PvXwiki:Admin noticeboard/Resolved Build-Specific Issues/Archive 26

D/any EDA PvE Scythe (talk · rate)

...How are these bad attack skills? --*Wah Wah Wah!* 19:44, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   19:58, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Actually it's still there. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 05:49, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Second mention, all votes there currently are completely wrong. These are the best (and standard) attacks for PvE, no self heal is irrelevent, and no on Rends you in PvE or whatever. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 08:31, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Rt/any Reclaim Spirits (talk · rate)

Ikimono's vote is outdated to when it was tagged for RA, now it's for pve. Sent him a notice but did not get a response. Take a look at it thx :D PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 16:02, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Vote removed. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 04:04, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Team_-_Condition_Pressure (talk · rate)

Lukejohnson talks about stopping the humsig, but, humsig in condipressure was always for the LoD, not the RC. RC cant counter condipressure, it dies after what, 10 casts on recharge? that bar is just horridly outdated/humsig is now just a great utility skill.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 22:39, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

WTF are you on? Condition pressure always humil the RC.--GoldenStar 02:06, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Vote has been removed. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 04:03, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Team - Prepared Turrets Ranger Spike (talk · rate)

Unintelligible author vote--GoldenStar 02:06, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Vote removed. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 04:02, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

User just replaced his vote--GoldenStar 20:13, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

A/R Incendiary Crit (talk · rate)

Votes are no longer accurate. Selket Shadowdancer 05:09, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Me/Rt Simple Thievery Shutdown (talk · rate)

Power Leak added instead of Power Lock. Votes mentioning the lack of P-leak should be removed. Also votes comparing this to P-block are flatout wrong. They both have their cons and pros. --¬H4xx Master Gladius 08:14, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Lack-of-PLeak votes have been removed. Power Block comparisons are valid opinions unless you have a strong argument against the concept. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 04:01, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

N/A Touching Aura (talk · rate)

I know its not the best build but it doesnt deserve a .8 and rikuno's vote makes no sense and is stupid. --Angelus(stalk|contribs) 11:22, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

It's not up to you to decide what a build "deserves". The vote in question has been removed for lack of reasoning. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 03:57, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Team - Post-nerf Ursanway (talk · rate)

Alleskapot's vote is nothing but a flame. It adds nothing to the discussion and has no basis in fact, only opinion. Crimson 14:49, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

There's no flaming in the vote, but it has been removed due to lack of relevant reasoning. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 03:58, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Team - Paragon Condition Shutdown (talk · rate)

lol, sorry to bring this up again, but the votes of Cato Aetius (lacks reasoning), Psychiatric Consultant (I left a message on his talk, so he might change it), Hole (it has D-Shot, Daze, other interrupts and Blackout, whereas the new Build:Team_-_GvG_Dual_Ranger_Condition_Pressure only has conditional Daze+interrupts), MrMetalFlower (builds aren't meant to stand on their own completely, that's why we make team builds, and splitting has become less important, anyway), GoD (I left a message on his page because I updated the build according to his vote) and Froggerton (lacks reasoning). ــмıкεнaшк 22:49, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 12:53, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

A/E Perma-SF Daggers Farmer (talk · rate)

Jjberks. long story short, i voted low on his build:W/E Conjure Hundred Hamstrings‎ so he went to a build of "mine" and vote it all 0's.--reason.decrystallized In real life, pokemons would be used as sex toys. 23:28, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

k. --    Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   01:12, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Jiberks vote gives absolutely no reasoning, it's a rant, not a vote, regardless of numbers. I brought this up on his talk page but so far it has been ignored. Selket Shadowdancer 20:21, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Nvm he changed it as soon as I posted this, lol. Selket Shadowdancer 20:24, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

W/E Conjure Hundred Hamstrings (talk · rate)

my low vote here prompted the low vote i complained about above. i discussed some on talk page, but i think that the 5e votes might be a tad high. just a tad. a smidgen, really.--reason.decrystallized In real life, pokemons would be used as sex toys. 23:28, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

The page has been redirected to another page; there are only two low votes and no high votes. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 03:57, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Team - AB Manlyway (talk · rate)

Removal of my vote with absolutely no valid reasoning whatsoever. I'll keep reapplying my vote until a VALID reasoning is given. "Not manly enough" is not a valid reason, that's trolling. Selket Shadowdancer 08:17, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Oh right, feel free to revote then. --Tab Moo 08:19, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

