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Just give it up. All'yall ruinin my holiday cheer. [[Image:Shogunshen_Holidaysig.jpg|20px]][[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Darkgreen"> '''Shen'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Shogunshen|<font color=#B22222>has</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Shogunshen|<font color=#B22222>cookies</font>]]</sup></small> 21:28, 22 December 2007 (EST)
Just give it up. All'yall ruinin my holiday cheer. [[Image:Shogunshen_Holidaysig.jpg|20px]][[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Darkgreen"> '''Shen'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Shogunshen|<font color=#B22222>has</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Shogunshen|<font color=#B22222>cookies</font>]]</sup></small> 21:28, 22 December 2007 (EST)
:OH NOES! *sings jingly bells*--[[User:Shadowsin|<font color="#330000">'''S'''<font color="#330011">'''h'''<font color="#330022">'''a'''<font color="#330033">'''d'''<font color="#330044">'''o'''<font color="#330055">'''w'''<font color="#330066">'''s'''<font color="#330077">'''i'''<font color="#330088">'''n'''</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>]] 21:36, 22 December 2007 (EST)
:OH NOES! *sings jingly bells*--[[User:Shadowsin|<font color="#330000">'''S'''<font color="#330011">'''h'''<font color="#330022">'''a'''<font color="#330033">'''d'''<font color="#330044">'''o'''<font color="#330055">'''w'''<font color="#330066">'''s'''<font color="#330077">'''i'''<font color="#330088">'''n'''</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>]] 21:36, 22 December 2007 (EST)
Please don't put that damn llama on my page. Btw Bob, you don't have the right to mock someone for whining too much. And finally, +1 to Edru for citing an imaginary site policy (but please you guys, don't make me write a policy forcing you all to treat each other decently). - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] '''[[User:Krowman|<font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman</font>]] <small><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[PvXwiki:Administrators|sysop]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></small>''' 20:20, 23 December 2007 (EST)
== OK ==
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On this and this. --Edru viransu//QQ about me/sysop 02:41, 13 November 2007 (CET)

Just wondering

What is the icon in your sig actually? o.O -StarSeeker | My talk 19:12, 13 November 2007 (CET)

try clicking it Image-darkstone knight Sig.jpg DarkstoneKnight (T) 19:20, 13 November 2007 (CET)

you need another arcive, my wii is lagging like hell Image-darkstone knight Sig.jpg DarkstoneKnight (T) 19:20, 13 November 2007 (CET)

el oh el. -- 19:37, 13 November 2007 (CET)

If You Get a Chance

Get on MSN please. Thanks. Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG *Defiant Elements* +talk 22:15, 13 November 2007 (CET)

Tomorrow would be a better bet. I guess I'll talk to you then? (: - Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 07:11, 14 November 2007 (CET)
I'll be on from like 4-8pm EST. Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG *Defiant Elements* +talk 21:53, 14 November 2007 (CET)
Hey, was online for a while today, you were Away for the duration. If you catch me online, just start talking, or if you see me here, just post my talk page and I'll meet you online. - Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 06:46, 15 November 2007 (CET)
Away status != away. Away and Out To Lunch are his two favorite statuses. :P -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{sysop}} 07:46, 15 November 2007 (CET)

My Struck Out Comment on GvG Balanced

I know you struck my comment out based on me saying "Nothing new or interesting", but that was the comment for the Innovation rating(I should have been more specific). I believe "New and Interesting" fall under the innovation part of the rating, or are at least part of it. I tried the build with my guild 1Mind Gaming Society [Mind](Since it had a lot of skills that my mostly PvE guildmates actually had unlocked). It performed... average. I rated it as a 3 in effectiveness and universality based on that, and a 2 for innovation because there was nothing new or interesting(My other rating parts were not based on the "New or interesting" comment). I know you may not like the rating that was given, but I assure you that I was able to test it with my Guild, and that I rated it based on how it performed with my group, how I feel it performs, and what I take on it was. If you wanted the comment to be more in depth, I can just reword the comment to be more in line with this(I wasn't exactly thrilled about its performance, so I kept the comment short). However, I would like you to unstrike the rating based on your reason why you struck it out in the first place. Paragon City 17:15, 20 November 2007 (CET)

