Archive:E/A Speedbooking

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Name = wtf? ‽-(єяøηħ) ^{no u} 05:59, 18 July 2007 (CEST)

Hai Ibreaktoilets 21:38, 20 July 2007 (CEST)

He deleted my comments :) Rawrawr Dinosaur 21:59, 20 July 2007 (CEST)

I told him he could to be fair ;o Rawrawr Dinosaur 22:09, 20 July 2007 (CEST)

Oh hai thar. Ibreaktoilets 22:11, 20 July 2007 (CEST)

Pages

Don't blank em. ‽-(єяøηħ) ^{no u} 18:00, 23 July 2007 (CEST)

And don't vandalize, it'll only result in a ban. –Ichigo724 18:05, 23 July 2007 (CEST)

AWARD!!!!!!

you win the most fucking random ass user award. grats! — Skakid9090 02:43, 19 August 2007 (CEST)

Totally deserves it. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ〚₮/ḉ/Д〛 02:58, 19 August 2007 (CEST)

Hai Skakid. Lets make babies. Ibreaktoilets 11:05, 19 August 2007 (CEST)

Ban

Three day ban due to previous history and NPA breach at Build talk:A/any Evasive Blades. Grinch, I know you warned him, but I feel his history is enough to push the edge. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 22:49, 22 August 2007 (CEST)

Your comments were unacceptable. We do not tolerate homophobic behavior of any kind. It is one thing to hold your own opinion, but keep it to your fucking self mate. This is a final warning before serious action occurs. Don't do it again plx, thnx. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 00:35, 23 August 2007 (CEST)

I r unban;o! Ibreaktoilets 00:26, 26 August 2007 (CEST)

Don't deserve to be unbanned much. ~~ Napalm Flame ^_^ (talk)·(contributions) 05:03, 27 August 2007 (CEST)

He has one last straw left. Of course, administrative action taken upon this user is none of your concern, Napalm. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ〚ŞƳŞŌƤ〛 05:09, 27 August 2007 (CEST)

I thought it should be though, since I am dedicated to this wiki and help in any way possible. ~~ Napalm Flame ^_^ (talk)·(contributions) 05:15, 27 August 2007 (CEST)

While users can bring a situation to an administrator's attention, the resulting administrative action is none of that user's buisness. Leave the discipline to the administrators. It's our job and our responsibility, not yours. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ〚ŞƳŞŌƤ〛 05:22, 27 August 2007 (CEST)

Grinch, consider what you told me about yourself and this user, and consider how harsh you're being to Napalm. He's certainly allowed to discuss this user (thus the creation of this talk page). Napalm, disregarding my feelings on the situation, here unban = ban ended. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 06:13, 27 August 2007 (CEST)

Thank you for being unbiased here. Yeah, I take this as my cue to drop it now. But just one thing to leave behind me- Grinch, you've been acting real uptight lately, just what the hell is up with you? You take harsh to the point of almost removing 'democracy' from the wiki. We should be able to discuss things, leave our opinions and more importantly have freedom of speech, as long as we do not break the rules. I'm not breaking NPA so I don't see how I'm doing anything wrong. ~~ Napalm Flame ^_^ (talk)·(contributions) 23:42, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

I am not taking my realationship with this user (guild members) into account here. The last thing this user needs is a bunch of prancy high-school-esque gossip and blunt, in-your-face opinions of other users right on their own userpages, or at all. If this was any other user, I would feel the same way. This is not drama club, this is PvXwiki. Ibreaktoilets was way out of line, but he is unbanned. End of story. Discussion over. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ〚ŞƳŞŌƤ〛 06:16, 27 August 2007 (CEST)

:) Misfate 05:14, 27 August 2007 (CEST)

Okai, I was out of line in saying what I did. I accept that. But less wiki drama plx :( Ibreaktoilets 10:49, 27 August 2007 (CEST)

Was going to explode at napalm but then remembered recent ban so nao i shall stfu :( Rawrawr Dinosaur \m/ 22:34, 27 August 2007 (CEST)

Just don't breach NPA and you are fine. And besides, there is nothing to explode at me about, amirite? In fact I could complain about how you, Readem, Skuld, break and skakid have been acting on the wiki lately. But do I? ~~ Napalm Flame ^_^ (talk)·(contributions) 23:45, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

You just did. :/ —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ〚ŞƳŞŌƤ〛 23:54, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

How the hell did I just break NPA? I haven't made any personal attacks... Yet. Clearly you are failing here Grinch, shame on you. An admin being beaten by Napalm? Should be ashamed. =P ~~ Napalm Flame ^_^ (talk)·(contributions) 04:57, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

I meant that you just complained about the two aformentioned users. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ〚ŞƳŞŌƤ〛 05:25, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Big deal. Doesn't matter much does it. ~~ Napalm Flame ^_^ (talk)·(contributions) 05:31, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Nope, and I'm finished with the discussion for fear of endangering my realationship with you any further, plus I have to work on the guild portal, so, adios. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ〚ŞƳŞŌƤ〛 05:39, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Not... really. I vote we drop the discussion... -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 23:55, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

i never violate NPA fuck you. — Skakid9090 05:02, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Your pathetic attempt at humour actually worked, gave me a slight chuckle. ~~ Napalm Flame ^_^ (talk)·(contributions) 05:15, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

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i r faps nao Ibreaktoilets 22:09, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

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o hai thar Ibreaktoilets 22:30, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

lol, Eunuch Asdfg 23:47, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

Joo tok strahnje ibreak. it hertz my braens.Dark0805|Rant 03:21, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Voting

Not bothering to actually test a build before you rate it is very unprofessional, unfair, and rather bigoted of you if you are simply going off of previous misconceptions you have about how thing might or might not work. It's obvious you didn't actually try this build, and it's obvious that you didn't bother to vote on it based on if the build could do what it was designed to do or not, which you would have found it is more than capable of if only you had tried it first. Without the inclusion of any of the new skills from GW:EN the build was even capable of remarkable success for what it was designed for in the new GW:EN PvE content. While I cannot make you vote fairly or objectively on builds on this site, you might want to keep in mind the old Golden Rule if anyone should later vote your builds down without even trying them out.  :) ~ J.Kougar 06:31, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

