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=== BMs and Ratings ===
=== BMs and Ratings ===
BM votes are doubly counted, but it seems that admins' votes arent. Is there a reason for this? Cause i always thought that admin>BM. -- [[User:I Am Jebus|<font color=black>Jebus</font>]][[User:I Am Jebus/Contests|<small><sub><font color=black>contests</font></sub></small>]] 22:32, 2 November 2008 (EST)
BM votes are doubly counted, but it seems that admins' votes arent. Is there a reason for this? Cause i always thought that admin>BM. -- [[User:I Am Jebus|<font color=black>Jebus</font>]][[User:I Am Jebus/Contests|<small><sub><font color=black>contests</font></sub></small>]] 22:32, 2 November 2008 (EST)
:Admins are in charge of the overall running of the site. BMs are (supposedly)authorities on build wars.[[User:|]] 22:35, 2 November 2008 (EST)
== Build-Specific Issues ==
== Build-Specific Issues ==

Revision as of 03:35, 3 November 2008

The Admin noticeboard

There are a number of issues that can only be solved by an Administrator. The Admin noticeboard is one of the means through which users can contact Administrators in order to identify a problem that needs Administrative attention. Although editors are welcome to directly contact particular Administrators, posting on this page instead may be an easier way to let the entire Administrative group know of the issue (which may be particularly helpful since it increases the odds that at least one Administrator will see, and thus be able to respond to, the issue promptly).

There are only a limited number of things for which this page should be used. Many problems can be solved without Administrative intervention, and, thus, this page should be restricted to those issues that actually require an Administrator. Those are: blocking vandals, (un)deleting pages, (un)protecting pages, removing votes (either as per Real Vetting or because the build has been substantially edited), and mediation (only if the situation demands it).

Even in cases of vandalism, posting on this page needn't be the first step (and indeed should not be the first step). If you see vandalism, just go ahead and revert it, anyone has the power to do so. If it's a new article with no safe version to revert back to, tag it for deletion. In both cases you should leave a message in the talk page of that user to make him/her aware of why that kind of edit is unacceptable on PvXwiki. Only post here if that user persists in his/her actions, ignoring the warnings or if the content requires immediate Administrative attention (eg. if the material on the page is so offensive that should be immediately deleted).

(Be careful in case that user repeatedly insists on vandalizing, avoid a revert war; it's far better to temporarily leave the vandalized version of the page up until an admin has a chance to intervene.)

To create a new request: add an item to the bottom of the list below, providing a brief, neutral summary of the issue. As a sign of courtesy, also leave a message on the talk page of any other involved users so they are aware of this discussion. If you are alerting an admin of a vandal, use the {{IP}} template, with the first parameter being the vandal's IP or username. If you are requesting that vote(s) be removed, please use the {{Build}} template, with the first parameter being the build's name.

Note that this is not a talk page and that the respective moderators of each section reserve the right to remove non-administrative comments without discussion.

Please place new requests at the bottom of the corresponding issues heading.

General Issues

General problems, such as user conduct, vandalism, and bans. Also, suggestions can be posted here. All can be resolved by an Administrator. See resolved General Issues here.

Єяøהħ (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Eronth apparently, but something got fucked. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 16:01, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Enroth is already perma'd. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 12:48, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
Enroth wasn't perma'd..... ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 08:03, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
is gcard or someone else working on it? or is eronth alone? ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) Cuz Steve said so... ツ 20:31, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
Gcard and Hhhippo are gone a lot, so I doubt they've seen this. Tbh Eronth, I would just make a new account... ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   21:22, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
He could just go back to using Eronth, without all the weird characters. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 22:26, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
Yeah. I can't demote Єяøהħ, but I can promote another account :/ -Auron 23:10, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Massive (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Hay, he got banned for RV1 - he wonders when he the ban is withdrawn or ends :) 12:10, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

with an expiry time of 3 days , found em in Ban history ^^ 12:14, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Hay, does he want to be banned for avoiding bans? Admins have emails listed, use them. - Misery Is Friendly Misery Dog obaby.gif 12:20, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
Does he also know new issues go at the bottom =o. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 12:22, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Frvwfr2 (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

