HB/TA Builds

I'd like peoples opinions on what to do with TA and HB builds when they're removed from GW (e.g. would you like to archive them all, archive only the great and the odd notable good or just delete them all etc.). ~ PheNaxKian talk 19:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Archive. Edit: Archive it all, with the vetting update we don't save much horrible stuff anyways. Also, I damn you for ruining my "First", I was waiting for you to finish editing before doing that. ---Chaos- 19:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Archive most of the ones that actually saw play. Anything that was just vetted on theorycraft should be deleted. Life Guardian 19:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Just archive it all, HB was retarded. Misery Cow.pngMisery Says Moo 17:54, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
it was in fact so retarded that i could lose to 3 IW dervs and an IW mes :< Brandnew 17:57, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
bring more snares! also, i'd only archive great. who the cares about anything that wasn't abused to fuck? ··· Dannycbf.PNG 18:33, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Suppress Redirect

Suppressing Redirects is moving pages without leaving a redirect behind. Angela said here that it's possible, but allows for pagemove vandalism. My suggestion is to allow it to registered users who have made X contributions, and just banhammer people who abuse it.

  1. Do we want Suppress Redirect?
  2. Is limiting the authorization possible? I'd suppose it can easily be allowed to the same people that are allowed to vote.

---Chaos- 20:43, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Why exactly do we need it? If the admins do their jobs, then they should be able to do what GWW does and just delete the redirects (however, assuming that admins will do their jobs here is a pretty big "IF"). KJ badge sig.png 20:49, 8 September 2009
How many pages are moved on GWW? Honestly a LOT of pages are moved around here, and leaving a redirect is sometimes a good idea (for pages that have lots of links to them). Besides I bet GWW people tag every moved page for deletion, unlike here. --Frosty Mc Admin 20:51, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
I do it when I cba, but there's so many of them :> if people l2watchlist it shouldn't even be necessary. I move considerably less pages than I would, because I hate redirects over all. ---Chaos- 20:55, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Nah, fuck it. You don't need it. I don't even use it. Misery Cow.pngMisery Says Moo 21:07, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

^ KJ badge sig.png 21:11, 8 September 2009

I can't think of a time I wanted to not have a redirect, except in the main namespace. Most of the time, I've created redirects, if anything. ··· Dannycbf.PNG 22:44, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

it would primarily be used for misnamed builds or something I would assume. You're still capable of leaving a redirect if you want (you just don't check the box that says "suppress redirect"). Ignoring point one in any cayse, it is possiable to restrict it to a certain degree; it's a case of saying people in a given user group can have it. In this case you're wanting people who can vote, which would be people in auto confirmed (so the account is ~4 days old and made ~4 contributions). ~ PheNaxKian talk 22:54, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
The only reason I see for not having it is not needing it, but I'd imagine, at least on this wiki, having it would probably do more good than bad in the end. ··· Dannycbf.PNG 23:06, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
@KJ up there: Template:Miniskillbar. Over a month old tag. There's even older tags than that one, too. Big "IF" indeed. --- VipermagiSig.JPG -- (contribs) (talk) 14:41, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
We don't do our jobs :> Misery Cow.pngMisery Says Moo 15:18, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
Aye. Having Suppress Redirect will ofc and undoubtedly be useful, but do you consider it being available for autoconfirmed users a risk? The question shouldn't really be if we want it (yes, I know I asked it), but more like if the risks are actual and do we want to take themmmmmmmmmmmmm? ---Chaos- 15:32, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
Jist take the 10 active users on this stupid site, throw them in a new group, and give them suppress redirect. Life Guardian 15:38, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
Probably more sensible, I wouldn't trust the masses with it. AthrunAthrun Sig.gifFeya 15:40, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
I'm clearly missing something, but what are you all afraid they'll do with this? >.> ~ PheNaxKian talk 16:07, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
You're not the only one missing it :> Redirect suppression only makes reverting easier. --- VipermagiSig.JPG -- (contribs) (talk) 16:21, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
I don't actually understand how it is used for "move vandalism", you would then just move it back instead of having to delete all the redirects. But I oppose to be an asshole. Misery Cow.pngMisery Says Moo 16:30, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

being able to suppress redirects on a site people care about could be an issue because temporary page outages. here, no one's gonna give a flying fuck because in the 15 seconds it takes to move a build that anyone has watchlisted back, no one's going to visit it. ··· Dannycbf.PNG 20:10, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

If I move say, Relyk's userpage and all the subpages to "Category:åäö", you can't just move it back (because it's a category space), and I don't know how well they can be moved back if the vandal is good. ---Chaos- 10:22, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
the problem there being only admins can "move all subpages". ~ PheNaxKian talk 10:41, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
I have a memory of an IP doing that, but it might've been before the wikia move. Dunno. ---Chaos- 10:42, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
when we first moved to wikia it was available to everyone, so we had a couple of vandals that targeted BM/Admin pages and moved all subpages. We contacted wikia around then and asked them to make it admin only (which they did). ~ PheNaxKian talk 10:48, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
Oki, then I don't think there is anything to stop us from either giving this to autoconfirmed users, or create a new usergroup for those who want it. ---Chaos- 11:01, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

bumping this. ··· Danny Pew Pew 19:52, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Useful when moving builds tbh.--TheShortOneKlhksjdnfsig.jpg $ɧor₮ talk 19:54, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
From what I've seen none has seen it as a threat, and we have quite many people who support it. What's the problem? ---Chaos is gay - 09:01, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
^---Chaos- (talk) -- 15:49, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
unless anyone has any reason not to I see no reason you can't have it (or request to have it). ~ PheNaxKian talk 16:08, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
I don't think Angela would mind giving it to autoconfirmed users, since none sees it as a threat and it doesn't allow for serious pagemove vandalism with subpage moving being limited to admins. She already said she could do it if we just agree on it not being dumbbbb. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 16:18, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


  1. ··· Danny Pew Pew 20:04, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
  2. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 20:06, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
  3. --/rant Jaiwritesalot . . . 20:18, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
  4. ToraenTheJanitorToraenSig2.png 03:19, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
  5. Random person says yes. Zyke-Sig.png 06:32, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
  6. --TheShortOneKlhksjdnfsig.jpg $ɧor₮ talk 07:14, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


  1. Misery Cow.pngMisery Says Moo 06:26, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
  2. not needed now we have a superjanitor - AthrunFeya Athrun snow sig.gif 10:11, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
Seeing as how the superjanitor supported it? Maybe he's human too? ---Chaos- (talk) -- 10:15, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
It would be srsly nice if I didn't have to delete a redirect everytime someone didn't read PvX:NAME. ToraenTheJanitorToraenSig2.png 23:21, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


Is voting really necessary tho? There's no harm of it and some people want it. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 20:06, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

i figure it'll help coerce the proper people into putting this change into motion. ··· Danny Pew Pew 20:23, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
I thought of that too tho, so feel free. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 20:24, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

HB and TA Removal

Ok so TA and HB are going, this means we are going to have to change the front page to remove those sections from view. I believe all the TA and HB builds which are currently vetted should be archived when the update happens (obvious reason is obvious). So when the update comes, Archive HB and TA builds, some builds however will be multi arena (ie ones made for say, RA and TA), in which case, simply remove the TA/HB tag.

Now we are sure that SD is coming tonight too, which will mean we MAY have a lot of people coming here posting SD builds, which I have to say I will be against, I feel we should leave SD builds because of the obvious reasons (constantly changing skill availability and to promote people actually playing SD properly, by making their own builds). I have nothing against people making their own SD builds in their Userspaces but the Build main space should be SD free. Ofcourse, any of you who feel differently or agree, please post, there be a lot of work ahead! --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 09:51, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Agree, no SD pages as things currently stand. What may be appropriate is ONE SD page. If as rumours have indicated, decks cycle weekly, then we could have one guide page similar to our Nick item farming guide briefly describing the shape of the meta each week, if anyone can be fucked to update it. Misery Cow.pngMisery Says Moo 10:06, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
you don't have too many pages to archive (around 100 in total, which if you have a couple of people working on it is easily done). I've not checked testing and trial builds but i can't see there being loads. Removing the 2 from the front page is easily done. I'm happy with not having a SD section, it would be impractical to do so. I just want to bring to attention the guide section for these areas, what do you want to do with them (and their respective portals)? (we do have an archived guide template so we can "archive" them) Would we also make a SD guide section? (it might just be a case of having maps and tactics and that's it, but would it be worth making). ~ PheNaxKian talk 10:57, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Yea, archive the TA and HB guides, and make an SD one. I will be happy to help make it. Also misery, maybe it would be a good idea to just have mini skill bars up of "obvious" builds. Even then I think it would be better to just not have anything, because if it comes to the stage where people come to PvX looking for SD builds, we have kinda broken the idea of SD. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 11:02, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
GOOD! Maybe that will make the fuckers switch to daily decks. Misery Cow.pngMisery Says Moo 11:34, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Depending on how the Sealed Deck system works, it would probably be more sensible to have a single guide page about it with the current skills listed in a section near the bottom. It might be beneficial to some people to be able to view the skills available in SD without having to have access to GWs. For instance, Misery and I could discuss builds at work. :> C:\PvX>Abort, Retry, Panic?Panic Sig Cursor.gif 12:53, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
That's not a bad idea, I would be happy to update that, it could be called something like "This weeks current deck", kinda depends when it updates per week though. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 12:56, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
I'm not really sure how sealed deck works (beyond "here's some skills, make your bars and kill the other team"), but i would imagine having a list of available skills would be quite large, and it could indeed be difficult to update (depending how often they switch skills, I imagine it's weekly (and it has been implied by Linsey this is the case) but they haven't confirmed it). ~ PheNaxKian talk
I wouldn't really care how large the list is. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 13:05, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
(EC)If there's a certain set of skills per profession/day/week, there's gonna be profession's of the day/week, I'd guess. And that's either bad or good ;o SD meta :> ---Chaos- (talk) -- 13:07, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Removing TA/HB tags from builds would be the same as deleting single-area tags, since none will ever see that say, a RA monk build was used in TA too. Could the TA/HB categories just be made into some sort of archive categories? Then we'd archive the HB/TA-only builds. It's tricky, but the best for documentation. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 13:08, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

I am fairly sure there are HB and TA categories for archived builds (like there are for every area). --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 13:12, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
I pretty much just meant that TA/HB tags wouldn't be removed from builds. Ignore the rest, I'm not in shape of thinking. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 13:14, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
(ec)A good idea would be to make a new version of this for both TA and HB, that way it can be edited to say "Many of the builds listed here were archived due to the removal of TA/HB. Or we could simply edit that template to state some builds are archived due to area removal. Also, [1]] there you go chaos. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 13:16, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
we can jsut use the current tag and put the reason as "Play type removed" (or how ever you want to word it) ~ PheNaxKian talk 13:20, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I said to start with, then Chaos wanted to make things complicated I think. That's the best idea imo. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 13:29, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
(EC)"This category contains all builds that were designed for Hero Battles and were once in favor, but were either nerfed into oblivion or replaced by more superior builds." = Issue #1, must mention the game type being removed.
Issue #2 is likely fixable by modifying templates into linking the TA-tag to archived builds. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 13:31, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
All that would need doing is to archive HB and TA builds and leave a note on the Archive page saying "This area was removed on the 23rd of October 2009, due to this, all of the builds that were vetted at the time were archived". --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 13:36, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Modify Great/Good templates to link to TA/HB archives instead of "Great" category? This is assuming we don't just remove tags from builds for areas outside HB/TA AND SCREW UP OUR DOCUMENTATION!!!1 ---Chaos- (talk) -- 13:47, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