I can't answer for him, but I don't test all builds I rate either. Like he said, flashing blades is a sub-par elite, MB/DB+crit def does a better job. It doesn't deserve 0-0-0 imo, but it's still a sub-par build. See Build:A/Mo Death Blossom Farmer for a generic pve sin. –Ichigo724 06:59, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Yet that build is pretty much useless anywhere you come up against Mesmers or Necromancers as they'll keep those enchantments stripped off you and you'll be defenseless. I've tried to use those skills many times, and it's just a major hassle with the enchantments being stripped off constantly. ~ J.Kougar 07:28, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Lol... I wish PVX:NPA didnt exist so i could tear into you right now. you dont farm areas with necros or messes.... DUH!!!!!!Dark0805|Rant 18:28, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Oh, well I don't farm much, it's rather boring, I prefer actual play to just killing the same crap again and again. I didn't make a farming build, why would I? ~ J.Kougar 19:27, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

If you don't want to farm, why run a tanking build? munks r gud. Ibreaktoilets 19:29, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Because the monks are often busy trying to keep the lesser armed people on the team alive, or themselves... and if I can stay on the front line, like I do, it keeps the aggro off the casters and I don't require much assistance in staying alive while protecting the others till the massive damage I do, coupled with the stuff the casters are free to throw on them, takes them out. Besides, people who don't self heal and whom just sit there and yell at the monk if they don't get healed fast enough have always irritated the heck out of me... and in PUGS you tend to get really pathetic monks who don't even bring an elite, so you can't depend on them to being with. What's so wrong with being self sufficient? I live that way, why not play that way? ~ J.Kougar 19:40, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Get new monks. Ibreaktoilets 19:43, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Then use critical defenses instead of Flashing Blades! It's so much better! —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ〚ŞƳŞŌƤ〛 19:44, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

MOAR DRAMA RAWR! Asdfg 19:45, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

"really pathetic monks who don't even bring an elite" and assassins that use crappy elites. –Ichigo724 19:46, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Yea, real crappy... staying alive and taking so little damage just sucks... and not having enchantments stripped off me constantly is a very bad thing. I should really start fight without any armor on so that they monks feel more needed and loved. I'm such a horrid person for not needing constant attention from the monks, I'm sorry.  ;) ~ J.Kougar 19:55, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Oh, wait. This might be an NPA breach, but whatevar: "What's so wrong with being self sufficient? I live that way". So dumping your genes in an evolutionary offside is self-sufficient? Asdfg 19:51, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Bringing more people into this already corrupt and over-crowded world is more productive? Besides, that's not a choice... it's genetic. I cannot change my bring chemistry to respond to female pheromones any more than you can change yours to respond to male pheromones.  :) Still, very off-topic. ~ J.Kougar 19:55, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

i c wut u did thar Ibreaktoilets 19:52, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Yep, he's as cleaver as your usage of the English language. XD ~ J.Kougar 19:55, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

w8 wut dat meen Ibreaktoilets 19:58, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Discuss. Ibreaktoilets 20:08, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Totally needless. Not to mention you assfucked a conversation that was still going onDark0805|Rant 20:31, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

lol at that. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 04:49, 30 August 2007 (CEST)

i suggest another archive. — Skakid9090 04:51, 30 August 2007 (CEST)

Cancel the "thing" tomorrow pl0x

K. Misfate 21:12, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Okai. Ibreaktoilets 21:13, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

SoD

Hey, I'm still interested in joining. It's just that I have to guide my current guild in their GvGs, so it might take about a week before I could join. If it's too late, I understand, don't worry about it. Tycn 11:06, 30 August 2007 (CEST)

No problem, just leave a message when you're ready. Ibreaktoilets 11:09, 30 August 2007 (CEST)

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well... i wanna join ... can i ?? Iwan13_talk 18:08, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

Ooh just noticed this one, pm meh ingame on Tab Now Please ;o! Ibreaktoilets 18:22, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

I R IS MEMBA! Iwan13_talk 19:22, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

GvGs

SoD played 7 GvGs last night. Won 7. In atleast 5 of them we wiped the other team with an EoE bomb at VoD. We also beat [MsN]. Discuss. Ibreaktoilets 12:15, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

MsN is a HA guild btw. Radiant 22:07, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

We know. Ibreaktoilets 22:08, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

Test

New sig;o! Ibreaktoilets 12:31, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

Re-upload the pic as something like Image:User Ibreaktoilets sig.jpg plz. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 16:55, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

How do I do that? Ibreaktoilets 19:37, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

click upload file on the left toolbox — Skakid9090 20:13, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

Ok, I've done that, and i get the link [1], but when I add it into my sig It doesnt work. I've just taken the pic out for now. Ibreaktoilets 20:18, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

Sorted, nevermind. Ibreaktoilets 20:49, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

your sig

I tried to comment in the same section, but your signature deflected it. –Ichigo724 14:58, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

Mention

that [PMS] is also looking for recruits, if you get bombasted with recruites, not likely.Dark0805|Rant 21:09, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

Guides

awesome job mate... j00 r kul! Iwan13_talk 22:22, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

O rly. Ibreaktoilets 22:24, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

Ya rly. Iwan13_talk 22:37, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

a/s/l???? Ibreaktoilets 22:38, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

20/m/j00 dun wanna no Iwan13_talk 22:43, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

hao. Ibreaktoilets 22:44, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

lulz.. i r is hangrie Iwan13_talk 22:48, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

Hidey Hole

Stay outta my hidey hole Hidey Hole--Theupstandingbob 22:46, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

wut. Ibreaktoilets 22:50, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

Sig Stole'd

pwned. Misfate 23:09, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

HAI MISFATE. Ibreaktoilets 23:11, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

lol wut? Skakid9090

no. Misfate 23:26, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

This is quite lol. Rawrawr Dinosaur 01:57, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

HAI GUISE WUTS GOING ON? Ichigo724 03:37, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

LOOK AT MY LACK OF SOD. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ〚ŞƳŞŌƤ〛 04:15, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

Needs moar SoD. Ichigo724 04:34, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

MOAR SoD! I AM ON TEH BANDWAGON! YOU ARE ALL DOOOOOMED! But no rly wat is this our new PvX meme? Napalm Flame 04:35, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

Liek dis? —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ〚〛 04:40, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

Or even dis? —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ〚〛 04:43, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

Failure at its best. plx note parents, what too much gaming and drugs do to our children! Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 05:05, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

Oshit I'm fucked. I got a vodka coke here, I just been smoking weed and only last week I chased. And I spend too much time gaming. NOOOOO I FAILS THEN :( Napalm Flame 05:06, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

o! Ibreaktoilets 09

01, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

some used epidemic while under this sig lulz Iwan13_talk 11:17, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

Indeed, will someone make a SoD club? Napalm Flame 17:37, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

Already have;o! Ibreaktoilets 17:39, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

i dun see it >__> Iwan13_talk 18:02, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

oh i get now ... nvm Iwan13_talk 18:17, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