"03:01, 28 October 2008 Frvwfr2 (Talk | contribs) deleted "Build:W/E Shock Axe"" Perma/Demote --FrostyMini england.jpg 08:38, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Requesting sysop review. --71.229 08:40, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
he did it because everyobne was spam voting on it when it was archived...you all know full well that you're not supposed to vote on archived builds. I'll restore it but anyone who votes on it is getting banned. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 08:49, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
Ban hammer timez --FrostyMini england.jpg 09:07, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Goldenstar (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

/r/ing either restoring my talk page and locking it, restoring my talk page and telling everyone to stop being such a bitch, or a perma. Not gonna stop reverting till one of the three happens. -- GoldenGoldenstar.JPGStar

It was mandatorily archived because it was too long. There's a difference between a 42kb talk and a 45kb talk. Honestly, I don't see why you care that much, unless you like pissing off admins. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 08:11, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
I've left a note to leave anything on his talk page wiki related. I've also made the block 2 weeks for avoiding the ban. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 08:34, 1 November 2008 (EDT) (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Contribs. Also, as I fail at reverting mass edits, I'll let someone else try to fix it. Zefirsig.jpgGod Zefir 18:10, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Warned and reverted. - Misery Is Friendly Misery Dog obaby.gif 18:13, 2 November 2008 (EST)

BMs and Ratings

BM votes are doubly counted, but it seems that admins' votes arent. Is there a reason for this? Cause i always thought that admin>BM. -- Jebuscontests 22:32, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Admins are in charge of the overall running of the site. BMs are (supposedly)authorities on build wars. 22:35, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Build-Specific Issues

Build-Specific refers to any issue pertaining to the removal of votes, usually resolved by a Build Master or Administrator. See resolved issues here.

If you wish to dispute another user's vote, it is advised to do so on the build's talk page. This section of the noticeboard is intended to notify Admins or Build Masters of issues that can be speedily resolved (e.g. factually incorrect votes) or issues in need of mediation. Avoid debating builds or votes here.

Note: If applicable, please identify specific votes to improve admin response time.

Team - Unseen Fury (talk · rate)

Damuffinator says that cripshot devastates this when cripshot will never hit due to blind and Massive says that rend/CE shuts down the DW but thats a counter to every WS derv build. In any case, it doesnt deserve a 3 effectiveness. -- Jebuscontests 21:43, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

Enchantment removal laughs at you're EDA blinds, so the first point is pretty much gone. Second point is legitimate.--The Gates Assassin 22:40, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
Refrain from discussing on the AN please, take it to the build talk pages. No factually incorrect votes, so my hands are tied, but I would like a BM to look at Jebus' and Chowty's votes though, they seem too high ignoring the fact that everyone runs Foul Feast these days and the prevalence of hexway. - Misery Is Friendly Misery Dog obaby.gif 10:38, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

Team - TA RaO Pressure (talk · rate)

Bad votes are bad. -- Jebuscontests 17:35, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

Got some. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   16:10, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

E/A_AP_Earth_Elemental (talk · rate)

Yeah, someone has to be wrong here. Zefirsig.jpgGod Zefir 01:29, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   16:08, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

E/Mo Ether Healer (talk · rate)

Ractoch's vote: Healing more often=Healing more, and the way the build uses Infuse makes it a better Healer than an HB Monk. "The build doesn't offer anything exceptional except that you can be a bad player and think you're good. " <--- that's what makes the Imbagon so great, too. "if you honestly need a Heal Party as often as this build can deliver you have some serious issues in the team." <--- So we shouldn't play builds that are better (i.e. Imbagon) because the support is too drastic? The vote contradicts itself. ــмıкεнaшк 07:22, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   16:03, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

W/any Endurance Axe (talk · rate)

Grinch's vote, restored. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 07:25, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

By two separate BMs. So call for a BM re-evaluation if you think they're wrong or stfu. - Panic sig5.png 09:10, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
Removed. Get a grip, panic. The vote was blatantly stupid. Stop being a blind zealot fanboi and learn to think. -Auron 09:13, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
Then challenge Tab and Unexist on it like I suggested and stop being a sissy. - Panic sig5.png 09:20, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
Pretty sure I just did. -Auron 09:34, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
Quietly removing the vote will sure teach them a lesson. I'm sure they'll never troll again. - Panic sig5.png 09:44, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
If you wish to dispute another user's vote, it is advised to do so on the build's talk page. This section of the noticeboard is intended to notify Admins or Build Masters of issues that can be speedily resolved (e.g. factually incorrect votes) or issues in need of mediation. Avoid debating builds or votes here.

