Well after posting a video of my build on Youtube, it was only a matter of time before someone posted it up here. I have made some slight changes to the instructions and attributes. Elpedro 18:31, 5 November 2007 (CET)
Thxn alot m8! I think that 12 strenght is better, coz you dont need to lengthen the defense skills, and extra health and +7 health regen is more important. So I placed the 10/8 to variants. BTW could you give me your ingame name and the name of the song in your video? Thonyonline 18:43 5 november 2007 (GMT)
The attributes are exactly what I use, need the 9 tactics for the shield to be effective. I get by fine on them. IGN = Guardian Of Rurik and the song is Here(In Your Arms) by Hellogoodbye Elpedro 21:56, 5 November 2007 (CET)
- Remember that there is something called strength shields to, not only tactics shields. --Arthas 11:59, 12 November 2007 (CET)
wts — Skuld 00:05, 6 November 2007 (CET)
This has got to be the fastest vetted into great pve build ever. It only took, like, 36 hours? --- 
Ressmonkey (talk) 03:31, 7 November 2007 (CET)
- 30 hours, 48 minutes to be exact. :) ---
Ressmonkey (talk) 03:33, 7 November 2007 (CET)
Is this to be used in Normal Mode or Hard Mode?69.243.158.222 17:43, 7 November 2007 (CET)
- 1st wave on normal mode only. It is hard to adapt VWK to high level or hard mode foes as you are limited to 29 life steal. So if anything is dealing much more than that you are screwed. Elpedro 20:27, 7 November 2007 (CET)
Another great farm place will be nerfed :( I'm sure this will happen, sooner or later. - 
Ershin (Talk) 23:59, 7 November 2007 (CET)
Are Sentinel Insignia's that important to this build? I just got EotN so I can't really test it out myself, just wondering, thanks. Stefans 05:10, 9 November 2007 (CET)
- Pretty much so, every HP counts on this one. Remember you are tanking numerous Spirit Rifts (lightning damage) although I managed a few runs with dreadnaughts fine Elpedro 19:49, 9 November 2007 (CET)
It seems like the changes to Weapon of Warding sort of anti-nerfed this build. I'm finding it much easier to survive now, since WoW lasts up until VWK is recharged. I'm also finding that, if you put a furious mod on the +5/+30 sword, you really don't need "Shields Up!". By the time you'd cast it, Bonetti's Defense is already fully-charged. That leaves some more energy open for Endure Pain (if needed), and a space for an optional skill slot. Just an observation. (Edit: The furious mod on the sword really doesn't seem to have any effect on how fast Bonetti's Defense charges) --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 23:10, 14 November 2007 (CET)
"Shields Up!"
To me, Shields up is a really BAD choice. I would rather use Protector's Defense or Shield Stance instead of "Shields Up!". The problem with Shields up is the 10 energy cost and only 50% block (also, remember that armor skills don't stack anymore). Protector's Defense and Shield Stance cost only 5 energy and give a 75% block chance. Shield Stance also has a shorter recharge time than VwK. --Arthas 00:54, 12 November 2007 (CET)
- Like in my comment above, I don't think that this skill is needed at all. Since I've gotten comfortable with this build, I've never used it. I can keep Bonetti's Defense up at all times, which is far better than "Sheilds Up!". Any thoughts on alternative skills that don't involve blocking? Tero Gein 02:36, 12 November 2007 (EST)
- Wielder's Boon? Vengeful Weapon? Note that using any skill while Bonetti's Defense is active cancels the stance.--Arthas 11:54, 12 November 2007 (CET)
- Shield Stance seems to be a poor alternative considering it would only last 3 seconds with this particular build. I tried the build using Protector's Defense and had similar results to the original build, although I did not notice any significant diffence. -Nytlemgr 14:44, 12 November 2007 (CET)
- What about using "To the Limit!" instead of Shield Stance? That way, in case the adrenaline isn't completely charged up when VwK runs out, you can quickly use TtL to charge it back up. You probably wouldn't need it all the time, but it would help when one side of destroyers starts attacking you well before the other does. --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 14:35, 12 November 2007 (EST)
- Nah.. I'm thinking of Great Dwarf Armor, the question is wether or not any of the destroyer uses enchanment removal... EDIT: ...and they did :/ --Arthas 22:04, 12 November 2007 (CET)
- I've been using TtL in this build, and it does help if, for some reason, Bonetti's Defense isn't fully charged when you need to cast it. That doesn't happen very often, but at least it's better than "Sheilds Up!", which just sat there. I really can't think of anything else that would be useful in this slot, since the destroyers use enchantment removal skills. (as Arthas pointed out) --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 06:52, 14 November 2007 (EST)
- Wielder's Boon? Vengeful Weapon? Note that using any skill while Bonetti's Defense is active cancels the stance.--Arthas 11:54, 12 November 2007 (CET)
Wand
Just tried doing a run with the Wayward Wand (restoration) from factions endgame instead of a totem axe (mainly to try reduce recharge time of VwK by 50%). This totally screwed the run since it caused some of the destroyers to use Chaos Storm on me. It drained my energy and eventually killed me, so i recommend a note about not using any Staff/Wand during this run. Since its not my build i don't want to write the note unless the author thinks its important. --Arthas 12:12, 12 November 2007 (CET)
- I don't think I have any authority over what people add, change or remove from my build. Equipment does state use of a specific shield and axe, so if they want to use a staff and not follow the instructions, that is their choice. I believe we shouldn't "spoon" feed though. Elpedro 19:10, 12 November 2007 (CET)
ARGH
WHO CHANCED MY BUILD AND PLACED THE COUNTER ON IT!!#$%&"$%&_?!#$&!#$%& thats not ok to do, since its my build (and elpedro, so if you did it, no problem =P)!!! GSUS PLZ GUYS THIS IS NOT NICE —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thonyonline (contribs) .