PvX Guild

Hey, can you guys think about adding the PvX guild back to the alliance. I miss talking to all of you guys. I'll understand if you don't want to though, since Eronth and I are the only ones left and I'm not going to start recruiting for a while. But I really do miss you guys. Bluemilkman 18:27, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

I want to joing PvX guild btw. Napalm Flame 19:27, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

We're fine with it, but would you be OK with going luxon? Ibreaktoilets 18:29, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

Won't matter to me. I just won't be able to contribute any faction, as I personally am Kurzick. I can still do it with amber and scrolls and skills and such, so it won't matter to me. Bluemilkman 18:31, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

Hokai, give me a sec, just update here once you've changed and I'll invite. Ibreaktoilets 18:32, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

I'll send an invite Napalm, and I've changed to luxon now. Pvx Wiki is the name. Bluemilkman 20:15, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

Marr

He is talking to me. Why. Ibreaktoilets 20:09, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

Because you kicked him. Misfate 23:21, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

That's not Marr. Marr is some RL friend of Alex's who I don't like. Discuss. Ibreaktoilets 12:13, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

Guild page on PvX

Lets make SoD guild page on PvX. Like milkman did with PvXguild. Misfate 23:21, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

OKAI MISFATE Ibreaktoilets 23:22, 3 September 2007 (CEST)

Userbox Contest

PM Mr Misfate to redeem 750g. Misfate 16:22, 4 September 2007 (CEST)

wat is there to discuss about it me and you are exactly the same ha wise lol Mizzouman 20:44, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

Er what? English plx. Ibreaktoilets 21:06, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

can i join ur guild? im kinda new but im willing to do watever or run watever u want. leave a message on my discussion page if its ok. i have most skills and all the elites.MasterOfGuild's 05:54, 7 September 2007 (CEST)

SoD

i can play anything u want really. i really enjoy playing warrior gankers and sin gankers. also i like playing paragons. i can run almost any build and if u need i can buy the pvp editions of the games for all of the skills. btw thx for even considering me :) MasterOfGuild's 19:12, 7 September 2007 (CEST)

Can you please elaborate? ie. What role (Front/|Mid/Backline/Runner), and have you got any GvG experience prior to now? Ibreaktoilets 19:18, 7 September 2007 (CEST)

Frontline usually with warriors, i love shock axe and linebacking the best tho. obviously if i played sin id be ganking most of the time. Backline to mid Paragon usually. with paragons i like running Defensive Anthem or Song of Purification stuff also its just a flesh wound is a pretty fun thing to run. i can run basically anything except monk im just not good at that. i dont have other guys reflexes and talent. MasterOfGuild's 19:24, 7 September 2007 (CEST)

OK, so you're a frontliner, but do you have any experience at all? Ibreaktoilets 19:25, 7 September 2007 (CEST)

Moderate experience in gvg along with heroes ascent. Overall im kind of new. Only had the game for like 3 months now but i know what im doing. Ive run a ton of heroes ascent builds. I havent done much gvg though. ive played linebacker in gvg twice but the SOD lagged out and we lost both times. :(MasterOfGuild's 19:28, 7 September 2007 (CEST)

SF Orozar Tiem

We run wtf too much anti-melee build in Sorrows furnace so I can beat Orozar's quest so I can get Eternal protector of SF or something in Hall of monuments. Sometime tommorow. Misfate 03:50, 8 September 2007 (CEST)

Melee hate teams in PvE are win. Discuss. Ibreaktoilets 13:12, 8 September 2007 (CEST)

Overstepping the line

You and your guild have done it WAY too much. I'm sick of the shit you've given me, so here's some for YOU. And oh yes, consider this to be at the same level of immaturity that you display all the time. Napalm Flame 17:01, 8 September 2007 (CEST)

No, its not the guild that stepped over the line. It's just tab on GW and grinch here. Majority of the guild has nothing to do with this. Misfate 22:59, 8 September 2007 (CEST)

i fail to see the problem ... who done what ?? Iwan13_talk 02:18, 9 September 2007 (CEST)

WAMMOS!

hey lets run our wammos to TA tomorow ... its gonna be a flawless after flawless lawl Iwan13_talk 02:21, 9 September 2007 (CEST)

PvX

I'm going to be leaving too. I've been getting the feeling lately that I'm not wanted here lately, so I'll just clear off. Ibreaktoilets 22:36, 9 September 2007 (CEST)

:/ --Edru viransu//QQ about me/sysop 22:38, 9 September 2007 (CEST)

wait what ? Iwan13_talk 22:43, 9 September 2007 (CEST)

PvXwiki dying... --Edru viransu//QQ about me/sysop 22:44, 9 September 2007 (CEST)

Don't worry Iwan, I'm not quitting SOD or anything. Just this wiki. Ibreaktoilets 22:46, 9 September 2007 (CEST)

Lulz. People are flipping out because of Napalm of all people. I thought I never would see the day when such drama occurred...oh wait this is a wiki. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 22:53, 9 September 2007 (CEST)

Sorry if we didn't <3 you enough dude, its just...98% of us are not compatible with the same sex. Luckily for you, it is reversed on GWW. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 23:13, 9 September 2007 (CEST)

Readem I'm not going to even ask about that. 65.95.11.246 22:58, 10 September 2007 (CEST)

If you're going to leave, then do so. If you want a ban, keep acting up or request one, don't forget to tell us how long to ban you. Єяøהħ 22:10, 11 September 2007 (CEST)

Stop

if you don't like pvx, leave. Skakid9090 21:36, 11 September 2007 (CEST)

I would really really miss your your name since it is 1 of the best one here :(, ibreaktoilets is just pro tbh. :(, dream of you tonight! Fish 00:45, 15 September 2007 (CEST)

You said you were asleep and you are on wiki you lying fish who fails at zaishen :@ Rawrawr Dinosaurdark fails 00:46, 15 September 2007 (CEST)

This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

Admin Warning

You and Dino need to use an External chat program to hold your conversations. As of this moment, your off topic, SPAM conversations will be considered vandalism by me. And as such will constitute banning. Point in case: http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build_talk:W/R_Incendiary_IWAY_Shooter. I want you to respond to this so I know you understand me. Shireensysop 20:23, 25 September 2007 (CEST)

kai. Ibreaktoilets 20:27, 25 September 2007 (CEST)

hoew many toilets did u beak?

huh? — Skakid9090 22:38, 21 September 2007 (CEST)

392.7 at the last count. Ibreaktoilets 22:50, 21 September 2007 (CEST)

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+1 — Skakid9090 22:53, 24 September 2007 (CEST)

+1 Ibreaktoilets 22:54, 24 September 2007 (CEST)

FUCK YOU AND GET BACK TO INDENTING MY PAGE Rawrawr 22:55, 24 September 2007 (CEST)

kk m8 sry Ibreaktoilets 22:56, 24 September 2007 (CEST)

-1 — Skakid9090 22:56, 24 September 2007 (CEST)

Master quest

We run anti-white mantle this weekend, unless you did it already. Free scroll of resurrection as reward. 204.108.68.10 20:10, 25 September 2007 (CEST)

r misf8? Ibreaktoilets 20:15, 25 September 2007 (CEST)

No, but I love anti-destroyer builds, master questing with Pete, SG dervs and I dislike flag running. 204.108.68.10 20:17, 25 September 2007 (CEST)

Oh, hey joe. Ibreaktoilets 20:22, 25 September 2007 (CEST)

Moo this build now!