This is calling for BM re-evaluation at any rate Panic.PikaFanLightningbolt sig.jpg 09:36, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
I meant re-evaluating their BM status, actually. - Panic sig5.png 09:44, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
I removed Tab's again... ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   11:27, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
Remove anything that isn't 5-5-X tbh --FrostyMini england.jpg 12:14, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
Tab ownzzzz he wants to get demoted. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 06:31, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Team - SF Tombs (talk · rate)

Rikuno's vote is wrong--ShadowRelyk Sig.gif 03:47, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. - Misery Is Friendly Misery Dog obaby.gif 04:20, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

W/E Shock Axe (talk · rate)

For Admins Attention. Anyone who votes on here should be banned, and have their vote removed. There is a note at the top of the builds page warning users not to vote, unless they want to be banned. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 09:23, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

didnt you add the ban notice 3 hours after they voted? so they shouldn't be banned? i may be mistaken, just clarifying. Saint 09:26, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
no, I added the ban notice when I restored it. (Frv deleted it because people kept voting on it, I restored it saying anyone that voted on it would be banned. When something deleted then restored, all the votes are deleted, so they have to have done it after I added the notice.) ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 09:29, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
Apparently there are a few inconsistencies between timing of signature timestamps, rating timestamps and RC timestamps. Gives me a headache to try and figure out which timezone each is actually using.PikaFanLightningbolt sig.jpg 09:33, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
I think they all use Server time for Rating, and User time for sigs etc. in Preferences... ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   15:47, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
Sigs are in EDT (UTC -4), RC is in EST (UTC -5), and RR is in UTC -12, which is kinda weird. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 16:29, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
i added a time length to the notice That Twin Tom sig.jpgThat Twin Tom 16:45, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

(Reset indent) I deleted it, people aren't taking the ban seriously. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:28, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

shut the fuck up Smurf Ohai 17:30, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
Careful, I think Phenaxkian is banning for just looking at him/her atm. Karate Jesus 17:31, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
Him. And if you fell like bitching to me do so on my talk not the AN. Like karate said, it won't take much atm... ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:33, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

(Reset indent) Auron seems to think it's better if this is un-archived. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 18:22, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

You guys depress me sometimes. -Auron 23:50, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
Well shit, when it's me and Phen running the site basically... We do what we think is best. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   12:22, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

R/any_Burning_Point_Blank_Ranger (talk · rate)

← Moved from PvXwiki_talk:Admin_noticeboard
I changed the build around a bit, and it needs a vote wipe, because all the votes there are no longer accurate. Can anyone get around to it? Justin6 Justing6 siggypic.png 18:06, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

This can go on the main page instead of the talk page. Both votes removed in any case. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 18:22, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
Thanks. Justin6 Justing6 siggypic.png 21:12, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

R/Me Fissure Forest Farmer (talk · rate)

Archived. Needs a vote wipe. Toraen (Talk/Contrib) 01:12, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

done. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 07:32, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

W/any PvE WE Axe (talk · rate)

Lukejohnson. Zealous doesn't warrant Power Attack spamming, even with 2 AoE attacks. You won't be mobbed by 10 billion guys, all in adjacent range all the time. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 17:43, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Ohmagawd, I EC'd almost the EXACT same thing. Scary... ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns.gif 17:44, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
done. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 18:18, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

N/Mo Blood Smiter Support (talk · rate)

Frankly I am pretty tired of people telling me there's energy problems with the build; for 3 or more melee to buff with SoH, BiP with masochism allows for infinite energy while 2 melee or less to buff you shouldn't run into energy problems with the OotV version.PikaFanLightningbolt sig.jpg 20:12, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

done. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 08:03, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
Also, Dark0805's vote is not clear; when asked for a more elaborated explanation on his talkpage, he claims D/N orders are superior because they have party-wide healing instead of party-wide prots and SoH. He also mentioned that Dark Fury isn't inside the build, however it is included in variants.PikaFanLightningbolt sig.jpg 17:44, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
Bumpz ups^ 20:28, 2 November 2008 (EST)
Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   20:42, 2 November 2008 (EST)
Thanks! 20:46, 2 November 2008 (EST)
Sorry to bother again, Dark's vote again, because he is under the impression that party wide mending is better than 14 extra damage on physicals and party wide prots. 21:41, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Team - Physical Heroes (talk · rate)

"All physical means no different sorts of damage, all paragons, which means horrible dps, and physical means if you run into a mob with any blocks...delayed by about a minute or two."

