Discussion
Come on, tell me how much a noob i am. I dare you.
Extreme(contribs) 22:16, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Not much defense. Godbox 
16:23, 26 April 2008 (EDT)
- Don't need much if you have Weakness from the taint, blind from the traps, and extreme degen with no hope of RC. Also an amazing snare in the form of WaF. And besides, in my testing you can roll through just about anything.— If you're reading this, you've just been pwned.
Extreme(The badass shit I do.) 16:32, 26 April 2008 (EDT)
- Does anyone else mind if i bump this?→ If you're reading this, you've just been pwned. Extreme(The badass shit I do.) 13:04, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
- Does anyone else mind if i bump this?→ If you're reading this, you've just been pwned.
why major runes on the warriors? and also, take cure hex instead of healing ribbon. Drownz 21:07, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
Don't need FGJ on war, conjure would be way better. Get rid of the majors, really dumb. Put never surrender on 2nd ele. The HB monk sux hard btw.--Relyk 21:21, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
im going to put my builds back into trial because im going to be gone for a few days and am unable to answer questions, sorry.→ If you're reading this, you've just been pwned.
Extreme( Minor Changes Ftl.)( Noob comment storage.) 17:18, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
- Relyk, most warriors run Major Runes, never surrender on the ele is a good optional spot but some people don't like running it, ill put it as optional, but putting in the main bar might ruffle some feathers. And if you see a problem with monk bars just change the godamn things, i do not monk and try to not even bother with monks. So if you feel the monk bars need to be changed do so, but leave a note on this talk page.→ If you're reading this, you've just been pwned. Extreme( Minor Changes Ftl.)( Noob comment storage.) 23:43, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
==My Thoughts==
SF isn't worth it in this build, it's just not that great a skill in pvp. I'd change your shock axe to an erf shakuur, then shange both SF eles to SH. Then you've got a pretty decent build--Goldenstar 20:53, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- SF is an insane degen pressure skill in pvp. Combined with other degen builds it is even better. Earth Shaker is a good idea.→ You've been pwned. Extreme( Ftl.)( Noobs.) 20:55, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- SH is way more damage than the degen pressure from SF and it has better e-management so you won't be out of energy 3 minutes into the match. SH + Earthshaker AoE knocklock is crazy synergy. Combine that with taint pressure, no RC from humility, and daze pressure from smoke trapper and you've got a solid pressure build. Only think it lacks is interrupts on ghost, shock + leech sig might be able to cover it but it might not be enough. Oh and get draw off your ele and put it on HB, then bring grasping earth. And you definitely need spotless on your HB, not cure hex.--Goldenstar 21:02, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- I don't do monk builds, just change them if you want them differently, im fine with changing the draw from the ele but SH is for a different build, SF is really better for a "Degen" build, imo.→ You've been pwned. Extreme( Ftl.)( Noobs.) 21:07, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- Who the fuck cares about degen when SH is more effective than SF? For shits and giggles through mark of rodgort on one of the eles and have all the degen you want while still being effective at dealing straight damage.--Goldenstar 21:27, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- I don't agree that SH is more effective then SF. SF does more damage and pressure overtime than SH. Consider the recharge of SH, Also spammable burning is just about the best way to keep pressure up and not to mention that with 2 SF the damage will be ginormous. Please test this you will be very impressed. But i'm sure you won't test this and just keep saying the SF is inferior to SH, or maybe you will surprise me. But either way this is taking advantage of the meta by using Sig of Humil and insane degen and major aoe pressure. Since the HB has no condition removal except for draw, and he will have to be healing constantly because of the aoe damage he will be robbed of energy in seconds because of mirror. SF outdoes SH in pressure overall, and it also outdoes SH in damage.→ You've been pwned. Extreme( Ftl.)( Noobs.) 21:36, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- I'm not disagreeing that SF can work, what i'm saying is that the degen pressure youy have without burning is plenty, what you need now is damage to finish stuff off, that's what SH is for. And Mr. Hypocrite, have you ever run dual SH + earthshaker and a taint? I have. It's one of the most effective pressure builds in the game, and you've obviously never played it or you'd have already gotten rid of the SF for SHes. Not to mention that GoLE + glowing gaze isn't going to be enough energy management to make that bar easy. You're also forgettin g that SH is way more kickass for quickly breaking up clumps of enemies (alters, relics etc.) and is way more universal than SF is. Sure SF can do nice pressure in a straight up kill map, b ut more often than not you're going to be doing other things than trying to blow up enemies, and SH is better for that.