Talk: Me/Mo UW Solo

Issue: Speed - Solved

It's been indicated that the build might be too slow. Weapons are changed to scythe, the health raised to 105hp. Replaced Mending (+3 regen, real) to Vigorous Spirit (+12 regen, virtual). As for Vigorous Spirit, you must be in attacking state, and every attack (not hit!) gives you 42 HP. Now Graspings die in one round of IW, which is ~30 secs. On the other hand, this build is FASTER than Terra Tank or other AoE/PBAoE based Ele builds. (Due to their long, long recharge time) Eventually, there aren't any enchant downtime (except Visage - which is unecessary after its first cast on each group) Gelei 10:00, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

Fixed it for you. Godbox 11:47, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

Why does a hit give you 42HP?

Frans 11:57, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

14x3=42? Assuming 3 targets git with scythe meguesses. Misery 11:58, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

There you go, Vigorous Spirit gives 14 health for attacking one foe, scythe attacks 3 foe at a time, triggers three times, 3*14 is 42. That corresponds of +12 HP regen --Gelei 12:08, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

Pro Spirit

how much health should you have?--68.3.18.11 16:04, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

55? 130? 105? 330? 666?--68.3.18.11 16:06, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

105, you can't have 55 because of the Scythe. Misery 16:46, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

maybe mention that somewhere?--68.3.18.11 17:52, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

Yes, that was my mistake. I never exactly wrote what amount of health you needed, you're right. Fixed. --Gelei 03:25, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

Issue - Solved (?)

Unless im doing something wrong, this build doesnt work, the healing from vigorous spirit is not sufficient to counter the damage from aatxes. You take 10 damage a hit from an aatxe, and regen 14 a hit from vigorous, which should be sufficient but isnt, and with their degen from bleeding i just die in a very short time. ive survived for 5 cats of Illusionary (first two were interrupted) before dying, and the aatxes were still alive after me fighting them through 90 seconds of IW.

Uhm... I don't know every aspects of this failure but I have to declare: this build works for me at least. First hou have to use a scythe, which isn't a big deal I think, you can buy even a starter one at Kamadanan and use a non-perfect mod on it. Secondly, you shall have each skills cast what is necessary, when engaging Darknesses because they starts with an interrupting attack. On the other hand, Vigorous Spirit can withstand ~5 enemies attacking and you don't have Healing Breeze used. If you continue dying however, you should cast HB too. There must be a mistake somewhere there though Gelei 12:04, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

Okay, you haven't replied so far during the past days, so I take your problem's been solved. If not, then please leave another message. Gelei 07:48, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

If you check the logs he tried to remove his own comment and someone else restored it. I assume he failed, tried again and was like oh, it works, I just failed so then tried to remove his own comment. -

isery -TALK 08:01, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Well, I'm not the kind of "logwatcher" but he could leave a comment anyway. Gelei 10:07, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

I'm sorry :( Work is boring. And it was an anon from memory who forgot to sign anyway. I'd pretty much just ignore it. Dunno if he'll even be back. -

isery -TALK 10:10, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

"Mesmers can farm nearly anywhere"

Yes they can. I've been using many different mesmer builds for farming. I've used a build similar to this before heaps of times. As for this build, it's OK, but inferior to other UW solo builds. Rusty 06:10, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

Also, sir genius, a max damage cane? I thought it was vital to stay at 105hp all the time, but you recommend switching to a one-handed weapon? CAPTAIN OBVIOUS SAIS LOLWUT Rusty 06:11, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

Using a one handed weapon won't affect your health in any way shape or form unless that one handed weapon happens to have health modifying parts on it. You could use a staff if you wanted to, but it actually doesn't matter as all you are using it for is to wand Dying Nightmares to death. Misery 06:25, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

And if you're still afraid of death, you can still add the -50hp grim Cesta from Cities of Ascalon quest to compensate the health loss. On the other hand whith every enchantments on you, incuding Healing Breeze you MUST NOT die in that few seconds while killing the Nightmares. Gelei 12:04, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

I just read over what I wrote there. I'm a fucking retard. Rusty 21:31, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Power return

is better than drain for this build IMO. Swiftslash \\ (contributions *sandbox) 10:41, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

Really. Gelei 11:16, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

The only mesmer farm or what?

