Since I can't re-revert it I'll just say it here...it's not great, it's not meta, change it to something else.--Digit0lDigitalfear Sig.jpgQu33r 02:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe make some of the sins bring a different elite instead of so much Wounding Strike...with a 3 second recharge I'm sure there is more than enough deepwound/bleeding to go around...maybe have like 1 or 2 sins bring something else? also is 1 bonder going to be able to maintain 11 bonds? maybe replace 1 sin for another bonder? Also, whats the time difference between this build and Dual Discord way? is it worth it?--XdaC 04:00, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
I dont think you will make this vq with discord in 18 mins:)--GodFocused Anger.jpgKamil 12:14, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
HzH alliance does this more then DTSC. To us, it's "Great" and more of a "meta" build then DSC. Considering the fact we have 3 times more faction coming in everyday then the #2 (Altrumm) alliance. IxlKennylxl 13:50, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
Adac, it's possible that changing some of the assassin's elites would make this build faster, but I'm a huge fan of more generic builds because it makes it easier to recruit among pugs. The more specialized build that you have, the longer it'll take to form teams. Why take an extra couple minutes to form a team if you only save a couple minutes anyways? --Supernick530 13:57, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
You think WotA Sins would work too? Orphus 14:55, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
Also I went to Euro-French dis and there was no one there :( Orphus 16:00, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
Today is the first day that we are accepted PUGs if there is any. It's been less then 20 hours that this has been on PvX and someone changed it to Trail so less people will see it. IxlKennylxl 17:21, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
IMO: anything is better than DTSC....if you pug DTSC you're lucky if you get 50mins (you can dual discord it in ~49)(but just for now im going to pretend discord doesn't exist while discussing this build lol)...but 45 minutes is listed as fastest speed in MTSC...I would take the slowest speed into effect because not everyone will do this flawlessly every run. (As well as knowing most people, the average run time speed is actually somewhere around 46minutes...but to make thsi seem better they just subtracted a few minutes from the actual average run time to include "Faster teams" (because imo a 5min gap seems a bit much to be "average"). I'm interested in going on a few runs with you guys if possible, to see if there is anything I might be able to suggest that may help =)--XdaC 18:33, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
The build was changed back to trial because builds here are vetting by our community, not yours. 17:33, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
When do you guys normally do this? I'd like to join in, if possible (I'm a sin). Orphus 19:10, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
We are doing this with two WotA sins to split in certain areas and reduce the time about five minutes. I am getting 20-22 minutes runs all the time with a reward of aprox 22k. Defenitely better than DTSC. Only problem is that I get groups only thru the ally chat of HzH ally, well problem for pugs not for me :). And yeah for our ally this is definetively our meta.-- 04:13, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Holy Crap

Wow nice guys i've tried this over and over again it's amazing exept i've made my own few changes to make it more useable and attainable for myself and ally. PS hzh ally watch out the #3 ally is gonna start to take over your little town XD


Has quite a long recharge, Is it worth it or do you just drop in certain spots? Zedone2 10:45, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


just keep in mind that you cant try this build with SPQR. they're all lame flamers that dont like other people. 16:35, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

15 Minute Run

It seems possible to do this faster than DTSC and get more Faction: [1] A 15 minute run is not bad.