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I think Racism and discrimination are not welcome there... [1] Even if those are jokes, they're clearly unaccteptable just by the way they are done. Furthermore, they completely ignored the claims of stopping. Please, remove this userpage... 16:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

shut the fuck up you dumb nigger
lol? -Auron 03:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
protip: call your ISP and cancel your internet subscription. ··· Danny Does Drugs 15:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm late, but...racism!?!? where??? ~ Big Big sadface sig.PNG sysop 23:20, September 8, 2009 (UTC)


I know it is okay to delete content if it has no purpose like "first". I was wondering if users forget to sign there contributions would that be acceptable in deleting there comments?Xtreme Hunter.png 16:10, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Only if their comments have no purpose. Otherwise, just add an unsigned tag to it and get over it. KJ badge sig.png 16:22, 20 July 2009
What he said. If the comment has content, even if you disagree with it, it needs to stay. -Auron 21:39, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Already taken care of. Sorry to drag you here for that. KJ badge sig.png 21:41, 20 July 2009
TY I was only asking cause of the above comment. We know who did it and it was totally not necessary. Thanks AURON for clearing that up.Xtreme Hunter.png 11:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


File:Auron irl (cute motherfucker + Facebook ling gogo).jpg KJ badge sig.png 19:26, 3 August 2009

Jethro Tull? Really? And the Eragon series as some of your favorite books? I know it was a long time ago, but damn man..... KJ badge sig.png 19:43, 3 August 2009
Eragon? They're ok, but I much prefer shannara. My main problem with eragon is the huge bias that is evident throughout the whole series. The elves are portrayed as the superior race, but they're atheist vegetarians and mock those who feel otherwise (dwarves' religion, the main character's meat preference). The series is ok if I try my best to ignore that, but I generally can't.
And yes, I'm a huge tull fan. -Auron 01:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
The first Eragon book was by far the best of the lot. I really wanted to like the series, but the sword thing in book three just made me feel like it had jumped the shark. :/ -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 05:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Dude, his sword randomly catches on fire. That's so PRO. The heart fo hearts thing was gay though. Life Guardian 05:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
He just so happened to monkey-typewriter the exact name for the damn thing? Yeah, right. Paolini even admitted that wasn't actually in his plan - it was just "something cool" his brother or father suggested. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 05:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Nah, the stupid part with true names was with sloan. No way he couldve figured that out. Any idea when the fourth one is coming out/what it's called? Life Guardian 05:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Kay so, I need to know. Favourite Tull song? Mine would have to be Cross-eyed Mary, followed closely by Heavy Horses. >.> Ben Tbh 09:04, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
My God, although I always enjoy Budapest from time to time. Heavy Horses is nice, I liked that era - some of the live versions with Eddie Jobson are excellent. -Auron 10:24, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Dear Auron God

I'm not disputing that it was a terrible build but can you really just do this. The rest of us will have to deal with the angry autist that made it AthrunAthrun Sig.gifFeya 12:36, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Lol. It was make by Ricky. You won't have any problems. Misery Cow.pngMisery Says Moo 13:09, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, still an abuse of power though. Guess I'll tag the talk page for deletion... EDIT: ah you did it already. AthrunAthrun Sig.gifFeya 13:18, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
I think it lies under the "Furst" law--X 13:45, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
Admin Abuse, good joke --Frosty Mc Admin 15:39, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
Honestly, that happens with builds all the time. If you like you can consider it a WELL tag. Misery Cow.pngMisery Says Moo 15:57, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
What was wrong with actually using a WELL tag then? AthrunAthrun Sig.gifFeya 16:00, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
He did and instantly deleted it so fast you never saw it. Misery Cow.pngMisery Says Moo 16:04, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
Just because i'm female doesn't mean i'm stupid enough to believe that. He could have at least done something useful, like perma lukejohnson. AthrunAthrun Sig.gifFeya 16:28, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
No one listens to luke anyways...--Relyk 16:32, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
Funny, Thunda asks me to do that every day. ~ Big Big sadface sig.PNG sysop 17:01, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
Funny you mention that, because whether or not he actually did that is exactly the same as the fact you are a female. It doesn't matter. Misery Cow.pngMisery Says Moo 17:05, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
What happend to moving it to user space? It's like being a female...dosen't matter--X 17:09, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
I am still convinced you are mentally handicapped. ~ Big Big sadface sig.PNG sysop 17:12, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
Am sorry to dissapoint you. I have stayed off your user space.--X 17:14, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
I think you're going to have to stay off wiki then--Relyk 17:26, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
K--X 17:28, September 8, 2009 (UTC)


Ricky you are like a month late you silly euro. ··· Danny Pew Pew 21:34, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
plus you're wrong cutie, it wasn't my build at all and it was pretty terrible. I just wondered since normal deletions give grace periods or at least warnings. - AthrunFeya Athrun snow sig.gif 21:36, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
Ricksawsmface.PNG RickyRicksawsmface.PNGvantof 21:38, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
How dare you imply that I implied that that marvelous piece of magnificence was yours? IT WAS MINE GODDAMN IT!
Lol, Ricky on PvX. Hai. Misery Cow.pngMisery Says Moo 21:54, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

go rage at anet for being stupid. bonus points for calling her "reggie." -Auron 16:57, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

i liked foes/grasping on a hench. Gringo 17:00, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
if you like auron-rants, top of page 17 has a good one :p -Auron 17:06, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
I enjoyed reading through that post, I really can't believe how badly they got all of this wrong. I felt they should have stuck to 20 bars (1 for HA 1 for GvG) and just made them hero friendly but not amazingly good (so, maybe SF Ele in HA since Henchies follow targets, things along those lines). The fact they have Song/Haste and Grasping/Foes on some of the bars really tells you they have no idea what they are doing. --Frosty Mc Admin 17:53, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
I find it funny that they managed to find bars that most players in RA can't properly run, and decided to throw them onto heroes. And on top of that, they've managed to break the game over and over while simultaneously thinking they'll satisfy the (rapidly shrinking) community of players whom are pretty much fed up over the ridiculous skill updates. I'm glad I don't have a Guru account. I'd tear her an ass too. Good going Auron, I lol'd irl. ~ Big Big sadface sig.PNG sysop 18:00, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
new asshole^^ I just woke up. ~ Big Big sadface sig.PNG sysop 18:09, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
[2]. Even under the cc-by-nc-sa license you could actually do that. Claim attribution :p --- VipermagiSig.JPG -- (contribs) (talk) 18:52, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Ohshit can I get monies? Everyone knows I was the first person to use Lingering Curse + Snares in HA amirite? --Frosty Mc Admin 18:56, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Also tbh, a lot of all the builds that were chosen have a link on PvX, rally every Author and protest! --Frosty Mc Admin 18:57, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like fun to me. --- VipermagiSig.JPG -- (contribs) (talk) 19:03, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
1 what i said there. — μαφλεσ 23:25, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
those bars are pretty ridiculous for henchman. id agree with maf that the costume brawl builds would work much better... on another note, anet just made 20 people ungodly rich--Relyk 01:52, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
40 --Frosty Mc Admin 02:00, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
They won't be nearly as rich as the people who win the MKG minis this Halloween. ··· Danny Pew Pew 20:10, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Hey, um, just out of curiosity....under our license...couldn't PvX claim that all of the builds that won were, in fact, licensed here....and disqualified or something? I mean, I don't know much about copyright laws, but using copied intellectual property of a site for personal gain is against license, right? Oh, and apparently Anet is going to have the participants sign an agreement saying that they thought up the builds....wouldn't that know...against the law? Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 14:08, 4 October 2009