Hey I just now see that there are no mesmer farming builds on pvxwiki at all. How that could be? Mesmers are great in farming! (I know PvE mesmers are quite rare, yeah). Well, according to ratings, it's fortunatly not under-rated (lots of 0-0-0s, etc.) It has smaller problems, but nothing is perfect. Well, I just liked to say thx for not giving "0-0-0: Nightmares remove enchants" rating, and things like that. It's a good thing. Gelei 08:45, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

originality

been to my SANDBOX latelly?--The Noob Police (never|fails) 15:17, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

Lolwut. Liek any1 goes there :P Godbox

15:37, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

This build is more than a year old, so gtfo plx. ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ 16:03, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

The more interesting thing about Noob Police's comment is that I know visited his sandbox, and yeah, there is a solo mesmer build on it, but absolutely different. Even that's not 105 hp, but not matter. The only common thing between them is the Balthazar's Aura & Essence Bond combo and the IW. (As all 3 skills are pretty common between all 55-like, including 105hp, it shall be still treated as an original build.) Gelei 01:23, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

pfft. i didnt really mind tht much, but i posted tht same thing weeks ago on this talk page and the next day it was deleted.--The Noob Police

(never|fails) 16:10, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Dunno then, I deleted nothing and I really never, ever visited your user page :) Gelei 02:03, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

Weapons

Would it be possible to have more details about the scythe and the wand/focus ?

The scythe has to have a 20% enchanting mod (or less if you don't mind recasting more often), the wand has to have max damage. That's really it. --71.229 06:18, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

I made it really specific for dumb people. Inscriptions are optimal, but not strictly necessary. -

isery -TALK 06:25, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

Man, I have two comments. One: Sign ur comments. Two: READ INVINCIMONK GUIDE, as I mentioned it on the Build page. READ IT, 'cause it seems u don't know what's that. READ! Gelei 09:05, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

My experience with the build

Maybe i'm a lousy UW farmer, but DW+bleeding is not nice. I have to keep HB up to survive. To add to this there is NO WAY i can get IW up, it gets interrupted every single time by aatxes (didn't even get to killing grasps)...And to think i made a mesmer just for this. Meh, back to my sin, and maybe i'll roll a warrior (Kai 16:59, 13 April 2008 (EDT))

Cast your critical spells AFTER visage has drained all their interrupts. Standard UW farming procedure. Practice makes perfect, although it's a bitch at 1000g per. Try a Dervish farmer first if you want to get the hang of it, they are more forgiving. -

isery -TALK 17:13, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Misery is absolutely right, trust me and the voters: It works well Gelei 08:50, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

I concur. The build works "as is" but with some points to remember. For solo fights, bring a set of 55 equipment, as this makes them easier, and I have found that you cannot solo the smites with a scythe, you will need to 55 them one at a time as well, the 105hp you have lets too much damage through from PS. I have had an aatxe interrupt PS, but I think the beastie just got lucky :P Kellen of tavadon 00:49, 17 April 2008 (EDT) Kellen of Tavadon

uhm... you can't take more than 10 damages through PS. And each of your scythe's lash-out rewards you 42 HP, and if that's not enough use HB, u'll gain an additional 14 HPs/second. Killing them one by one with a sword (or sth like that) is boring. Gelei 09:22, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