- Calm the fuck down. –Ichigo724
18:08, 13 November 2007 (CET) - And don't remove comments. –Ichigo724 19:00, 13 November 2007 (CET)
- It is not *your* build. It is our build. - Rawrawr 19:21, 13 November 2007 (CET)
- Counters are NEEDED in farm builds. Lamentation spike has killed me loads of times, even when VwK is active. If u are new to the build and just enter without knowing about Lamentation and Spirit Rift, u are bound to get slaughtered if u are not ready for it. I placed conuters in the build and I still stand for it. EDIT: I know i don't like to be killed in an instant by something i'm not aware of. Yes, it is an obvious counter, once u have done 5 runs or so.--Arthas 22:53, 13 November 2007 (CET)
- Heh, it wasn't me who added it. I don't find it a problem because you should be able to use Endure Pain if you are low on health. I personally haven't been killed by lamentation since I was testing the build, closest I came I just Endure Pain. May be you are really unlucky dude, but I'm not disputing adding it to the page. I love this hypothetical use of it being "our" build. I understand all wiki users are able to look, edit, rate, change etc but at the end of the day I tested and put those 8 skills into the bar and decided to show it on youtube =p Elpedro 19:26, 14 November 2007 (CET)
- Ok srry, just thinking that some1 was trying to change the whole build srry realy srry Thonyonline 19:36 14 november 2007 (GMT)
- But this is not nice because Arthas is chancing elpedro's build with it skills, and that not realy right, since i placed it here, and so im the only one wo can change skills Thonyonline 19:02 15 november 2007 (GMT)
- I added a relevant variant lol. There is no drawback in using Protector's Defense instead of Shields Up!. I won't change any skills in the acctual build. We have discussed wether or not Shields Up! is a good choice for this build and it seems the answer is no. You can't argue with Protector's Defense being a better choice compared to Shields Up!. --Arthas 19:19, 15 November 2007 (CET)
- I always try to make builds as effective as possible, and as the build looks right now, its not as effective as it COULD be. I would use Shields Up! if armor skills stacked but THEY DON'T anymore (Thanks ANet, you ruined most builds). I won't change the acctuall build (as it has been vetted) but I will add variants if they are relevant and works better than the original. --Arthas 19:31, 15 November 2007 (CET)
- I don't get the point of having two skills that do almost same thing, one of which uses up precious energy that should be saved for Endure Pain when needed. Why not just use Bonetti's Defense from the start, save the 5 energy, and use something else? I've used either "To the Limit!" or Lion's Comfort in that slot with a lot of success, neither of which use any energy. Personally, I like Lion's Comfort more, since it provides a health boost in cases where WoW and Endure Pain aren't enough. --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 05:32, 16 November 2007 (CET)
- Shields up gives +24 armor which is very important ..... so its not a good variant.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thonyonline (talk • contribs) .