Seeing as how we only "document what's being ran", I don't know how far we'd get with that. ---Mezzy- (talk) -- 14:10, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
I'm not expecting us to. I just want to fuck with Anet. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 14:13, 4 October 2009
Attitude <3 ---Mezzy- (talk) -- 14:19, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
yarr, pretty sure we would have to go after the authors after they sign their little scrap of paper saying their builds were original. we could go after them as a collective. it would make for lulzy headlines in the news. mysterious shadow organization sues random people. — μαφλεσ 17:09, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

broken page

The page exists, but the talk page says it is either deleted or there is a bug int he software GW-Myth 23:20, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Should be better nao. — Balistic 01:16, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
thanks! GW-Myth 01:58, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
Editing talk still says "You are editing an old version of this page. If you save it, any changes made since this version will be lost." for me. It shows up on a few pages too (don't remember which ones). I just ignore it though. Zyke-Sig.png 02:03, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
I don't know what causes the "editing old version" thing, I've seen it on a few talk pages so far. I had poke look at it once and he said it was something on wikia's end. -Auron 07:14, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
You can actually go to the discordway talk page now, but the edit buttons on each subsection aren't appearing. Life Guardian 07:22, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
Huh. They are for me though. Zyke-Sig.png 08:05, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
I don't know what's causing it, but i do know it's fixed by deleteing the page and restoring it, so if you see any other pages like that, jsut drop a note on the AN. ~ PheNaxKian talk 19:14, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


my bm is 17-1 and i have the entire heterosexual BM and male admin staff SOME IMPORTANT PEOPLE. can you please meander on over to it and take a gander. Gringo 15:38, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

technically you dont, if i were to vote i'd vote against, just because. - AthrunFeya Athrun snow sig.gif 18:31, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
I only /support because Saint is so bad at Guild Wars that the resulting conflicts will certainly satisfy my incessant need for drama. ··· Danny Pew Pew 18:49, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
I'm also a male admin and haven't even voted, flawed logic :/. ~ PheNaxKian talk 19:13, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
gah phen i thought you were gone, youve spoiled the entire plan now. fix'd again for you :( Gringo 19:21, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

doesn't it usually help when bms play guild wars saint?--TahiriVeila 20:23, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

actually, no it doesn't. however, it does help if you're not mentally handicapped, and we all know saint isn't allowed out without his helmet. (lolMSN). ··· Danny Pew Pew 21:58, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

I promoted you once. You have done nothing to convince me that you won't ragequit again - and in fact, your answers (along with everyone else's) sort of hint that you will. I am not going to promote you. You'll have to convince DE that you won't ragequit again, because you've done a poor job of convincing me. -Auron 23:58, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

i've never said i wont ragequit again. i said while i was here i would help. every BM leaves eventually. Gringo 00:42, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
That convincing thing Auron talked about - you are bad at it. ··· Danny Pew Pew 21:00, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
everyone leaves sometime. hes just being a dirty nigger over a personal issue. omfg ban me i cursed. Gringo 21:02, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
lol. ··· Danny Pew Pew 21:47, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
if you feel that strongly that you should be promoted you could talk to wizardboy or DE, our other resident BCrats (in that order can I mention, as DE hasn't touched this site in a long time). ~ PheNaxKian talk 22:44, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
DE got on to randomly promote Lau, and I'm fairly certain nobody bothered to contact him, even. Either he happened to stop by at an opportune moment then, or he just doesn't see a reason to promote Saint. I certainly don't know either way. ··· Danny Pew Pew 22:47, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
(EC)the thing is though, they would have to sift through tons of my contributions. and they don't know if im good or not, because theyve been away from GW for so long they don't know mind blast from ether prism. auron refuses to promote me on a personal level. saying "you might leave" is like saying "you might die". its going to happen eventually, sooner for some then others. this is why frosty need bcratship. i brought it to DE and he brushed it off the table. Gringo 22:49, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
Wiz still plays GW on the rare occasion, and he certainly did play often up until Aion was released. There's probably a reason DE brushed it off the table, and there's probably a similar reason that Frosty hasn't gotten a BCrat badge yet. ··· Danny Pew Pew 22:58, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
i meant that i took frosty bcrat to DE and he brushed it off the table, i havent mentioned my BM to him. Gringo 02:58, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

In Saints defense, Auron, you were the one to unBM Skakid when he got permanently banned, and you also were the one to promote him again after his ban was erased. Now I'm asking you; Would you rather have someone a BM who has willingly stopped contributing here, or one who has unwillingly stopped contributing because he got banned? Brandnew 23:13, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

wrc?--TahiriVeila 00:20, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

If someone is looking to see that the promotion isn't going to be a waste of time, the last thing you would say is "yeah i'm gonna leave lol." Just saying. And Gringo, stop being a martyr - if I had something personal against you I wouldn't have promoted you last time. -Auron 01:44, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
how is it possibly a waste of time auron? it takes you 2 seconds to promote me. even if i left after only 1 vote removal or vote after that, it would have been worth your 2 seconds. everyone BM will leave, even if they say they wont (every single one has left thus far, including our active ones). Gringo 02:58, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Hey all. Long time no see. So. With regard to making Frosty a bureaucrat. I personally don't see the need to promote a new bureaucrat as being terribly pressing, so I've not yet communicated with either Auron or Wizardboy. (It doesn't help that I use IRC much less these days and that I hardly ever use MSN anymore.) And frankly, if I was looking to promote a new bureaucrat, my first inclination would be Misery, not Frosty. With regard to the RfBM being discussed on this page, I've yet to see anything even remotely resembling a compelling case being presented in favor of promotion--in spite of the seemingly overwhelming numerical support you've got, most of your supporters seem ambivalent at best--and I don't feel particularly inclined to trust your decision-making abilities from what little I personally have seen from you. Oh, and just for the record, I do still check my watchlist once a week or so. Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG *Defiant Elements* +talk 03:21, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

