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::::::BMs remove bad/wrong votes. [[User:Crazycow013|<b><font face="Tekton Pro Ext" color="darkblue">crazy</font></b>]][[Image:Cow.png]][[User_talk:Crazycow013|<b><font face="Tekton Pro Ext" color="orange">cow</font></b>]] 17:54, 21 January 2009 (EST)
 
::::::BMs remove bad/wrong votes. [[User:Crazycow013|<b><font face="Tekton Pro Ext" color="darkblue">crazy</font></b>]][[Image:Cow.png]][[User_talk:Crazycow013|<b><font face="Tekton Pro Ext" color="orange">cow</font></b>]] 17:54, 21 January 2009 (EST)
 
::::::{{ec}}No. Goldenstar is a fucking BM, meaning WE chose HIM to CORRECTLY remove shitty (very wrong) votes. He's not abusing his power. Talk to any decent player on PvX (Ska, Auron, Frosty, Reason, Gringo, maybe even Infested, just name some who voted on this), and they will agree that this is a terrible build. --[[Image:Tai_Sig.png]] '''<small style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Tai|<font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">17:56, 21 January 2009</font>]]</small>'''
 
::::::{{ec}}No. Goldenstar is a fucking BM, meaning WE chose HIM to CORRECTLY remove shitty (very wrong) votes. He's not abusing his power. Talk to any decent player on PvX (Ska, Auron, Frosty, Reason, Gringo, maybe even Infested, just name some who voted on this), and they will agree that this is a terrible build. --[[Image:Tai_Sig.png]] '''<small style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Tai|<font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">17:56, 21 January 2009</font>]]</small>'''
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:::::::Yipee. I didn't choose him. I would have voted against him from previous experience had I noticed he was up for nomination. He's hotheaded and thinks he knows best. This comes to the crux of the problem: do you want an authoritarian system where a few decide for the many based purely on their own ideas, or do you want a more democratic system where the build masters remove few votes, such as in rewrites and skill updates, in addition to grossly wrong voting?
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:::::::See, the problem is you are saying because he's a build master, he can just drastically change the voting on this build due to that. Why the hell do build masters' votes count for more, then? A build master should simply be able to remove as many votes as he or she likes until the build lands in the desired category!.
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:::::::That's what you are justifying here. - [[User:Greven|Greven]] 18:10, 21 January 2009 (EST)

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Discussion

Synergy? --- Monk-icon-Ressmonkey Ressmonkey (talk) 12:27, 19 October 2007 (CEST)

I'd swap Vengeful weapon for another restoration spell. You're a hybrid Damage Dealer/Healer kinda, but VW/WoR is overkill for this build's purpose. Probably add another heal, spirit, or spear attack in its place.Paragon City 15:38, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
But what is the purpose of a Rt/P damage dealer/bad healer? --- Monk-icon-Ressmonkey Ressmonkey (talk) 22:13, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
Its purpose is to win matches. It isn't meant to take the place of a monk, yet I've not lost very often against a team with a monk using this build without a monk on my own team. Consider this: Weapon of Remedy/Vengeful Weapon are not simply "heals." Because they are life stealing skills, as you know, they damage the enemy and heal the ally. If an enemy has 500 health, and an ally has 400 health (100hp advantage) and is struck by the enemy for 50 damage, the enemy now has a 150 health advantage (500hp v. 350hp). If that ally has a rank 15 Weapon of Remedy on him, he steals 75 health from the enemy, which damages that opponent as well as healing the ally, bringing equality (425hp v. 425hp). When considering life stealing, you should essentially double the effect as it changes the playing field by that many hit points, compared to other skills (healing, damage, etc). Please try the build before judging it. It may be odd, but it is quite effective. - 68.97.132.83 00:36, 21 October 2007 (CEST)
Ya rly. Removed all the 0-0-0 votes. -Auron 13:15, 21 October 2007 (CEST)
"So a monk does what then? Stop casting if he's under attack?" uhm auron, what do you mean with that? a monk is there to heal/prot since a monk has no attacking skills (I hope). Here you will have no time to attack when someone is bumping you (unless you have an extra monk in your team). But I guess I'll give it a try ----InfestedHydralisk Shadow Prison 13:53, 21 October 2007 (CEST)
It was in response to your vote... -Auron 00:40, 22 October 2007 (CEST)
Ah, you didn't know what else to say? :P ----InfestedHydralisk Shadow Prison 01:29, 22 October 2007 (CEST)

If I voted on this build in current form it would just get deleted. So, instead, I made a Restoration Spear Chucker and took it into RA. My new version works better (as good as you can get for this kind of thing anyway); I'm going to change this page to the new build and put it back into Testing. Zuranthium 03:52, 13 February 2008 (EST)

WTB vote wipe too. Zuranthium 13:27, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Wtb energy?Styxx HLFrans 05:50, 14 February 2008 (EST)

Energy was fine for me when I used it, and the high energy set helped a lot if I needed to overcast. I used Mending Grip(lol, a use for mending grip) instead of Weapon of Shadow, to give myself condition removal while under the effect of Weapon of Warding(Instead of losing it if I use Weapon of Remedy). Worked quite well with that variant, and I suggest putting it in the variants.Paragon City 15:13, 14 February 2008 (EST)
I was originally considering Mending Grip but decided Weapon of Shadow was better so you can still prot yourself if Warding gets interrupted (or keep two people protected at the same time). I'll add to variants though. Zuranthium 20:06, 14 February 2008 (EST)