Review or get hurt :D http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/User:Fish_sandbox Fish is baed 11:00, 2 October 2007 (CEST)

tis page now http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/User:Fish/Sandbox Fish is baed 11:03, 2 October 2007 (CEST)

Moo! Ibreaktoilets 15:24, 2 October 2007 (CEST)

was hoping for review >.> Fish is baed 17:39, 2 October 2007 (CEST)

See the build page. This way you got a moo AND a review! Ibreaktoilets 17:41, 2 October 2007 (CEST)

English Fresh Prince theme song

To begin, this is a tale of how my very existence was twisted and transformed in a most peculiar way. Please have a seat, for I wish to take a moment to relate to you the fascinating odyssey which ultimately led to my reign as the Prince of Bel-Air. I was sired and reared in West Philadelphia. As a lad, most of my time was spent at the neighborhood recreation center where I would laze about and relax in a most charming manner - that is, when I was not engaging my chums in a friendly game of basketball at the schoolhouse. Around this time, two young hooligans had begun to stage a campaign of vandalism and intimidation in my neighborhood. When my mother discovered I had had a bit of an altercation with the ruffians, she insisted I leave town at once and take up lodgings with my aunt and uncle in Bel-Air. As the taxi approached, heeding my beckoning whistle, I could discern the word "FRESH" emblazoned upon its license plate, and took particular note of the pair of plush novelty dice which hung from the rear-view mirror. I was a bit taken aback by these strange omens, but quickly put them out of my mind as I cheerfully called to the driver: "To Bel-Air, my good man!" We arrived safely in Bel-Air at dusk, and as the driver came to a stop in front of the house where I was to live, I left him with the words: "Farewell, sir. Perhaps my nostrils shall delight in your aroma once more!" To be sure, it was a long journey, and as I gazed upon my estate in all its splendor, I knew once and for all that my rightful place was on the throne - as the young scion of the great and mighty kingdom of Bel-Air! —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ 01:38, 3 October 2007 (CEST)

i lol'd in real life, srsly Punjab 01:43, 3 October 2007 (CEST)

WT know where you find this grinch, and you owe me a new pair of shorts i wet mine. — Skakid9090 01:44, 3 October 2007 (CEST)

And that is why I have come to love Grinch. Ibreaktoilets 14:45, 3 October 2007 (CEST)

OMFG

<pvxbig> [build prof=E/? air=0 ear=12+1+3 fir=0 wat=0 ene=12+1][Glyph of Renewal][Summon Mursaat]["Finish Him!"][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Ward Against Melee][Ward Against Elements][Signet of Capture][Resurrection Signet][/build] </pvxbig> Misfate 06:11, 10 October 2007 (CEST)

PvX:WELL -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 06:48, 10 October 2007 (CEST)

Misfate has the best build in the world tbh. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ 12:43, 10 October 2007 (CEST)

Misfate, I demand that you do Fort Ranik with me using that build. Ibreaktoilets 15:19, 10 October 2007 (CEST)

GoR Summon Warder is new PvE metagame. Yes this weekend I will. And armond, go WELL yourself, anyone who thinks this build should be WELL'd is insane. Misfate 03:39, 11 October 2007 (CEST)

LOL Y R U HAV WATAR MAGIGZ -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 07:25, 11 October 2007 (CEST)

I beat Mallyx using this build. Therefore it must be good. Ibreaktoilets 16:16, 11 October 2007 (CEST)

SoD Reform

Discuss. Ibreaktoilets 21:18, 17 October 2007 (CEST)

I see. Misfate 04:51, 18 October 2007 (CEST)

Need a monk/mesmer/sin? -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 05:50, 18 October 2007 (CEST)

O wait lawl, gw ladder says you don't exist. Has the guild been actually made? -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 05:52, 18 October 2007 (CEST)

Ladder only shows top 1k. Seeing as we have two members, it's natural we won't be on it. Ibreaktoilets 16:08, 18 October 2007 (CEST)

If you need a good player who hasn't quit GW yet, you know where to turn to, especially since you only have 2 players. *can run evis and LoD.* ~~ Napalm Flame >=] (talk)·(contributions) 16:44, 18 October 2007 (CEST)

pvx guilds drop like flies. if you want me in i'll join. 16:48, 18 October 2007 (CEST)

Wut is this? Napalm wanting to join a Tab guild? Blasphemy! Ibreaktoilets 17:08, 18 October 2007 (CEST)

I don't have a problem with you. I did, when you were shitty to me, but times change, people move on, people forgive and forget. I'm a forgiver. Your sins have been forgiven, young one. ~~ Napalm Flame >=] (talk)·(contributions) 17:25, 18 October 2007 (CEST)

You can join if you want, under the conditions that you duel wammos for my entertainment. Ibreaktoilets 17:50, 18 October 2007 (CEST)

Let me know if I'm eligible for an invite so I can drop this shitty guild. (I mean, seriously, who pings warrior's endurance builds in alliance chat if they use troll, antidote sig, and all adrenal attacks?) -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 22:10, 18 October 2007 (CEST)

Moo. Ibreaktoilets 22:18, 18 October 2007 (CEST)

Armond, you think that's bad? Someone in my alliance was insisting that lacerate owns in HA. Apparently, they have degen spikes now o_O --Wizardboy777(T/C) 04:00, 19 October 2007 (CEST)

-3 degen per person across twelve people, that's like 36 degen for one spirit! FUKKEN LEET! --71.229.204.25 04:03, 19 October 2007 (CEST)

Lacerate owns for EoE bomb, imo. EoE bomb is bad, although it wtfpwns bad players, though, so Lacerate is still baed. --Edru viransu//QQ about me/sysop 04:09, 19 October 2007 (CEST)

Napalm, buy GWEN but don't accept rewards for Master quests. We can do SoD tank+GoR summon warder hard mode. Misfate 04:15, 19 October 2007 (CEST)