With no offense to you, i would appreciate it if you would look through my contribs. Almost all of my edits are in buildspace, and its not just sheer number of edits, its quality. And i have titles/references to back it up. Im here willing to help, and there are a handful people left on the site that are remotely good, and i would say only Crow would be better then me. Gringo 03:37, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
It amuses me to no end that Goldenstar got repromoted, and Saint didn't, even though both of them ragequit not long after they got promoted the first time. Lightningbolt sig.jpguɐɟɐʞıd o^_^o¸«` 09:44, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
Jake got repromoted because he was TahiriVeila, tho I'm unsure if he ragequitted there in between. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 11:50, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
I was BM for ~a year before i ragequit (and i ragequit gws not pvx, b/c ps meta + teashit had me pissed). Came back about 2 months later and DE/Auron wouldn't repromote me. Was sick of dealing with all the bullshit people gave me for my reputation, so i had phen perma my main and made a new acc (I think i told DE/Auron at the time but i can't remember). Anyway, cool story bro!--TahiriVeila 14:13, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
^ Everyone who mattered knew that Tahiri = Goldenstar. ··· Danny Pew Pew 20:23, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
if thats true then the whole "you might ragequit again" is kind of a bad excuse. and jake, i quit gw as well when i left the site fyi. Gringo 21:42, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
You got promoted. You left after a week. Aside from touting a myriad of euro guilds I personally, have never heard of, there is no validity to your claim of guild wars excellence (not even crow will say you are good). For god's sake half the votes supporting your promotion include the word "rage". 2/3 of the votes against you, are actual build masters. You are an unreliable, unqualified, self-serving elitist. Common sense dictates that you do not deserve promotion. --Readem 22:46, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
thats clever how you used statistics bro. when i only have like 3 opposes (one from a pve bm, one from a washed up TA player, and one from a prior supporter), things like "2/3" have much less of an impact. Gringo 23:19, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
and that doesnt change the fact that most of your "supports" are variations of "whatever, who cares". - AthrunFeya Athrun snow sig.gif 23:51, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
My support isn't "whatever who cares," it is "lol saint is bad." That said, no one with any skill posts on PvX (besides Crow), so ups. ··· Danny Pew Pew 18:11, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
Mattering on PvX means you're pro circlejerk. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 10:29, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

hi ben --Readem 03:31, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Sup? Ben..Squint 20:34, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
Not you. DE--TahiriVeila 20:35, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

@Gringo: I took the liberty of reviewing a sample of your contributions to the Build (talk) namespace. Frankly, I was not sufficiently impressed by them to change my opinion. Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG *Defiant Elements* +talk 23:47, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

You aren't impressed by me fixing/posting builds like this and this? Or was it places where i used reasons to explain why builds were bad/inferior like here and here? Or maybe it was when i explained how to improve builds like here and here. I had a build master harrass me places like here, here, and here, where if my vote didn't match the BM's then it was automatically removed, reasoning or not. I then took action to allow my votes to go through (by posting on the AN and asking admins on MSN to check it out, but they responded by saying "I'm Switzerland in this affair"), and people took my resulting actions as an e-peen war with Tahiri Veila. I know it's a lot of links, but it just seems silly that Jake's harassment and then subsequent move to oppose lost me BM. In before tl;dr and cool story bro. Gringo 00:27, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
he has a good point....btw links rule--X 00:30, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Ignoring the fact that the mo/r bar is inferior to boonprot and hardly anyone runs pnh since its nerf (and more importantly patients nerf) and the fact that he took ridiculously bad positions on the builds and started ragewars with me to satisfy his drama craving, c saint is v good player who deserves BM! :< --TahiriVeila 00:38, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

While you are correct in asserting that some of those links you provided have merit (a few comments in particular demonstrate that you may indeed have an IQ that exceeds room temperature), I'm not exactly inclined to think any differently of you when the links that you, yourself, present as evidence are rife with comments like:

was never meta, its bad
no one would ever, ever run this in gvg, its horrible
ill rephrase. no one would ever ever run this ever.
because all you retards keeping saying OMG LINEBACK SO EURO WOO LINEBACK LINEBACK
there is no appeal, readem claims its good, even though no one has or ever will run it because it sucks. and jake is just riding his dick

Maybe this is the type of stuff that passes as legitimate discourse around here these days, but I can't say I'm terribly impressed by it. Simply put though, your RFBM failed because not a single person felt compelled to provide a legitimate support vote that wasn't totally ambivalent. Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG *Defiant Elements* +talk 00:55, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

like misery's? and yes, its our job to post the best builds, the ones that are meta, so when i say that something is not meta and never will be, its for good reason. you took most of those comments out of context, because on those pages i provided legitimate reasons for why something is bad, rather then just saying its bad and then leaving. Gringo 01:17, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Build Masters are now required to sanction builds that aren't used by players, or non-meta builds. They are also required to carebear like admins do. PvX is such a high quality site dedicated to shield users who post bad unique and revolutionary builds. I am so impressed. 08:46, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
actually, it's more that gringo sucks and we aren't going to promote him because of it. we also dropped numerous hints that even pretending like he was going to stick around would help his case and he never caught on. so... -Auron 10:07, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
auron, i never said i was going ot leave after a week, i said i was going to leave eventually. i woulnd't have asked to be BM this time around if i wasn't going to stay for at least a while, you just got so caught up in the fact that i would eventually leave that you wouldn't promote me. everyone leaves eventually was the point i was stressing, so that shouldn't really be taken into account when judging a BM (and i couldn't have gotten frosty/misery if i hadn't promised them that i would stay for a while this time).Gringo 16:44, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
I think you should read this, Saint. ··· Danny Pew Pew 19:58, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
it wasn't really an issue of elitism (i only scanned the article, sorry if i missed the gist), it was the frosty refused to get involved and misery was too lazy, and no other admin helped when i posted on the AN. if they won't do their jobs then why am i getting all the backfire for pissing right back at jake when he wouldn't let me vote? Gringo 20:16, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Do you play I again? Because I believe I obs'ed you in a halls match the other day.

