Have fun being lame. --Frosty Mc Admin 16:57, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I don't do HA much, but when I do, this looks hilarious. 3 Sin frontline, 2 trappers? wtf? You know what. I'm going to stop right there. --DoA Master 17:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
It's just oldschool spiritway with the frontliner du jour--TahiriVeila 17:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Now that it's R/A, its not sway anymore Muffin.jpgPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 17:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the epic comment. --Frosty Mc Admin 17:19, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not getting how this has anything over running BB sins? And don't say blocking Exo Oo 18:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC) and IWAY should beat this in terms of defence tbh, even with all of the blind, you just take -20% blind shield, the rune )i forget name) and recov. Exo Oo 18:27, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Ran this yesterday. It's insanely lame. Only works if your prisms can heal, which is rare. Ben Tbh 18:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
It's easier to pressure with these. Most people don't know how to play a BB sin properly, I.E. using BB once ~4-5 seconds minimum. Most idiots only spike with it once every 30 seconds or so and run around with a built backbreaker and a hammer in their hands the rest of the time. With this it's really easy to just c-space->1->2->3->4->5->repeat--TahiriVeila 18:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
So this is like Triple BB Sway but with triple R/As instead? (In fact, the last SWay was the same but with triple R/Ds I guess). Is spammable damage and blocking better than 4-second KDs or not, then, 'cos that's kinda what it comes down to. 19:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
4 second KDs are obviously better, but like i said. Most people can't play a BB sin properly and are thus less effective using them than a R/A, despite the BB sin having much greater capabilities--TahiriVeila 19:27, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

The difference is is that bb sway does more pressure but its also the most incredibly easy to beat build ever as you just blow the fuck out of their frontline. Escape sorta gets around that. Rawrawr Dinosaur 19:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

yeh but you can stop most of this pressure pretty easily if you have a decent team (Even if they're rare) by wanding and slapping on guardian, and just PDing spirits, and you should still be able to spike down these players(?). Exo Oo 20:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
It's a lot easier said than done. --Frosty Mc Admin 20:07, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
It really is. I'd rather go fire ele at spirit hunting then just make your mes shit on the e/rts because PD on weapons makes instakills and pblock even more so :P If you wand trappers too much they end up just building song, use song -> both put a trap down, repeat (hence why dual song would be best imo :P) Rawrawr Dinosaur 20:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Even when wanding trappers, they have blocking which can get off a smoke/dust trap etc. And you can spread blind like a whore with this, blind was, dust trap, smoke trap, wep of shadows etc, and ofcourse if you happen to get blind on midliners they can't wand you -> they get more pressure -> snowball. --Frosty Mc Admin 20:12, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Can't you just RC/LS on a spike? (this is assuming you're not against casta spike) and even with blocks, liek rawr said, a PD/PBlock just shits on this team's defence that once that's done you can just roll them even with blind. but meh, :P i just find 4sec k/d's much better than errr, blocking, coz it can be defensive 2 Exo Oo 20:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

why are we even vetting this? A sway template would do this fine tbh considering theyre all the fucking same but with a different pressurenig as a frontliner :\ Rawrawr Dinosaur 20:19, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

That was my point \: (when i said bb do it better, just a different frontline for same build) but frosty is admin and made it so it's allowed? Exo Oo 20:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
No one ever suggested a template build, including you... If you make a template I would be fine with that. --Frosty Mc Admin 22:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Well both this and the BB version are basically just variants of the original (well, original of this incarnation) SWay so I don't see why you couldn't just have a SWay page. You could even bring the old one out of archive and update or whatever. 22:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
It wasn't your point at all, stop being fucking retarded. Calling something worse than something else is not the same as asking for a template. --Crow 00:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
my point was it's fucking sway. From there on in i expect you to use a brain instead of your overlarge e-peen Exo Oo 11:04, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
the only thing you were saying was that you like BB>R/A, nothing else Terran 11:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd rather have individual pages than a template, because the different builds weren't played at the same time. It's not like R/W, R/D, A/W, and R/A are all seeing use at this one time and are equally applicable. They were all played at different time periods so i feel like each should have its own page to record its influence in the meta-period it was played--TahiriVeila 11:54, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