Yes. I want in. Ibreaktoilets 16:11, 19 October 2007 (CEST)

Yoo there

We are making a moo room, at rawr is up for it, but im to lazy to code it out, work plz my dear and say that ur in for moo room. Fish is baed 01:15, 27 October 2007 (CEST)

I R want inSoD

that fag rawr said your serious this time, what with pimpass iQ bitches and whatnot. i'll promise i'll be quiet and wont be nooby if you let me inzors! 04:05, 27 October 2007 (CEST)

^ is Dark, btw. --InternetLOL 04:04, 27 October 2007 (CEST)

ah shit. 04:05, 27 October 2007 (CEST)

Calling Rawr a fag is not the way to get in to SoD, nor are our previous experiences with you. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ 05:46, 27 October 2007 (CEST)

rawr nos i dotn mean it =). 06:14, 27 October 2007 (CEST)

You gotta good point on past experiences, though. But conversely:which experience, pray tell? When misfate couldnt connect to vent so his heros never moved? or what? Btw i'm not demanding to be in core or shit like that, hell, dont even make me an officer. I jsut need a guild. 06:19, 27 October 2007 (CEST)

Not moving heroes>hammer paras tbh. Ibreaktoilets 11:08, 27 October 2007 (CEST)

;(. PLEASE.15:29, 27 October 2007 (CEST)

me too. — Skakid9090 20:48, 28 October 2007 (CET)

Whisp me for invite. Ibreaktoilets 21:19, 28 October 2007 (CET)

comp is being shitty atm, should be on tomorrow — Skakid9090 22:54, 28 October 2007 (CET)

Moo Ibreaktoilets 22:56, 28 October 2007 (CET)

Probably me too, once I reinstall(couldn't today since my internet was down or too slow to reinstall all day). --Edru viransu//QQ about me/sysop 03:50, 29 October 2007 (CET)

We're triple treeing btw. Ibreaktoilets 16:14, 29 October 2007 (CET)

Re:site

In my web class i started designing a site for [GWW] like 4 weeks ago. i can change the name to SoD and upload it for yah? i figure thats e credit for me. 13:35, 28 October 2007 (CET)

I can design a site ok, but I need help with FTP and such to get the PHP onto the site. Ibreaktoilets 13:57, 28 October 2007 (CET)

aye. that you'll need grinch for. 14:03, 28 October 2007 (CET)

Get a host and use SmartFTP (search on Google for it). —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ 18:25, 28 October 2007 (CET)

I have a host. I'll try SmartFTP though. Ibreaktoilets 18:27, 28 October 2007 (CET)

Epic vid

I vandalized an admin's talk page on the actual wikipedia with that vid. It was epic. I received a perma ban within 10 minutes. 157.252.147.92 06:43, 12 November 2007 (CET)SnowBunny

Requesting video. Hop on the IRC channel. :D --71.229.204.25 06:53, 12 November 2007 (CET)

Where would this be? -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 08:22, 12 November 2007 (CET)

I'm not sure if I should help you anymore. D: --71.229.204.25 08:25, 12 November 2007 (CET) irc.gamesurge.net #pvx

Epic. Ibreaktoilets 16:11, 12 November 2007 (CET)

join guild

Join or else. Misfate 16:25, 12 November 2007 (CET)

hao? Ibreaktoilets 17:38, 12 November 2007 (CET)

ya

new gimmick wtb. Would recommend SF-spike w/ AoM in GvG (my scrub guild ran that and rolled everyone above 900 lulz) 209.189.130.127 23:05, 13 November 2007 (CET)

whorthis;o Ibreaktoilets 23:06, 13 November 2007 (CET)

Readem's at school. :O --71.229.204.25 23:08, 13 November 2007 (CET)

Invokespike with thumps? Ibreaktoilets 23:09, 13 November 2007 (CET)

how would a wammo gimmick sound?...hmm ----InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 01:33, 14 November 2007 (CET)

hai

needs moar stuffs on talk paefg o,pdsa —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ 21:27, 24 November 2007 (CET)

If needed u can also fill mine, i need at least 1 archive :(, and get monitor fixed plx. Fishy Moooo 11:47, 27 November 2007 (CET)

Lulz, no idea how the edit went that even thought what i see on edit page is fine, i guess i am doomed 2 epic fail. Fishy Moooo 11:48, 27 November 2007 (CET)

I have a confession Fish. In 99% of the conversations I have with you, I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. 86.149.150.3 15:26, 28 November 2007 (CET)

You really really aint the first one. Fishy Moooo 16:46, 12 December 2007 (CET)

Wuts b7?

You get it. Already deleted it now tbh, just wanted to make fun with fishy. - Unexist 19:34, 5 December 2007 (CET)

Uninstall

plx ^^, i fellt that your userpage was in need of getting bigger, hope i didn't betray the moo and ty for converting me to pve scrub gogogogo. Fishy Moooo 17:08, 22 December 2007 (EST)

moo Ibreaktoilets 17:09, 22 December 2007 (EST)

lolpve — Skakid HoHoHo 10:35, 23 December 2007 (EST)

Come pve with us imo. Ibreaktoilets 11:07, 23 December 2007 (EST)

Fucking hell

When i came home from the gym as was hoping for epic pve, what happends, the computer break down! JEESUS CHRIST!, i guess my computer wasent epic enough for PvEing with you tbh, gfg, gotta buy a new one and i need help gogogogogo show me some gud for decent price. Fishy Moooo 18:50, 23 December 2007 (EST)

lolrape. I'm baed at computers, so don't ask me. Ibreaktoilets 06:41, 24 December 2007 (EST)

SoD

I would like to join SoD :D, hit me up IGN: Smooths Is Ftw; we'll have a conversation kk? Smooths 16:48, 25 December 2007 (EST)

The old SoD has disbanded. SoD still exists, but it isn't recruiting. I'd reccomend asking User:Rawrawr Dinosaur about Zeus, it's a PvX guild. Ibreaktoilets 16:50, 25 December 2007 (EST)

/wave. Invoke is recruiting srs gvgrs that don't have an absolutely shitty internet connection, leave GW for Tabula Rasu (extreme PvE faggotry) or whatever the fuck it is, or randomly leave for GvGs in Air Spike (which plays non-split builds because they're easy and has Frozen Isle as its hall because Air Spike isn't a GvG guild. It's like 960 or so). -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 05:00, 26 December 2007 (EST)

y, i guested with them with mending wammo and still won. 950 rating ftw. - Unexist 06:17, 26 December 2007 (EST)

Rawr refuses to let me run a BL when I guest =( Ibreaktoilets 06:26, 26 December 2007 (EST)