If so, could you tell me why the hell you tried bulls'ing ghostly at least twice while he was on altar?  Thomas So Dutch  20:11, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

while the level of skill sounds about right, you probably obsd Auron Bladehand, who is a different person. Gringo 20:22, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
It was Auron Bladehand, yes.  Thomas So Dutch  20:25, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
I don't play warrior. -Auron 00:08, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
Auron strong elementalist. ··· Danny Pew Pew 00:41, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
I thought he was a strong poro? Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 00:43, 17 November 2009
You must not know what "poro" means. :< ··· Danny Pew Pew 00:46, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
Tbh, half the shit said on PvX I don't understand. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 00:48, 17 November 2009
A poro = reindeer, used of Finn's and obv. any reindeer. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 07:59, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
I saw that Auron fella too, but I assumed it's not him. You can always add both Deadly Arts Paragon + whoever Auron you see, and if they're they same account, you can knowwww. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 07:59, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
iirc, Auron (this Auron obv.) doesn't play Guild Wars anymore. He's missing out on balanced, fun, family-oriented game-play, though! Mcbig.png sysop 09:44, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Question 2

I have noticed how one gets BM or admin status but how dose one lose it?----X 01:06, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Technically it can be taken away from bad behavior, but generally you ask for it to be taken away when you leave the site. People like Tab and Ska still have theirs thats why i mentioned that technically it can be taken away, it just won't. Gringo 02:17, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
PvXwiki:Evaluating Administrators. Basically, it's completely up to the bcrats; however, regular users are allowed to contact a bcrat through email (or more likely MSN) to bring problems to their attention. But if my memory serves me right, I don't think any sysop has ever been demoted....some have retired, but I can't remember anyone being forcibly removed. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 02:46, 18 November 2009
Readem and grinsh were both removed, iirc. -Auron 08:44, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


Is not ancient.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳShadowsin sig.PNG 02:59, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

stop trolling

stop trolling and lrn2admn kthxbai.jboy157 23:02, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Shut up and learn to stop suq. --Crow 23:03, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure I'm not talking to you.jboy157 23:05, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

the section above this one

it is what makes pvx so amazing. ··· Danny Hates Snow 23:08, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Cannot edit own talk page

You forgot it. Silly wikia. :< ··· Danny Hates Snow 23:16, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

yeah i was like wtf, how is he still contributing. dont block him from editing his talk page though please. it is providing me with many lulz --Xmassigangelus.jpg 23:17, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

"# 01:08, December 16, 2009 Auron (Talk | contribs) blocked Jboy157 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 3 days (account creation disabled) ‎ (advanced stage of the Stupid illness. he may never be okay, we'll see in three days.)" ---©- (moo) -- 19:12, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Auron in Denial

Was o.o all you said? I have a feeling I may have missed something yesterday when you whispered me from that character. Toraen-Gifts PlzToraenSig3.png 22:20, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

He actually logged on? ---Chaos- (moo) -- 23:09, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
to get the hat (might have been more but I know he logged on for at least one event) ~ PheNaxKian talk 23:28, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
No, that was all I said.
I've gotten every holiday hat since Tengu, and I'm not too keen on breaking my collection streak. -Auron 01:09, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
You logged on and didn't say hi to me? Fuck you :(. --Crow 02:58, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
crow so eurotime. ··· Danny So Cute 04:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Do you Know how/how to add a build to the build list?

Do you Know how/how to add a build to the build list?, i tried to add a build/team set up, that me and 2 other alliances have been working on=[[3]] <<<<link to the does work

I have added a trial tag to the build you linked so it will show up on various Trial Build sections (it usually takes a bit of time to update). Take a read of PvX:EB for more info on build writing. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 08:52, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much mate :)


The Auron... Akio_Katsuragi Akio Katsuragi Sig.jpg 23:11, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

wat --Angelus 23:26, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, just had heard of this sentinal being, just never looked for him lol. Akio_Katsuragi Akio Katsuragi Sig.jpg 03:06, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
he only pops out once in a while to be grumpy, then returns to his hole ^_____^ --Angelus 03:09, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
I wish to vanquish this dragon! >:D but HIS POWER LEVEL IS OVER NINE-THOUSAND!!! does seem cool how he has like the say so in anything really... thats a cool power lol. Akio_Katsuragi Akio Katsuragi Sig.jpg 04:49, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
hai -Auron 03:19, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
I have finally met the auron. cool. your the god of pvx... basically a perma sf. Akio_Katsuragi Akio Katsuragi Sig.jpg 04:44, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
How much are you paying this guy Auron? If you get your head any further up his ass you 2 would make a centaur--X 05:24, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
Then you can hear Akio vomiting when Auron takes a shit! 2 men, 1 centaur! --Chaos -- 09:24, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
Absolutely appaling. apalling. ay paul ling? ya that seems right. but ya, i do recall revieving the name Mc asskiss lol.. Ah well, learned in life that you have to bend over and lessa tha massa whip ya til ya cun take cah of meself in tha real world. or until you receive some sort of promotion. of which mc asskiss will not ever recieve on pvx :P Sooooo.... i could be the ceo of pvx. those generally are just people have no idea what their doing. ^^ Akio so hopeful. new sig.... hmm. Akio_Katsuragi Akio Katsuragi Sig.jpg 06:46, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
New nickname. Akio mcincoherentsentences. Life Guardian 07:00, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
I understood it, but then again, I always do ;o, so I can't judge if it's coherent. --Chaos -- 07:52, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Stop writing unimportant things on Auron's talk, please. I doubt Auron cares very much for his talk to be spammed meaninglessly. And if you're going to oblige me, please don't begin by replying to this to say you will. ··· Danny So Cute 19:16, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok Danny. Misery Cow.pngMisery Says Moo 20:57, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
UPs you meant "I will"--X 21:17, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Can we continue our discussion of popular american sports here?

Apparently being baited into giving your opinion on the average level of physical attractiveness of a female who plays guild wars by wyn is a bannable offense on gww :< --TahiriVeila 02:42, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

misery is of the opinion that surfing sailing ownzzzzzzzzzz -Auron 05:49, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
Idk, sailing can be kind of intense if you're the one doing it. I don't think I'd wanna watch it though. What's your opinion on curling?--TahiriVeila 14:04, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
curling is a 9/10 manly sport. -Auron 10:07, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
I'm personally a fan of cricket. :> ··· Danny So Cute 16:25, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Madbinton :3 --K? --~Short~ 16:54, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
hockey is a great sport, also soccer (football for all you euros) is the best sport but not so popular here in america :( --Angelus 16:57, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
^ so canadian....American football is cool too.--X 20:39, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
its super popular with mexicans. -Auron 11:00, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Yumy eh?