I think he is just saying take a sword with you for when there is only one left, which can happen. -

isery -TALK 09:26, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, thats kind of what I was saying, lol- sorry if I didnt make it clear. But it has also been my experience that with all the enchs, when im in a group of 5 or so smites, I melt like butter on a hot day. Might just be my problem and something that Im doing wrong, so thats why i solo a few of them to whittle the group down. It works, its just a little slower, but all in all, the build is great and has gone a long way to enriching my coffers :) Sorry, if I confused anyone. Kellen of tavadon 13:44, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

NP, and the build is a good starting, you can still improve it to fit your own gaming style. Gelei 06:36, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

Impractical

This is comepletely Impractical...Having to use a weapon to kill is so unneccesary. Use a 330 rit or something they r way faster and can do HM easy. I wasted 30k on this build....i want my money back —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.234.170.236 (contribs) .

l2p, using a weapon is fine. See any of the Dervish UW solo builds. -

isery -TALK 15:42, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

I Didn't mean to be so rude about it. But It is rough to spend 30k on a char to decide it isnt your type lol. General frisk 17:19, 20 April 2008 (EDT)Frisk

Seriously? Thirty runs? And you can already farm UW with another build? I would have given up after like 3-4. I use my Dervish to farm it and I'm happy with him, but I can see how this works, it's just a little fragile to dying nightmares like all enchantment based UW farmers, but my Dervish can't take Aaxtes. -

isery -TALK 17:58, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

Ye, I'd like to intone that I guess u had a bad day, cause after 10k wasted, people, whoe aren't mental STOP. Also this build works really fine for other players (as it's qualified for Great category) you made something wrong Gelei 12:51, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

I didnt do a single thing wrong...it works perfectly fine. Its just to fragile and i can do better so i messed up even trying. I hate mesmers so my goal was to have a mesmer i didnt hate, and i tried this one. turns out i just cant take mesmers. General frisk 18:21, 21 April 2008 (EDT) frisk

As far as I can tell, this build will only work if you are hitting 3 things with your scythe. If you are only hitting one or two, the health regen is too low to survive - I have switched to using a sword and a -50hp Grim Cesta. I almost always seem to die when aggroing 3 aatxes otherwise. mwaddoups 23:07, 23 April 2008 (BST)

So... always hit three things with your scythe then? You can always bring a sword and cesta too and swap when there are only one or two left. If you are having trouble hitting all 3, back up a step, let them follow and you should be hitting all 3 again. -

isery -TALK 18:12, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

I can't even uderstand, why it's a problem? people goes to UW with this (and much other builds) by bringing more weapon sets. Like the (A) Scythe, (B) Sword & -50 focus, (C) Another Scythe, etc. Gelei 08:17, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Video

this build looks great, i am a pretty experienced pve mesmer and id like to give it a try unfortunately i am not experienced at the strategies of UW farming i was wondering if any1 has a video of the full run using this build and if so could i see it --Leon The Dominator

I don't have video of it, but basically you shall read/see the guide of any 55/105 hp build, that's the same. At the first few times, you shall do a run Aatxes-->Graspings-->SMites, they are the easiest. Gelei 09:06, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Here's a good video of it Hope you like it :)

Ah thanx for the video, I put it on the main build page Gelei 02:23, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Hm... I hope all of your family's member are all right. Gelei 02:28, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

You're welcome. Oh, and you got RickRolle'D :) Anarel 13:07, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Power Return

Dont see it in the usage... what is its purpose in the build? --Bim (talk|contribs) 20:33, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

It is to inperrupt the dying nightmares so they dont strip you

User:Leon The Dominator

Hard Mode

can this do HM too? Takeyourpills55 14:25, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

Yeah it does, I always do it in HM. Of course it takes a bit more time as foes have higher health, and when u're in HM, you cant deal with Nightmares so easily. So when you are accidently rended, cast Protective Spirit and other survival stuff as they deal ~25 damages with each attack Gelei 11:41, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

thx much Takeyourpills55 11:12, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

edited the page to reflect usage in HM. Takeyourpills55 17:38, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

Mantra of Resolve

Possibly...? Dark Chaos 18:35, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Well, I don't know whether it's a good idea, I think too many energy is wasted. If you practice this build, you won't be interrupted so much but idle interruption skills (like Grasps) drains you 40-50 energy. So I wouldn't use this. Gelei 07:18, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

MOME

will this work as Mo/Me? anybody tryed it :o?71.180.40.246 21:02, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

In theory, it will work, in practice, you will have only 12 illusion (instead of 16) but higher healing nd protection, so slower kills but higher survival rate. Gelei 02:05, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Higher Chance of being interrupted however, with no FC, So I'd say Survival Rate is the same.