This build really is fun to play if you're into trying to do everything and be a superhero. For some laughs: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/Zuranthium/gw155.jpg?t=1203044894. Zuranthium 22:16, 14 February 2008 (EST)

Congrats, you got a flawless in ra. That means absolutely nothing. Lord Belar 22:26, 14 February 2008 (EST)
its hard m8 i nevr git munk so cnt stay alive =/ — Skadiddly[슴Mc슴]Diddles 22:32, 14 February 2008 (EST)
Actually, it means he's 3 Glad points higher. — Rapta Rapta Icon1 (talk|contribs) 22:45, 14 February 2008 (EST)
Tru dat! Zuranthium 23:40, 14 February 2008 (EST)
Frenzy Healing Signet Mending Hundred Blades Lacerating Chop Stonesoul Strike Counter Blow Blessed Signet

i r leet, no? Lord Belar 22:36, 14 February 2008 (EST)

Be facetious if you want to. Won't change the fact that this build can make some strong plays in RA. Zuranthium 23:40, 14 February 2008 (EST)
I got ten glad points with that build. RA means nothing. Lord Belar 20:30, 15 February 2008 (EST)
Sure, but how consistently is that build going to get those glad points? If RA means nothing to you, stop trying to discuss builds that are created for RA. Zuranthium 00:11, 16 February 2008 (EST)
Apply Poison Mending Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Use a spear, throw in an IAS if you're bored, works wonders ^^ — Skadiddly[슴Mc슴]Diddles 00:15, 16 February 2008 (EST)
Doesn't help keep teams alive. Zuranthium 20:40, 16 February 2008 (EST)
It's got mending. Lord Belar 23:51, 16 February 2008 (EST)
LOL nice addition. So now we've got...Spear Master, Apply Poison, and Mending. 3 different classes ftw! Zuranthium 03:32, 17 February 2008 (EST)
you dont need spear mastery to use a separ. candy cane!. --Thc 19:14, 21 February 2008 (EST)
OMG this looks fun. Justing6 21:07, 24 April 2008 (EDT)


Word of Healing Spirit Bond Power Shot Distracting Shot Reversal of Fortune Dismiss Condition Holy Veil Kindle Arrows


amidoinitrite? This reminds me of the MOAR HEALING AND MOAR DAMAGE monk from a while ago.--GatessMoebius Strike IconThe Gates Assassin 01:36, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

srsly

just tryed this build, its aweasome, i have no damn clue how this synergizes but packing great spear dps and good rit heals is so nice, +1 for this build. :3 --Super Igor *ninja!!* 17:18, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

lol

this was above trash? ---Chaos- TheDentist 17:31, 21 January 2009 (EST)

don't ask. Oh noes sig KJ 17:34, 21 January 2009
zur (old BM) made it out of trash. he did it with all of his bad builds. Gringo 17:35, 21 January 2009 (EST)
That's funny, it was in the GOOD category for quite awhile. Why? Because many people voted it up to there, not because Zur had some fascination with it. I don't prefer it to the original version, but it is still a strong and capable build in its intended format. - Greven 17:43, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Zur removed every vote that gave it less than 4-4, like he did with every build posted. This is terrible, get over it.--GoldenGoldenstarStar 17:45, 21 January 2009 (EST)
(EC)it's an AWFUL build, stop ranting about it in three different places Greven (Gringo's RfBM, this page, and Golden's talk). It's a VERY bad attempt at making a rit do too many things. If you really want damage that badly, run some channeling. --Tai Sig 17:46, 21 January 2009
There are three separate problems. Gringo's vote is terrible: he either can't extrapolate how this build works from the page, doesn't care about non-8v8 arenas, or doesn't understand the skills. Goldenstar abused his power: 9 votes removed at his sole discretion in order to drive this build out of public voting and instead into his own personal idea of how good/bad a build is from how it looks on paper. Here, I'm trying to tell you that you are not getting this build. - Greven 17:51, 21 January 2009 (EST)
well my vote is completely valid for first, secondly golden is abusing his power, its his job to keep bad builds off the wiki. thats part of what being a BM is all about mate. Gringo 17:53, 21 January 2009 (EST)
BMs remove bad/wrong votes. crazyCowcow 17:54, 21 January 2009 (EST)
(EC)No. Goldenstar is a fucking BM, meaning WE chose HIM to CORRECTLY remove shitty (very wrong) votes. He's not abusing his power. Talk to any decent player on PvX (Ska, Auron, Frosty, Reason, Gringo, maybe even Infested, just name some who voted on this), and they will agree that this is a terrible build. --Tai Sig 17:56, 21 January 2009
Yipee. I didn't choose him. I would have voted against him from previous experience had I noticed he was up for nomination. He's hotheaded and thinks he knows best. This comes to the crux of the problem: do you want an authoritarian system where a few decide for the many based purely on their own ideas, or do you want a more democratic system where the build masters remove few votes, such as in rewrites and skill updates, in addition to grossly wrong voting?
See, the problem is you are saying because he's a build master, he can just drastically change the voting on this build due to that. Why the hell do build masters' votes count for more, then? A build master should simply be able to remove as many votes as he or she likes until the build lands in the desired category!.
That's what you are justifying here. - Greven 18:10, 21 January 2009 (EST)