You're not replacing lemming now that he's gone and raged again are you?--TahiriVeila 14:04, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Also: INTJ. 44 introverted/intuitive, 75 thinking, 56 judging--TahiriVeila 14:18, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
no i've been in yumy for like 2 years, i just never bothered putting it up. back when i played gwz i played with them, when i stopped playing gwz i leeched their cape for a year. -Auron 22:45, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
I crave your approval: tell me what you think of the results of my behavior quiz!--TahiriVeila 22:58, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
You're a sucky version of me. :> ··· Danny So Cute 05:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Just asking

You have no problem with the most racist word "nigger" and yet have a hang up on the work "faggot". Please explain...this is a friendly question and not intended to be hostile in any way....just so we are clear.--X 15:47, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

It's all about how the word is used, like pretty much every offensive word in the dictionary. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 16:32, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
"you prefer to have sex with men in the anus, this is a bad thing." — Maf so rational. 16:45, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
How could that possibly be a bad thing? Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 16:47, 11 February 2010
i am trying to be funny by stating explicitly the implied suggestion by the derogatory form of faggot. — Maf so rational. 22:50, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
Well that is in fact my whole point. It is ALL about how a word is it is intended....not on how one takes it.--X 17:06, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
Uh, I don't actually have a problem with the word faggot at all. No idea where you got the idea that I did. -Auron 22:44, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
ps -Auron 23:14, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
I knew it was going to be that video ^_________________^ --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 01:03, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
Classic. -- Big McStrongfist 01:42, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
Can you spell that for me!!!--X 10:53, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
N --Chaos -- 11:27, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
O --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 13:01, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
P ··· Danny So Cute 22:03, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
/joke -- Big McStrongfist 22:04, February 12, 2010 (UTC)


The pokemon G/S remakes for DS are gonna be out soon (might be out already haven't checked in a while) and the kingdom hearts handheld games (can't remember if they were DS or GBA) were pretty decent.--TahiriVeila 22:58, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

G/S remakes are March (might be earlier in the US, not sure). Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days is on the DS, and it's quite good (there was Kingdom hearts chain of memories on the GBA which you were thinking of TV). I assume you've already played the FF III and IV remakes. ~ PheNaxKian talk 23:01, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
want golden sun 3, those games were so cute. - AthrunFeya - 23:10, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
When's GS3 out again? I forget. And yes 358/2 days is quite good as is Bowser's Inside Story. Spaggage talk 00:06, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
And noooo one seems to pay attention to me on this site. i only get hounded at work for knowing release dates and trying to sell pre-orders and subs. March 14th for the pokemans. [26th in Euro]. and ya mentioned ff, so XIII's out on march 9th. and i could check on GS3 on thursday, and thats all i care about this year really. dont have a psp for birth by sleep QQ Zzzz Akio_Katsuragi Akio Katsuragi Sig.jpg 01:28, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
you work for gamestop? Anyways, as far as all these games go... (a) are they going to do a crystal remake as well? (b) Bowser's inside story is a little childish and repetitive, but it still has a bit of the charm of the paper marios. (c) that weeaboo who blogs on megatokyo says ff13 is terrible, apparently. — Maf so rational. 03:52, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
what am i saying, everyone on megatokyo is a weeaboo. — Maf so rational. 03:56, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
Auron wants DS RPGs, so FF XIII doesn't matter anyway. Currently there's nothing about a crystal remake. ~ PheNaxKian talk 11:40, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
Ya, the features added in crystal are al basically default now. and considering they've annouced the 5th gen pokemon stuff in japan, it seems as though their doing only silver/gold and going straight to w/e the 5th is. same with firered and leafgreen, i doubt they'll do crystal since they didn't do yellow. i just know the gsc series was my fav out of it all. had the most content imo, and was the best :P thats my idea anyways. and yes maf, i work for the devil. and idk much about XIII really, just getting it cuz the asm is making me, although 5 days later i'll only be on my ds for who know how long reliving ten years ago. but ya, i'll proly get gs3 to, and i plan on checking that tonight to just see what our set date is atm. Akio_Katsuragi Akio Katsuragi Sig.jpg 18:41, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

GS3 is set for june 1st at work. although that date seems wrong for now, considering it'd release in japan b4 here. so.. unless they just pull it outta their ass suddenly in the next month. ya. Akio_Katsuragi Akio Katsuragi Sig.jpg 16:00, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

i have mentioned this a couple times, last summer the people at gamestop were telling me starcraft 2 was coming out last christmas, i couldn't help laughing at them. basically they just make shit up. — Maf so rational. 00:39, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Ya, the dates are all what corparate gives us and oddly enough, they get rarely monitered, all in all, i like my job. but HATE the.... well. fill in blanks :P they might be tracking my IP to find a way to lay me off. @@. just certain corp's are fucking stupid and retarded :D Akio_Katsuragi Akio Katsuragi Sig.jpg 05:16, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
Firing someone from a service-level job for comments attacking his or her employer is generally considered discrimination, iirc. Not to mention, tracking the IPs of employees without notice and/or consent is highly illegal. (None of this applies if you're doing it from work, but I don't recall GameStop having computers.) ··· Danny So Cute 13:56, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Checkuser?--X 17:40, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
You guys come here voluntarily, and aren't employees. Therefore, there are no laws governing whether or not we can view your IP. However, if one of the admins were to sell your IP or in any way harass you physically or emotionally using your IP address, it could be considered Cyber Bullying (which may be granted a felony level soon). Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 17:44, 22 February 2010
i am not sure what logic was behind X's response, and I'm very concerned about how in the hell you pulled all that out of anything I or X said, KJ. my comment was related only to employers/online discussion. ··· Danny So Cute 00:21, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
I replied that way because X was suggesting that we could get in trouble for using checkuser here (or at least, that's what I thought). Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 01:20, 23 February 2010
Oh, god no. That's an entirely separate subject. ··· Danny So Cute 01:26, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Just stating that checkuser can track an IP, and that isn't illegal....however abused can be quite annoying.--X 01:37, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
You're more likely to get harassed after visiting a spam site. (If you don't know - any website you visit most likely logs your IP, among a number of other details including your OS and browser.) Not to mention, CheckUser isn't tracking your IP. It's just displaying it. Tracking it would involve displaying your connections to various pages, which CheckUser can't do. On the other hand, there have been several cases of employers tracking internet usage of employees, both at work and at home. At work, it's been held that the employer has the right to do so. At home, it's a serious privacy issue that has generally sided with employees, except in very specific cases that had to do with very sensitive information. ··· Danny So Cute 05:11, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
In order to track someone all you need is the IP. @ work all they have to do is check your history under temp files if they wanted to know what you were doing anyway if they were unable to collect it off the server.--X 11:03, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
tbh, ctrl-shift-del in firefox and you can clear all your cookies/history/etc. probably a way to do it with IE if you're stuck with it. hi auron. — Maf so rational. 17:16, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

msn is that way --->
-Auron 11:06, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

my apologies--X 12:25, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
Hi auron. and ^^^ all that stuff. yeah. was just saying. they'll get me somehow. lol Akio_Katsuragi Akio Katsuragi Sig.jpg 22:17, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
You still have me blocked on msn :< --TahiriVeila 03:48, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

You've still got my blocked on MSN

if you want more examples of me getting blocked despite being polite I can probably find them but that discussions a good recent example. I wasn't exquisitely polite, but I don't think I was rude either, yet I was blocked for trolling when I was just looking for a discussion and a logical basis for what pling seems to be pushing, /shrug --TahiriVeila 02:20, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