I already did. Selket Shadowdancer 08:20, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

R/Me Extended Concussion Sniper (talk · rate)

Author requests a vote wipe. Build has been changed and has better energy management (the reason several votes were poor). Karate Jesus 20:14, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Mkkay. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   20:39, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

I think some votes need to be looked after. Extremely horrible energy along with no D-Shot and EC on a Ranger isn't viable at all. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 08:07, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Tab Smashed. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 08:09, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 08:10, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Team - AB Rangerway (talk · rate)

Skakid's vote does not give valid reasoning, have posted on discussion page but no response. --ιtокагџ ^ιѕ _ѕяѕ^вѕлѕ, мал 02:40, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Removed. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 05:45, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

A/Me Solo Assassin Farmer (talk · rate)

I took the liberty of unarchiving this and moving back into testing for a revote as all the other SF builds were unarchived. Please remove all votes for a fair re-test. Selket Shadowdancer 06:39, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Vote page has been refreshed. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 07:19, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

N/Rt Portable Cannon Healer (talk · rate)

moved to build talk page.--reason.decrystallized Shock is a costly interrupt. 20:02, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

E/any_Ele_KD_Lock_Down (talk · rate)

Full of bad votes, probably including mine. Brandnew. 19:53, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Please specify and explain votes that require immediate removal. If there is no factual inaccuracies, please discuss on the build talk page. The report is too ambiguous. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 03:57, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Some have been removed. --Tab Moo 12:28, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Rt/N_New_age_minion_bomber (talk · rate)

Stange votes. I don't think those 3 people ever played a minion bomber or ever saw one of them and copying eachothers votes. A bomber is almost always rit prime so that a strange comment already from someone who says it needs nec prime. And a bomber is made to deal immensive shockwaves to groups when needed. It isn't a MM that uses its minions to fight. It bombs and then it makes new minions for the next fight. The last comment from someone is that you haven't healing. Well i dunno but a bomber is defenetly not for soloing :Probertjan 03:14, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

You claim does not seem to refute any of their points, simply because what you're addressing here is irrelevant. Please keep discussion on the build's talk page. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 20:02, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

N/any Hybrid MoP MM (talk · rate)

Moloch's rating. Energy is fine and mentions needing self defense in a team game. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 03:37, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 12:27, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Me/Rt AoD Mesmer (talk · rate)

Hole's vote.--R e l y k 05:54, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Specify problem. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 08:57, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Elaboration on the reasoning requested. --Tab Moo 12:27, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

W/any Flourishing Stances (talk · rate)

Current build rating is not what a build like that deserves. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 07:54, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 12:24, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Me/Rt AoD Mesmer (talk · rate)

Auron's vote. AoD doesn't apply to cast time, it applies to duration. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 10:26, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 12:25, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

A/E Glimmering Essence (talk · rate)

terribad, but in trial and needs vote wipe.--reason.decrystallized In real life, pokemons would be used as sex toys. 14:14, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 14:36, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

W/any Cleave Warrior (talk · rate)

GoD, Zyber, Unexist. —SkaKid 23:20, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

If you're not going to bother to elaborate, we're not going to bother looking at it. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 02:09, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

P/any HA Adrenal Support (talk · rate)

Goldenstar's vote (reasoning) doesn't apply anymore now that SoC and "Make Haste!" were added. -- M☉ФƝL☥G♄T 00:36, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Removed -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 02:10, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

W/E Conjure Failure (talk · rate)

Massive cleaned the build up so i ask if someone can remove the votes since its ready to roll (the build looks scare, i know but the only scary thing is that it actually works) XiV 09:41, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Votes referring to no IMS / IAS / Strength has been removed. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 09:50, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

N/Rt Portable Cannon Healer (talk · rate)

Most of these votes need to be removed. Voters seem to be under the impression that this is some sort of MM build when it is clearly a support healer with utility offense. I'm not saying this is the greatest build in existence, but its not terrible, and it deserves fair votes from competent players. --Coloneh 13:30, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Opinions are valid and the debate is still ongoing. There is no need to remove any votes at this stage. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 00:11, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

many of the voters obviously fail to grasp the concept of the build. their current votes should be removed until they understand the build, then they can re-vote; even if their votes are still low.--24.183.42.77 03:30, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Many of the voters disagree with the concept of the build. No arbitrary removal of votes is required. There is a majority opposition against the build and forcing a re-vote is unlikely to make a difference to public opinion. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 07:53, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Im offended that you obviously didn't even look at the votes on the build. Shadowsin and Selket Shadowdancer (fre example) are obviously unaware that this is a hybrid build. are you telling me that votes that are clearly for an entirely different build should stay on the votes page?--Coloneh 17:32, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