So then we have builds tagged for area's that don't exist, don't think so. If the build was only good/great for the arena it gets archived (if it has an RA tag it stays great in RA), maybe add a note saying "This was Great/Good in TA/HB before it was removed on the 23rd of October". --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 14:01, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Which goes under the Notes section? I'm fine with that. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 14:03, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Do we really give a shit if people don't know that the RA WoH monk used to also be good in TA? The build will still be recorded. Just remove the TA/HB tags, archive pure builds. The information is still there in a page that hasn't been deleted. Misery Cow.pngMisery Says Moo 14:07, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
^ Exactly --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 14:15, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Daily, cool. Just let the GWW muppets record shit. Misery Cow.pngMisery Says Moo 23:01, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

hay gais

I know we're all excited for this, but if we wanna make things real easy we could just make the current template display TA and HB in a gray color. We could archive TA- and HB-only builds and leave the rest of the builds the way they are. ··· Danny Pew Pew 19:53, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Give me an example of what you mean, I think you mean make it so the TA or HB thing on the great/good tag comes up and gray(and black lets say), but I may have misinterpreted. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 19:59, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
  • PvP
meh. i can't get the style just right but you get it. ··· Danny Pew Pew 20:13, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Yea that's what I thought, I still think removing the tags is better though. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 20:17, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
its more of an effort to remove the tags, but it only has to be done once, and then its fine forever, so we might as well work our way through it. i remember there was something about adding a tag to every image in the database, and many members were nice enough to help out like KJ and Frosty, we can do the same thing here. Gringo 20:20, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
I'm goign to agree with gringo, while it's a bit harder, it's better to jsut remove the tags. there still is an "add a tag to all images neccassary", it still needs doing =p (i go through some when i have some time to kill) ~ PheNaxKian talk 21:10, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Ok all the HB and TA tags have been removed or builds archived, necessary pages deleted and the main page updated. Is there anything else to do other than a news update maybe? --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 00:38, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Dont think so. All thats left is figuring out if we're going to keep sealed deck builds. Depends if the decks cycle or if it's random every time. Would be pretty difficult to keep track of even if they did cycle. UWSC is also fucked up atm. We need to figure out the new metas for each area. Life Guardian 00:45, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
I swear UW is only changing for the Haloween event. And we aren't keeping SD builds, they change every week, and I think we should promote build making for such an arena. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 00:47, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
Change daily actually. I also doubt that the uwsc changes will be reverted after halloween. Life Guardian 00:48, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

User:Karate Jesus/Build Pack Sign-Up. Get working ;o ---Chaos- (talk) -- 19:37, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

unsteady elementalist

build page not working, gives some weird error. this:http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:E/any_Unsteady_Elementalist

FMK- 04:07, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
Fixed. 04:41, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

HM Builds

Hey all, someone recently asked if we could add a HM tag for builds. We've had this conversation in the past a few times, and it's always decided not to. It's been a while since this last came up, so I see no reason not to have another discussion about it and see what you all think. Just a note on this, it would be easy to implement, so there's nothing to worry about there. ~ PheNaxKian talk 12:07, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'd be for it. More categories means simpler searches. ··· Danny So Cute 18:13, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Support. ----~Short~ 18:23, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
So then we'd start storing NM buildds as well?
Brb, claiming Build:Team - NM Metawaywith 8x
Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Brandnew 19:12, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
Well this is what we're discussing, do we want a HM tag, or do we just generally say if it doesn't work in HM that we don't want it? If we had it and we stored NM builds, i'd imagine it would just be a case of if it doesn't have a HM tag, then it's designed for NM. *I don't care either way at this point btw* ~ PheNaxKian talk 19:17, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
I'd argue that if it doesn't work in hard mode it's not worth keeping. With the exception of a few specific farming builds, iIf it works in hard mode it works better than a dedicated normal mode build would by definition--TahiriVeila 19:19, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
No point really - most builds work in both, just need a couple of variants. Andy 19:31, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Realistically, there's only a couple of farming builds that don't work in HM - that's about it, everything else is fine in HM so I don't think its worth creating another category, or even another tag (similar to the dungeon ones) since the pages are already getting too busy. In fact everything is currently for hard mode, except the running build for the first half of Slavers (which doesnt need to be for HM), farming builds (doesn't matter if they're HM or NM for certain things) and some elite area heroway builds. No changes need to be made imo. - AthrunFeya - 20:36, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Disregard my initial support. For some reason, I was thinking there was a point to going into NM. ··· Danny So Cute 21:13, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

^ exactly. I don't see a point in separating the two. Hopefully most of our PvE builds are for HM. If they don't work in HM, then they may work in NM, but who cares? If it does work in HM, then you know it'll roll NM. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 16:20, 29 January 2010
There technically was a "normal mode-only" builds section called "Other", but was dropped due to being inferior compared to Great/Good builds designed for both modes. ^_^ -- 04:40, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Password Reset & pvxwiki.com accounts

Hi, were the old pvxwiki.com accounts ported across to wikia, and should I be able to recover/reset the password?, Could just be an email glitch but I'd like to avoid creating multiple accounts if I can :) -- Nela / 20:15, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hey! when we moved to wikia there were a few changes with account names:
  1. If the account name on PvX existed on Wikia, the username became "PVX-Username" (not to sure if it's "PVX" or "PvX" though, off the top of my head)
  2. If the account on PvX existed on wikia, and you were the owner of both, you could request a merge (I Take it this isn't the case with you)
  3. Finally, if your username on PvX wasn't already registered on Wikia, it was simply ported across as is.
As for password, I'm fairly sure there's a "forgot my password" link on the login in screen =). Hope that helps. ~ PheNaxKian talk 20:37, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick reply, all my history/etc was ported to User:Nela, but since I can't recover a password on that account I've created PVX-Nela. -- PVX-Nela 21:39, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
is there a reason you can't recover the password? ~ PheNaxKian talk 21:51, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
Not aware of any obvious reason, but there's countless possibilities like Yahoo mail going funny on me again :) -- PVX-Nela 04:03, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
hmm odd. All i can say to that is check it over the next few days (and your spam folder as well). If it doesn't work you could try contacting wikia though I'm not sure how much help they'll be =s. ~ PheNaxKian talk 11:39, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Moving Pages

I need to move a page to the trial for ra and ab and stuff and i but the trial box in there but it doesnt show up The preceding unsigned comment was added by Caplan (talk • contribs) 14:01, May 21, 2010 (UTC).

You can move a build by clicking the "move" tab at the top of the page. In order to get the "trial box", you need to add the following tag - {{Untested-Trial|AB|RA}} Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 14:01, 21 May 2010

I still have the box and everything and have it moved to it's own build page i just can't get it to show up under the trial page under ra and stuff

A healthy community project!

[2]. --DANDY ^_^ -- 18:10, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Another one! ---Chaos- (moo!) -- 10:22, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Moving from Wikia

Hey everyone. As you all know wikia are implementing their new skin over the next few weeks. At the same time they're making various other changes (such as phasing out monaco (I believe monobook will stay, but they've not expressly said so in the last post, so it's anyone's guess).

Now Guild wiki have been talking about leaving wikia (click the link for more info). Guild wiki's don't appear to be the only ones contemplating this (WoWiki is thinking about it as well it seems).

While (assuming monobook stays and the wikiwide css/js still function for monobook) chances are we'll be, for the most, unaffected, I'd like to suggest we follow suit (I'd also rather not live with that assumption, it's a whole one wiki that's keeping monobook there atm, so it could happen later down the line anyway =/).

If we moved to another host (see the GW link for the various ones that they're looking at (Curse.com seems the favoured one currently)) we'd get to keep monobook. There'd probably be the odd ads here and there, but nothing major. In some cases they also allow us to run the wiki (so we could set up additional extensions, and possibly update the skill DB (including implementing improvements such as making PvP skills work properly) manually).

Just a quick note on one specificaly: Curse.com. This is the place that the Guild Wars Guru forums recently moved to. Obviously if both GW and PvX moved there, that'd be a huge plus for all sites (we'd probably all get a bit more traffic, which is always nice).

Anyway, this is my small rant/wall of text. The idea is that I'd like to see what the community thinks of this. ~ PheNaxKian talk 21:51, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not overtly trusting of Curse, personally. But anything has to be better than Wikia. I'm all for jumping ship. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 01:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm in. Wikia's got a few nice guys, but, for the most part, it's a conglomerate of overly bureaucratic assholes - or at least that's what they come off as. Daññy 02:17, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
Fine by me, even though my opinion really amounts to nothing here. --Jai. - 02:59, October 1 2010 (UTC)
Talking to curse now, they're pretty chill. They just want one ad and they won't touch our skin, and they'll let us update our skill database as we wish.
They mentioned the possibility of having to make new accounts once we're there. The user database would be our own, so we wouldn't have to compete with other wikis or anything, but that might be annoying. Getting a database dump would help the process immensely, but we probably can't get one from Wikia. Does anyone have an old one lying around? Did we make some before the Wikia move? -Auron 03:23, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
I doubt we made one. Phen would know. Curse sounds good. The sooner the better. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 03:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
^I really want to be able to fix/update the pvxbig extension ourselves. And not have a horrible fixed-width layout that would require us to restructure every page. --Toraen 03:56, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
The skill bars fit well within the fixed width; most pages look fine. The portals would need some redesign. For now, only the main namespace gets the sidebar, so the Build: namespace and the others are ok; but of course Wikia might notice and extend that to all content namespaces later.
I'm running the New Look right now and can provide screenshots; please request on my talkpage. I've never used URL modification so much to get where I need to be going than with this skin (though working on an answers wiki came close). The interface is awful, the important links are strewen all over the page, if they exist at all. Avoid at all costs! --◄mendel► 07:45, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not really expecting that Wikia will leave other namespaces alone for very long. --Toraen 19:17, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Special:Statistics has a request button that creates a current article database dump some time later (if it isn't broken again). However, the "real" database the wiki runs on has a lot more information; there won't be user data in it. Unless GCardinal or whoever had server access back then exported the "real" database, you probably won't get the user database. If you have the images in a zip, they can be imported into the new wiki easily; I'd use AWB to get a listing of File: namespace (with the "make list" tool) and turn that into a list of Media: links, have the wiki process that and feed the resulting list of URLs into a download manager to get a full image backup. (post on my talk if you're attempting to follow these instructions and find them unclear (which is all too probable)). --◄mendel► 07:50, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
New accounts? Dose this mean banned users will have a second chance? Will voting be affected or stay the same? Just wondering what we will loose when we gain other features.--XTREME 11:58, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
Most banned users won't come back, we can ban any that bother. I'm pretty lenient with banned people as long as they reform and don't do stupid shit (like igor), but it's the ones that make a new account and just get banned again that I have problems with.
Voting will be the same - we'll have all the extensions we currently do. I'm not sure about the image/video embedding yet, I think it's a popular feature, but it's wikia's invention afaik so we'll have to get curse to put in something similar on the new wiki (if we go over).
Anyone mind throwing a sitenotice up? We shouldn't make this decision without input from more people. -Auron 12:14, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • Rask. Igor has been well behaved.
Chances are Wikia released it as an actual MW extension, so it can be downloaded from MW and installed.
I threw one up last night, it didn't appear for me, but it showed up on my alter ego account (before I get "OMG you're socking!" it's completely obvious that it's me and I never use the account for anything other than test purposes >>).
I believe mendel has said everything about DB dumps =). ~ PheNaxKian talk 12:48, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good, abandoning wikia at the earliest possible convenience sounds wonderful. We should have done it years ago xD My only question is to whether or not curse will be as hands off as they say, didn't they impose some new moderation requirements on guru when they switched over to curse?--TahiriVeila 15:42, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
Fuck Wikia. --Jai. - 18:50, October 1 2010 (UTC)