I don't unblock people that manage to get blocked on MSN. Trust me, it's a feat to begin with.
Secondly, keep GWW matters on GWW. I happen to fully support the block, and I'm pretty sure you were just trolling as usual. -Auron 09:46, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
This time I actually wasn't :< I was honestly looking for a logical explanation of why users who contribute in small amounts to the mainspace and don't detract from it are a bad thing. And I still don't even know what I did to get blocked on msn =\--TahiriVeila 14:05, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
I just like how I got rageblocked for a month. I can honestly say I hadn't trolled on GWW once in the past 2-3 months until that Pruning thing went up. ··· Danny So Cute 14:28, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Pity, isn't it? What happens when all you do is useless shit, then when you try to have a real argument, people chock it up as trolling? Wonder what you could do to prevent that from happening. -Auron 23:15, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and, it was pretty obvious trolling. You were saying bullshit like "sysops are glorified janitors," and that hasn't been the case for years now. -Auron 23:15, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
Lol, eveytime I've ever tried to have any kind intelligent discussion on GWW I've been written off as troll b/c I got into an argument with briar within a couple of days of joining GWW. I'm sure I could spend the next couple of months being a completely productive contributor to the mainspace and still find any of my attempts to have a polite, logical argument labeled as trolling for one primary reason: the GWW staff has a completely different definition of trolling from the rest of the web. Most people regard trolling as a deliberate attempt by a user to antagonize another user, GWW admins seem to define trolling as expressing an opinion that differs from that of the GWW staff. I don't expect to change anyone's mind over there, b/c anyone willing to join a community like GWW will never be able to acknowledge any form of wrongdoing on his/her part, but I need to make the logical argument, even if it's destined to fall on deaf ears. So I'll argue and present the logical scenario, but I'm not trying to be obstinate or anger anyone. I'm just trying to be the advocate of reason. Cheers.--TahiriVeila 23:54, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
No, you're trying to introduce logical fallacies to try to get people to reconsider banning trolls. Don't even talk to me about you being the advocate of reason, it just makes me laugh. All of your arguments on that page have been complete bullshit, and that's only the ones that are up-to-date (ie not counting the obviously wrong ones like "sysops are glorified janitors"). Don't try to out-troll me, it doesn't work - and if your honest intent is not to troll, you are the worst debater I've ever seen. -Auron 00:16, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
In all fairness, most of your WoT's have contain pretty poor logic. Most people are just too dumb to argue your fallacies. ··· Danny So Cute 18:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Yes you are right Jake. That is exactly what happened to me. After months of trolling I cleaned up my behaviour and everyone still thinks of me as just a troll. Misery 19:03, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
Miz you never were too busy socking to gang rape your arguments.---XTREME 10:02, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


which admins are on atm, but this ip is kinda... doing stuff. He's pissed at misery. just a heads up, idk how to link the changes pages so... enjoy. User Talk:Misery Akio_Katsuragi Akio Katsuragi Sig.jpg 02:26, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

head over to the Admin Noticeboard for things like this. i personally don't think it should be reverted, that is the most awesome vandalism post ever honestly. Gringo 02:31, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
i know. i kinda what everyone to see it... lol. Akio_Katsuragi Akio Katsuragi Sig.jpg 02:33, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

My long-overdue retirement

I'm still a sysop, despite having not actively taken part in the wiki for years(nor in the game, really). So, I've decided to finally retire from that position. Could you please remove my sysop-hood? --Edru viransu 03:32, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Bye edru :( Come play TOR, it'll be a much better game!--TahiriVeila 03:53, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll probably be pruning the list down a bit once I decide how I'm going to do it. Thanks for being a pvx bro. -Auron 09:09, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
I'm sure Armond has already told you about this, but I just thought I'd make sure and point it out. Not sure what your opinion is. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 16:02, 28 April 2010
I'm not sure what my opinion is either. I like Misery's idea though. -Auron 11:28, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

dear auron

Do you think i'm a bad player or do you just not like me? xD Idrc about a pointless title, but I'm curious about your opinion of me!--TahiriVeila 14:44, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Jake, silence that self-aware emokid inside of you and relax some. Auron is just a dick ^____^ Be a vagina and live with it. --Chaos? -- 16:42, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
But he's loud and wants attention :( --TahiriVeila 00:06, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
How is Auron loud and attention whoring? He just tells you to shut the fuck up and then leaves. 02:24, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
^ i'm surprised people still think auron gives a damn about pvx. ··· Danny So Cute 02:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
he meant the emo boy inside of himself...Gringo 02:56, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
That's what i get for not caring enough to read the whole conversation. 03:01, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
That's what I get for not reading the whole question and agreeing with an IP. ··· Danny So Cute 03:18, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm just too lazy to log in. 05:38, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
Self-aware emokids also do really stupid things and turn you into a cliché idiot trying to express your innermost feelings of sadness and misunderstanding. Alternatively, playing around it, but don't get caught again! :> --Chaos? -- 07:38, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

You guys all still post here? Scary. -- Big McStrongfist 07:44, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hi. No. I obviously don't post here. Rest in peace. --Chaos? -- 07:45, May 8, 2010 (UTC)


Do you think this game is improving now? Due to all the mistakes that you have pointed out will you buy/play GW2?---XTREME 14:01, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

definitely not and probably not -Auron 06:18, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
So you are saying it got worse? I think they are on the right path...however when they fix one they break another. I understand that. Meh. I have to ask what build isn't considered a gimik build?---XTREME 01:44, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
The right path? Guild Wars has been dead for 3 years. -Auron 10:23, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
Well it is a start. Should of said taking proper steps. I wouldn't say it is dead for people still play.....more along the lines of broken (but I get your point).---XTREME 10:50, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
It is dead to the point that it has already had it's funeral and been forgotten. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 11:11, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
^ This, really. It's not even borderline dead. It's off the plank, eaten by sharks, shit out and eaten by tiny fish dead. You ever try tombs lately? It was bad back when I played, but now it's like 2 hours of nops between matches in hoh. Nothing they do will have any impact whatsoever, even if jesus himself came back from the dead to balance the game. -Auron 12:04, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
I have to say I once had a run in halls a month back where we got 5 matches in a row, it was insane. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 12:07, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
I was in game the other day and there were two districts of tombs. I was like holy shit, is it back? Then I realized it was double fame weekend. -Auron 12:08, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
Man that would have totally mind fucked me. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 12:14, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
I knew it you do still play. Noobs are nobs and I stopped playing halls for a long time now due to noobs. Back when 2 monks was all needed to win by keeping c-space wars alive...yah been a while---XTREME 02:32, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Msn bro

If for some mad reason you come here before msn. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 19:01, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

goodbye my lover, goodbye my friend, you are beautiful, you are beautiful to meeeee.