It doesn't really make a difference. Those votes have valid points that were expressed more on the talk page. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:35, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

W/P Javilineer (talk · rate)

Terrible, nay utterly stupid votes. None of the voters seem to understand what the build is intended for, nor do they seem to get that GvG != RA != TA != CM. I don't imply that this particular build is supreme, but that it is exceedingly capable at its intended format. - 68.229.250.165 15:14, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Their opinions are valid unless you explain otherwise on the build Talk page. This isn't the place to complain about other people. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 00:07, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

A/E Shocksin (talk · rate)

votes and complaints on talk page of build. if i'm smoking shit just shoot me down, but in my experience it's been a very effective pressure/utility build.--reason.decrystallized Shock is a costly interrupt. 00:43, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Dialogue must take place before arbitration takes place. Posting "complaints" on the talk page and a notice here isn't different from complaining here. Discuss first. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 01:10, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

"posted complaints" yesterday and no one responded.--reason.decrystallized Shock is a costly interrupt. 01:12, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

1 day isn't really that much. Wait a bit longer. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 01:15, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

'k--reason.decrystallized Shock is a costly interrupt. 01:15, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

ok. i've talked to everyone involved on their talk pages. no one wants to change. if i'm smoking shit, nix my vote and i'll shut up about it. but i would appreciate an admin's opinion.--reason.decrystallized Shock is a costly interrupt. 22:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

While not everyone involved has taken a constructive role in the dialogue, their opinions are nonetheless within the bounds of reasonable opposition, and their votes are therefore valid. You are free to request a third opinion if this is unacceptable to you. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 00:01, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

the votes do not align with my experience with the build. if anyone wants to take another look at it, i would be appreciative.--reason.decrystallized Shock is a costly interrupt. 00:13, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Votes don't have to align with your experience, just as your experience doesn't have to align with anyone else's. That's a weak reason to request vote removal and/or third opinion. Other people's comments are no less valid than yours, and in some cases may have a wider perspective than what you alone may have. I used to think that Punishing-Distracting-Savage triple interrupt was the best thing a ranger could do, and I made it work very well, but there was a significant opposition to the idea -- and for good reason. You have voiced your disagreements, but you have not provided solid evidence to warrant the removal of the votes, and your reasoning is becoming weaker. I'm content with letting another admin/BM review this case, but in future this sort of request would be summarily overruled due to its self-centred nature. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 00:26, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

all right, how's this: i believe that the strong combination of high pressure damage, DW spam, and on-demand KD's create a very effective pressure character whose efficacy in the stated areas is flagrantly misrepresented by the majority of the votes, which either complain about lack of damage on a 300 damage chain with 4r and more importantly DW spam, ludicrously compare an arenas pressure build to a GvG ganker, fail completely to grasp the utility of on-demand KD, or believe that shock is to be spammed. while i readily admit to being over-protective of my builds (one of the reasons i hardly ever submit any, and rarely if ever move to testing), i honestly believe that the votes are in serious error and would request that they be reviewed/removed by an admin. that's as strong as i can make the argument. now i am done, and will abide by whatever decision is rendered.--reason.decrystallized Shock is a costly interrupt. 00:39, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

I agree. While the build is not 5-5-5 material, it is definitely not 1-1-0 either. When in RA, chaining two nearly unstoppable KDs and spamming high damage attacks when you have half competent team that will follow calls almost always kills. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 01:31, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

(RI)This is not the place to discuss the build. Please do so on the Build talk page. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 03:09, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

I have removed two votes due to lack of clear reasoning and elaboration. The two remaining votes are, to my interpretation, valid criticisms of the build and consistent in rating. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 03:19, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

I concur. I also like talking on the admin noticeboard. rąʂKƴɖooƿɭɘş 05:00, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Me/any Wastrel's Vision Spike (talk · rate)

Moved back into Trial, requries vote wipe. I is *Jebus*Enter my contest! 12:50, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:36, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