--Goldenstar 21:42, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- First off, whats with the whole Mr. Hypocrite thing? Secondly i see what you are talking about, and i HAVE played Fast Cast Taint + SH. It is good, but, it is also a different build. This build is focused around degen. SH does have good ability to break up clumps, but thats working against its aoe nature. I know its good at King of the Hill and capture points. But if you haven't noticed SF does as good of a job of it and can do it anywhere on the map. Basically with SF you have every 3 seconds a 94 fire damage hit. With SH you can do about 250 fire damage(not counting armor) over 5 seconds every 25 seconds, that is if you target doesn't move. With SF you do potentially 752 fire damage (not counting armor) over 24 seconds and can keep that pressure up constantly. And yes i know that SH has taineis and searing heats. But this has Fireball which is another good spammable adjacent aoe skill. I know that SH is good but this simply outdoes it.→ You've been pwned. Extreme( Ftl.)( Noobs.) 21:52, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- First off, whats with the whole Mr. Hypocrite thing? Secondly i see what you are talking about, and i HAVE played Fast Cast Taint + SH. It is good, but, it is also a different build. This build is focused around degen. SH does have good ability to break up clumps, but thats working against its aoe nature. I know its good at King of the Hill and capture points. But if you haven't noticed SF does as good of a job of it and can do it anywhere on the map. Basically with SF you have every 3 seconds a 94 fire damage hit. With SH you can do about 250 fire damage(not counting armor) over 5 seconds every 25 seconds, that is if you target doesn't move. With SF you do potentially 752 fire damage (not counting armor) over 24 seconds and can keep that pressure up constantly. And yes i know that SH has taineis and searing heats. But this has Fireball which is another good spammable adjacent aoe skill. I know that SH is good but this simply outdoes it.→ You've been pwned.
- I'm not disagreeing that SF can work, what i'm saying is that the degen pressure youy have without burning is plenty, what you need now is damage to finish stuff off, that's what SH is for. And Mr. Hypocrite, have you ever run dual SH + earthshaker and a taint? I have. It's one of the most effective pressure builds in the game, and you've obviously never played it or you'd have already gotten rid of the SF for SHes. Not to mention that GoLE + glowing gaze isn't going to be enough energy management to make that bar easy. You're also forgettin g that SH is way more kickass for quickly breaking up clumps of enemies (alters, relics etc.) and is way more universal than SF is. Sure SF can do nice pressure in a straight up kill map, b ut more often than not you're going to be doing other things than trying to blow up enemies, and SH is better for that.--Goldenstar 21:42, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- I don't agree that SH is more effective then SF. SF does more damage and pressure overtime than SH. Consider the recharge of SH, Also spammable burning is just about the best way to keep pressure up and not to mention that with 2 SF the damage will be ginormous. Please test this you will be very impressed. But i'm sure you won't test this and just keep saying the SF is inferior to SH, or maybe you will surprise me. But either way this is taking advantage of the meta by using Sig of Humil and insane degen and major aoe pressure. Since the HB has no condition removal except for draw, and he will have to be healing constantly because of the aoe damage he will be robbed of energy in seconds because of mirror. SF outdoes SH in pressure overall, and it also outdoes SH in damage.→ You've been pwned.
- Who the fuck cares about degen when SH is more effective than SF? For shits and giggles through mark of rodgort on one of the eles and have all the degen you want while still being effective at dealing straight damage.--Goldenstar 21:27, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- I don't do monk builds, just change them if you want them differently, im fine with changing the draw from the ele but SH is for a different build, SF is really better for a "Degen" build, imo.→ You've been pwned.
- SH is way more damage than the degen pressure from SF and it has better e-management so you won't be out of energy 3 minutes into the match. SH + Earthshaker AoE knocklock is crazy synergy. Combine that with taint pressure, no RC from humility, and daze pressure from smoke trapper and you've got a solid pressure build. Only think it lacks is interrupts on ghost, shock + leech sig might be able to cover it but it might not be enough. Oh and get draw off your ele and put it on HB, then bring grasping earth. And you definitely need spotless on your HB, not cure hex.--Goldenstar 21:02, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
I'm obviously not going to change your mind, at least toss in an erf shakuur instead of shock axe for linebacking leetness?--Goldenstar 21:55, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
FGJ on a Cripslash is bad and redundant, take Disarm. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ
10:32, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- Goldenstar, that is how builds should be dealt with, thank you for talking on the page before voting, it makes things so much easier because then the author can defend his case. Anyway thanks for the vote, in future do the same as you just did, talk page --> then vote.→ You've been pwned. Extreme( Ftl.)( Noobs.) 14:55, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
no aegis or DA is like gg. ¬ Master Gladius 
15:32, 15 May 2008 (EDT)