whys his page protected (talk), i cant tell him thnakyou for (+license) on all my pics,Unreal sig 1.pngCute mc puppies.jpg 01:47, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

This is a very good place to come for that. Check history to see, iirc he locked it himself since it was getting vandalized by some kid. Usually your own talk or even gogo the mainpage talk or w/e is a better off place than summoning Auron here from the beach. Ups. --ςοάχ? -- 01:51, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
My bad. We had a small vandal/proxy war earlier, and I just protted my page to prevent it from being a problem. I undid it just now. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 02:28, 10 June 2010


700,000 people have registered to participate in the open beta and the game isn't due out until next spring. Looks like WoW is finally gonna have a real rival in the MMO market--TahiriVeila 02:29, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Bout time, too. I was afraid the only thing that would surpass it is blizz's next MMO.
The only problem with tor is... it's bioware. They used to be good, now all their releases are consistently mediocre (dragon age had potential but sucked, mass effect games are decent efforts but each have gaping holes that leave the player asking for more). They're going to have to do better than that to beat blizzard in their own market. Their last "great" game came out 7 years ago, and I'm not sure they have what it takes to compete with blizz - they'll need a playerbase, publicity, constant content updates (a la wow's), and most of all, top-notch customer service.
Bioware can sort of do playerbase, they can sort of maybe do publicity (but they'll have to really, really try), they'll have to bust their balls on content updates (i honestly think this is where they'll fail - wow came out with icecrown in december, guilds have killed the last boss in 25 heroic mode, and the next raid is already on the PTR and the next expansion is in alpha - making new content constantly is a real gear shift from standard game releases, and only blizzard has been any good at it), and they'll have to hire like an army of people who speak english to be a good support base. I'm sure tor will have better CR/support than guild wars, but the blizzard support people are quick, efficient, thorough, and nice. Oh, and they all speak english really well (or get proofread by someone who does), so it doesn't feel like I'm talking to some fucknut from india.
It has promise. Unfortunately, it's a star wars game, and star wars as a franchise has more bad games than any other I can think of. Also unfortunately, bioware is making it, and while they're better than some other companies I could name, I don't think they're up to it. I'm forseeing a huge wave of people signing up (age of conan style) just because it's star wars and omg lightsabers, then once they've played it for 2 weeks or a month, they find out it has no end-game and cancel their sub and go back to wow/eq/lineage/consoles/etc. Making a MMO that the entire world plays for a month isn't really a feat. Making a MMO that the entire world plays for 5 years is. That's what bioware needs to be shooting for, and honestly, I don't think they can do it. -Auron 17:08, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
You of all people say Blizzard's support people are efficient and nice? I've heard too many rages from you about fucknuts needing on downgrades in heroics and Blizzard not doing anything about it to not be suspicious here. Just to top it off, I have far too many stories about the master looter misclicking loot to the wrong person taking a day (or more!) to fix. Sure, they're no NCSoft, but they're not amazing either. I'd be happier if instead of saying "that's working as intended" they'd say things like "yeah that's pretty screwed up, I'll bring that up with my boss when we have our next meeting, but right now our policy doesn't let me do anything about it". -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 19:49, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
As far as content goes, I think they will be up to it. The MMO has been in production for almost 5 years now, and the design team is (mostly) the same one that did KOTOR. From what I've seen so far the gameplay looks superb bioware has always had better customer service than SOE and Anet. I'm hoping it'll turn out well and that bioware has done enough preparation to compete with blizzard. The combat engine and game in general look pretty solid from what we've seen, it'll really all come down to content I think--TahiriVeila 19:53, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
Armond; I compare their customer service to other company's service, not how service would be in Auron's Kingdom of Awesomeness and Naked Chicks. 1 day for a mislooted item? That's pretty fantastic. Is the person who rightfully won the item going to die because he doesn't get it for 1 day? No. Blizzard has millions of players and probably tens of thousands of tickets. 1 day for a response time is fine, especially considering the response is quality (i.e., they would re-loot the item). The dungeon queue loot system is an epic failure, and as I told you before, I called the GM a fucking idiot because of it. Their service, however, is still top notch, and is leaps and bounds better than any other company I've ever seen or interacted with (which, at this point, has been most of the big ones).
TahiriVeila; I hope they will be up to it. The problem is, though, that the work they've done for 5 years (I assume) is just going to push the game out to shelves, and once the game is out, they will need to be working every bit as hard making new content and releasing it on a timely schedule. This is where every recent MMO attempt has failed. Fury... well, okay, bad example, fury was just a terrible game. Age of badnan, badhammer online, and badion all failed because they had no end-game. People got to max level and that was it, the only thing left to do was roll another char and do it all over again. If that's all TOR has, it is going to last about as long as it takes people to reach max level and then it will die.
I'm hoping it doesn't. I'm hoping bioware is going to pull a bg2 mixed with kotor and make it a fantastic game. But I'm not going to hold my breath. Bioware's recent performance and their inexperience with MMOs (and releasing shit on time) prevents me from singing their praises at this point in the show. -Auron 20:07, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
I need to not type when I should be sleeping. I meant a week, not a day. (And this was back when naxx loot was serious, even!) -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 19:16, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
I was under the impression dragon age and mass effect both have large fan bases and are pretty popular. I'd expect they will give an actual experience for people like they did in those games. While this doesn't mean necessarily a good mmo, they say they're going to be committed to the the game so we can only hope that includes endgame support. Can't really say age of conan was abandoned cause they recently released an expansion to fix a lot of its flaws, so it's not a total stereotypical trend. I'd be more enthusiastic about it since its star wars. Imo anything that undermines WoW is a good thing.--Relyk talk 20:33, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
But honestly, neither are as good as WoW, and neither have fanbases as big.
Let me make clear why this is a bad thing - WoW isn't a fantastic game. In terms of "great" games, I'd say I like bioware's more than blizzard's. I enjoyed d2, but I revered bg2. However, making a single game has nothing on making and maintaining a MMO. And this is coming off of several games that, by themselves, aren't as good as WoW. That really doesn't bode well for bioware.
WoW is popular for a number of reasons, publicity probably being #1, but the wide audience appeal has got to be #2. For me, the leveling sucks, PvP sucks, daily quests suck, grinding professions sucks, but the raiding is the most fun thing I've ever done in a video game in my entire life. There is so much detail in all aspects of WoW, however, that people who enjoy simply making alts all day can find sufficient content to sit there and fiddle around in level 50 areas for years. There are husband and wife teams that go around and mine ore or pick flowers together. For the poor sods who like imbalance, there are several PvP battlegrounds (think AB) and a handful of arena maps for TA-style play. It basically has everything, and whatever the player likes, he'll do for ages.
Bioware is going to have to match that. In star wars, they're going to have to get some kind of resource-gathering mechanic. They're going to have to have professions that are fun to level, provide noticeable combat bonuses, and aren't overpowered. The leveling will have to be fun, and there will have to be a literally endless supply of end-game content or people will simply walk out the door. The whole "omg star wars" thing will be a huge help for publicity and gathering a playerbase right off, but it will not keep them glued if the game itself is lacking (basically, if it has less of X than WoW does, everyone who enjoys X will simply migrate back - TOR is going to have to have all the X's WoW does and probably a few more if it really hopes to make a lasting impact on the market). Unless TOR is going to try to be a niche MMO like eve, it is simply going to have to be better and more polished than WoW from the get-go. And unfortunately for TOR, WoW's 5 years of tweaks have made it more appealing to a casual audience and have added a huge number of simple conveniences. Bioware has a hell of a job ahead. -Auron 04:23, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
Updated graphics and a wow clone with innovative features that revolutionize the genre doesn't seem too big of a task :P I'd agree they need features such as resource gathering to attract the casual fanbase but it's more about attracting the hardcore audience since casual players don't change games often. I doubt they even know how to attract a casual audience. There's plenty of canon in the star wars galaxy that will provide more than enough content to explore, ready to be put in the game. All bioware has to do is make sure it gives what starwars fans want first so it can actually create the fanbase before expanding to a wider audience, which i have no doubt is possible when it comes to star wars.--Relyk talk 07:28, June 13, 2010 (UTC)