I moved the build into the Trial stage to be updated and reflective of the current (post-update) meta. As you probably know, we don't rate Trial builds, so until the build is updated and sent to testing, there shouldn't be any votes on it. - Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 06:58, 21 November 2007 (CET)

Ba Wimba Wop

Hey. I want to let you know I think the BM's policy's genius. Got my full support. Shogunshen Sig.jpg Shen(contribs) 21:48, 21 November 2007 (CET)

A few Questions

Being totally neutral, (if not a littel pissed at my wives account getting banned for no reason) i wish to ask a few questions:

1. Is explicit swearing allowed on Pvxwiki?

2. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so why are opinions "censored" in such a way on the ratings page?

3. Is petty arguing/off topic discussion allowed on discussion pages?

4. The copyright of everyones pages is reserved in your copyright page (as so it states). Where does this copyright spread to? surely if it is one persons build, they have the copyright of that builds discussion. Quote: All other content on this site is copyright by the respective authors, and is available under the Creative Commons [1] license, unless otherwise noted. All other information, art and images, are Copyright to their original creators. Therefore, does that mean the build and related pages are my copyright? or if anyone changes my build i have the right to sue them? this copyright notice needs to be attended to....

5. I, and my wife, want to be contributing members to this site. But unfortunately we have not felt very welcome so far. Your comment, yes, was better received by myself (ok, i am a bit worked-up still tho.) Is it possible to give newer members some lee-way or at least some notice to any breaches?

Regards Kylegarra 23:58, 21 November 2007 (CET)

Hey, I realize the question is directed at Krowman, but I'll try to answer some of your questions. First, as to swearing, it depends on the context. We have no actual rule on swearing; however, if, in the instance in question, the swears are being directed at a person or are so over the top as to prove disruptive to the Wiki, then an Admin might intervene. Two, we have a strict series of rules governing when votes may be censored. Those are: votes by a dummy account (i.e. Sockpuppet), votes which are blatantly false in that they demonstrate a lack of understanding of in game mechanics, votes by users with 0 contributions (since we can't check their IP if they have no edits), votes while builds are in Trial, votes which are no longer valid as a result of an update or shift in meta, etc. The complete list of reasons may be found on the Real Vetting page. Keep in mind however that when we delete a vote, we do so in order to improve the quality and integrity of the site, and only a very limited number of people are granted the authority to do so. Whereas, a comment on a discussion doesn't have an actual impact on the quality of the wiki as a build site, and, we certainly can't allow any random author to remove comments he dislikes. Three, comments in discussions need not be pertinent to the build at hand. Four, see PvXwiki:Article Ownership, anything submitted to the Wiki becomes the property of the Wiki (also note that by submitting, you give implicit consent to abide by our rules). Five, in most cases, we do give lee-way; however, you'll notice that according to PvXwiki:Disruption, accounts suspected of being dummy accounts (which is why your wife's account was banned, using the CheckUser function allowed me to see that you shared an IP with your wife, thus leading me to suspect sockpuppetry) may be banned without notice because they completely undermine the site's purpose. I apologize if there was a misunderstanding, but everything that has been done so far has been in keeping with policy. And, if you feel that people aren't giving you legitimate feedback on a build, well, it happens, and newer users About the copyin particular seem to take this more to heart. People are often blunt when it comes to builds, and it's something you learn to accept because in the end, they're just trying to maintain the site's quality. My suggestion would be to attempt to distance yourself somewhat (from an emotional standpoint) from your build, and take a look at the comments keeping in mind that the comments regarding the build are in no way personal attacks. Also, may I ask why your wife felt compelled to threaten me with a lawsuit (I've responded to her email by the way)? Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG *Defiant Elements* +talk 00:11, 22 November 2007 (CET)

My wife was quite annoyed being branded a "sockpuppet". Unknownst that is the actual name you call dummy accounts here, it is quite a harsh way of dealing with the situation. Maybe by posting in a persons user page to ask why or if their account is a dummy account would be a better approach to the whole thing. She will reply to your email in person no doubt (hopefully she may be calmer) About the copyright of the whole builds you should probably check copyrights NONE of the builds or content of this site belong to pvxwiki whatsoever. And yes, i understand about people being blunt with builds. But people being rude, swearing and down right argumentative is an issue that has to be looked at.