N/E Life Transfer Alliance Battle Hexer (talk · rate)

Build has been substantially changed and is still a work in progress, requesting vote wipe, input (possible changes) and revoting. Moloch 20:21, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 20:23, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

P/E Conjured Fury (talk · rate)

One vote by User:Archer_Brick is all zero's and far out of reality compared to other voters. For example, he indicated there are useless skills and no synergy, when its clear in the build that each skill has its purpose and 4 of the 7 skills synergize well. Feedback left on user's page. Please consider removing this vote. Thanks. -Veraci 20:27, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Vote removed. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 23:06, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Thanks Scottie. I've reviewed the additional ratings and feedback and have reworked the bar. Also moved it back to Testing, so if the ratings can be wiped I'd appreciate it. -Veraci 15:01, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Vote wiped. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 05:32, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

D/N Orders Flagger (talk · rate)

There have been some major changes to GvG, so the votes might need a look at, because the viability of the build might have changed since. There are a lot of other builds left that may need some review for the same reasons. ــмıкεнaшк 20:54, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Please tag those builds with the appropriate templates and keep this kind of discussion on the build's talk page. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 23:35, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

A/D Heavy promise (talk · rate)

No reason to well it. It isn't a dupe cause half the build is diffrent and it isn't inferior i would say since the other build has no IAS and cripple and thats needed in PVP if you're melee (thats also the reason why some of the other melee builds i made got bad rated since they didn't had those things. Its a bit strange to me why that build which don't have those would be better now then my build which has them.)robertjan 05:36, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

The Crit Wounder has IMS/Mobility (Dash/Shadow Walk), IAS (by using the fast attacks), Blind Immunity (Assa's Remedy). Granted, it lacks a snare. --› Srs Beans R Srs 05:40, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Mine has also Assassin's Remedy now so that leaves that his build hasn't cripple and mine has. So it isn't that inferion adn its not a dupe so what is it? Cause i prefer cripple above teleport which gives 1 sec disable :Probertjan 06:17, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Variants are good. --Frosty 06:24, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Why didn't you do that with http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:W/D_Enduring_Scythe_PvP instead of making http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:W/D_Enduring_Damage_Scythe then? You only had to give it a stance skill and it was done but because that GoD didn't want that you just placed the original build in archive....I say if this build is inferior to the excisting one the excisting one needs to be archived like you did with other builds like the enduring one...robertjan 06:37, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Team - GvG Smiting Heroway (talk · rate)

The users voting low seem to have a grudge against the build for being lame. —SkaKid 11:24, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Ye. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   11:52, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

R/N Expert's Dexterity Turret (talk · rate)

Vote whipe+deletion. Its a dupe of a build i made 7 days before it. My build was in trail and only one skill is diffrent. This guy copied, changed 1 skill with the second prof and just placed it in testing. I placed my verion in testing now since my build has the rights to recieve the votes (because it took me time to make it). I had also builds that where in testing, but where delted because there was already one made before in trail even if they had already votes on it. Other people should've noticed this but i think they didn't. robertjan 04:26, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Article Ownership. There is no "your" build and "his" build there is only builds, and if we get more than one build that's basically a dupe then we keep only one; in this case the build you linked above. Godbox 10:17, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

W/D Enduring Damage Scythe (talk · rate)

meemu91. srsly.--reason.decrystallized Needs moar mending. 15:22, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

K. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   15:49, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Mo/A_Smiting_Bull (talk · rate)

Alphawolf0019. I is *Jebus*Enter my contest! 18:19, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 18:22, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

R/Rt_Oath_Spirit_Spam (talk · rate)

Very few ratings explain why they think it is good. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 02:35, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Can you please be more specific? — Rapta (talk|contribs) 22:29, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

D/N The Regenerator (talk · rate)

vote on stub build. left note on talk page of voter.--reason.decrystallized Mending pwnz0rs teh DoA. 09:39, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Vote removed. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 10:17, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

P/Mo_Energy_Support_Paragon (talk · rate)

at least half the votes reference its performance in AB, CM, and GvG when it is tagged only for general pve, where, incidentally, BiP kicks its ass.--reason.decrystallized Mending pwnz0rs teh DoA. 10:19, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Removed votes referring to AB, CM and GvG. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 10:42, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

A/D_Onslaught_Assassin (talk · rate)