If we can find another place, then ye obviously. It can't be much worse than this :p --DANDY ^_^ -- 19:09, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

We moved to wikia so we didn't have to pay for the servers and (partially) to follow suit with guildwiki. It would be worth moving to curse just so we can update the database though, I think it puts many visitors off that we can't "bother" to keep the skills updated on time.--Relyk talk 20:05, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
*sigh* That wasn't the case =/. We had no trouble with paying for the server with ads (hence why we stuck with them for a while). We moved simply because GCardinal couldn't be bothered (i's simplifying a lot, basically RL got in his way) to continue maintaining the site, so he decided that it was better to move to wikia where they could continually maintain the wiki (i.e. update MW software which was neglected for a long time (hence why we got hacked and lost 2 weeks of data)).
As for Curse. I can't say how hands on they'll be with the wiki on this end, but they seem like they'll help out back end from what i've been told (so if we're having a bit of trouble with something they'll have someone lend a hand). ~ PheNaxKian talk 20:14, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
"cba" = humanely can't pay ~200$/month or sth, iirc :D Maybe I remember wrong tho --DANDY ^_^ -- 20:17, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
I was under the impression pvx was barely getting by on ads but of course i didn't really pay attention back then...--Relyk talk 20:27, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Would moving break our interwiki links, or is that stored as a shortcut somewhere (i.e. there's a thing somewhere that parses [[gww:Frenzy]] to [http://wiki.guildwars.com/Frenzy], similar to {{CURRENTTIME}} parsing as it does)?

If both GuildWiki and PvX were hosted by Curse, could we have the skill data stored in one place? Could we even theoretically pull skill data straight from GuildWiki's skill pages?

For clarification - we moved mostly because Gcard wasn't going to put up with us. Hosting a wiki is apparently expensive when you have a house and family to worry about (not that I'd know). He felt he didn't have the money to support hosting costs - and I'm sure we all remember the disaster that was the donation trial - or the time to code up site-specific things (anyone remember <pvxmicro>?) and for whatever reason didn't want to involve other people. I think there were a few more reasons, but they were all more on the personal side.

Updating the mediawiki software was postponed for so long at least partially because the ratings extension wasn't compatible, as I recall.

I personally am not fond of Curse, but it's good enough for Boub, and I'll be running around with ABP anyway.

-- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 21:47, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

I was under the impression that a lot of GCard's issues stemmed from a private hosting environment (i.e. an expensive hosting package). The gww: links are parsed and could be applied, and yes, theoretically we could pull information from the GWiki db if Curse were to let us. I don't know MediaWiki API, but I can't imagine any of these things would be terribly difficult. -- Danny is not 23:09, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
(EC)I believe all inter-wiki links are stored in some file server side (index.php probably >>), so they can be re-added if needed.
It's possible, we could inquire about it. As long we can edit the DB ourselves, or Curse keep ontop of it, i don't see a huge issue though.
I get money was an issue, but I don't like the insinuation that money was the only reason.
Yeh, i remember, but i was just pointing out that GCard didn't have the time (as you mentioned because of RL) to sort out the compatibility problem so we could update.
Can i inquire as to why you dislike them? ~ PheNaxKian talk 23:11, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
I haven't heard a lot about Curse, other than Inde telling me that they restricted Guru's FTP access. However, it sounds like wikia did the same to you guys, so that's a non-issue. --Riddle 01:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
My dislike of curse is mostly petty. I don't like some of their site layouts, I'm not fond of some members of their community, etc etc etc. The other reasons for Gcard leaving are less professional, so I didn't want to mention them. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 04:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
ah, fair enough. Well obviously if we stay here we have monobook (which I believe they intend to remove some functionality from (or support of or something)) and Oasis (the new skin). Curse would let is have monobook or any other variety of skins that come default (not Monaco or Oasis obviously, they're wikia specific), we could even get Vector (wikipedia skin) if we wanted (it's part of the most recent MW update).
Fair enough, I'm not bothered about specifics, it wouldn't be fair to those involved. It was more just so people didn't think Money was the only factor for the move >>;;. ~ PheNaxKian talk 14:02, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
I am interested in Wikia's stand on this issue or even if they care.--XTREME 13:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
they won't comment. They said that they'd rather not comment on each community separate discussion. (see the GWiki link). ~ PheNaxKian talk 14:03, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Well, I said I was trying not to get too involved :) Partly because it's more efficient to talk to people in a central space, but also because we wanted to give people time and space to talk about the changes themselves.
Just one clarification - monobook will be available after the switch, and we are not planning to remove functionality from it. However, new features are unlikely to be developed for that skin, and may not be available on it. Hope that helps. And, obviously, I very much hope that continue on Wikia -- Sannse (help forum | blog) 20:39, October 6, 2010 (UTC) (p.s. please can those using the staff tag remove it? it really is confusing... thanks)
Would "not planning to remove functionality" include the possibility of permitting it to be used as the default view for all users? (I'll remove it from mine when I have a second. Leaving for class shortly.) -- Danny is not  21:05, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
That's a very separate question, Danny. No, we aren't planning to have monobook as a default option (other than the odd exception of Monobook)
I believe one of the issues most people have is that you have demonstrated that Wikia is willing to remove skins and enforce changes at any time. We already went through enforced monaco here, and now you are taking it away and forcing Oasis on every community. There is no guarantee that monobook won't be removed in the future, if this is the shape of things to come forking now makes more sense than trying to fork later, after 3 more forced skin changes, when we have more content and more links pointing here. You basically dick wikis around for no reason. Yes I've read the faqs, but there is no reason at all to force the changes. Misery 21:36, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
You are right that there are no guarantees (we've made the mistake before of saying "never"... then things changed...). I would say that the same is true of any site and any host. But I'm not here to argue, so I'll move on with respect -- Sannse (help forum | blog) 04:41, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
My apologies Sannse, my interpretation of what you said else where was that you'd rather not comment on every single wiki's topic on this issue (because I imagine that's a sizeable amount by now, though I haven't been following closely). As such I just assumed you (as in wikia) wouldn't comment here because it's not exactly the largest wiki (and as you've probably noticed, not the most friendly/hospitable >.>). Thank you for dropping by to comment, it's nice to have some physical conformation you're reading through what's been said on our wiki =p (for me anyway) ~ PheNaxKian talk 00:36, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
No problem PheNaxKian, I wasn't really intending to comment on individual wikis... as you say, a lot of conversations on this change, and it's impossible to keep up with all of them. And I don't really expect to change many minds - frankly, the only thing that will make a difference either way is when people try the skin and decide on their final opinion of it. You can put this commenting down to a combination of our attempts to read as much of the opinions around Wikia as possible, and an old Wikipedian's inability to restrain herself from jumping in on talk pages ;) -- Sannse (help forum | blog) 04:41, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

conversations with Curse

just to let you guys know, we've had a few conversations with Curse to get an idea of things. Auron asked most things we needed to know. I also Just spoke to Donovan, and the key points from that conversation are:

  1. PvX extension. Select users will have access to the PvX extension (not just the Skill Database). So we can tinker with that and make those adjustments that are needed (see: PvP skills)
  2. Software. They will install all Mediawiki updates, and extensions.
  3. Their pressence. They will have little presence on wiki. It will be mostly hosting.

I think that answers most questions we have, but if anyone's concerned about anything leave it here and we can check up on it =). ~ PheNaxKian talk 16:19, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

so, are there at all any negatives to moving to curse, compared to wikia? Brandnew 16:23, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
asides from re-registering, and a decent DB-set back (if i got that right from that convo.) --Brandnew 16:28, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Sounds fucking fantastic. Why didn't we do this a year and a half ago?--TahiriVeila 16:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Curse wasn't as big. They just acquired MMO-Champ, that's something that requires a fair amount of money. They're probably pretty happy with themselves right now and thinking about grabbing a few more big wikis. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 17:14, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
also, Guildwiki was here, which was an added bonus. ~ PheNaxKian talk 20:29, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
So hold on a sec....let me get this straight...Auron's name is Matt? This move has my support. I will still look into things just to make sure there won't be any hangups.--XTREME 19:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
So would we be using a DB dump from what mendel said or try and get an earlier one if Gcardinal or someone has it? I'm sure re-registering isn't really a big deal for anyone on the site though--Relyk not@Wikia 21:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Ideally we'd get a copy from Wikia so we have everything up to date, and all infromation that we need (including user information). However if not I'd be inclined to say that we'd get the most recent DB dump (currently January, but Auron's requested a new one). What we'd get from GCard (provided he still had it lying around) would be so out of date that it wouldn't be worth it jsut save re registering or w/e. ~ PheNaxKian talk 22:38, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
My contributions! Boo fucking hoo :p --DANDY ^_^ -- 22:46, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Not sure if PvX has tried this before, but couldn't we potentially ask ANet for use of the guildwars.com namespace for the wiki? They already maintain GWW without ads or intrusion into the wiki's workings and we might not even need to mess with the skills database, as GWW already has them. Plus it'd be nice for accessibility and promotion of the site. All moot if it's been tried and failed before, but figured I'd toss it out there. --    Gah     QQ  ·  I did wut?!   22:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
No we can't, copyright licenses are in the way. ~ PheNaxKian talk 23:31, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good. Have we discussed a timeframe? Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 02:44, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
I believe so. They're happy to start any time and I think they said it'd take about a week (though i could be wrong on that last part). But obviously people are still discussing so we've not started (because there may be something that changes our mind yet). ~ PheNaxKian talk 15:45, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

moo 19:15, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, and i'm speaking from an IT perspective view here, until the plans for the GW2 pvx have been finalised i don't think It is a wise choice to move. At least until the structure of pvx has been decided post-GW2-release.--Lullysing 18:00, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry about PvX2. We got that. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 01:10, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Get your own damn hosting so you can do whatever you want. Cuilan 02:48, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Déjà vu

Damn, that one ugly default skin and omfg what happen to the logo? Who made those?.. damn. Anyhow, all this seems like a déjà vu to me... I wounder why :)

Here is my take on the whole moving/leaving thing. I have done it ones and its pure hell. It is a huge effort and a community takes a hard hit. It takes month to settle down with a new installation and requires dedication from all admins and server guys. And sometimes, like with Wikia, things never settle down... And I think, if you do move PvXwiki now, it just might be a hit to much for community - for me it seems suicidal (55 Mo without PS). But then again, Im not a active member...