^ all of that is wrong.

First, it isn't purely physical. There is also fire damage, burning, and splinter weapon. Second, Paragons do not deal horrible damage. Want the full explanation? See here. Third, blocks aren't a huge problem. If something puts up a block stance, you can switch targets or wait for wait for wild throw. If a block enchant is used, it will likely be interrupted. If a block enchant does go off target switching will still likely work. If its something like Critical Defenses, you still deal lots of damage through autoattacks, unblockable attacks and ignite arrows damage. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 20:20, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

done. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 08:03, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

E/Rt IL Splinter Weapon Elementalist (talk · rate)

Invoke Lightning is a terrible elite. Outside of this, the damage output is a hell of a lot worse to any generic nuker and has no inherent upsides over one. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 08:34, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Just leave it, its trash anyways... ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   10:49, 2 November 2008 (EST)

General Coding Issues

Coding refers to any issue or bug that needs to be dealt with by a Server Administrator (Gcardinal or Hhhippo). See resolved issues here. PvXcode related issues have their own section below.

Rating Page Lock

We need a way to lock rating pages from additions and removals(Like a page protection). Also useful for archived builds, to keep the rating page unchanged. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   16:53, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Recent Changes

The RSS and Atom feeds don't work. ¬ Klumpeet 15:45, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Trial Builds

Is there a reason a huge number of them aren't showing up in Special:GraceExpired? — Rapta Rapta Icon1.gif (talk|contribs) 17:26, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Fixed. Was a bug in the script. – HHHIPPO ‹sysop› 17:08, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Possible Name-Server Issue

On my current computer, www.pvxwiki.com doesnt load. I thought the system was down, so i pinged. Ping was successful, and more importantly pvxwiki.com(no WWW) did work. Normally a nameserver issu develops from the opposite problem(www is necessary to a successful load).19px--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 11:03, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

I didnt try just pvxwiki.com but from around 9:00 to 12:00 PvX didnt work for me at all. Did the server crash? I is *Jebus*IAmJebussig3.jpgEnter my contest! 12:50, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
The PvX server was rebooted several times between 8:25 and 11:00 EDT today. Gcardinal was working on some networking issues, you'd have to ask him for details. – HHHIPPO ‹sysop› 15:26, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

This and This

They are the same thing (the first is just the code for the 2nd link), but the idea is the little search bar in the top right corner of firefox (at least for me), but one for PvX. I think we could easily modify that to make ourselves one, but idk about the copying or implementation. Frvwfr2 btw, logged out to test the search function. ~~ Frvwfr2 16:14, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

New idea, since GWW and GW have one, we could just ask Poke for help. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   16:15, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Poke tells me that it is a feature of a later version of MediaWiki, but idk if that's an option what with all the custom stuff or w/e. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   14:45, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
I already asked for a searchplugin for the browser toolbar; Armond replied that it wasn't the best way to search pvx, but to stay tuned for some new feature for searching pvx (but apprently unrelated to what you and I asked for). The xml coding of a searchplugin seems trivial, but I discovered no administrative interest in it. The fact that this server is not running the newest versions of all software is discouraging; I think that using the newest versions of everything couldn't hurt in making this site more hacker-resistant. --War Pig5 18:25, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
Keep in mind that there are a whopping two people with server access, both of whom have busy real lives, and that upgrading software is time-consuming (especially the mediawiki software, since we have so much customized content). ~Wizardboy in comp lab too lazy to actually log in 17:18, 14 October 2008 (EDT)