Crossfire--The Gates Assassin 13:39, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 13:41, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Votes regarding energy issues should be removed as well (Falling Lotus Strike put into main bar). --*Wah Wah Wah!* 13:44, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Mmm. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   13:49, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Cedaves vote: "Spike doesn't rely on enchantments to function." Onslaught is an enchantment and you need an enchantment for the Deep Wound/IAS/IMS etc. Debatable, but I thought I'd bring it up. Selket Shadowdancer 14:42, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

It still works w/o an enchant. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   15:11, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

(EC'd)Also, Zephyr's and Ska's votes. @ Grenth's Grasp Assassin. My point was the chain can get off without relying on enchantments. Anything using Harrier's Haste has the same weakness as this build. ツ cedave (contributions☆buildpage) 15:15, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Mo/W Shouting Smiter (talk · rate)

All votes mention VoD. Purge/archive? --71.229 15:48, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 18:45, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

W/R Never Battle Rage Alone (talk · rate)

NRA and BR updates made some votes outdated. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 18:41, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Tab Smash successful. --Tab Moo 18:43, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

R/Mo Melandru's Shot Ranger (talk · rate)

I have come to the conclusion that over 99% of the PvX Wiki population, are simply terrible at the game (or just stupid beyond my comprehension). All votes should be deleted, with the exception of my own and skakid's (although he gave no reason, his mind is at least in the right place). Thanks in advance. --Readem 22:22, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Lol. Votes wiped. A BM should take care of the rest. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 22:28, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

It turns out that you are right and I am absolutely terrible at gw. Revoted. --Tab Moo 06:37, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Removed mine and Frvs votes. Leaving it for now, I'll revote later. --Tab Moo 06:57, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

A/D Grasping Skull Strike (talk · rate)

A lot of votes refer to a snare (Harrier's Grasp), although it has been removed from the build. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 06:13, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 06:40, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Team - DoA Fast Full Runs (talk · rate)

Jebus. Check My/His talk page for inf/reasons. I will however give some right here: It deserves higher effectiveness, it clears in less than 2 hours. According to him because Ritway is "Better" the effectiveness of this build is high. -- Nature 18:01, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 06:37, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Team - HA Wellway (talk · rate)

Goldenstar's vote. The build has been changed. I have left a message in his talkpage but if you see his contributions youll see that he hasnt been on since the 15th. I is *Jebus*Enter my contest! 00:26, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

N/D Meleemancer (talk · rate)

I get stupid votes on it saying it doesn't work. (2 votes atm) It's not an Ursan-like build, spamming a skill all the day. Indeed, it's quite hard to use correctly. But works and it happened more times Gelei 06:43, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

It doesn't work well. RA wins don't make it good. --Tab Moo 06:47, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Understand that winning streaks in RA don't necessarily equate to effectiveness due to the large variety in skill and build quality, as well as the likelihood of team members carrying you to victory. A good RA build needs to be consistent in good performance. We've had players here force Frenzy Healsig and even empty bars to work, but that doesn't mean they are good. The votes are valid and no arguments have been presented to prove otherwise. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 08:14, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Team - Luxon Jade Arena FFF (talk · rate)

Please remove the vote by Unreal Havoc as it is my old account. I will log out and re-log in on it (if it is still active) to prove this. Selket Shadowdancer 08:43, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Proof. Unreal Havoc 08:45, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Checkuser shows it's right, so removed. --Tab Moo 08:45, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

I would hope it's right, I'm not that dumb. :) If you find any other votes from this account please remove them so I can avoid any problems of accusation concerning sock puppetry in the future. Selket Shadowdancer 08:48, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

That was just a general statement for admins etc. You should ask for that account to be permabanned. --Tab Moo 08:50, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

I did ask for the account to be removed/deleted/etc when I made this one. I don't think permabanning solves anything though as votes by the old account will still need to be removed if I'm not mistaken. Selket Shadowdancer 09:04, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Permabanning is so that further edits can't be made. If you want your old votes removed completely (it's pretty unlikely that I'll notice every vote it ever made and think to remove it), you could just log onto it, go to UserRatings and delete them all. --Tab Moo 09:09, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Ok, I'll go do that, thanks. Selket Shadowdancer 09:23, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

D/E Obsidian Dervish (talk · rate)

Coloneh... I is *Jebus*Enter my contest! 12:34, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

R/N_Expert's_Dexterity_Turret (talk · rate)