So here is my advice - create PvXwiki 2 for GuildWars 2. And import all builds and stuff from PvXwiki into an archive (database style) within PvXwiki 2. First of all it will give opportunity to start fresh, without dragging all possible junkytrash for the 3rd time. Nice new selected builds section without all the crap. It is also strategically correct as it will be much more understandable for "readers"/users, then a fork from this Wiki. It will also give admins chance to solve some problems from PvXwiki on PvXwiki 2. Also, dont underestimate Wikia - they got cash and advertising power - this means they will dominate Google. However if you start PvXwiki 2 this PvXwiki will die a more natural death.

In short - start PvXwiki 2, convert PvXwiki into a read-only archive - it will die slowly.

Also, dont fall into the same issues with Curse.com as with Wikia - remember, for you this is a community, for them - its all pageviews. Establish hardcore, unchangeable guidelines before moving, get it in writing. There is plenty of other options for PvXwiki - dont jump on a first boat without getting your insurance. gcardinal 21:50, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

55 Mo without PS.....classic! The Texas Hammer 00:05, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
The problem is Gcard, GW2 is a year away at least, and right now it's looking like builds (as we know them from gw1) won't exist as there will be far fewer skills and skillbars will be heavily dependent on player species. Thus a PvX2wiki doesn't seem necessary or likely to work.--TahiriVeila 00:09, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
We're already working on a PvX2Wiki, but it's going to take more time than we have to finish for GW1. Curse is our best bet. We'd love to have the domain name back, though, and we hear you have it. -- Karate Jesus
Well I think it is a mistake. It is also a mistake to go with Drupal on GW2 PvXwiki. First you will split current community, then by the time you are settled with "new pvxwiki", GW2 will be around the corner. Then story will go with a 3rd site for GW2 with a separate user database. Im just not sure how much of this moving/spliting crap people can take. I know I wouldn't. By making a new and better PvXwiki 2 you can establish a new base for all the good things from PvXwiki, including builds, organized with better structure and policy's. And by the time that work will be done, GW2 will be released, and people can continue to build up-on PvXwiki 2 with content from GW2.
Dragging old junk from one server to another, wont solve any problems. Just look back at all the work community has done after moving from guildwiki - it was massive. gcardinal 10:16, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
Tbh, wikis are an awful format for build storage. A drupal coded site will be superior in almost every way. Additionally, Guild Wars 2 builds don't seem like they'll be varied enough to warrant even having a site at all. Additionally additionally, Guild Wars 2 is a year or so off - leaving this site to the mercy of wikia for that long is not an option. -Auron 13:28, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
I think what we need right now is a new host for PvX. There curse seems to be a reasonable option, let's see how they do. What to do regarding GW2 should be decided when that's out, or at least known well enough. Could be (a) we need no build information at all, (b) part of GuildWiki2, (c) part of PvXwiki or (d) a completely new site. In case (d) we have to decide on a format, based on what we want to do then (of course 'we' means whoever is active then, I don't wanna stop any ongoing efforts). Case (c) is very close to what Gcard suggests, there's just the '2' in the name missing, but it would be a wiki for GW 1 and 2 anyway. Avoiding all the work of moving now would of course be nice, but staying with Wikia for another year seems difficult. They drive away too many active editors, so we need a new home for them now. — HHHIPPO 15:27, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
If we ever decide to put GW2 stuff on "this" wiki, that would make the move to curse even more crucial than it already is. We've got a pretty solid plan in mind for the pvx2 site though, I doubt the info will end up on pvx1. -Auron 22:29, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
You know GCard, moving server hosts would not be an issue at all if you still owned the domain name. Editors wouldn't even notice. It would in fact be less disruptive than Wikia's continual forced skin changes. I do like how you implied that you obtained consensus before the move to Wikia though. Misery 19:10, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

"Forking", as they call it

Just wanted to let you guys know that Wikia isn't making leaving easy on us. They have decided to refuse to do database dumps for other wikis and are referring to the sites that leave as "Forks" rather than admitting that we're leaving.

They fully plan on retaining our site once we go. Is there anyway for us to prevent this? I'm thinking that there has to be a way to get Anet to deny them copyrights or have whoever owns BBcode deny them access to it. Right?

Two PvXs shouldn't exist. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 19:24, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

How exactly are they going to retain the site? They won't have anyone to contribute, submit builds etc. Crap we never have skill updates. The current pvx will be up to date for like a year. Life Guardian 19:45, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
We could always just blank like 90% of the wiki, no? Or just wtfvandalise it or something. It wouldn't have any serious contributors, so I don't really see how they could do much to stop it. Either way, the Wikia people are dipshits. --Jai. - 19:52, October 3 2010 (UTC)
There isn't exactly a way to deny them anything (except what I'll talk about below), but we could just make the Main Page link to the new wiki and then have everyone go inactive. By Wikia's own rules, they can't just give someone else BCrat because Auron would have to approve any new admins or BCrats. (Although, that's not to say they can't just kick everyone, but I'm gonna go ahead and say that that'd be a poor decision on their part for multiple reasons.) See, the nice thing about CC-BY-NC-SA is that, while we don't technically own the contributions on here, neither does Wikia.
Regarding images, though, ANet could simply revoke permission for Wikia to use skill icons and they would legally not be able to use them anymore. Depending on how and whether GCard licensed his Rating system, they could be legally bound to not use that anymore, either, if GCard desired that they did not. -- Danny is not  19:53, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
Due to the licensing, there is no way to prevent them keeping it, or even making a new one. Suck it up. One important consideration is who owns the www.pvxwiki.com domain. If it is still GCardinal he can change the redirect, otherwise this is pretty much PvX forever. I suspect most of our traffic comes from there. We could also carefully vandalise in such a way that wikia staff wouldn't know if we were making it retarded (swapping all instances of Frenzy with Tiger Stance or something, making SS spear our best rated build, trashing all great and meta builds). That is the sum total of our options. We are basically forking rather than leaving. Leaving isn't possible. The pages are released under the license they are released. Misery 19:57, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
Merely fucking up the mainpage so that nobody can navigate anywhere should get us far. --DANDY ^_^ -- 21:15, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
Redirect all links to goatse. Or just redirect all links to new pvx with a small explaination regarding the stuff left here. Zyke 21:41, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
In response to Danny/Mis, I suggest that we contact whoever owns the copyright on gwBBcode (Auron knows) and ask if they will refuse to allow Wikia to use it. And before we go, we could always completely dismember the site, ban every single user who tries to edit permanently, and add a link to our new page. If GCard still owns the domain for www.pvxwiki.com, then that would go a long way too. Iirc, that's how Anet has us listed as a fansite. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 21:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and btw, I knew that this wiki would remain. I was more or less hoping their would be a way to fuck over wikia (with Anet's image copyrights or BBcode copyrights or something). I wonder if they would let us just make the main page one gigantic link to the new PvX. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 22:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
(EC)....*sigh*, OK:
  1. we don't use gwBBCode as such, we use a heavily edited version of it which was edited even more when we moved to Wikia. probably to such an extent you couldn't really call it a copyright violation of gwBBCode.
  2. Wikia can roll back the site...for when people do stuff like that...
  3. Adding a link to the new site's the best think i've heard yet. Replacing the main page with "Moved to: XYZ" works great.
  4. No, he sold the rights to the domain to wikia when we moved. As such Wikia owns the domain www.pvxwiki.com. As such we also need a new domain name if we move to curse.
That's it really. ~ PheNaxKian talk 22:05, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
www.GWPvX.com www.pvx.com is taken unfortunately. Zyke 23:54, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
The skill icons could still be made into a copyright violation though. Also, maybe a bot that leaves a message on everybody's talk page telling them of the move? –BalisticSig.pngalistic 04:37, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Too bad Anet wouldn't bother hosting pvxwiki. We could just put a notice that pvx moved and explain why there are two wikis would be sufficient for anyone who uses pvx. I don't think we should put effort into alienating people from the original site, they'll just be looking at outdated builds (and skills unless they stop updates). Not sure many people use the site for more than copypasting skill templates anyways.--Relyk not@Wikia 06:32, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
If they own the domain, we are fucked. That's the way I see it. Oh well, the game is dead, why don't we just let the wiki die too? Also, the whole point of subtle vandalism is that they wouldn't know where to rollback to. Redirecting to goatse is an epicly bad idea. Misery 07:29, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Well, then subtle vandalism it is, I guess. Once we move, we can just make all of our builds ridiculous and put a link on the main page (they have no right to change that). We'll need to contact Anet and see if they would be willing to change their link to our fansite.
We can announce it on Guru and other fansites, but Mis is right, w/o pvxwiki.com we're kind of fucked. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 12:54, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Fuck being fucked ^___^ the word will spread pretty fast if we're backed up by other sites, so let's be optimistic. Besides, it doesn't rly matter that much if pvxwiki.com links to a new site. --DANDY ^_^ -- 13:10, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
If we just put a link to the new wiki, I'm sure we'll be perfectly fine... And it's not like this place is hopping right now anyway. All the regulars will move, and any non-retards will come with us, and I'm guessing not much will change, except we won't have to deal with wikiatards. --Jai. - 13:13, October 4 2010 (UTC)
Check their licensing specifically for this - are they allowed to withhold information? They are supposedly running on a by-nc-sa license, which doesn't allow them to prevent our wiki from getting a database dump of our wiki. Part of Wikia's whole gimmick, aside from being money-grubbing jews, is that they're all open source about everything. If they're specifically not giving us a database dump, that entire claim is moot.
They have every right to keep this wiki running without sysops or contributors, but do they have a right to not give us what we own (our contributions are our intellectual copyright - their license doesn't allow them to refuse us our work)? -Auron 13:43, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Well, it's not so much that they're "refusing" to do database dumps, but they don't do them on an individual basis, and last I checked the Special:Page that dumps our database was broken (so are many other sites).
It belongs somewhere in the realm of conspiracy theories, but that doesn't change the problem. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 14:05, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Nevermind, the database dump page is back up. Apparently someone from WoWWiki gave them shit about it being down. It's from January 7th, 2010, though. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 14:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm aware, I have that copy on my harddrive. Also get your black ass on msn sometime. -Auron 14:38, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Them owning pvxwiki.com isn't really a huge blow, since they will get directed to the wikia page (pvx.wikia.com) and on there we will have a blooming big message telling people to go to the site at Curse. frostels 14:55, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Database dump is now October 4th. –BalisticSig.pngalistic 23:31, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
My point of view is: we have nothing to lose and it is an interesting sort of situation that may follow in the months following the move. And I must admit I am highly aroused by the idea of subtly fucking up build pages. Why not. — Maf so rational. 03:10, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
I can see you know, jerking off while slowly typing and vandalizing pages and going "oh god yes, vandalize that fucker good, so good. Zyke 03:17, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
that would be sexually aroused. aroused just means excited. -- Danny is not  05:56, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
Well, we have plans besides just vandalism (which Wikia can roll-back). But we will definitely be all for you guys adding random skills to builds. That just helps the process, and there's not reason for Wikia to roll it back. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 15:01, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Consensus was reached in the prior section. This section was more or less meant to give voice to anyone who'd like to disagree with that consensus. Obviously, there has been none, so we are taking further steps. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 14:43, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

shit should go down friday, hopefully early enough for me to catch the bieber concert later -Auron 13:51, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

We have not refused anyone access to the database dumps. They are automatically provided for all wikis. The script is now rather slow (so many wikis) but we can bump any wiki on request.
We believe in your right to edit where you want to... and also in that of others to edit here. I don't think I need to comment on the vandalism suggestion. -- Sannse (help forum | blog) 20:46, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, commenting on the vandalism suggestion might be helpful considering events that have occurred over at the AWA page. Disregard - heard misleading information about staff vandalising that page, but a brief look through the history doesn't even show IP vandalisations. -- Danny is not  21:02, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
You don't need to comment on the vandalism suggestion, but you should note it. It perfectly describes how people feel about the changes. I wasn't condoning the behaviour, just pointing out that it was about the only option left. Misery 21:31, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think we have too much to worry about. Anyone who takes this place over after we leave will just run it into the ground. Plus, Gwiki is leaving Wikia too, which gives us no reason to be here any longer. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 02:35, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Also, I thought Wikia Staff weren't replying to individual wikis, so what's up? We suddenly get some attention when we're leaving, but we've been begging for support for months and we get nothing?
Such bullshit. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 02:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

"Porting" usernames

Thought I'd point out this, it's a post by a TFwiki admin from when they left Wikia 2 years ago, detailing a method by which you can cross-authenticate usernames to Wikia during registration at the new wiki. It requires an extra PHP module and modifying the SpecialUserlogin.php script, but it would "reserve" existing Wikia usernames so random people can't steal them. You have to register with your existing Wikia password, but after that you can change it.