Is it possible to upload a font. A certain font on my computer is different on pvx.--XCrossfire Godlysig.png14 20:44, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Not entirely sure what you're asking, but if you want to change the font on PvX, you can go to Special:Mypage/monobook.css and add body { font-family:"blah"; } But I have a feeling that's not what you're asking, so clarify please. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 18:51, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
i think he's talking about the font families. like Times New Roman and that stuff. CABOSE(LVPoW)"Hey chicka bum bum!" 19:07, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
As far as I know, all fonts are user-side only; that is, I could set the font in my sig to Times New Roman, but if I didn't have Times New Roman installed on my computer, the browser would just revert to the default font. Similarly, I could be a pro and make up my own font family that no one else has and use it for my sig; in that case, my browser would recognize and use it just fine, but everyone else's browsers wouldn't recognize it and revert to their browsers' default fonts instead. --Mafaraxas (talk) 19:33, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
Meh like for example if i created my own font, is it possible to load said font into pvx, and for multiple users to use it and it would display correctly on their browsers.--XCrossfire Godlysig.png14 20:36, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
As long as the people you care about have the font on their computer, it would work, and there wouldn't be any need for you to upload the font to PvX. I don't think PvX even has the capability for users to upload anything other than images. If you want to get the font to your friends, just upload the font file to a third party file sharing site, then tell your friends to download from there and copypasta into their font folder. --Mafaraxas (talk) 22:13, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
Or just use images or universally-friendly fonts. Cedave bad.png ツ cedave (contributionsbuildpage) 22:52, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Forum links

Could possibly get some coding to link to the forums for specific builds? For example, if in the article, there is some code such as "forums=(URL)" then it would add a link to the top. Is this possible? We could just make a template and add it to these pages I guess. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   12:50, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Display issues with Safari Browser

Well, I recently downloaded the new Safari browser and i like it a lot. However, there seems to be some kind of display issue with PvX. The navigation bar that is supposed to appear on the left hand side of each article is just a blank white area and the links from that are pushed down to the very bottom of the page below the white area. Could be something to do with my computer, but can someone else using safari confirm? Thanks Peter 02:58, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Yea, the sidebar links are getting pushed down below the article body on every page. I'll look into it and see if I can change the css or something to fix it if I have time. Hhhippo might know how to fix it. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 17:44, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
Nothing I've tried fixes it. It's entirely possible it's a safari bug. But if anyone else who knows some css wants to try to figure it out, here's a summary of what I tried:
  1. Reducing the width of the article body and/or sidebar just leaves a bigger gap between them.
  2. Changing the white-space:nowrap in the h4, h5, and h6's for .portlet to white-space:normal removes the big section of whitespace, and the sidebar looks normal... except that it's still shoved down below the article.
  3. Changing the border, padding, and margin for .portlet and #pBody did nothing.
I tried more than this, but I don't remember it all. Also, guildwiki, GWW, and wikipedia all look normal in Safari. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 18:26, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
Confirmed, no other wikis seem to be having this issue. Peter 07:53, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
Opera, IE, Firefox, and Chrome all load the wiki fine. I'm guessing it's a rendering issue in Safari. If you want, I could try to write up a CSS that'll fix it for just you that you can put in your monobook. Cedave bad.png  ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 20:24, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
If it was a rendering issue would it not an effect on the other wikis? Its not a huge problem by an stretch of the imagination, just a bit inconvenient. I will contact apple and see what they say....Peter 04:26, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
Well, all I can get out of apple is that its not a Safari browser problem.....back to using firefox i go lol. Peter 02:46, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

PvXcode Issues

Coding issues related to PvXcode. See also PvXwiki talk:PvXcode. Resolved issues are moved here.

Please do not leave posts about skills not being up to date, we don't change the descriptions.