I have always read this site for a while, and thought it to be quite a good site. But now that i registered and TRIED to contribute, i have been faced with nothing but abuse and negativity. do i want to really continue with this site? Kylegarra 01:44, 22 November 2007 (CET)

You're confusing ownership and public domain. Yes, PvX does not own whatever you submit. However, this being a wiki, whatever you submit becomes part of the public domain, and that means we can do basically whatever we want with it. And this being a wiki, 'can do whatever we want with it' generally means improvement. Also, PvX is not a democracy, and for good reason. tbh, most GW players are pretty stupid, myself included. If this site was a democracy, we would be an outright mockery instead of just a joke like we are now. -- 01:51, 22 November 2007 (CET)
Okay, you're both wrong about ownership of edits. Copyrights on edits are retained by their authors, but by contributing, you license your contributions under CC BY-NC-SA, meaning they can be adapted and redistributed by anyone, so long as the license is not changed. --Edru viransu//QQ about me/sysop 01:54, 22 November 2007 (CET)
Yeah, copyrights always confuse me. Listen to Edru. -- 01:56, 22 November 2007 (CET)
unless it states public domain, then it is not. Read up on law a bit first. the exact statement "All other content on this site is copyright by the respective authors" basically states whatever i write is my own. At the end of the day, the copyright of this site needs to be looked into. My wife can write more about this if needed... Kylegarra 02:02, 22 November 2007 (CET)
Please, have at it. I'm going to vacate myself on the grounds that I don't care. -- 02:11, 22 November 2007 (CET)

All of your content, remember, is stored in its original form. Let's take the Build:R/D Dust Tank for example. If someone wanted to see your original contribution, they would go to the the history tab to view it. However, once your place someone onto the wiki, you release it under CC 2.5 which means anyone can edit the material you have posted. Remember, however, that the original contribution is owned by you but each and every other contribution is owned by each subsequent author and so on and so forth. Finally, by submitting it under the CC NA-SA 2.5 copyright, you understand that the content would be edited and that you have no control which direction it takes. Again, remember the bold print: If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it.
On the subject of the two of you have a hissyfit over us calling you sockpuppets, please keep in mind PvXwiki:Disruption#Sock_Puppets. It helps to know the definition of a word before getting angry over it. If you folks had in fact been reading the wiki for a long time, you'd know the problems we have sockpuppets rating builds and so on and so forth. Merely crawling through Gcard's archives and the admin noticeboards reveals many instances of people complaining about sockpuppets. The most recent complaint about sockpuppet was just 30 something hours ago. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ 02:47, 22 November 2007 (CET)

Ok, well, i tried to remain neutral, to some aggressive posts, tried to say what i saw, i know if you post then things may be edited, this is a wiki. All i said, was look at the copyright page, it needs updating and is totally contradictorary. As it is, people here seem not to be that friendly. I've only heard a friendly word off 1 or 2 or you. That being so, i will not bother no more. i will simply lurk and not contribute. Too many politics and too many arseholes. Goodnight Kylegarra 03:17, 22 November 2007 (CET)

To cut to the chase:

  1. Swear if you want. If you offend someone, be courteous and apologize. That's that.
  2. Striking out a vote still allows it to be read, this isn't the same as wiping a user's non-harmful posts from any page. Discussion pages are for conversations, and erasing a user's input defeats the purpose of the page. Likewise, a ratings page is used to represent the build's quality, and not removing bad ratings defeats the purpose of that page.
  3. Yeah.
  4. That license you cite, and that we use, permits people to 're-mix' (to quote the human-readable summary (what does that make me for reading the full legal version?)) the work. Basically, anything posted is free to be edited by anyone, not just the original poster.
  5. I'll unblock your old lady.
  6. Bring me any questions you or your wife have, if either of you are to contribute in the future. - Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 07:19, 22 November 2007 (CET)
The Drama Llama is not impressed >:ODrama Llama.jpg--Shadowsin 14:40, 4 December 2007 (CET)

Build:P/R Burning Barrager

Hey! Can you please look on the vote of Davadudee? I don't understand what is he talking about - dazed is a problem for a paragon? Monk spread? Am I a noob or him? If he is, please remove his vote. If I am, please explain what he wrote! :) Thanks! And a question: why wasn't the build appeared in the tested farming builds category? It has been wetted 3 days ago. Has it so long delay time? Voidwalker 22:05, 27 November 2007 (CET)

It does not appear in the farming category because it is not categorized into it; it is only tagged for General PvE. Add "|farming}}" to the end of your 'Good-Build' template at the top of the page to place it in that category. As to the rating, see the build's ratings page. Don't get too excited though, because I gave the build a rating myself that is less generous than Davadudee's. - Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 00:01, 28 November 2007 (CET)
Thanks for removing that vote. A question: did you tried the build? Isn't this all about? You see a build on the wiki, you try it, then you rate it. Or am I crazy because I do so? 9 votes so far on my build, 5 arrived the same day I moved the build to the tested category. I'm sure they didn't tried it. If they do, I won't be angry - the build would be crap. Is this all about here? Vote at first sight? Voidwalker 18:35, 28 November 2007 (CET)
Actually, 'voting at first sight' is acceptable here, for a number of reasons. One, it is too difficult to enforce a mandatory trial of any build. What would we use as proof? Screenshots, videos? It would be very time-consuming, and draining on the wiki servers to have to upload a screenshot that corresponds with every rating. Along those lines, what would you take a picture of? The numbers that pop up every time one heals or does damage? The loot gained from a farming run? Second reason is that many users can identify a good build just by looking at it. If someone posts a meta build, many users will recognize it and be fully capable of rating it without going through whatever process we would have established to enforce mandatory testing. If the votes are unreasonable, they can be brought to an admin's attention and removed. Lastly, it would be easy to fake a screenshot of anyone using a build, so enforcing a system that is easily circumvented is unwise from an administrative standpoint. - Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 20:46, 28 November 2007 (CET)
No comment. I didn't wrote anything about proving, I wrote that nobody is a master. Voidwalker 23:34, 29 November 2007 (CET)
Not in the posts above you didn't. What do you mean about 'master?' - Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 03:01, 30 November 2007 (CET)
I think that nobody is so pro that he can identify a good build without trying it. Not even you (and not me, i admit). You cannot be sure that the build is good, but you give 5-5-5 on it... or the opposite. What i say is that if you do not know anything about the capabilities of the build, do not rate it. This would be more intelligent than the - e.g. -"bah, this looks bad, i think this s*cks, 0-0-0". But maybe an admin knows this. Voidwalker 00:17, 03 December 2007 (CET)
People that are good at game can. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{sysop}} 07:17, 3 December 2007 (CET)
Can't be bothered testing every build I vote on. –Ichigo724Ichigo-signature.jpg 09:01, 30 November 2007 (CET)
Nice! I thought that the pvxwiki is for players who want good builds. And learning from other's experiences. What experience is behind your vote, dude? Voidwalker 00:20, 03 December 2007 (CET)
I vote without trial. ups, guess I'm bad. 00:37, 3 December 2007 (CET)
Not sucking is behind my votes. –Ichigo724Ichigo-signature.jpg 17:07, 3 December 2007 (CET)
It doesnt require a whole lot of skill to rate a build without testing it. The funny thing about computers and machines is, everything does what it says it's going to do. So you look at atts, skills, etc. and you can pretty much judge a build. It's not like judging an athlete or student, where a weak or dumb looking person can suprise you. Weak skills with weak synergy are, well, weak.Bob fregman 02:35, 4 December 2007 (CET)