If

two Dieing Nightmares pop up urar screwed. --Super Igor File:Igor Ninjask.png *ninja!!* 08:42, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
Indeed--is that a player issue or a build issue? I have the same problem.

Player issue, cause I can solve it, altough I don't often use this build. Simply dont take the quest, and proceed from the right stair - ALWAYS. I mean, cast ur enchants, including Prot Spirit, aggro the Aatxes quickly and run back, and hide behind the ghost Benton. It requires a bit of patience. Benton will serve as a bodyblocker so aatxes dont reach you, but u can wand down NMs without a problem. (in HM its harder as NMs deal fair damage and they have quite high health for wanding, but its possible to do) Than recast, and deal with aatxes. Continue your journey always through the right stair, and NEVER engage in battle at the aatxes original posititon, always pull them a bit. If problem is occuring, just rush to Benton and hope you get him quicker than the aatxes get you. SO I said, it requires patience to master it, and a few platinums might go wasted, but its very easy method after practice Gelei 13:09, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Question

the health requirements are misleading: is this a 55 or 105 build. The description under equipment is a 55, but the talk says 105. To quote the doctor from Courage the Cowardly Dog, "What is up with that, up with that?">>>>redhandsgw

Uhm, I think you misunderstood. You must use the 55hp equipment setup, still you'll have 105 hp. Why? Instead of the weapon + Grim Cesta pair, you must use a scythe, what doesn't have a -50hp mod. That's why you1ll have 105 hp. Gelei 04:42, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Ahhh I see now. Much better and ty lol. Now to go steal a scythe off one of my heros lol. tyvm again--Redhandsgw 17:54, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

NP. The only recommended mod is the enchanting on it, so if your heroes don't have enchanting scythe, don't buy any. Use starter scythe ;) Gelei 08:31, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Why regen?

Why does this build use Healing Breeze/Vigorous Spirit? Wouldn't it be better to use, say, SoA and Sheilding Hands, for total damage negation (exept one hit at the very start of each mob for 5 damage)? EkkoStarr! 12:05, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Well this buildisn't hardcoded, so if you prefer that playstyle, well, use those 2 skills. Bit of degen and you are gone Gelei 02:05, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Dying Nightmare

In my last five runs - each and every time I carefully pulled two or three aataxes a dying nightmare appears and rends, making the aataxes one-hit-pwn me. Is there any way I can survive this? Without the dying nightmares appearing every time I fight I could survive that part easily. -- Karasu (talk) 09:09, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

If you can't prevent rending, than use the ghost, named Benton. Hide behind him and aatxes won't reach you. Some videos on youtube can show you this technique. Gelei 04:37, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Power Return. If you can't catch it, you shouldn't really play a mes anyways. Swiftslash \\

(contributions *sandbox) 16:34, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

PowerLeach/ PowerFlux

I couldn't help but notice there are no elite skills in this build. Are either Power Leach or Power Flux suitable replacements to Power Return? They are both carrying a 10 sec. recharge instead of 5 sec.. Is the 5 sec. recharge critical to the build?

ummmmm... Illusionary Weaponry? - Mc Tai 05:25, 26 November 2008

+1 Gelei 11:17, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Video

I stumbled upon a video of the build on youtube. I didnt make it, but i posted it on the build page.--Bim (talk|contribs) 17:54, 7 December 2008 (EST)