Talk: Me/A Assassin's Promise Spiker

Best mesmer build for general pve tbh. --Anonimous. D: 16:12, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Build:Any/A Vanguard Spiker We has general template for these. 17:55, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

/Sigh, different usage, much different(and better) bar/use of pve skills. Oh, it can also be used outside of Discordway. That one is WELLd btw. Life 18:07, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Ether Phantom instead of Mind Wrack if dying before 10 seconds counts as "ends early." 18:21, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

That Vanguard Spiker thingie you linked me to is trash, it only really works with Discord. As Life said this has much different and better usage and isn't pr0 on it's on like full-on Cryer would be.

You can see this build like MM Necro. Only difference is that it pops "minions" at your target out of nowhere, they hit harder, much harder and disappear after 15-30s. :p --Anonimous. D: 20:51, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

(EC) I know I'm not very good, but that thing has been around on the wiki for ages, so might as well trash it. 20:55, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

What thing? --Anonimous. D: 21:08, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Build:Any/A Vanguard Spiker 21:09, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

(EC ×1)Why Ether Phantom? There is no point in it's "ends early" effect if target is killed. Doh, I so wish some PvX people would stop thinking on blank piece of paper. --Anonimous. D: 21:15, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I so wish that Vanguard Spiker thing gets trashed. --Anonimous. D: 21:16, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Meh. I likes extra E back. 21:17, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Hacks? Ether Phantom doesn't give energy back. --Anonimous. D: 21:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

{{ec|1}Oh, pft. Stupid me, hacking anet. I use it with Drain too much, makes me think it gives energy. >.< 21:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

We all make mistakes I guess. :p --Anonimous. D: 21:55, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Mind Wrack ... at 0 domination magic ... with no energy draining skills. Nice. 75.70.135.246 05:58, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

You fail so hard.

Life 05:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

with my 30 minutes of experience with the build

epidemic isn't worth it. "Finish Him!" is supposed to finish him, not keep him up long enough so that you can cast epidemic to spread conditions to adjacent instead of spam Cry and Assassin more. I suppose the problem is there aren't really many other skills that would synergize with the build, since you're effectively running a 7-skill bar. maybe just stick res sig in there after all. --Mafaraxas 04:15, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Or one of the inspiration stances for defense, depending on the area. --Mafaraxas 07:14, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

you realize that epidemic takes .1 second to "cast" right?--IkimonoNeeds more Paragon 16:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

FH+Epid is very powerful if you can't play it it's not my problem I don't make builds for res sig noobs. --Anonimous. D: 15:29, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello Anonimous. I am here to inform you that you are a complete joke and that running epidemic+conditions takes no skill whatsoever. Have a nice day. Tab 19:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I dont actually know why you just thought using epidemic takes skill. That was... funny. This is an entirely zzz skilless bar. Rawrawr Dinosaur 19:14, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

yeah, its about as spammy as you get. Oh look, 5 ebon vanguard sins. Athrun Feya 15:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

He never said it took skill. Here's a translation. "FH!+epidemic is good. If you fail too hard to use it, gtfo and go fap to your rez sigs." Life 16:16, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

^ --Anonimous. D: 16:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Mind Wrack

I don't really see the use for this in this build. Why is it in the build over other Mesmer hexes? Selket Shadowdancer 17:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

also spikes in pve? =/ I thought mass aoe was good? ~ Big sysop 17:17, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow, learn2cry. You better learn this shit once you join LOD. Mind Wrack pwns because it's fast, lasts forever, recharges hella fast, and is cheap. @Big, it depends on the situation what you use for the spike. If you need a meatwall, echo EVAS. If you want area damage, echo CoP. Life 17:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Life, you should help me get Guardian of Cantha and Tyria. :> ~ Big sysop 17:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Lol, I play really weird hours, and tbh I hate all of cantha(except urgie <3). Might be able to help a bit with tyria if you play weird times as well. Life 17:50, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Define weird. ~ Big sysop 17:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

9-11 pm Pacific. (GMT -8) Life 17:58, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

What amuses me is that all of that is written in usage but it looks like people can't read...for reasons stated by Life MW is good, if you dont expect heavy hex removal you can replace it with Web of Disruption but MW is better more often that is why it is main bar. --Anonimous. D: 18:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm usually online around that time, cept I'm not home atm. Also STFU ANONIMOUS YOU'RE BEING RUDE AND BREAKING OUR CONVERSATION UP IN THIS BUILD TALK. lol jk. ~ Big sysop 18:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC) no seriously I love you