I haven't had a chance to try using it yet, but it might require a couple modifications to work with Wikia's new login page. If you do try it and run into any problems, I'd be willing to help. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 02:53, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, man. We'll look into it. I think Curse has some way for us to do that, but I'll double check to be certain. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 02:56, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Reaching a vote tally on Curse

Those for leaving Wikia and joining Curse:

  1. Cuz the upper left corner annoys me. Akio_Katsuragi Akio Katsuragi Sig2.jpg 06:04, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 14:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
  3. lol wikia. --DANDY ^_^ -- 15:00, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Please leave this site. I'm tired of adds. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman] Vincels.jpg 00:11, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
  5. brbleavingwikia - Frostels.
  6. Sounds like the grass might be greener on the other side. Guess we'll never know unless we try? -- Danny is not  15:16, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Not liee any other host could be worse than wikia.--TahiriVeila 15:26, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  8. We hadn't already left? --Brandnew 15:30, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Hello.--User Oneshot O.JPGneshot. 17:56, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
  10. unlike wikia, curse isn't run by 12-year-olds with crayons. Athrun Feya 16:24, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  11. ^ Lau says it the I like girls. 16:34, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Fork this wiki--XTREME 18:07, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  13. ^ Stick a fork in it. --Jai. - 18:13, October 4 2010 (UTC)
  14. BalisticSig.pngalistic 23:28, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
  15. hello--Bluetapeboy 23:30, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Despite almost never contributing anyways. Lord of the Yoshis 06:00, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
  17. Hi there. Love from Shortie.
  18. Not sure if my vote counts, but --Sageofprofession 19:13, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Would like to move to curse, but I should point out... --Toraen 03:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
  20. Lol my opinion matters. 06:54, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
  21. I just wanted to feel included... GenericName 13:28, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Rikk Panda approves of this decision. Oh, and if you need anything regarding my amazing ability to win all arguments, I can help. Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava}They're On Fire Panda.jpg 23:03, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Those against leaving Wikia and joining Curse:

  1. SOMEONE MUST STAND UP FOR THE KOMMUNIST GLORY --Nova 01:11, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
  2. FOR ZE MOZERLAND! FOR ZE RUSSIA! Zyke 03:13, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

This isn't consensus and KJ is an idiot for trying to vote on a wiki:

  1. Misery 16:27, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  2. skakid9090 23:56, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Jon so rebellious on the internet bureaucratic <3 Iffy
  4. pretty much--Relyk not@Wikia 08:26, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
  5. I learned this whole poll != consensus the hard way myself. --Toraen 03:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
  6. I don't say much, but when I do, it's magnificent. Stay angry, my friends. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş Grinshpon blinky cake.gif 12:46, October 7, 2010 (UTC)


  1. Pika Fan 14:42, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Tho if we leave I wanna put in Frenzy in subtle spots. Falrach 14:51, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Delicious. It has already begun. --Toraen 03:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

For more information on the pros or cons of joining Curse (or leaving Wikia) read the previous sections. If you have anything to contribute to the discussion, please add it there instead of here. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 14:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

May I just add,

that Wikia will not just allow you to leave. Also, http://complaintwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page MrMetalFLowerMmf ohno sig.jpg 16:53, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

(see in particular the "illogicopedia" section for how wikia will work w/ this situation) MrMetalFLowerMmf ohno sig.jpg 16:56, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
Problem is: Unless people from Wikia play Guild Wars, they're going to have an awfully hard time figuring out what's what. -- Danny is not  17:37, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
I'm really not worried about this. As long as we retain at least one admin on this site, and we do some of the special things we have planned, no one will use this site ever again.
And, if Gwiki joins us at Curse, then all three major unofficial GW fansites (GWiki, Guru, and us) will be hosted by the same company. That's good for us and gives Curse incentive to help us out. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 18:59, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
GWiki are looking at private hosting I believe. And then if it goes horribly wrong move to curse. ~ PheNaxKian talk 19:02, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
Really the most interesting part about all this is that there's really no one forcing any of the wikis to move or not to move (assuming they didn't sign contracts). All the "power" we as wiki users have is to grant our collective site traffic to one hosting company or another. It's not even an issue of "us" (as domain names) versus "them", since the wikis will still exist and there will always be whorus to slowly repopulate them after we've all left. We're simply taking our business elsewhere. — Maf so rational. 22:42, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
how do we not know that wikia is watching this very page? --Bluetapeboy 00:14, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
And so what if they are? --Toraen 01:10, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Why should we care?--XTREME 09:52, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
dunno, just a question. they probably are monitoring us, biting their fingernails and pulling their hair out that we are planning to move than curse.--Bluetapeboy 22:36, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
They deserve it considering the way they've treated us and other wikis. I'd have expected if I were them. --Jai. - 22:39, October 6 2010 (UTC)
They definitely don't care that much about PvXwiki. The larger wikis maybe. --Toraen 23:53, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
They got at tahiri for the @wikia thing, they must care a little and/or are trolling danny's contributions--Relyk not@Wikia 00:25, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
They really are silly for thinking that a simple html code should be held in such high prestige. --Riddle 03:41, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
^ at least they have good humour--XTREME 10:57, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
And are apparently terrible at protecting their own html code.... Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 13:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Well, they can't fully protect the <staff> tag because doing so would prevent anyone from using it. (As in, if one of us edited such a page, the tag wouldn't save in a previous signature because of obvious reasons.) Really, it's just dumb to say "you can't use a publicly available tag." Saying you can't impersonate someone is one thing. (lol@misery gww unicode socks.) Saying you can't use it at all is an entirely different subject. That's why I'm inclined to believe my signature doesn't violate any existing policies. -- Danny is not  08:22, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
While your right it doesn't break a policy, they have asked and now i'm saying. Remove the staff tag or enjoy a vacation. It's not funny in the slightest. ~ PheNaxKian talk 12:23, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
*you're Misery 13:31, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
sorry my bad grammar/spelling normally aside, i'm still feeling the effects of last night =/. you get what I meant though. ~ PheNaxKian talk 13:42, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
I know, I'm just being a jerk ^^ Misery 13:58, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
Did phen throw down last night? :O obaby--TahiriVeila 15:15, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
I know, but i just thought i'd clarify because chances are it'll happen a lot today (well it already has). No, went drinking. ~ PheNaxKian talk 16:18, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
Nah, probably some starcraft-2-athon or something. --Brandnew 16:20, October 8, 2010 (UTC)


Any idea when the move is going to start? I cannot find Mr Jesus on msn nor any other admins. frostels 23:25, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'm in the process of moving due to work, so my internet is currently pretty meh. I will be on a lot next week though. We're getting the new site set up right now (or Curse is). It'll be done soon. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 23:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
They're installing stuff. It takes longer than you think (importing the database (should we decided that's what we want to do instead of start fresh) takes about a day on it's own (it essentially does every revision ever made...in order...). ~ PheNaxKian talk 23:45, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and just so Phen and others will see this, apparently Wikia has been demoting admins from wikis that leave along with banning a few (although, apparently, some of them were vandalizing). So, when we leave, expect us all to be demoted. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 23:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Yea that happened on GTAwikia I believe. frostels 07:01, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

A question

I read the msn conversation from Auron with Donovon and I've a question, will you're account be really lost + your contributions, otherwise I'll save some of it.. ,- Konschu Assassin's Promise.jpg 16:49, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

By contributions, they mean the "my contributions" list at the top right. None of the data will be deleted and in fact what you are talking about will remain here in case anyone wants to look at it. Wikia doesn't delete wikis. Misery 20:01, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
(EC)yes and no. User accounts won't be transferred across (user account information isn't available as part of the database dump for very obvious reasons (I hope)), but the contributions of the account will (what happens when the DB is imported is that each and every edit is done again...in order...so you will still get page histories =p). As to the "no" of my "Yes and no". A while ago there was a wiki that left wikia (before any of this Oasis stuff). Someone from that wiki who is good at code (specifically PHP), wrote a little script/modifications to the Mediawiki software, which made it so when users registered on their new wiki, it checked to see if the account existed on the wikia version of the wiki, and if it did, asked them to enter their wikia password (to confirm it was actually them) and they got that account =) (you could change the password afterwards). If the account didn't exist everything happened as normal. We basically intend to implement that for a short while. ~ PheNaxKian talk 20:08, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
Okay! (: ,- Konschu Assassin's Promise.jpg 23:38, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sitenotice and Admin Rights

Just to let all the admins here know, I emailed Wikia to make sure I knew a few things before we leave and here are some of the things I found out:

  1. We can not add a sitenotice to our new site. Wikia considers that act as us advertising for their competitors and will remove it. If we re-add the notice after it is removed, we will be banned and demoted.
  2. Any type of vandalism (in Wikia's eyes) will result in demotion and a permanent ban. This includes linking to our new site, removing content, altering content in a way they view as vandalism, etc. This also includes any actions that could damage the remaining community.
  3. Wikis can be deleted if they are inactive; however, PvX gets too much site-traffic, so they refuse to close it even if we leave.
  4. If our admins become inactive or are demoted for any reason, Wikia will allow others to "adopt" our wiki and put them in charge. At other wikis who have "forked", Wikia has made an effort to demote and replace admins as quickly as possible.