Severely overrated. It lacks survivability, which has been a virtue for Rangers. The spike is outclassed by Glass Arrows+Brutal Weapon/Conjure and Lightning Reflexes and the voters' lack reasoning (the rush after the update, of course), and what little reasoning they have is wrong. Overall, the spike is just meh (but inferior to others) while the DPS is of that same calibre of a Paragon. ــмıкεнaшк 16:03, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

This isn't your typical Ranger. This is basically a Turret, and Turrets aren't known for being able to run around everywhere and survive. They're known for going pew-pew and DPS'ing shit. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 16:05, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Still, Glass Arrows is stronger, and the votes are bad. XD ــмıкεнaшк 16:05, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

...No. Votes are fine, this is irrelevant. Anyway, seems more a Talk page discussion. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 16:06, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

On the up side, it actually uses Expert's Dexterity the way it's supposed to be used. ツ cedave (contributions☆buildpage) 16:23, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

This belongs on the talk page. No vote wipe is needed at this point. Please refrain from calling large-scale vote wipes without prior discussion. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 05:02, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Team_-_DA_Way (talk · rate)

Goldenstar. Being an inexperienced player =/= playing other inexperienced players. Oh, and CoFing DA is on a skill level equivalent to getting your secondary in presear.File:Dark0805 Piplup.jpg--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 01:37, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

kk. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   20:16, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Mo/Me HB Selfless Spam (talk · rate)

Ace's vote, before the change in e-management. CABOSE(LVPoW)_{"Hey chicka bum bum!"} 15:05, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

done PheNaxKian Sysop 15:27, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Rt/P Ritugon (talk · rate)

Armond zzz --Frosty 08:48, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

voted while a stub. Removed. PheNaxKian Sysop 10:36, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

D/W Wounding Strike Toolbox Dervish (talk · rate)

Votes mention Reaper's Sweep, now uses WS. Misfate /wave 19:54, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

they were just made yesterday. give them another day to change their votes, and if they don't, leave a discuss on build's talk. if they still don't, then report to AN. CABOSE(LVPoW)_{"Hey chicka bum bum!"} 19:56, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Wiped. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   14:38, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

The_Regenerator (talk · rate)

my vote. was testing something. tried to delete/edit it but i couldn't. CABOSE(LVPoW)_{"Hey chicka bum bum!"} 15:58, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

done. PheNaxKian Sysop 16:07, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

what happened to the other removed votes? and also you didn't vote it either. CABOSE(LVPoW)_{"Hey chicka bum bum!"} 16:10, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

other removed votes are still there (for me anyway) unless i'm not understanding what you're saying. Also, I voted on it a while ago. PheNaxKian Sysop 16:13, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Basically, if a build doesn't exist, it defaults to that page of votes for a non-existant build. It's a well-known issue that's been around for a long time. The joke is that the build can any combination of skills so it can be the most overpowered build in the game with infinite adaptability and no counters. Ever. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɭuƿƿɭɘş ɱᶗƿıƿɭuƿ 09:22, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

P/any Flesh Wound Paragon (talk · rate)

This build has a number of high ratings based on "It's just a Flesh Wound!" providing a source of Deep Wound to spread. With the change to that elite the build's functionality and effectiveness has changed drastically, and some of the votes need to be removed that don't take its new behavior into account (I believe the last few refer to the new version but the older ratings are all outdated) -Binary 16:39, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

I was incorrect, none of the ratings seem to reflect the new functionality of "It's just a Flesh Wound!" so I think they all need to be cleared due to that modification. -Binary 17:07, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

A/E Boris The Spider (talk · rate)

I'm so good, I forget to post what I want to say. Anyway, either that, or A/E Boris the Spider is a build from forever ago. If I could get it moved t User:Cedave/Boris the Spider, that'd be great. ツ cedave (contributions☆buildpage) 16:54, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

There's no history for the article you linked. -Auron 17:02, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Try Build:A/E Boris the Spider maybe. It's there, or at least it should be. Grinch wrote a poem for it, even, which sparked the build. ツ cedave (contributions☆buildpage) 17:22, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Its not. I checked it earlier... ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   20:05, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

/sad Oh well. T_T ツ cedave (contributions☆buildpage) 21:13, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Hhhippo cleaned out some of the older archives to reduce db size, and I don't know how the whole database revert affected that, but the list in Special:Undelete is a lot smaller than I remember and a search for the word "Boris" turns up nothing. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 23:14, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Team - Perma SF/SS UW (talk · rate)