Alright. Drop a message on my talkpage or ingame(Piercing Blades) whenever you want to do something. Discord or RoJ? Doesn't matter to me. Life 18:07, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

no u

Life, why is that time wierd? --Anonimous. D: 18:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, most of my guild is east coast and we have a few euros, so my playing times are fucked up compared to others. Life 18:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

He does have weird times, I need to stay up til 4am if he's ever gonna take me urgoz :P. Andy 18:52, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Just go with our regular team at 5 my time lol. I still need to get on a deep run btw. Life 20:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Timing fails, everyone that does deep goes to bed at around 3 your time :P Andy 20:42, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I asked because I genuinely don't know why it is used over other hexes to prime Cry of Pain (I know it's there to prime it I'm not that stupid). I don't get why people have to act so dickish over someone asking a question to get better knowledge of a build. I guess you guys would rather people not ask and not learn the principle about a build. Typical PVX I guess. Selket Shadowdancer 21:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

To be fair Selket, Life did explain why Mind Wrack is used near the beginning of this section. Spaggage talk 22:16, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

He did explain, but was rude too. Concidering the way most people on pvx would reply to him, its no surprise. Andy 23:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess I couldve been a bit nicer. Anyways, it is pvx, so I have a little bit of a break there. Ask in guild chat and you'll get a more polite answer :P. Life 00:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

It doesnt rly matter what hex you use as long as you kill stuff tbh--Relyk 00:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Blaming people's attitudes on PvX as if it is some established culture is silly. The active community is small enough that you could all simply agree to stop being dicks to each other, and it could happen. --Mafaraxas 03:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Where's the fun in that? Life 04:04, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Like that would ever realistically happen Athrun Feya 09:41, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

People are being dicks to us, we being dicks to them and it goes round this way. Sometimes newcomers get rage slapped in process. --Anonimous. D: 10:24, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

By the way, You move like a dwarf! + epidemic makes a nice snare if you want to try and keep foes together. Hmmm, I'd keep epidemic slot optional, its only really effective in HM as everything dies the moment you use FH in NM like Mafaraxas said. Mind Wrack, Ether Nightmare and Shrinking Armor are the only two hexes that last a while that you dont really need to spec and if a hex is stripped its quick recharge helps. Ether Nightmare could be taken, but then you've lost a valuable PvE-skill slot and cracked armor offers no real advantage against armor-ignoring damage. Mind wrack isnt a great skill, but its suitable for purpose.Athrun Feya 11:30, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

"People are being dicks to us, we being dicks to them and it goes round this way. Sometimes newcomers get rage slapped in process." No, that's exactly what I'm saying. There's few enough active people in the community that, if you agreed to stop being dicks to each other, it would happen. --Mafaraxas 19:15, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

when did this become Dr. Phil discussion?

Dosen't change the fact that Anonimous is right. People here are harsh....just ingore it and try and grasp what they are saying. Hard sometimes but they deal with some crappy builds. Newcomers do get in the way. 14:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Nerfed

Cry of Pain was nerfed. What impact does this have on the build?

little effect. this build can still be very effective at what it does. Just echo your EVAS instead of CoP. -- lyssan 19:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and I updated the build usage to be accurate after the nerf. Justing6 06:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Defensive Set

Sorry for the noobish question, but could someone please define for me what a Defensive Set is? What Weapon and Off-Hand and What Mods are needed on them? That would be great, Thanks. --70.179.133.8 16:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

A defensive set is usually a spear and shield, but can be any other combination of martial weapon and shield. Usually you bring a +5 energy mod on the weapon, an Of Fortitude mod. For the shield the inscription doesn't matter in PvE, and the mod is usually an Of Fortitude also. In PvP everything is the same except the inscription on the shield is very important, it can make it so a spike won't be able to deal enough damage to kill a person, or just give a monk enough time to stop it. Drahgal Meir 16:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually inscriptions on shields can be just as important on HM to be honest. While you don't see too many people running around with a ton of shield sets they generally bring the important ones for specific areas they do (+10al vs Lightning for FoWSC main team for example). Selket Shadowdancer 09:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I dont. :p True anyway. --Carnivorous Cupcake 09:32, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I do. I'd rather have a permanant +10 al bonus and weapon switch than have a 20% chance of -5 damage. Selket Shadowdancer 09:47, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

if u can be bothered to find or buy the inscriptions--Relyk 10:44, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I cant. :p If I find one then I will make me a defensive set for that purpose if not then I really can't be bothered. --Carnivorous Cupcake 13:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I always have shields with +10 armor vs type. Or at least fire and slashing. Piercing is another good one to have. --Ikimono"My beard is thick." 16:20, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

One Shot Wonder?