Does not mean quite fucking true. - Rawrawr 19:57, 4 December 2007 (CET)

QFT. - Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 21:49, 4 December 2007 (CET)
Ok, from now on, whenever I see anyone using that, I'm going to assume they mean 'quantum field theory' :P --Wizardboy777 Sig.jpgWizardboy777(T/C/Sysop) 03:13, 5 December 2007 (CET)
Lol. - Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 03:14, 5 December 2007 (CET)
Nah, QFT means "quit fucking talking" imo. -Auron 03:20, 5 December 2007 (CET)

So yeah

Just wanted to let you know, most of the time, when I get really mad at someone, I just mess with them a bit, then let 'em go. I might have a bit more fun with this guy, just since he seems to get off on annoying me, but no worries. I won't do any harm. I'm a good guy, at heart. Cedave bad.png cedave (contributions_buildpage) 06:56, 7 December 2007 (CET)

i'm sorry i must be doing something wrong..

look, i really believe that the thumper is a terrible build - please tell me what i did wrong. Brian 07:42, 7 December 2007 (CET)

so, like - i'm not trying to piss anyone off here (really), but apparently i've gona about this the wrong way. can i try to rate builds again? i'll give the thumper maybe 1s and a 2 for innovation? ugh... let me go look at the "how to rate" section... Brian 07:47, 7 December 2007 (CET)

ok, i read the section. i'm honestly sorry. i got the wrong idea about what the numbers meant. -- i thought a 2 - 3 would be average. apparently average would be about 4 and you can't score a build that is frequently used less than a three. again, i sincerely apologize and will wait to rate builds until i get your response. Brian 07:49, 7 December 2007 (CET)

Tbh scoring an already great build with less than a 4 is pretty ill informed and unadvised, and thumpers rox thanks, just wait till one kills you. ;D--Shadowsin 08:24, 7 December 2007 (CET)
LOL - the never do........ lol... Brian 08:45, 7 December 2007 (CET)
i was gonna vote it with maybe 3 threes. or something honestly. can't really give it less than that according to the vetting guideline / rules ... whatever. Brian 08:46, 7 December 2007 (CET)
really! thumpers cause absolutely NO problems for any of the builds i use - haha. Brian 08:47, 7 December 2007 (CET)
Then your not a caster, thumpers cause serious problems with their high damage with constant IAS and IMS with a pet, with KD+Daze.--ViYsig5.jpgVictoryisyours (talk/pvxcontribs) 12:51, 7 December 2007 (CET)
With the most recent, it wouldn't be too out of place to score them with 3's and 4's. They no longer have that constant IMS and IAS with as many KD's and such. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ 14:09, 7 December 2007 (CET)
RaO bunny thumper still has constant IaS i dunno about the kd's though.--Shadowsin 14:25, 7 December 2007 (CET)
They nerfed EW. Now, you can't keep RaO up all the time. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ 17:24, 7 December 2007 (CET)

I AM a caster- and thumpers have not caused me problems SINCE their creation. The only plus is that they are harder to kill (don't really know why) than a normal ranger it seems, and their pet stays alive. Brian 07:03, 8 December 2007 (CET)

Thumpers overwhelm, they may not outright kill you. It is very difficult to overcome the IAS KDs, DWs, Dazed, and pet attacks while they have IMS as well. No need to apologize to me, I haven't taken any offence to anything yet. Feel free to rate builds some more, but try to be more reasonable than rating such well-known and effective builds with flat zero ratings. Thanks in advance. - Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 08:17, 8 December 2007 (CET)

Ratings wipe request

Hi could you wipe most of the votes from Build:A/E AoD Shock Sin please, except prehaps Zuranthium's. I re-did the thing. — Skuld 09:25, 7 December 2007 (CET)

Already done. - Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 08:18, 8 December 2007 (CET)

Just wanting to say...