DervishPale94's vote. i even said--on the same fecking page--to read the goddam usage this time.--reason.decrystallized I frenzy-healsig. 23:22, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

K. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   15:04, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

D/Me Midnight Blackout (talk · rate)

Frosty Misunderstands the build. Mainly because the elite can be switched.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 19:49, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

what happens when the r/p uses remedy signet or antidote signet and then hits the derv with disrupting? It provides some annoyance, but it's not that good. also, this is the 3rd time i noted you haven't put a vote removal on the build's discussion page. which is also where the rest of the discussion should go. CABOSE(LVPoW)_{"Hey chicka bum bum!"} 19:58, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

...Dont be an admin... Nobody cares about talk pages, nobody responds to talkpages. MMk.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 20:01, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

You should still try. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   20:07, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Anyway the build isnt focused around the elite (which should be changed) its based around the fact that the foe cant do shit for 5 seconds while you BBpwn them.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 20:11, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

his vote is valid for now as it has SoM. change it, and again, future discussion should go on the build's talk, not here. CABOSE(LVPoW)_{"Hey chicka bum bum!"} 20:13, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

If no one responds on the talk page, report here. This is not the first port of call. Failure to comply will result in arbitrary report removals, and continual disruption will result in temporary bans. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 06:34, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Team - Moebius Fury (talk · rate)

zzz trial votes zzz... imo part of the confusion is that there are trial builds on the featured page, therefore users who are not familiar with the wiki may feel obliged to vote on them at inappropriate phases. I is *Jebus*Enter my contests! 23:39, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Votes have been removed. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 06:44, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Additionally, the Trial template now has an additional no-vote disclaimer. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 06:55, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Team - HA Condition Pressure (talk · rate)

Goldenstar, Massive. Goldenstar's vote was made when SoD monk was still Divert monk, "sig of humility begs for PD" is basically a counter to every signet mesmer and a good mesmer should know how to cancel it in time, BA has been changed to Incendiary, and "FF begs for a diversion" basically means that hes a bad necro.

Massive's vote is copy paste of goldenstars but with more reasoning, SoD<RC makes no sense when you have foul feast+plague sending, mediocre on conditions is wtf? 2 WS dervs, 1 IA+Apply, and a friggin tainter. I is *Jebus*Enter my contest! 21:03, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

K. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   06:30, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Revamped again, remove incorrect votes pl0x. I is *Jebus*Enter my contests! 16:09, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

N/Rt Fury Support (talk · rate)

i feel klomis vote isnt valid because he has grossly misintereted the build and compared it to one that is really different and has a different role. could sum 1 look over it That Twin Tom 15:28, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes it is different, but way better. Same role too, buffing melee. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   18:41, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

ok but still doesnt warrant a 2-2-X That Twin Tom 11:50, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

different people see things differently... so long as they can explain... CABOSE(LVPoW)_{"Hey chicka bum bum!"} 14:56, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

P/Me AoD Paragon (talk · rate)

Underwood's vote.--Shadow 00:01, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

Ok... Its valid, just needs more explanation. Rmed. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   06:36, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

N/Rt Putrid AoE Bomb (talk · rate)

Jebus's vote. You don't run with a MM, and if you're running out of energy on a PvE Necro, which you shouldn't unless you spam retartedly, then your game's broken. -- Guild of Deals 17:41, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. :D I is *Jebus*Enter my contests! 19:48, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

W/any Eviscerate Warrior (talk · rate)

guess who sees a 4 in universatility on one vote and a zero on innovation in another vote? Its minor but that build is one of the nazi voting builds, so whatev. I is *Jebus*Enter my contests! 19:46, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

Yep. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   21:09, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Team_-_HA_Rangerway (talk · rate)

Needs a votewipe. I've redone the build to close the weaknesses in it. Please go look. Thanks. Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 01:08, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

done. PheNaxKian Sysop 06:23, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

W/E_Raging_Thumper (talk · rate)

Has 5 votes and its in trial. Kamer (Talk|Contributions) 06:01, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Votes removed. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 06:31, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Team - HA Condition Pressure (talk · rate)