So, just know all of that and be prepared. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 20:52, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

When you leave just give me admin back and I will subtly destroy this wiki from the inside. frostels 21:26, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
And what about unbanning all trolls and vandals ever banned? Just an idea ^____^ Falrach 21:34, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
A quick note on point one. They've said you can't add a note on every page (i.e. site notice) but they've said you can leave a note on the main page (temporarily) (I'll try and find the source but i know i've seen that and Felix has confirmed it). and the others are all standard anyway. ~ PheNaxKian talk 21:42, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
Any restrictions to how big this "note" can be? frostels 21:45, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
nothing set in stone as such but I believe they said don't be stupid about it. I think a bit bigger than the thing saying "Largest builds site" would suffice (and bold ;D). ~ PheNaxKian talk 21:55, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
found it. It's not exactly an official statement but it's there to point to. ~ PheNaxKian talk 22:07, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
If GWwiki is moving too (or was I dreaming?) Then wouldn't all the [[gw:skill|]] be redirected to that to keep them updated? Zyke 00:26, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
I don't entirely get what you mean. On the new site we will change the guildwiki interwiki link (or we'll ask it to be) to point to the new GWiki site (when it's up). Our new wiki will also change any templates or w/e to point to the new site as well. ~ PheNaxKian talk 00:28, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
I mean we could redirect all the GWwiki links to the new one and ask them to advertise the move for us. If that even works that is. Zyke 00:35, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
Yeh, I was understanding you correctly then =3. GWiki (not GWWiki) is moving, but they're waiting until we've moved to Curse to see what they should do (we're essentially test subjects to them atm =p). Once they move we can ask curse to add the interwiki link for GWiki to point to their new site (wherever that is). ~ PheNaxKian talk 12:38, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
And the gww links will work fine still? frostels 12:58, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
Yeh, i'll make sure they know about the interwiki links we want setting up (because we can't edit those files (or we shouldn't be able to if it's only our extension(s) we're allowed to)) ~ PheNaxKian talk 13:06, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
(phen likes (his (brackets))) frostels 13:09, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
It's to indicate information that could be omitted if you chose (so you don't have to read this for instance, it's just me giving an example of it's usage =D). Having brackets within brackets just means that if you do read within the brackets, you could ommit that second (or third or fourth...) set =p. ~ PheNaxKian talk 13:43, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
i know how brackets work phen -.- frostels 14:52, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

I would like to suggest that all of the admins retain their sysop status on wikia to prevent problems here after we leave. Apparently, we are more than welcome to do that (source), and I think it would be smart. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 15:25, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, that we unperma every single user and IP address and that we RfA Frosty. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 15:25, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
I had intended to stay active here anyway. Wikia would (likely) ban and demote for mass unbanning. I've no objection to re-promoting Frosty though. Also, get On MSN KJ, I need to talk to you for a second =p. ~ PheNaxKian talk 15:29, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
maybe only unban a few? and i mean the worst vandals and trolls only...those you will remember forever :D Falrach 15:34, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
I am not really GW interested but I invested a lot of time into PvX and wouldn't like it to just dwindle away, so anything I could do to stop that would be super. frostels 15:39, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
Someone should RfA danny, too. Having two Dan's on staff only doubles the amount of awesome available. -- Danny 15:58, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
Your logic is unflappable, it cannot be flapped. frostels 16:01, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
We could also trash a bunch of the great builds (shock axe, all the monk builds, etc.) and vett all of Grinch's joke builds. Wikia wouldn't be able to know the difference. --Jai. - 19:17, October 15 2010 (UTC)
Maybe a tad too obvious. Probably just replace Frenzy with Tiger Stance or something, Whirlwind is the new shock, axe rake > body blow big time. Meta shifts, you know.
can someone tell me why everyone feels it's necessary to trash/subtly vandalize the wiki after the move? And definitely support RfA for frosty--Relyk not@Wikia 22:05, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
My builds are super cereal, guys. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş Grinshpon blinky cake.gif 02:28, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

as much as i admire the paragons of intellect on this wiki, why the fuck would you guys even discuss vandalism tactics on the wiki? this is without wikia looking over our shoulders, but when we know they're reading our pages, it's just dumb times ten. -Auron 22:11, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Auron. Phen, I, and some other admins plan on remaining here to help keep the integrity of the wiki for those who wish to continue to edit. Vandalism will not be tolerated, even after the move. We will do our best to maintain the wiki's current state while only changing a few things stylistically. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 22:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

One solution would be to leave a notice that information on the wiki may be out-of-date due to the entire community "forking". A news article explaining the situation of the fork and how someone may contribute to the wiki at curse should be acceptable, unless wikia goes overboard with regulating its advertisement-focused policies.--Relyk not@Wikia 22:27, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

i'm just going to say stop...to everyone...we've thought about what we'll do. And some posts make me think that the user hasn't read anything...otherwise they'd have at least noticed a wikia staff member posting way up there (more than once might i add), and have reconsidered their comments on the wiki about how they're going to vandalise the wiki.
To put it bluntly, no more input is needed. Nor should it be given unless you've read everything, and you're going to say something that we've: Not said and not likely to have thought of... ~ PheNaxKian talk 23:18, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
mmm i skimmed the part about a temporary notice on the main page, you didn't explicitly say what would replace the site notice so i missed it.--Relyk not@Wikia 23:50, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
That was because i didn't feel the need to explicitly say what would happen... ~ PheNaxKian talk 23:55, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Curse and extensions

just a quick note. Curse want to know what extensions we want (this needs doing ASAP really I'll probably send it them tomorrow when i get back from lessons (so in about 12 hours, provided Don's on)).

I've started the list here. The main page is protected but post on the links talk page if you think something should be added (or removed. Be sure to provided links to the Mediawiki page as well). The widget extension will be used for youtube/vids before you panic ~ PheNaxKian talk 00:25, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

I've sent Don the list. ~ PheNaxKian talk 15:27, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

New Oasis Theme

Hey Everyone,

Just wanted to drop a little note for all of you to know that Phen and I have been working with Oasis (since we both intend on spending time on both wikis after the "fork"). Take a look at our current theme that he and I decided on and let me know what you think.

Personally, I think the wacky colors and patterns will help our wiki get more attention and help people to contribute once the new skin becomes mandatory, among countless other positive effects!

If you have any suggestions for the theme, just let us know! We'd love to help make this place more useful, even though the majority of us are leaving and disapprove of Oasis. Might as well make it fancy before we leave ;D Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 07:24, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Can we change the dots to green or something? Other than that it looks good. -Auron 07:36, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure. I'll look into it. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 07:45, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
@I think bright pink dots would suit the skin well, other than that, this is a splendid look. frostels 07:48, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
The new skin is wonderful. I might actually maintain this wiki over the new one. Life Guardian 07:49, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
I just changed a few things. I know the background isn't perfect and the links are a little hard to see, but I like it. Any thoughts? Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 07:56, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Awesome. frostels 07:59, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
The current pink is quite excellent, I assume it's in support of Pink Day in LA. Breast cancer is a very serious issue. -Auron 08:48, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
I have to admit, I may have overreacted. It will take a bit of time to get used to the new tools, but I think we can make this work. Misery 13:48, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
I think the new skin is very attractive. The green contrast is so sexy.--XTREME 10:36, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
Ooh, very sexy indeed. We'll have to try something like this on GuildWiki. Mendel's current theme is way too bland. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 16:04, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
I like the redesign, it definately is something different. Let's see if it attracts some new users. --Brandnew 16:21, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
I'm glad all of you guys like it. I may switch it up a little in the future, but I think this really helps us stand out. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 03:45, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Changed the Layout in Oasis

Let me know what you guys think. Apparently, wikia allows us to use animated .gifs as our background, which is just splendid. I think the colors are really nice because they remind me of Christmas and the holidays are coming up. Also, the gif reminds me of the daily work to organize the wiki, which I think all of our visitors will appreciate.

It's very nice. Although I think something like this is needed as it's much more mesmerizing. You gotta keep them coming back you know? Zyke 05:26, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, guys, and I've loved the feedback so far. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 04:07, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

PvX going 3D!

Hey, guys. I've been thinking. the big thing out there right now is 3D multimedia, so why don't we look into making all of our text articles 3D?

It's not even hard, and there's already precedent for it on Uncyclopedia (another Wikia site that doesn't have to use Oasis). See here.

So, what do you guys think? I think it would be an awesome thing to do, and it could attract a lot of site traffic like our new skin will. It looks awesome too. Here look:

I'm typing in 3D lulz!

I'm typing in 3D lulz!

Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 04:47, 19 October 2010 (UTC)



Zyke 05:00, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

I too approve of this.

I too approve of this.

Look what adding a few 0's in does ^^ --Samsig.png 03:51, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

holy fuck. i never would've guessed that 200 was a lot bigger than 2. you're fucking brilliant. -- Danny Goes Rogue 09:56, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

This text shows up in the left margin that so far goes unused, while not affecting the actual page.

This is in 3D on some browsers that support CSS 2.0.
Above is a 1 pixel offset; this is two pixels, below is 3 and 4.
This style can be applied by site css to any text, or to text marked with a special class. --◄mendel► 10:59, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

This method to write on the margin should work on all browsers.

Fixed those first three examples for you, assuming you were wanting to them to look 3-D. Also, CSS 3.0*. -- Danny Goes Rogue 17:25, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
Ah. The pages I looked the property up on all said "CSS 2.0, removed in 2.1", but you're right, they've added it back in for CSS3. KJ's stuff actually looks vertically displaced to me, so I emulated that, but it makes no sense for 3D glasses obvsly, so thank you for the fix. --◄mendel► 21:19, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
You must be using a dumb browser. Switch to chrome or FF, imo. -- Danny Goes Rogue 22:33, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
You just called FF3.6.11 a dumb browser. --◄mendel► 01:20, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
You just called FF3.6.11 a dumb browser. --◄mendel► 01:20, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
What OS are you on? I was on the same thing and it wasn't looking vertically displaced. -- Danny Goes Rogue 02:42, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, one more disadvantage of Oasis is that due to the reduced content area, borwsershots.org is a lot less useful. The text looks ok for me on Monobook, and vertically displaced on Oasis, which is an incompatibility issue I wasn't hitherto aware of. :-( Are you using Monobook, by any chance? --◄mendel► 09:35, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
Looking at http://browsershots.org/http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/User:M.mendel/Sandbox it's definitely not my OS. --◄mendel► 09:46, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
Yea but Danny, I didn't want some complete retard to come in and be like "Hurr durr yhooo ca'nt free dee hurr." --Samsig.png 11:15, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Hi everyone

In an effort to keep PvX on Wikia alive and well, I've begun an advertising campaign using 4-chan posts, specifically on the Random board. I figure this will garner us an influx of new, active contributors that can keep the site afloat in the midst of the departure of many of our veteran members.

I'm requesting as much assistance as possible since the "ads" don't tend to stick around very long on the "0" page.