Sorry bout a while ago with the RaO spear shit. I was being a retard to you at the time. Image-Dark Morphon's Siggie.jpgDark Morphon(contribs) 19:00, 11 December 2007 (CET)

No problem mate, I appreciate the apology. Cheers! - Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 19:15, 11 December 2007 (CET)

Free rice


For 1000 grains, i'm gewd :p — Skuld 20:39, 11 December 2007 (CET)

Uh... What? Image-Dark Morphon's Siggie.jpgDark Morphon(contribs) 11:35, 17 December 2007 (CET)
http://freerice.comUber sig pic 1.JPG Teh Uber Pwnzer 11:48, 17 December 2007 (CET)


720 grains. HARRRR! :> -- 12:06, 17 December 2007 (CET)

Proof that I have no life: (Vocab Level: 46. Best Level: 46. Grains of Rice: 22,340.) At least I helped to end world hunger. --Rollerzerris.jpg <!--Zerris--> 08:01, 19 December 2007 (CET)

Sorta sad, since I can get to level 45 in just 440 grains. I think it gets exponentially harder. --Rollerzerris.jpg <!--Zerris--> 08:18, 19 December 2007 (CET)
I topped out at 46 about 4k grains in. ):
Yeah, it does, and the level advancement/loss proportion doesn't help either. -- 08:41, 19 December 2007 (CET)
Made it to 47 in 1,400 grains. --Rollerzerris.jpg <!--Zerris--> 16:20, 20 December 2007 (EST)
And 48 in 1,680 grains. --Rollerzerris.jpg <!--Zerris--> 17:12, 20 December 2007 (EST)
Yeah, well... your mother. D:< --
My mother says this. --Rollerzerris.jpg <!--Zerris--> 22:13, 20 December 2007 (EST)


Do you still play GW? I tried adding your name to my friendlist but it said it didn't exist... Image-Dark Morphon's Siggie.jpgDark Morphon(contribs) 14:34, 17 December 2007 (CET)


Politely requesting an un-removal of Arse Biter's vote on Build:E/A Incendiary Spiker due to the fact that he has now made contributions. --Rollerzerris.jpg <!--Zerris--> 05:37, 19 December 2007 (CET)

I got it. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 21:38, 19 December 2007 (EST)

removal of vote

My vote was removed because of a difference of opinions on crippling shot. If you could please check it out for me.Talyyn Silent Wind 03:02, 20 December 2007 (EST)

removal of vote

this person(-- told me I need to talk to all of the admins to get my vote removed from the removal votes. I voted for cripshot build under ranger. I casted a valid vote, and my vote was removed based on somone elses opinion and they said it was not valid. I would apreciate it if it was looked at and voted on. Thank you.Talyyn Silent Wind 16:25, 20 December 2007 (EST)

Yeah sure, I'll review and post in a minute. - Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 01:51, 22 December 2007 (EST)
Basically, Grinch removed it because you say it works great and don't give it a great rating. Cripshots do work nicely in AB; often you can find someone running around by themselves. That means you can snare them and avoid them, or you can dance around them and degen them to death. Snares are great for capping, because they allow you to control the movement of your foes who would try to prevent you from capping any point. Also, the reasoning behind your innovation score is falsely based. Innovation is used to score how useful the idea behind the build is, not necessarily how similar it is to other builds. In fact, the Cripshot merits a 5 in Innovation, because it is the prototype for all other classes of Ranger builds (such as BA and others made viable in NF), and because it is very meta. You can read up on the criteria at PW:VETTING. That goes a little deeper than Grinch's explanation, but I want to prevent any problems that might arise from this in the future. Cheers. - Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 01:58, 22 December 2007 (EST)


Need perma IP ban Imo.--Shadowsin 02:20, 22 December 2007 (EST)

He has shown that he will not contribute to the wiki, and he has harrased its contributors. I don't see what there is to discuss. Tycn 02:28, 22 December 2007 (EST)