Though obviously deserved, I sort of exptected it to be longer. Certainly seeing how PvX:DIS states edits such as the one I was banned for are treated as vandalism. Did I just run into the banhammer on a good day, or something? --Brandnew 11:15, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

yes -Auron 13:56, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


Thanks. I was literally about to do the same thing. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 13:59, 2 July 2010

there's only so much autism i can handle. -Auron 15:26, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
I didn't know you were capable of handling ANY autism--TahiriVeila 15:34, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
What. He's bcrat on PvX. ---Chaos- (moo!) -- 15:21, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Have you seen this person?


Yeah he posts on pvx like 500 times a day. -Auron 07:21, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


While Phenaxkian is a retard and shouldn't have done that, my knee-jerk reaction is to ban Juze for tattling to Wikia. I wouldn't have really cared if he pointed it out and got us to revert Phenaxkian, but am I being way out of line thinking Juze should be banned for a bit? It's not really behaviour I want to encourage. Misery 10:09, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

My first reaction was also to ban juze for being a nigger. Life Guardian 10:18, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
IF you do he will QQ to wikia...he is just being an ass--XTREME 10:22, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
And by way of further clarification, it is the way he tattled to Wikia and then decided to gloat about it that bothers me specifically. It is like he is intentionally trying to stir up a shitstorm. Of course, I think I am biased against Juze, so I wanted a second opinion. No you don't count Life Guardian. Misery 10:34, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
I think anybody who remotely looks down upon stupidity would ban Juze. However, if he reports it to Wikia, it looks pretty biased to ban him right after he reported a Wikia Terms of Use violation. Fucking "do-gooders". Tru...hardly working 12:02, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
I think you should definitely ban Juze, and also ban Relyk. --Crow 12:19, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
"However, if he reports it to Wikia..." And I probably would. :P Juze JuzeAvatar.jpg 12:42, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
Admin discretion, nigger. Frosty 12:49, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, but can/will Wikia intervene to be douchebags and protect the guy who reported a ToS violation to them? If not, banstick gogo. Tru...hardly working 12:52, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
(EC)just a note, I added it because the ads were screwing up the site for people who viewed it in monobook (i.e. they couldn't see anything). By adding that it fixed it. Considering that Wikia saw a plummet in site traffic when this issue occured, I don't see why me adding that so users can continue as normal, while they fix it, was a problem. It was reverted, and I didn't bother re-reverting it, because my assumption is they've since fixed it. ~ PheNaxKian talk 12:54, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
It was reverted because User:Uberfuzzy also noticed it was a ToS violation as noted in the first line of the .css file. I don't know whether the actual problem has been fixed as I haven't experienced this problem even though I'm using AdBlock Plus along with Monobook. Tru...hardly working 12:59, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
I know who it was reverted by, and why it was reverted. I knew full well it violated their ToU when I did it, but considering there are a lot of users who use monobook, and me and several other users would rather shoot ourselves rather than look at monaco, I did it as a temporary solution until wikia fixed it. The reason I didn't re-revert Uberfuzzy was because i've been led to believe that the problem has been solved, I have no problem with him reverting if it's fixed. ~ PheNaxKian talk 13:32, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hi guys. I banned Juze. He was trolling and knew better. A week should be good enough for right now. I'll add a month for each infraction from now on. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 13:32, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

What is so fucked about this whole thing is that this was WIKIA's fuck up in the first place. I guess viewing blank pages is acceptable.--XTREME 13:56, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
^ I still can't view pages with ABP turned on. I don't really care though, because I use noscript and don't get any ads on Monobook anyway. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 13:58, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Yay I have ads on the bottom again! IS JOHNNY A JERK? Frosty 14:11, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
What version of FF are you guys using? I'm still on 3.5.11 on this comp, and I remember Danny saying that 3.6 actually had more bugs than 3.5 or something. Maybe that's why it works for me with ABP on? Tru...hardly working 14:41, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
3.6 did have more bugs, and it still might, but I finally upgraded out of security concerns. 3.5 Had several easy-to-implement hijacking issues that haven't been fully fixed - at least as of about a month ago. Of course, most of those things aren't a problem with NoScript/AdBlock on, but still. However, if 3.5 works, it probably has to do with a FF DOM issue of some kind. I'm not very sure what the rendering differences are between the browsers, but I'd imagine it could come into play.
Also, I might be able to write a JS that just bumps off the ads only if you're logged in. That way a large chunk of traffic that can't use Monobook still sees the ads, and the rest of us can still use the wiki.
Also also, is anyone else bothered by the fact that Juze had to report it to Wikia after I had posted it on their noticeboard? They're clearly very vigilant about helping out wikis and clearly not just after the ad revenue. Daññy 22:01, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

In regards to elitism

"I can do better" is the road to destruction, eventually every person needs to burn that list because continually pushing leads to mistakes like the current balance in gw. I would explain more and how this affects policy making and whatnot, but it took 10 minutes to edit this page and write this. archive your damn page! The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 07:00, August 21, 2010 (UTC).

PvX:SIGN. Juze JuzeAvatar.jpg 08:32, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
get a less shitty connection. also, what juze said. Daññy 10:15, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
did you get my msn danny? -Auron 10:23, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
nope. my msn's fucked because my computer's been choking on a lot of dicks lately. let me re-add you and see if i can open a convo with you. Daññy 10:50, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
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