We're not actually bad, (well, i am, pretty much), but we rankbombed on purpose, and now Rawr makes us run absolute shit. Herogay-post-pets-nerf-in-gvg=ftllll.christmas doesnt warrant stupid sigs, people 00:00, 28 December 2007 (EST)

iirc we balled til VoD and owned them even though we had no NPCs. LOLWUT. Also, one member of tha team was like.... champ 3 or something — Skakid 05:03, 30 December 2007 (EST)

heroway ftw...also...TURTLE FTW ----InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 05:06, 30 December 2007 (EST)

and i'd stay in invoke if we GvGd more than twice =) — Skakid 05:06, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Was it vigor skakid? xd - Unexist 06:38, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Do you got

iQ?, grats alot tbh, im jelous Fishy Moooo 06:44, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Not really. It's a smurf and it's just going to be me + Snow etc pugging. Ibreaktoilets 08:43, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Eurospike

As far as i know, it had 3 mesmers and a Incoming para to buff armor of mesmers and increase armor. Never seen any team the current setting. - Unexist 17:11, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Eurospike lasted until SPain nerf, long after incoming was useless. It did have three mesmers, though. By that point, the build was 2 warriors or dervs with shadowsteps(SP axe or shadow walk derv), 3 mesmers, monks, flagger. --— Edru/QQ 17:14, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Now it's completely useless though, needs some heavy modding to make it work. ~~ Napalm Flame >=] (talk)·(contributions) 17:15, 4 January 2008 (EST)

/Duh. Anyway, as far as i know i haven't seen anyone run dual war when eurospiked. And I'm talking about the first days of eurospike, otherwise you can mention like 10 builds over there. - Unexist 17:18, 4 January 2008 (EST)

I recall some teams ran dual frontline in eurospike in the winterfest or whatever tournament(you know, the core/NF-only tournament late year before the one that just ended?). — Edru/QQ 17:30, 4 January 2008 (EST)

The tournement were alot of guilds also went invoke spike? - Unexist 14:23, 5 January 2008 (EST)

#puggvg

pug gvg IRC channel. gogogo --— Edru/QQ 17:14, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Gimmick of the month

Is it okay if I delete all of these redirects? ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 17:52, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Sure. Ibreaktoilets 17:58, 4 January 2008 (EST)

GvG

We need you in 20 minutes.(7 GMT) - Unexist 13:42, 9 January 2008 (EST)

okie dokie. Should be done by then. Ibreaktoilets 13:45, 9 January 2008 (EST)

Need you again. Right now. plx come and answer me @ gw. - Unexist 14:55, 10 January 2008 (EST)

QQ

I'm so bored, i'm spamming your chat page. QQ. - Unexist 09:45, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Do you think Tab drinks TaB soda? i think so. 13:14, 10 January 2008 (EST)

noones heard of that here fuckface 84.9.10.165 13:31, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Wanna go, bitch? and i have never actually seen TaB myself. 13:48, 10 January 2008 (EST)

U meen diss ?? IIIIwan13 14:13, 10 January 2008 (EST)

i lol'd DarkstoneKnight (Υ/ζ) 14:59, 10 January 2008 (EST)

seen it on teh interweb and family guy, never irl. so, does tab drink tab? 09:17, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Yes. Tab Moo 09:44, 11 January 2008 (EST)

That is way too cool. Is it your drink of choice after a good toilet breaking? 10:04, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Depends on my mood. It's good for cheering me up after a not so good breaking though. Tab Moo 11:05, 11 January 2008 (EST)

You stopped breaking toilets? QQ - Unexist 12:54, 11 January 2008 (EST)

lol wut i just bought a toilet as present for u ----InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 13:16, 11 January 2008 (EST)

You are also an epic elitist tab :D Fishy Moooo 07:18, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Congratulations

Oye i'm gud. - Unexist 06:22, 17 January 2008 (EST)

obaby --User:IbreaktoiletsTab Moo 06:23, 17 January 2008 (EST)

QQ who deleted it. - Unexist 09:58, 17 January 2008 (EST)

why delete :( Fishy Moooo 10:34, 17 January 2008 (EST)

"* 14:08, 17 January 2008 Auron (Talk | contribs) deleted "PvXwiki:Requests for Troll Master Status/Ibreaktoilets" (project namespace is not for jokes.)" –Ichigo724 10:48, 17 January 2008 (EST)

At least i am still nominated for moo master..... Fishy Moooo 14:53, 17 January 2008 (EST)

Oye my bad. - Unexist 03:23, 18 January 2008 (EST)

ever been in [time]?

Build stealer ;) himynameisbobbyjoe 14:44, 21 January 2008 (EST)

That's a dR build. --Tab Moo 16:09, 21 January 2008 (EST)

<3 c

Hi

wtf? moo Fishy Moooo 15:27, 23 January 2008 (EST)

hai

moo Tab is my special tabflake

Snow Bunny 17:24, 23 January 2008 (EST)

sig

Needs to show username. –Ichigo724 09:11, 25 January 2008 (EST)

²–Ichigo724 16:51, 29 January 2008 (EST)

HEY TAB

WHAT DO YOU CALL A GIRL WITH 1 LEG? — Skadiddly[슴Mc슴]Diddles 17:10, 25 January 2008 (EST)

A ONE LEGGED GIRL?--Tab Moo 17:12, 25 January 2008 (EST)

NO EILEEN — Skadiddly[슴Mc슴]Diddles 17:12, 25 January 2008 (EST)

I heard u liek phail at jokeing. Godbox 17:13, 25 January 2008 (EST)

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL i dont get it ----InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 17:40, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Nice joke!wtf was the joke? - Unexist 07:50, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Eileen. I-lean. Cuz she has one leg. --71.229 15:31, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Rofl. Kabu To 15:32, 28 January 2008 (EST)

My talk

Come and be the first one to troll! - Unexist 07:50, 26 January 2008 (EST)

HEY TAB

I luv yo momma. - Unexist 15:06, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Tab's momma

This user herd u liek Tab's momma.

Godbox 15:22, 28 January 2008 (EST)

moo--Tab Moo 15:56, 28 January 2008 (EST)

hay m8 wuts trolin lol — Skadiddly[슴Mc슴]Diddles 16:13, 28 January 2008 (EST)

he be quacking. 12:44, 31 January 2008 (EST)

gimmick of the month

.. dual ineptitude.. currently popular? broken sin chains? -- Nova -- (contribs) 20:22, 2 February 2008 (EST)

— Skadiddly[슴Mc슴]Diddles 20:26, 2 February 2008 (EST)

It's a slightly outdated version of the sinsplit shit everyone's running. --Tab Moo 05:34, 3 February 2008 (EST)

Oh lols. I thought bls was bugged and you could use it as an offhand again :/ -- Nova -- (contribs) 12:05, 3 February 2008 (EST)

I heard you liek mudkipz?