Dash and Expertise

Expertise doesn't reduce the energy cost of dash. See Build:R/A Exhausting Assault Ranger|here. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 17:48, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Expertise isn't meant to reduce energy cost of Dash (see what expertise effects; Ranger skills, attack skills, touch skills and binding rituals). /FrosTalk\ 18:01, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
That's... wow. They changed it back in October of 2006, and I never noticed XD I still thought it affected all non-spell skills :P ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 19:06, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
"For each rank of Expertise, the Energy cost of all of your attacks, Rituals, touch skills and Rangers skills are decreased by 4%." Just FYI, from GWW. --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 19:14, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
An admin that's two years out of date, you need an update :P /FrosTalk\ 21:18, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
The funny thing is, I probably would have noticed if my suggestion below was implemented :P ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 23:31, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
Ironic or what ;) /FrosTalk\ 23:34, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Mouse-over Attribute descriptions

Would it be possible to have mousing over an attribute display the in-game description of that attribute? ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 17:48, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I agree with the idea, surely it could use the same wiki code or whatever as the ratings? When you hover over Innovation it gives you a description of it, surelt it could be done for attributes? /FrosTalk\ 07:59, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
I was thinking about that. It would be nice (especially when calculating things like Expertise and Critical Strikes). --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 07:59, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Hex Breaker

Build:Team - HB Blackout Spike, in the optional list it says it lasts 65s@10. However, it is actually 55 in game. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   10:26, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

A lot of skills haven't been updated on PvX since the split between PvP and PvE skills, I'm not sure what PvX is going to do to show the difference between the skills in PvP and PvE. Byakko 02:59, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Hex breaker isn't a split pve/pvp skill, nor has its duration been changed recently. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 03:34, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Well this Wiki uses historic Skill Data (Back from March 2008) which was way before the Splitting and therefore a skill doesnt need to have been changed recently in order to be displayed wrong here. And thats not the only issue here 07:58, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
Ah, you're right (/doh) I also saw the note about asking about updates above so I guess is best to manually crosscheck wiki's to be sure sorry WB ^^ Byakko 19:20, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Health Sacrifice

The fact that health sacrificed doesn't show up in the skill mouseover is kind of annoying. Is there any hope that it will be added? --CJNyfalt 17:35, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

I believe that that is GWshack's task, might be wrong though. Brandnew. 17:36, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
See here. Either gwshack is not up to date or <pvxbig> is not compatible. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 19:27, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
It's a pvxcode problem. gwshack shows sacrifice costs as part of the skill cost now. ~ ZamaneeJinnSig.jpgZamanee(point out my idiocy) 19:37, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Chilling Victory

Just to bring to attention, the Chilling Victory now has 2 different attribute lines based on PvE and PvP. So it might be something you guys should be able to handle or not. Huynh Sanity 00:05, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

We haven't gotten any split PvE/PvP skills working yet :( We'll figure it out (eventually) ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 00:52, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
I'm wondering if it's time to start to put some restrictions on builds being tagged for both PvE and PvP. Maybe adding a type=pve or type=pvp option to PvX code would be the solution? --CJNyfalt 01:34, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
I think the cleanest solution lies in the creation of a skill database on PvX. Last I checked, it was ~80% done; we're waiting on a new test server. Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG *Defiant Elements* +talk 01:36, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
For the time being, can't we just use a [Chilling Victory@<insert rank in wind prayers>] for CV? 19pxAce (LVPoW) 00:39, 12 July 2008 (EDT)
Yes, you can, but that only works in this case. Most other split skills didn't just have their attribute changed :( ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 00:39, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
Aww beat me to itPuneY 00:37, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
PvP/PvE changes are fixed now? [1] for proof. Look at Watch yourself and look at PvP version of it. 19pxAce(LVPoW) 19:52, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Missing Build

Erm, not sure if anyone has noticed, but while I was setting up my competition, I noticed no A/P builds, I am certain there was a Dark Apostasy Spear build vetted on the wiki, it was in Other, but I thought it may have been archived, but not there, does anyone have any light on such an issue, of builds just dissapearing, it was similiar to this User:Saint/Build:A/P_Spear_Of_Disenchantment Frosty No U! 14:38, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

I think it was slowly unfavoured, although it should have been archived. It used Remedy Signet instead of Assassin's Remedy (which was a bad choice) and something else instead of Wearying Strike. ــмıкεнaшк 14:42, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