- "Shields Up!" does nothing except give the character a 50% chance to block projectile attacks. Since Dolyak Signet is active by the time "Shields Up!" would be used, the armor bonus from "Shields Up!" doesn't stack. That's why I don't see the point in having it in the build. Bonetti's Defense is perfectly adequate, with no energy cost. Also, sign your comments. --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 21:16, 16 November 2007 (CET)
- But this is not nice because Arthas is chancing elpedro's build with it skills, and that not realy right, since i placed it here, and so im the only one wo can change skills Once you submit a build to the wiki it is no longer YOUR build, it is now the wikis build. If you failed to read the terms and conditions etc then thats your problem not anyone elses. All contributions to PvXwiki are considered to be released under the a CC NC-SA 2.5 License. If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here. Unreal Havoc 21:30, 16 November 2007 (CET)
- THANK YOU! Now I didn't have to say it :) --Arthas 21:55, 16 November 2007 (CET)
- But this is not nice because Arthas is chancing elpedro's build with it skills, and that not realy right, since i placed it here, and so im the only one wo can change skills Once you submit a build to the wiki it is no longer YOUR build, it is now the wikis build. If you failed to read the terms and conditions etc then thats your problem not anyone elses. All contributions to PvXwiki are considered to be released under the a CC NC-SA 2.5 License. If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here.
- "Shields Up!" does nothing except give the character a 50% chance to block projectile attacks. Since Dolyak Signet is active by the time "Shields Up!" would be used, the armor bonus from "Shields Up!" doesn't stack. That's why I don't see the point in having it in the build. Bonetti's Defense is perfectly adequate, with no energy cost. Also, sign your comments. --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 21:16, 16 November 2007 (CET)
- Shields up gives +24 armor which is very important ..... so its not a good variant.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thonyonline (talk • contribs) .
- I don't get the point of having two skills that do almost same thing, one of which uses up precious energy that should be saved for Endure Pain when needed. Why not just use Bonetti's Defense from the start, save the 5 energy, and use something else? I've used either "To the Limit!" or Lion's Comfort in that slot with a lot of success, neither of which use any energy. Personally, I like Lion's Comfort more, since it provides a health boost in cases where WoW and Endure Pain aren't enough. --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 05:32, 16 November 2007 (CET)
- But this is not nice because Arthas is chancing elpedro's build with it skills, and that not realy right, since i placed it here, and so im the only one wo can change skills Thonyonline 19:02 15 november 2007 (GMT)
- In any case, soldier's defense or protector's defense > shields up srsly. Edwina Elbert*t*c* 22:17, 16 November 2007 (CET)
- Also put bk the notes bout lamentation+shields up variants pls refrain from removing them again+fixed page a bit kthnxnps Edwina Elbert*t*c* 22:25, 16 November 2007 (CET)
- Okey, il replace shields up with protectors defense, you where right, i was nooblis... srry about that. but lamentation spike?? never died because of that, so thats not realy a good counter, since i cant realy see why its deadly. But thnx alot for the protectors defense and forgive me being so noob =P Thonyonline 9:00 16 november 2007 (GMT)
- Why do u refuse to admit that lamentation+spirit rift can kill u ? Edwina Elbert*t*c* 11:13, 17 November 2007 (CET)
- Because if you just use the skills as said so, u wont get killed by anything in the first wave Thonyonline 12:13 16 november 2007 (GMT)
- o rly? Edwina Elbert*t*c* 13:50, 17 November 2007 (CET)
- o rly? Edwina Elbert*t*c*
- Because if you just use the skills as said so, u wont get killed by anything in the first wave Thonyonline 12:13 16 november 2007 (GMT)
- Why do u refuse to admit that lamentation+spirit rift can kill u ? Edwina Elbert*t*c*
- Okey, il replace shields up with protectors defense, you where right, i was nooblis... srry about that. but lamentation spike?? never died because of that, so thats not realy a good counter, since i cant realy see why its deadly. But thnx alot for the protectors defense and forgive me being so noob =P Thonyonline 9:00 16 november 2007 (GMT)
- Ok srry, just thinking that some1 was trying to change the whole build srry realy srry Thonyonline 19:36 14 november 2007 (GMT)
- Heh, it wasn't me who added it. I don't find it a problem because you should be able to use Endure Pain if you are low on health. I personally haven't been killed by lamentation since I was testing the build, closest I came I just Endure Pain. May be you are really unlucky dude, but I'm not disputing adding it to the page. I love this hypothetical use of it being "our" build. I understand all wiki users are able to look, edit, rate, change etc but at the end of the day I tested and put those 8 skills into the bar and decided to show it on youtube =p Elpedro 19:26, 14 November 2007 (CET)
- Counters are NEEDED in farm builds. Lamentation spike has killed me loads of times, even when VwK is active. If u are new to the build and just enter without knowing about Lamentation and Spirit Rift, u are bound to get slaughtered if u are not ready for it. I placed conuters in the build and I still stand for it. EDIT: I know i don't like to be killed in an instant by something i'm not aware of. Yes, it is an obvious counter, once u have done 5 runs or so.--Arthas 22:53, 13 November 2007 (CET)
- It is not *your* build. It is our build. - Rawrawr 19:21, 13 November 2007 (CET)