Then enjoy all this. Godbox 15:20, 5 February 2008 (EST)

Saw it a long, long time ago. --Tab Moo 15:32, 5 February 2008 (EST)

Mo/E Whirlwind Monk (talk · rate)

Can you update your rating discription to reflect the fact that whirlwind does not suffer the PBAoE aftercast? It's one of the few that aren't 1.75 seconds. Your point about the 3/4 second cast time remains valid. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aznhalf (contribs) .

Done. --Tab Moo 09:50, 8 February 2008 (EST)

You and I

I see the crystal raindrops fall
And see the beauty of it all
Is when the sun comes shining through
To make those rainbows in my mind
When I think of you some time
And I want to spend some time with you
Just the two of us
We can make it if we try
Just the two of us
Just the two of us
Building castles in the sky
Just the two of us
You and I

We look for love, no time for tears
Wasted water's all that is
And it don't make no flowers grow
Good things might come to those who wait
Not to those who wait too late
We got to go for all we know

Just the two of us
We can make it if we try
Just the two of us
Just the two of us
Building castles in the sky
Just the two of us
You and I

I hear the crystal raindrops fall
On the window down the hall
And it becomes the morning dew
Darling, when the morning comes
And I see the morning sun
I want to be the one with you

Just the two of us
We can make it if we try
Just the two of us
Just the two of us
Building big castles way on high
Just the two of us
You and I
—ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 17:26, 8 February 2008 (EST)

when r u 2 getting married? --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 17:32, 8 February 2008 (EST)

We have been for 6 months. --Tab Moo 17:36, 8 February 2008 (EST)

o i didnt know, do it alot? --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 17:38, 8 February 2008 (EST)

Yeah. --Tab Moo 17:39, 8 February 2008 (EST)

sounds cool --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 17:40, 8 February 2008 (EST)

Inorite?--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 22:17, 9 February 2008 (EST)

Moo Spike

--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 22:17, 9 February 2008 (EST)

Petoo PetooGpetoo Gpetoo --Tab Moo 04:50, 10 February 2008 (EST)

Wibbit--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 09:34, 10 February 2008 (EST)

its NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Moo

First. --Skakid Skakid 07:24, 11 February 2008 (EST)

ninja'd oshit. Punjab 07:44, 11 February 2008 (EST)

not First — Skadiddly[슴Mc슴]Diddles 09:02, 11 February 2008 (EST)

4th? ~~ frvwfr2 (T/C/Sysop) 09:05, 11 February 2008 (EST)

11th.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 09:14, 11 February 2008 (EST)

sigh, almost first. Fishy Moooo 12:59, 11 February 2008 (EST)

13th. - Unexist 11:33, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Bring back File:Tab Mudkip.gif

Now.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 10:21, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Auron won't let me use it :<--Tab Moo 10:34, 11 February 2008 (EST)

I'll be murdering him shortly then.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 10:51, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Your sofa, my genitals. NowToko 02:48, 16 February 2008 (EST)

<3

—ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 23:03, 14 February 2008 (EST)

Grinch is gay. Misfate 23:15, 14 February 2008 (EST)

lovely picture title, by the way. –Ichigo724 23:19, 14 February 2008 (EST)

Tab is a daddy. Yay. Cupcakes 4 all. - Unexist 12:07, 15 February 2008 (EST)

Wanna be the godfather? --Tab Moo 12:10, 15 February 2008 (EST)

I wanna be the godmother. 204.108.80.12 12:30, 15 February 2008 (EST)

YM wants to be the godmother. --Tab Moo 12:35, 15 February 2008 (EST)

What's a YM? 204.108.80.12 12:36, 15 February 2008 (EST)

YOUR MOM. –Ichigo724 11:39, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Gimmick Of The Month

Love your box, I think your next one should be the new dervspike that's been owning all the obs games (rawr's been losing to rank ~50s who use it). I'll post the build if you don't know what I'm talking about Phalmatticus 21:02, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Rawr's not that good, they work on standard tactics while not improvicising(or whatever you type it). Anwway, that build shouldn't be called eurohex since [HanD] started it(asian's), and eurohex is more the double conjure cripslash gimmick that people used for about a week or 2(in Cry times). —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 15:17, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Yeah I've noticed that too, losing 3-4 times to teams ranked ~50 and they're still running the same old balanced Phalmatticus 15:27, 4 March 2008 (EST)

Unexist is bad @ english — Skadiddly[슴Mc슴]Diddles 21:36, 4 March 2008 (EST)

Im fucking dutch and i sleep during english, what else do you expect? Of my 4 years of english at school, i might have done some actual english in about 3 lessons / year. That's 12 lessons instead of 500, keke? —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 07:54, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

facebook

LOL FAG — Skadiddly[슴Mc슴]Diddles 19:30, 8 March 2008 (EST)

--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 19:38, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Well, yeah. I'd have thought that was obvious when we had sex Ska. --Tab Moo 06:55, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Oh i hope you prot'd yourself from ska's syphilis. it burns when i pee nao >.<--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 19:36, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

No moar cuddles for u. --GuildofDeals 19:54, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Pussy — Skadiddly[슴Mc슴]Diddles 19:57, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

I managed to escape syphilis, but his crabs got me. --Tab Moo 11:11, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Crab spiked?--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 12:25, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Bai moo

Bai moo moooooooFishels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 18:23, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Userpage Charmander

What level is urs? Kthxbai.

I have level 100 shiny charrizard in Fire Red, took me awhile to get. :P --Super Igor 07:00, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

Can you believe this?

Skakid thinks fame is better than gankwars. wtffff? Misfate 10:14, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Wtf? Lynch him. --Tab Moo 11:23, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

1v1 gank wars gets boring fast =( — Skakid 11:28, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, so we need gankwars guild, misfate gets new computer, we make our guild famous for ganking, and we get gold cape. Misfate 11:45, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

SoD imo — Skakid 11:46, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Speaking of SoD, more pug later, less fail this time. --Tab Moo 12:20, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

I'll join; and play occasionally. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 13:58, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Moo

^ Fishels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 06:16, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

mah skillz

letz me sho u dem - PANIC! sexiness! 11:49, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

SPAM!

GvG build for scrubs, gogogo! - isery -TALK 16:46, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Para is pretty variable. You can go /Me, take GFTE over WY, and run Cry of Frustration / Power Spike / Mirror depending on what's giving you problems, or stay /W and take Harrier's Toss or Ballad of Restoration.