Thanks! 03:40, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

With all the editors leaving to the new pvx wiki, we need all the help we can get. Plus with the recent update, there is a lot of new builds to write! Everyone get to work and keep submitting great builds! --Lania Elderfire 20:07, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
There are a few users who will still be here as well as the new wiki because they want to keep both wikis up at high standards of quality and effectiveness. We hope all new users will be as valuable and productive as the ones that are sadly leaving.--Relyk talk 20:14, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
So why is everybody shitting on this wiki again? Smity Smitington 23:45, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
That's what I don't understand. If you're leaving, leave Don't edit. Once place becomes Stagnet, it can die out. How can wikia update new builds, etc.? If they may not play the game, etc... thought of that? I'd say leave this alone and work on the new. User Ariyen sig icon.gifriyen 01:11, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
The new site isn't up yet. And it's a bad idea to have two PvX's, which is why people are vandalising the old one. --Jai. - 01:13, October 21 2010 (UTC)
Ariyen, I will never get used to the way you fragment sentences. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 01:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
I wonder what her middle school english grades were. On a less NPA-tastic note, people are going to be on pvx.wikia until the curse database merge, which was recently restarted (as of an hour or two ago). People going nuts, editing existing builds people actually use on a daily basis will get banned because they are actually used by people. I don't care about the archive build moving, but this place does have to be functional in its core purpose for at least another day or two, so let's keep it that way.
Or I'll ban you. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş Grinshpon blinky cake.gif 02:02, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
Or "we'll" ban you. We're all trying to hold this place together for a few more days, at the very least. Then it's good luck to anyone who remains :/ Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 02:06, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) In that case, I can see this being used until it's all finished. After that, then I'd let it sedate and go dormant. Btw, my grades are like old school, grinshy. The way I fragment is not like a typical newspaper or article. Read a book or you could check out my wordpress. Aludeni is the name of it. User Ariyen sig icon.gifriyen 02:53, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Books have transitions, conjunctions, and commas. -- Danny 03:07, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
(EC)Needs more work, but this wiki is still very usable... what are you guys talking about? With the vandals under control, I think things are settling down as the admins clean up the trash. Lets keep an army of strong editors here even after the move, PvX@wikia shouldn't be allowed to become a ghost town. --Lania Elderfire 03:11, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
why not? Dr Rawr 03:16, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
Just keep advertising on /b/ and I think we'll be set as far as numbers go. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 03:18, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
I think we're missing the point that the strong editors would be editing on curse and not here. Wikia has trashed themselves and why should we edit on a hosting site that acts like they're communists? User Ariyen sig icon.gifriyen 03:24, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
Because we should repay the wikia peeps the same "great" respect they paid us. --Lania Elderfire 03:33, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
Ariyen, I know it's difficult, but try to read between the lines here. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 03:47, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

To Those Leaving PvX@Wikia

Just wanted to let you know that you have a couple of options when it comes to your user/talk pages.

  1. You are welcome to leave a note stating that you have left the wiki for the new PvX; however, Wikia does not allow us to link to the new page. Keep that in mind.
  2. You are also welcome to request the deletion of your user and/or talk page.

If you have any questions about the transition, please feel free to ask. Again, you are not being forced to leave. Some of our admins will be pulling double-duty here; however, keep in mind that there will be less of them and they will be more stretched trying to help on both sites. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 04:17, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Does a database dump mean that our userpages/talkpages/archives will be retained? Also, eta on move? Life Guardian 04:20, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
No, I userpages/user talkpages/archvies were not retained Special:export/Special:import for them. Also http://gwpvx.comBalisticSig.pngalistic 04:34, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Wait, I thought they were being retained? I'm pretty sure they are. And eta, tomorrow or the next day. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 04:36, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, they are. Auron's and several others' are already up. We're just not done with the upload yet. But you will need to re-register. You can do that now, if you like. Just don't edit anything yet. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 04:37, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Get on msn <3 Life Guardian 04:39, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, well on Wyn's wiki we had to import them outselves. –BalisticSig.pngalistic 04:41, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm going to bed. Catch me tomorrow. And Wyn's wiki didn't move to Curse. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 04:45, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Nope, it was curseBalisticSig.pngalistic 05:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Oh, then it sucks to be Wyn. I'm pretty sure ours is getting our archives/usernames and everything. But we're also letting Curse use one of our bot accounts to get all the info. Not sure if that's the difference or not. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 05:08, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm assuming that's the new site? Zyke 06:17, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
ye ofc --DANDY ^_^ -- 08:27, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
Wait do they actually prohibit individual users from linking to gwpvx? what? --DANDY ^_^ -- 08:27, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
As far as I know, they don't; I understand that it's forbidden to "advertise" in prominent places, but your own userpage should be fine. Lots of GuildWiki users put a note up on their userpage when they moved to Guild Wars Wiki, and that's always been ok. gww: and gw2w: have been in the official Wikia Central interlink table for quite some time, too.
So please do leave a notice where you went so that people who still browse here can contact you there if they have questions about past edits of yours here. Maybe a notice template could be made? --◄mendel► 12:34, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
Sounds like a great idea. If I have time today, I'll make the template. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 18:02, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Talisman online put their link right smack on the main page... [3] why can't we? --Lania Elderfire 18:07, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
Oh and the same for Wowwikia too [4]. and they are spamming on new user talk pages that links to the new fork [5]. --Lania Elderfire 18:46, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
I've noticed on Wowpedia, they have implimentd an Template:Ood template to mark articles as out of date. Thoughts? --Anon-e-mouse 20:04, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
I think the idea here is to have the existing contributors move to the new wiki, while we recruit a new and capable team to take over this older wiki. So that template might not be needed. --Lania Elderfire 22:10, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
As far as I can see, PvXwiki uses Template:Archived-Build to mark outdated content (please correct me if I'm wrong). --◄mendel► 01:56, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
Why don't we rename this wiki PvXArchive and just use this site as an archival? Too much work probably though. Zyke 02:17, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, since I see my name popping up here, I will tell you, the reason we imported our wiki pages ourselves rather than Curse doing it (which they ended up doing after the fact anyway) is that they were so busy dealing with getting http://www.wowpedia.org up and running before BlizzCon, and were also dealing with the headaches moving PvX was giving them that it was simply easier. The TO wiki is only around 1000 pages, with 7 active users here on Wikia. I have tried to not put them out too much, since our wiki is just a little fish in a now very big pond. So, it really doesn't suck so much to be me. -- Wynthyst talk 12:28, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Working with Oasis

I am going to start playing around with the Theme Editor for Oasis to try and get the new look looking as good as possible. If you switch over in preferences you can see what it looks like and give me some input. To start with I am just going to change the colours around and add in our new logo, you will see those changes shortly. I don't think we should do anything like put animated images in the content area, but I was wondering what we might do with the background. I think an image there could look nice, so maybe either some of the original large size concept art or I know that they have a whole lot of in game animations captures on GWW. Perhaps something like that in the main background could end up nice. Anyway, I am looking for input on this, so if you could switch over to Oasis and check it out that would be groovy. Let's make this new skin work for those who want to stick around on the original PvX! Misery 08:46, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I don't have access to my good graphics editing software at the moment, so the site logo is a bit ghetto, but I'll fix it later tonight. If someone else can upload a better version somewhere I will happily change it. It needs to be exactly 250x65 pixels (hence why I couldn't just use the one Phenaxkian made) and in .png format. Unfortunately I can't even put in a transparent part on the computer I am using at the moment. Feedback on the new colours is welcome. Misery 09:02, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
atm its pretty dark and emo like which gets boring really fast... maybe try for more of a professional or brighter look(not pink) or kind of like what kj did add an image to the background thats gw or pvx related andhave colors that go with that image. Dr Rawr 12:51, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
Suggest a pic then. ~ PheNaxKian talk 13:17, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
How'd you like to go with the w:c:guildwars theme so the sites look alike (like they used to)? We can probably compromise if you have other ideas. That said, I personally think Misery's design looks classy (well, the logo not so much), and black is a common gaming color. --◄mendel► 14:20, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
There is a reason why black dye is so expensive. IMO it's a very attractive color. --Lania Elderfire 14:37, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
I went and had a look at the main page under the theme and it seems to clash a bit. Do we want to rework all our templates, or should I stick to pastel shades for the theme? I will point out that the templates will have to be reworked anyway (testing, good, great, etc.) because they are too wide. In fact our main page stretches way outside the fixed width boundaries. Misery 14:56, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
If we're reworking the templates anyway, why not just make the colors brighter while we're at it? -- Danny 17:49, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
Well I was thinking, because it's breast cancer awareness month, we can use the Pink color set, which is a nice bright color to use... plus it show support for a worthy cause. --Lania Elderfire 18:05, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
We can use a pink color scheme to test out what colors would be suitable, thus I support the above suggestion.--Relyk talk 19:07, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
Pink is a lovely idea.Anon-e-mouse 19:51, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Subtle changes to builds

I had some questions about some recent changes to various builds that I wanted to ask one of the admins about. Is there a way to perform a private message of some sort? I have read the rest of the page, and I wanted to see if all the community was on the same page regarding changing builds before the move... The Texas Hammer 00:11, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

yup--Relyk talk 00:31, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
I guess I should have also asked I would like to know the method to PM in addition to knowing if its possible. ;) The Texas Hammer 00:48, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
Check the PvX:ADMIN page. All of our msn handles are there, as well as the ability to email us. There's also the IRC chat. --Toraen 01:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Image licensing concerns

I thought it would be best to inform everyone here that I've contact Community Support and Regina Buenaobra via e-mail regarding ArenaNet images on this site. I will follow up with a response and other pertinent information when I receive it. If you have any questions or concerns you would like relayed, feel free to post here and I will attempt to address any pertinent topics. -- Danny Goes Rogue 00:39, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

If Arenanet decides to pull PvX@wikia's fansite status, we won't be able to legally use any content on this wikia that doesn't fall under the fair use category. Either we make our own images and skill icons, or we draft a fair use template for images. --Lania Elderfire 16:26, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
I suggest that we use MS Paint to make our own images and just supplicate them as soon as possible. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 22:48, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
That's not a bad solution, but I think this issue has come up before with self-drawn Pokemon images that we had to remove from the site. We will probably have to resort to icon that are simply a class color with the skill name in some font. (Of course, these can be as stylized as anyone desires to make them.) Once I've heard back, I'll let everyone here know what's going on. I'd also suggest, to our various administrators and anyone else that wants to join in, that you contact Community Support as well and express your concerns. -- Danny Goes Rogue 23:01, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
We should use dinosaur replacements. Velociraptors = Assassin. Everyone understands that right?

Jesus, Danny, you are fucking retarded. If Anet pulls PvX@wikia's fansite status, what on earth makes you think PvX@Curse will have the same fansite status for a site that's basically exactly the same in terms of content? You might be the most retarded wikia troll ever. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş Grinshpon blinky cake.gif 02:53, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

That was a rather nonconstructive comment. I'm simply alerting ANet to the pertinent situation and allowing them to make decision as per their internal policies. -- Danny Goes Rogue 06:23, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
the main reason would be the difference in the amount of ads. I belive GWiki lost it's fansite status because of the amount of ads wikia put up. (could be wrong, but i remember something about ads and fansite status) ~ PheNaxKian talk 16:33, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, in it's current state it's very likely the fansite status will be transferred to PvX@curse, because the current ad status at wikia is becoming unacceptable. If we do the same that gwiki did, we'd have to update the licensing to add fair use to all Anet images. --Lania Elderfire 20:01, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
lol. I laugh when i hear people complain about ads. If you arent using Firfox with Adblock Plus, then you are a moron. I see no ads and wikia can shove it to thier ad sales. Uraniumjoint 00:51, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

A Guide on How To Create a VERY GOOD build :):)

+++NOTE plz: It says that it's for PVP (player versus player) only but that was a typo. Sorry. It is for both if you want.+++ I wrote this very useful guide in an attempt to help all of our new (and always welcomed) contributors make builds. It's a fun and entertaining guide that is friendly to the New User, and helps the Experienced Users deal with the changing Metagame. Cheers you guys, Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava}They're On Fire Panda.jpg 04:35, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