These are the deleted A/P builds that are still in our database. If you can find a bored admin, he might look them through to restore and archive the one you're missing. Build:A/PCritical_Conditions, Build:A/P_Anthemous_Assassin, Build:A/P_Assachucher, Build:A/P_Assassin's_Fury, Build:A/P_Assassin's_Weariness, Build:A/P_CA_Assassin, Build:A/P_Commanding_Assassin, Build:A/P_Condition_Sin, Build:A/P_Crip_Anthem_Sin, Build:A/P_Crippling_Anthem_Assassin, Build:A/P_Crit_Spear, Build:A/P_Crit_Spear_Disenchanter, Build:A/P_Critcal_Spear, Build:A/P_Critical_Conditions, Build:A/P_Critical_Fury, Build:A/P_Critical_Harpooner, Build:A/P_Critical_Shouter, Build:A/P_Critical_Spear, Build:A/P_Critical_Spear_Sin, Build:A/P_Critical_Spears, Build:A/P_Defensive_Spear, Build:A/P_Disenchanting_spear, Build:A/P_Falling_Blades, Build:A/P_Falling_blades, Build:A/P_Fox's_Promise_Spearchucker, Build:A/P_Infection_of_Fury, Build:A/P_Merciless_Fox, Build:A/P_Mighty_Sinspear, Build:A/P_Mighty_Spearsin, Build:A/P_Multi_Target_Striker, Build:A/P_Pressure_Spear, Build:A/P_PvE_Critical_Spear-chucker, Build:A/P_Repeating_Lotus, Build:A/P_Seeping_Critical_Daggers, Build:A/P_Seeping_Criticals, Build:A/P_Shattering_Weakness, Build:A/P_Shuriken_Assassin, Build:A/P_Siphon_Spear_Shrine_Capper, Build:A/P_Spear_Assassin, Build:A/P_Spear_of_Apostasy, Build:A/P_Stunning_Assassin, Build:A/P_Way_of_the_Repeating_Critical, Build:A/P_Way_of_the_Spear – HHHIPPO ‹sysop› 17:19, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Anyone with Disenchantment/Dark Apostasy/Anything to do with a DA Spear Sin would be it, the CA Assassin was mine :D Frosty No U! 17:23, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Where u want it. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:25, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Don't worry, Dont got it. Frosty No U! 17:28, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
We are discussing if it should be archived. I dont think it should, as it was never meta. Copy paste or move it to your userspace, and then we/I will delete it. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:29, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
It was vetted in November, and went unfavourewd in May, Archive imo, it just fell out of favour, that's what happens to some builds that get archived. Frosty No U! 17:33, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
It was never in favor tho. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:35, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Since it wasn't really meta and we already have tons of archived builds, it will be deleted after all. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 17:44, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Deleted. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:45, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
It was Build:A/P_Crit_Spear_Disenchanter. It had been in the Other or Good category, then a couple people rated it down to have it trashed. I'm pretty sure we only archive Good and Great builds, though, so it was deleted as it should have been. That contest version would be an improvement, though. =P ــмıкεнaшк 21:44, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Boss Builds Category

Template Codes

I see template codes such as this. Build:Team - SFway PvE#4 SF Hex Removers CABOSE(LVPoW)"Hey chicka bum bum!" 20:41, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

It's because it is E/any while it has Cure Hex on his bar. Thunda Sig 2.jpgThunda 20:43, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Leadership glitch?

<pvxbig> [build prof=Para/War leadership=0+3]["Go for the Eyes!"][Watch Yourself!][Save Yourselves!][Save Yourselves! (Luxon)]["There's Nothing To Fear!"][/build] </pvxbig> Energy is shown for GftE and WY, but not SY. ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) Cuz Steve said so... ツ 16:04, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

i'm inclined to think that's more a GWBBcode thing than our end (could be wrong). PheNaxKian Sysop 16:38, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
Probably some Kurzick rank thingy that doesnt show up in PvX bar that affects leadership. I is *Jebus*IAmJebussig3.jpgEnter my contests! 17:54, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
nope. same with luxon. ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) Cuz Steve said so... ツ 18:03, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
Doesn't work with TNTF, must be something to do with pve skills. Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 18:06, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
(EC)hmm it might be linked to the PvE rank. even if you put @3 it doesn't change anything (it doesn't even show what the duration should be). Just leave it a while, Hippo or GCard will see this eventually, amd if it's our code they'll fix it. If it's GWBBcode, i've left GCard a message asking him to update to the new version (with their being a new version) hopefully it's been fixed in that version. if not then just tough I guess =p, not much we can do. PheNaxKian Sysop 18:09, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
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