T'would appreciate removal of inaccurate votes, build has been updated. I is *Jebus*Enter my contests! 22:34, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Wiped it. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   12:06, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Team - Barrage/Pet (talk · rate)

Nazi voting ftw. I is *Jebus*Enter my contests! 15:04, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm confused. Unless those are all socks, what's the issue?   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 15:26, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

by nazi votes, he means 5-5 votes w/check. personally, i think it should only be on the joke voting page, but uh, then again, this is what avg. PvXers would do. CABOSE(LVPoW)_{"Hey chicka bum bum!"} 15:55, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

It's also B/P. If you get countered or wiped using B/P, ur doin it rong.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 16:00, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

nazi vote is strict 5-5 w/check, no exc. CABOSE(LVPoW)_{"Hey chicka bum bum!"} 16:01, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Not seein' ur point tbh. Read above for clarification.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 16:02, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

thought you were still confused.I'm confused. Unless those are all socks, what's the issue? CABOSE(LVPoW)_{"Hey chicka bum bum!"} 16:03, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Continued on your talk, unless you feel like moving this to the talk page, as it's become a discussion.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 16:17, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

E/Rt_Searing_Flames_Support (talk · rate)

Frosty is bad gogo.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 08:57, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

k. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   11:24, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Rt/any_Channeled_Strike (talk · rate)

Krazy Cats vote doesnt make sense since Channeled Strike isnt a spike and the 4 skills combined isnt 1 ether + XiV 13:07, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Doesn't matter, it's already tagged for deletion because it's a copy and paste job. Karate Jesus 13:08, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

lmao i need to buy glasses so i can notice it :] + XiV 13:09, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Team - HB Mind Shock (talk · rate)

ohwow basically all votes completely misunderstand build and 2 of them say that mind shock is bad on heroes when a hero isnt friggin using it. I is *Jebus*Enter my contests! 19:48, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Ok. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   21:33, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Team - AoE Hex Abuse (talk · rate)

Moved back to trial, Goldenstar's vote needs to be removed. Toraen (Talk/Contrib) 23:42, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Done PheNaxKian Sysop 16:06, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

A/N Locust's Pain (talk · rate)

The rates are all based on there being a better build when that is not the system defined in the rules. The rates should be based on the actual merit of the build and not the fact that something else does it better, which isn't even true (imo). I wish for you to review the rates and delete them as they are obviously biased and inaccurate. The build needs rated by people that actually test the build and not those that do not like the concept. Alphus Centurion 01:08, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Locust is a very very bad elite. Just speaking of it here on pvx is a sin.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 07:00, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Try the build before dissing it. This site is for "testing" ideas and keeping the good ones. No one seems to want to test the build and just rates it low based on the idea and not the function. No one that has commented or rated has actually tried the build or else they wouldn't be rating it 0's or saying it's bad. This build was designed to be completely original yet extremely effective. Alphus Centurion 11:23, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

All new authors are at the stage where they advise the members of PVX to test their builds. The truth is nobody will test it, if it does not look suitable.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 06:55, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, the fact is MS/DB has about the same attack rate as Locust's Fury, and has much higher damage with additional AoE. Thus, Locust's Fury will always be inferior. Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 07:13, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Keep it on the Talk, all. -- Guild of Deals 07:18, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

W/E Shock Axe (talk · rate)

Mizzouman, Skakid, etc. I thought he said he'd cut it out? -- Guild of Deals 07:21, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

in before close.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 13:25, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Me/E_Fast_Cast_Water (talk · rate)

Greatrabe.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 13:25, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Ok. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   14:52, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Me/any Regret Shutdown (talk · rate) and Me/any Visions of Regret Mesmer (talk · rate)

Have been merged here, they need to be deleted. --Frosty 04:43, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 05:57, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Team - HA Condition Pressure (talk · rate)

Lol revamped for about the 5th time. Wipe pl0x. Mostly goldenstars, as hes banned atm. Frosty i have asked to change. Btw the white font is to not mess up the TOC. I is *Jebus*Enter my contests! 23:54, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Doesn't this fall under one of the policies, where a build just keeps having minor changes made to it to avoid trash?   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 00:17, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

This is what the trial phase is for, sadly. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 07:26, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

I think this might be a case where PvX:EB might have to be brought into play. I mean, votes have been wiped.. at least 3 times? I'm not too sure, but I've seen this team build on here a number of times.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 11:54, 26 September 2008 (EDT)