not really, they can all be played now, the meta doesn't make you have to run this specific frontline... Exo Oo 18:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah but whereas nobody runs R/Ds and N/Rts any more, people are still currently running both BBs and R/As (in fact I just obsed a 3-way R/A sway match and a R/A-R/A-balanced match). Although would the old R/D sway work if it had a new (E/Rt or Rt/A et.c.) backline? 17:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
JAGGEDWAYYYYY ··· Dannycbf.PNG 19:52, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Anyway, they are both basically the same so I made a general build page, if you want it, keep it, if not just delete or whatever. 20:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Teams i play with who are r8/9 prefer warmongers AND brutal instead of splinter. is that not any good? Exo Oo 11:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

What spec would you use? --Frosty Mc Admin 11:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Something like rest-8 spawn-9+1 insp-3 comm-10+1+1 chan-9+1 not positive about spawn breakpoints though Exo Oo 11:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Those atts are impossible, I guess 9 resto, 9 communing, 9 spawning, 9 channeling is possible. Or possibly, 10 Communing, 10 Channeling, 8 resto, 8 spawning. --Frosty Mc Admin 11:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I'll double check but those are what i've saved as my template on GW Exo Oo 12:11, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Rest is 8 Exo Oo 12:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Meh I don't think i've ever gone up against a sway running warmonger + brutal, its normally just commune or channeling. I've seen a fair few with a warding on the rit though. Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
The lame, gets lamer! --Frosty Mc Admin 12:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

R/A Hexway?

I'm really bad at mini skills :/ sorry. so can someone make small?

Jagged Strike Fox Fangs Death Blossom Golden Fang Strike Exhausting Assault Escape Edge of Extinction Resurrection Signet
Jagged Strike Fox Fangs Death Blossom Golden Fang Strike Exhausting Assault Escape Fertile Season Resurrection Signet
Jagged Strike Fox Fangs Death Blossom Golden Fang Strike Exhausting Assault Escape Toxicity Resurrection Signet
Soul Bind Defile Defenses Barbs Rip Enchantment Foul Feast Song of Concentration "Make Haste!" Resurrection Signet
Lingering Curse Suffering Rip Enchantment Well of the Profane Glyph of Lesser Energy Grasping Earth Ward Against Foes Resurrection Signet
Tainted Flesh Deathly Swarm Rising Bile Rotting Flesh Animate Bone Minions Signet of Lost Souls Pure Was Li Ming Death Pact Signet
Ether Prism Mend Body and Soul Spirit Light Weapon of Warding Protective Was Kaolai Spirit Transfer Weapon of Shadow Recovery
Ether Prism Mend Body and Soul Spirit Light Weapon of Warding Protective Was Kaolai Spirit Transfer Weapon of Shadow Life

That viable/Good enough for a new skillpage? Exo Oo 19:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I would prefer N/Rt healers (because of minions), why don't you try it first? --Frosty Mc Admin 19:37, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Tbh I think you should bring an OoTV instead of the soul bind. Drahgal Meir 19:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Nobody to try it with unless you would be up for iot tonight? And OoTV is not as good as soulbind in my opinion, as SB is big pressure with tox/taintExo Oo 20:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Thats pretty brave going in with no hex removal. hahaha. Ajsnuker 10:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Whats the purpose of golden fang? You have no enchants...--Tyrael-- 22:19, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Taint --Frosty Mc Admin 22:31, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh yeah didnt see that, my bad--Tyrael-- 11:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Why not Black Mantis over Jagged? 16:53, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Recharge. Drahgal Meir 18:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
4s is still pretty short though, given you get +dmg and a likely cripple, too. 15:57, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
The whole point of the build is to make enemy teams die because of enchantment hate, so that build defeats the whole purpose. 15:02, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

too many sources of blind

imho there are too many sources of blind making it redundant. nr/tranquility cant be spammed as much as a oath could spam it. drop maybe one of trapper for oath for more survivibility against hexways.Elephantaliste Noir 16:48, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Too much blind? That's what makes this build so retardedly lame/good. --Frosty Mc Admin 16:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Let's make a bsurge way hehe Elephantaliste Noir 18:22, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

good thing you crossed the good out frosty. The build's shit against anyone decentExo Oo 19:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
yeah flawlessed Dent's sway yesterday nd theyre pretty much the best sway. they are right though, rt/as are well better than prisms, when i played w/ them we did way better once we started running rt instead of prism. Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

What about wild strike on a R/A or 2? just a thought but it would mean you could counter other sways by ripping into the stances of the rangers and doing damage. Just jagged then wait for stance up then use it? Exo Oo 12:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


Archive, nerf to escape and DB82.73.65.28 07:02, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

lolol archived meta build --Impossible Odds.jpgDasen 13:47, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

This nerf made me almost as happy as when they nerfed Ursanway. +1 NCSoft.