Why do people think that vandalizing builds BEFORE we move is a good idea? Im all for getting traffic over to Curse when the move is complete. However, when people (who often do not know about the move, or know of everything else that is posted on this page) visit this site in its current state, they are dumbfounded by how crappy some of the pages are. Vandalizing now is going to lower traffic to the new site, because once a user has it in their head that "PVX looks like crap, and the builds don't make sense.", they will not want to visit the new site. Does anyone else feel this way? If you do think vandalism is actually doing good...please explain it to me, because I don't see the benefits. The Texas Hammer 17:04, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

No I've been thinking the same :p --DANDY ^_^ -- 17:30, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
If people are dumb enough to not read the site message at the top, they don't desrve to awesome sauce of pvx... frostels 20:12, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
And to the jerkwad changing texts to pink on a grey background when some of us still like to use this site...I have some choice words for you.XunRu 20:21, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
That jerkwad is Panic, and he's a Picnic Pioneer- the most honorable type of, well, anything, punk. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş Grinshpon blinky cake.gif 20:22, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
There will be a short interlude before I change the remaining 742 archive builds to pink, if you'd like to say them now. Also, I hate you. - Panic 20:24, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
Breast cancer awareness is a very important issue, and I would like to personally thank Panic for bringing it to our attention. Please continue your good work Panic, and we might consider changing some of the template to a pink theme as well. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 20:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
No problem, KJ. My mother was a breast cancer survivor and I feel very strongly about the issue. I was also thinking I could change everyones user pages and talk pages to pink as well since that is where most users will be sure to see it. Also, I hate you. - Panic 20:42, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand what you mean? Vandalism out of control? I think the sysops have it under control at the moment, so there is nothing to worry about. Also great job Panic! --Lania Elderfire 21:07, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
I agree with Lania. Also, I hate you too Panic <3 Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 21:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
The pink does not look like vandalism, and I was not referring to the pink. I will say however, most new users are not aware that they can change their preferences to Monaco. As such, they are using the default skin, and the pink makes the pages difficult to read. I believe expressing breast cancer awareness in another would be better.
On the subject of vandalism, among other changes, some of the builds were changed to Spanish for the reason of "As per diversity month". Thats just one example. I don't see how changing a website's text to Spanish, when the majority of users primarily read/write English, is considered constructive. @Lania, no one said it was out of control, nor that the admins do not have it under control. My post is merely for any who is vandalizing or plans to do so. The Texas Hammer 21:35, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
First of all, Monaco will no longer be a choice in a few days, so it doesn't matter if new users can change to it or not - it will be gone. Second, the majority of our site traffic comes from non-english speakers (believe it or not). I'm not sure how much spanish helps us though. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 21:37, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Both good pieces of good knowledge that I was unaware of. Did yall post that Monaco would be gone in a few days? If so, I missed it.The Texas Hammer 21:45, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
Also @Panic, you are doing a TON of manual work, which will be need to be changed back manually (unless a mass change can be performed that I am unaware of). Why not just ask the admins to change the templates like KJ mentioned above?The Texas Hammer 21:49, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
The loss of Monaco is one of the reasons we're leaving. As a matter of fact, we have no doubt that eventually Monobook will be removed as well. Wikia is moving towards a more ad-focused, blog/social network model, which isn't useful for Wikis (hence, the mass exodus from Wikia).
We haven't posted that as an announcement, but it is discussed here and Wikia has posted a lot about it on their community page. And we already changed the CSS to fix the problem. We'll manually fix them later. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 22:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
I am aware that it is going away, just not the timeline of "a few days". Thanks for the follow-up.The Texas Hammer 22:08, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

A bit of good news from our friends at WoWWiki

Apparently, we're allowed to do something like this -- [6]. Just as we've linked any other fansite, we're allowed to add an article covering our new fansite and place it on our main page as one of our links.

Just thought that was nice. Karate KJ for sig.png Jesus 03:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

CC-BY-NC-SA 2.5 and the DMCA

Following the recent ban of one of PvX's admins and Wikia's continued persistence in asserting their control over this wiki, I will be issuing a DMCA takedown notice to Wikia shortly. I was able to acquire a brief consultation with a local attorney regarding some personal copyright matters and I took it upon myself to inquire about the NC clause and the issues with Wikia. What it boils down to is that each user owns his or her contributions and that any user may issue a DMCA notice against Wikia should that user believe that the NC clause of CC-BY-NC-SA is being violated. Wikia is, essentially, using a NC-licensed product to sell ad space, something that is clearly neither fair use nor within the use rights stated within CC-BY-NC-SA.

I encourage any and all other editors that feel similarly to take similar action. My agreement with Wikia is that my contributions will be used non-comercially, and I feel as though that agreement has been breached. I imagine many of you feel similarly.

Wikia, I'll await your response once you've received the letter. If you refuse to comply with my takedown request, I'll be more than happy to take further action. If you wish to negotiate, I'm open to re-licensing my content in exchange for some portion of your ad revenue. -- Danny Goes Rogue 05:28, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

For anyone interested, here's a How-To DMCA guide I found after one Google search. [7] -- Danny Goes Rogue 05:38, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
Mind my ignorance, but what are the rights stated in CC-BY-NC-SA? Vincent Evan [Air Henchman] Vincels.jpg 18:57, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
^ Nvm I'm looking at it. I'll see what I can do. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman] Vincels.jpg 19:00, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
Just a note on your last point Danny, they can't re-license one person's contributions only, they'd have to do everyone's...which would mean everyone (who's ever made a single edit) would have to approve.... ~ PheNaxKian talk 20:49, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
My understanding is that you can effectively sell your own edits to a commercial entity. You don't have to agree to any new license - you just sell the rights to use whatever under the existing license. Or sell your rights entirely. -- Danny Goes Rogue 01:43, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
I don't see how that'd work though. You edit pages with other people's contributions on them, who aren't selling their contributions, and are editing under out actual license. So you can't seel your rights because you'd be effecting others (indirectly). ~ PheNaxKian talk 13:02, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, Wikia could buy them off everyone, though. --◄mendel► 14:30, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

There's a different type of license problem, and it's with images. The new image attribution that appears on thumbnails etc. gives credit to the uploader; section 4c of the license seems to stipulate that if you credit anyone, you have to also credit the original author, and if that's not the uploader, you obviously have a problem.

If you can get ArenaNet to execute the clause in its Terms of Use that allows them to to require removal of our content at any time, for any reason, then all of the images licensed with Template:ArenaNet image would have to be relicensed or deleted; since PvXwiki:Copyrights doesn't seem to list "fair use" as acceptable, this would be tricky. I'd definitely recommend that the admins do not leave any unlicensed copyrighted images around if they're leaving -- it could saddle the community that takes up this wiki afterwards with copyright liabilities, and they could possibly recover damages from the people who knew about these images and left them up. To avoid this, it'd probably be best to delete any unlicensed images stored on this wiki (GuildWiki tries to do that on an ongoing basis). --◄mendel► 15:08, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

HB Archived Builds

The Archived Tested HB Builds page has lost almost all of it's content. Builds that were popular in HB used to be listed on that page and I can't seem to find it anymore. On the main Archived Builds page, there are a few but those builds are not accurate and are not actual builds used in HB (some are but most aren't). Is there anyway the HB builds can be restored back into the Archived HB builds page? 22:53, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not even sure what happened. For some reason, the archive template on the HB builds we have isn't placing them in the proper categories. There's not much we can do about it other than hope it starts working again. Also, our HB coverage was never really that good because no one here cared about it when it existed in-game, so a lot of the builds we have would be inaccurate (and we are missing a lot of what was run). --Toraen 23:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I know what the problem is, working on a fix now. ~ PheNaxKian talk 00:00, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
fixed. If i page isn't showing up, just do a null edit on it (hit edit and press save without changing anything). (this affected all (Archived) builds, so that should fix shit =D) ~ PheNaxKian talk 01:12, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be no change. Just the two sin builds are there, the rest aren't. I have links to some of the builds that should be on the HB page (used it as links months ago) but when I click it, it takes me to pages that need content. Has someone come and deleted all of it? Here are a few: Team - Dual Meld, Team - HB Snareway, HB HaO Packer, HB VoR Capway and HB "Coward" Sin. These are just a few builds which should have been on the Archived HB Builds page. There were much more and it seems like the content has been removed. 01:23, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
You linked pages from the Build: namespace. They've been moved to the Archive: namespace and now that phen has fixed the template, we need to wait for the server cache to update before the category shows them. This process can be sped up for individual builds by 'purging' the cache for that page or doing any (even a null) edit on that page. This would require visiting every page though, and it's less tedious to let the server sort it out. --Toraen 01:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
^ per Toraen. you need to do a null edit on any pages that aren't showing up. Unfortunately I can't wave my magic wand on that one =p. ~ PheNaxKian talk 01:28, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
And even after doing the null edit, the category itself won't update instantly (I just looked up the builds you mentioned in the Archives and purged cache for them, but the category doesn't display them yet). It's best now to just be patient. --Toraen 01:31, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Just a note here, it's not just the HB builds. It's all of them. Zyke 02:19, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
@Toraen, it should, does for me at least (i.e. null edit).
@Zyke, i was aware when i was doing it, it's fixed for everything. ~ PheNaxKian talk 03:18, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
The category page is not updated, even though the categories show up on the builds now (after null edit/purge cache). There are still only two builds on that page, and I suspect it will be that way for a little while. --Toraen 03:39, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Unless Wikia have changed their code, an actual null edit works better (i.e. at all) for categories than the cache purge does. --◄mendel► 07:14, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
The difference is that purging only rebuilds the version of the page that is stored in the server's cache - this is useful when something transcluded onto the page has changed, and you want to refresh the cached version of the page to reflect that, for example, a template being changed to display different text.
Purging a page does not refresh the link tables in the database. Those tables include category listings, WhatLinksHere, and other stuff like that. They are only refreshed when the page is edited. So when a template is changed such that it assigns new/different categories to a page, you have to perform an edit on the pages that transclude it in order to make them appear in the category.
However, MediaWiki has a feature that alleviates the need for null edits like that: the job queue. Whenever a page is edited (not necessarily a template), entries are added to the job queue for every page that transcludes the edited page. Over time, the wiki engine will run jobs in the queue, refreshing all the link tables for those pages.
So if time isn't an issue, you can just wait for the wiki to process everything in the job queue. (You can see the current length of the queue on Special:Statistics.) Or you can perform null edits on all the pages in order to force the changes immediately. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 17:08, November 15, 2010 (UTC)


Is it just me or did the mouseover descriptions dissapear? — HHHIPPO 21:29, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

They seem to have dissappeared for me too. Brandnew 21:50, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
Yep. Amazing. --Toraen 22:13, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
c. --Jai. - 22:17, November 17 2010 (UTC)
I would assume it's an issue with the new skin. It borks a lot of our shit. -- Karate Jesus 15:00, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
It's not the new skin specifically, It doesn't work on monobook eaither, so they've changed something that interacts with every skin and our extension. ~ PheNaxKian talk 15:13, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
it's probably the ad-hover javascript. i'd bet money it wasn't built to be compatible with other hover effects. -- Danny Goes Rogue 19:45, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
they didn't change our extension (at least not for 2 months) ~ PheNaxKian talk 21:11, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
any plans on fixing it?--Relyk talk 23:16, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
Entirely up to wikia. I sent a message to them, but response will probably be slow. --Toraen 04:05, 22 November 2010 (UTC)