I don't see how the energy works on this build. First, the suggested equipment does not provide the 52 energy required for a full run through the bar as stated in the Usage; radiant + vitae + defensive set falls short (survivors no way). Second, Auspicious Incantation + Arcane Echo provides +3 net energy and Assassin's Promise provides +7 net energy on death. That's not enough to make much use of expensive EVAS (10e), MW+CoP (15e), and Finish Him (10e) a second time around which means that the rest of the fight is spent scrounging for energy instead of contributing much.

One time through the bar makes this a "great" build? 64.30.95.118 14:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

5e for Mind wrack, then ausp + echo takes you back to full energy, to cast your 3x 10e spell + 5e for AP, 10e for FH and 5e for epidemic. If your target didn't die soon after FH, then I'm worried. The death provides you with 16 energy and a recharged Auspicious, making it easy to continue after. Andy 15:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention that many things die before you can complete a full combo and assuming the rest of your team isn't too bad you occasionally get "free" energy from an extra AP on something that's almost dead. Athrun FeyaRwrRr 15:47, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I misread the energy return for AP which makes it a little better. But Andy, 3x 10e + 5e + 10e + 5e = 50e. How do you get that from the suggested equipment, especially survivors? You get back 16e from AP on death which means you'll likely be sitting at <20e with regen. Auspicious Incantation basically lets you cast one thing free but is not much use for generating excess energy. Athrun, that was my point: this build relies too much on others to do the work. This build quickly runs out of energy and then only gets it back if other players do all the killing. 64.30.95.118 18:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Then take a Hero with Discord and a condition....problem solved.--XTREME 18:45, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

This is the bar that the build's energy management will support. Other stuff can only be used as a substitute for a casting of EVAS or as a one shot deal using the starting reserve of max energy. 64.30.95.118 19:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Well any team is going to create some amount of damage (I suppose you could say you are relying on it, but what is the problem if that support damage is always there anyway? Not like this is a solo build), you have some AoE damage plus left over ebon sins from last spike target (think i had ~6 up once), meaning you really aren't going to need the full combo for every single target. It would be wrong to assume that is the case, this is why your argument is flawed Athrun FeyaRwrRr 19:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

cop doesn't really let you spike now. but spamming evas and dw is gud--Relyk 19:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

lol, if you wana uber EVAS spike, use this build for moar AoE EVAS pwnage: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Rt/Me_Ebon_Vanguard_Nuker 68.227.202.180 01:45, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Fragility

>Mind Wrack? More damage + synergy with condis. Also, y epidemic? Yesyes, AoE dw, but... ---Mezzy- (talk) -- 13:22, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Though Epidemic would be gud synergy with Fragility... -- Jaiwritesalot . . . 13:36, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Aye, so I thought. ---Mezzy- (talk) -- 13:39, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

well it's been changed for a bit now.--Ikimono"...And my axe" 13:42, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Orite, no illusion spec :> ---Mezzy- (talk) -- 13:47, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Ether Signet

Anyone considered Ether Signet in replace of Auspicious Incantation? At 7 Inspiration, AI will provide a free 10 energy cost spell, and a net energy gain of 3 with Arcane Echo. Ether Signet, with the same investment in Inspiration, if used carefully will consistently net 15 energy and the long recharge is negated by Assassin's Promise.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.176.141.50 (talk • contribs) .

No, because you should be able to keep your energy above 7. AI is also easier to use. 00:41, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

"You Are All Weeklings" =

Should be on main bar with removal of Echo....tbh better spike with Fagility--X 20:52, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

i dont think frags spike was the idea of the build. more like lol5ebonassassins. - AthrunFeya - 21:03, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Chaos Storm

Added into variants as its now the mes version of Roj, cheap, ab-usable Armour ignoring damage. The side effect of a 5 or 6 storms damaging and draining mobs is quite lol and does trigger mindwrack pretty frequently for extra "oh? cool, didnt know mobs could run dry'ness " :D....Add the pretty animation :D JaysonMaxxFury 17:04, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Fancy new bar

Dunno if it's better. Life Guardian 01:02, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Seems like more of an AP nuker than an AP Spiker, so maybe a different build page? Also, BUH would probably be better than EVAS or CoP with the lolChaosStorm spam. ToraenTheJanitor 01:08, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Probably take out CoP, cuz the sin does like 400 damage on its own. Life Guardian 01:11, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

True, and being able to choose between echoing EVAS and Chaos Storm gives it flexibility. I'd want "Finish Him!" too, but it'd have to replace Shatter. ToraenTheJanitor 01:16, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I keep looking at this...

...and trying not to see a specced Discord caller...it isn't working. Erring Ryft 20:09, July 9, 2010 (UTC)