And yet PvE is still unbalanced, with favor on players Muffin.jpgPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 17:41, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

lol, everyone start to make themed HA builds plz, start off with all a new pvp dervway HA, 8 dervs, and an all pvp para, 8 para's, watch everything get pwned under ur para. 8 para's working together pwns cause its mass synergy, leadership and all those chants and shouts, huge synergy. and dont forget a new lame dervway with all those fricken enchants and mysticism, that will pwn and even heavy anti enchant teams (is there such thing?) cant counter. i also challenge everyone make all-classes teams, 8 ppl of the same class. i can already tell this is gonna be gud. 8 FC mesmers FTW, and sway, R.I.P, even tho i hated you. PEACE68.227.202.180 03:57, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Shattering Assault Rangers

Surely they will buck the trend and bring back R/A Sway? --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 13:35, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Ups, yup, R/A Sway welcome back. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 13:40, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
There is a new sway?:> I can start HA'ing again!  Thomas So Dutch  14:09, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
How did two Borat builds and this garbage make it to front page instantly? They are worse than my builds and that's saying something. Zero.Six 22:41, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
Fuck this shit build :\ 23:16, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
l2login --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 23:19, November 10, 2009 (UTC)


Make a smite version of this, because Shattering Assault + Judge's Insight + crit = bigpewpew. Zyke-Sig.png 03:52, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

lol.FMK- 20:23, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
wat? 20% AP on 7-17 daggers? Terran 21:08, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
Shattering Assault increases base damage, but it's still a dumb idea. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 21:15, November 11, 2009 (UTC)


Yeah it's meta...

I felt amazingly amazing upon timing Aura in between Shattering Assault. Attunement went unstripped ;o ---Chaos- (talk) -- 10:41, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

r/a are even more degenerative than the r/ds were. Should we put the 5 r/a + oov build on wiki? FMK- 17:24, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
This sway fucking sucks though, the escape one actually worked at least. R/D was way better as well Rawrawr Dinosaur 18:06, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Efficiency of prism healers

Why do people still run prisms over nec rits?

  • Ether Prism = .56 energy / second if used on recharge
  • Nec rit /w OoS @ 10 channling = .73 energy / second + soul reaping (10)

Since sway matches tend to be rather short affairs with plenty of soul reaping either way I just don't get it. Plus you can run torm insignias on necros for +10 armor all the time with little fear of smite damage. Of course prism is still a pretty great anti-spike skill but realistically you have to use it for energy most of the time. Zero.Six 19:03, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Rt/A's are better but E/Rt's have a large energy pool which suites the short matches well. Also people are dumb. --Frosty Frostcharge.jpg 19:05, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
People /kick you if you mention anything other than E/Rt Exo Oo 18:00, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Sure it's meta?

This isn't ran that much, you see a couple of them once in a while but tbh they are all so easy to beat. remove meta tag ? Dino Dave 10:19, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Nerf to SA

Remove from meta and great categories for sure. The nerf effectively removes these R/A from the game.Eyeless Sniper 21:16, February 26, 2010 (UTC)


Should go in there now Exo Oo 21:39, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

^i agree also, how exactly does assault enchantment work when exhausting assault is your only dual Attack? it was only huge pressure because of DB, which provided mass AoE.

New/unarchived version

I haven't tombs'd for a month or two but this seems like it could be meta. But wtf @ the only dual attack being Exhausting? Seems better to remove one of the stances (probs lr) for DB. =\ K it got fix'd. Tru...hardly working 12:29, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


Why the fuck is this in the great category... it is soooooooo easy to beat this team... i'd rather face one of these than a unranked randomway, cuz at least this build is painfully predictable... 01:35, August 14, 2010 (UTC)