HE's A WITCH BURN HIM! uups sorry, couldnt resist.--Shadowsin 02:29, 22 December 2007 (EST)

That's not true. See his contributions [1] here, before his first block and much of the harassment. He feels that he has been unfairly singled out for this treatment, and when he asked and warned users against continuing, they ignored him. If he returns as a vandal, I stated that the ban will be replaced. If acts civilly (as I expect he should, in the absence of that kind of treatment), then we shouldn't see this situation escalate any further. - Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 02:39, 22 December 2007 (EST)

Bob fregman

I know he isn't really violating any rules/policies, but I'm sick of being mocked constantly. He keeps practically going on my Talk page and mocking me because I had a stupid report of NPA on Shen. See here, here, and here. I've already warned him about my "intolerance" of whining, but still, I want someone with more of a say to tell him to knock it off. --GoD Holiday Sig 2.jpgGuildofMoses 08:14, 22 December 2007 (EST)

DON'T MAKE ME SICK MY LLAMA ON JOO BOTH! oh wait, i already did >:O srsly, what is REALLY the problem? do you both wub each other? xD. --Shadowsin 13:23, 22 December 2007 (EST)
Instead of complaining about being mocked you could "GASP" stop doing what you're being mocked for(no way bbqhaxbsqtf).Bob fregman 15:29, 22 December 2007 (EST)
I have stopped... For a while now. I still think that mocking someone is inappropriate. I wouldn't report you for NPA because you technically didn't break any rules, but it's still annoying having you keep mocking me constantly. --GoD Holiday Sig 2.jpgGuildofMoses 15:31, 22 December 2007 (EST)
Since I don't really have the time (well, the will to spend the time) to research all the details of this, I'll just say, all of you, if you're being obnoxious, stop. Remember the great unwritten policy that is PvXwiki:Don't be a dick. --Edru viransu//QQ about me/sysop 16:11, 22 December 2007 (EST)
I find it hard to beleive you've stopped whining since this is, imo, whining.Bob fregman 19:06, 22 December 2007 (EST)
Bob, you aren't helping. If guild feels he's being mocked, he has a right to have us look into the situation and deal with it appropriately. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 19:19, 22 December 2007 (EST)
Yeah, i know, forgive me if i ever suggested anything to the contrary. Likewise however, if i feel he whines too much, i have the right to mock him about it, so long as it doesn't violate NPA, until a policy is enacted that indicates otherwise.Bob fregman 20:29, 22 December 2007 (EST)
Or, until we ban you for violation of that great unwritten policy that I'm mentioning a lot lately(this one). I'm not saying that you are violating it(I haven't been paying nearly enough attention to this conflict to be able to ascertain that at the moment), but that attitude seems like one that might lead to violation of it. --Edru viransu//QQ about me/sysop 20:34, 22 December 2007 (EST)
well for one, im relativly certain that my actions would not be a violation of that policy, since they are mostly harmless comments that an overly sensitive user is taking a tad too hard. In addition, are you really allowed to ban people for violating a fake policy?Bob fregman 21:09, 22 December 2007 (EST)
Have you never noticed people getting banned for (as Armond phrases it) "general asshattery"? --Edru viransu//QQ about me/sysop 21:16, 22 December 2007 (EST)
Bob is a cynic and guild has thin skin, both are lazer targets for teh drama llama.--Shadowsin 21:26, 22 December 2007 (EST)

Just give it up. All'yall ruinin my holiday cheer. Shogunshen Holidaysig.jpg Shen has cookies 21:28, 22 December 2007 (EST)

OH NOES! *sings jingly bells*--Shadowsin 21:36, 22 December 2007 (EST)

Please don't put that damn llama on my page. Btw Bob, you don't have the right to mock someone for whining too much. And finally, +1 to Edru for citing an imaginary site policy (but please you guys, don't make me write a policy forcing you all to treat each other decently). - Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 20:20, 23 December 2007 (EST)


Thanks for the explanation...Talyyn Silent Wind 11:55, 22 December 2007 (EST)

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