--Tab Moo 16:52, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Pff, scrubs run heroway, sway, hexes etc. My guild, for instance, runs hexes. Lord of all tyria 16:55, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

He said scrubs, not niggers. --Tab Moo 16:55, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

To clarify, scrubs that don't want to suck forever. Ok, just so I get an idea in terms of some variation depending on who we have to run what, a few viable swaps: One Shock Axe for a Magehunter's Smash and/or Mesmer for Cripshot? If the flagger has to split for base defence, who can prevent boosts, one of the Shock Axes? Call a spike using 1 shock axe, lightning orb, A-rage, GFTE+Vicious? - isery -TALK 17:01, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Magehunter's or Dev hammer can go over the W/Me easily, and you can drop either the Para or Ele for a Ranger (Mesmers are pretty much a staple of balanced builds). If your flagger splits, send whoevers being the least useful (apart from the monks) back to run flags. --Tab Moo 17:04, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Rawrway is strong, but they stopped running ice prison now so no ice prison for polly. Fishels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 17:55, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Gank wars

This weekend. Misfate 19:02, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Build:Me/Mo Signet of Zealots gogo - PANIC! sexiness! 15:00, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

HEY TAB?

WHY ARE NIGGERS GETTING STRONGER? — SkaKid 16:50, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

I DONT KNOW, WHY ARE NIGGERS GETTING STRONGER? --Tab Moo 16:52, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

BECAUSE TVs ARE GETTING BIGGER — SkaKid 16:53, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. --Tab Moo 16:54, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

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--Tab Moo 17:01, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Ups why did you block me on msn, nggr? —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 13:52, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

Because I couldn't be bothered talking to you ;o --Tab Moo 13:54, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

/Sandbox/GvG

Get on it, nigger--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 09:06, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

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7 day ban

Sigh. --Tab Moo 14:20, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

lolwhy? ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 14:20, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

"Inappropriate language" --Tab Moo 14:22, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

You mean like...French? ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 14:25, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

osht! Remember the good times!!!!! - PANIC! sexiness! 14:27, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

:< --Tab Moo 14:38, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

By 7:30 pm next Saturday, I'll have been banned for 10 of the last 14 days. Pussies using /Report for bullshit they couldn't even unless they actively decided they wanted to ruined Guild Wars. --Tab Moo 14:45, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

/agree x9000!!!! - PANIC! sexiness! 15:48, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

x9001. OSHT OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAND Ojamo 18:54, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

GvG

If you're serioues about me guesting some time, let me know what you're likely to want me to play so I can practice and/or tell you if I suck at it. Pussy. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:23, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Whatever you want. We normally BYOB or run shit like 3 wars, 3 eles. --Tab Moo 10:23, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

SIGNET OF ZEALOTS! RAOR!!!!!!! Probably shock axe then tbh. Roll some shit this weekend mebbe? - PANIC! sexiness! 10:28, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm away saturday and maybe sunday. --Tab Moo 10:29, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

You crazy kids with your "lives". - PANIC! sexiness! 10:31, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

University open day:< --Tab Moo 10:33, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Don't leave campus without stealing something. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:37, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 10:51, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

lol. I thought the original revert here was right. Uh oh, noob! ---> - PANIC! sexiness! 11:16, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

REVERT WARS

Gogo. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 10:24, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Piplup

Is toooo cute awwww. Fishels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 17:19, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 17:26, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

hes mine now gtfo --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 17:29, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

No. You're bad, go away. --Tab Moo 17:31, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

wut?...ur breaking my heart man =(...--InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 17:32, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

Don't be mean to piplup and our relationship can continue. --Tab Moo 17:40, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

owke, i dont wanna lose u =( --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 17:45, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

SoR

People still run it with SU and WY? Srsly 4 srs? - PANIC! sexiness! 11:08, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

TAB! TAB! srsly? TAB? - PANIC! sexiness! 11:19, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

I think people do, because if you are running SoR you want it to be stupidly defensive, so even nerfed defence is better than none. - isery -TALK 11:20, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Silly. And why not some kinda gay DA build? - PANIC! sexiness! 11:22, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Because you have Aegis? I thought DA was the way to go too, but I am wrong and I fail. It's probably because taking Motivation for the other SoR type chants is better than taking Command when you are being a defence whore. - isery -TALK 11:24, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Surprised people still run Aegis, too. Been seeing a lot of CoF+MoD+Cruel Paragons. Also, with DA I was thinking you could run loads of motivation stuff since it's leadership? - PANIC! sexiness! 11:26, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Oh, 'tis? I thought it was Command for some reason. I don't Paragon because they wear skirts. I think people like Cruel these days because their monks don't fail, but mine tend to, so, SoR, unless it stays nerfed, then we are hosed. - isery -TALK 11:41, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

skirts are cool —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 11:53, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Skirts are cool if you have the legs for them, I don't. My knees are fugly. - isery -TALK 11:56, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Rawr... Thoughts on the Para in Build:Team - GvG Paragon Balanced‎ and what to do with this build Build:P/W_Defensive_Anthem ? - PANIC! sexiness! 11:57, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Panic wears a skirt, as he lives in scotland. Thats what I think of them. —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 11:58, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

For your information, it's called a dress if it's 1 piece, Mister Man! Vent Accent btw. - PANIC! sexiness! 12:01, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Ganz fockin acka. Both of them are fine anyway. The nerf is being reverted, this is only in place for the tourney. Go read the damn update page. —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 12:02, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

orly? I didn't know they were going to revert SU! and WY! too, ya wee jessie. - PANIC! sexiness! 12:04, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

They arent gunna revert SU and WY, but theyre still good anyway, ya fuckin ippie. Im gonna go play some game, so bai2pvx for like an hour. —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 12:05, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Ignoring the recent update, people still run SoR in that type of build. I'll update it to the current bar now. --Tab Moo 12:24, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Porn links

Stay off the wiki. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 22:55, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Ur awesome tabby moo. Fishels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 03:37, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Where? needing alot —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 10:40, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

gogo my talk page history for pr0n --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 10:21, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

;o

Oh Tabflake.

Snow Bunny 00:18, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

My master is gone to sunday i belive x.x. Fishels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 14:41, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Sufficiently leet for you? [2] - PANIC! sexiness! 06:58, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

It's acceptable. For your convenience, here is a list of gud skills to be taken on a SF bar, in order of braveness:

1. Bstrike->Crushing->Bash
2. Bstrike->Dismember->Exec Strike
3. Bstrike->Sever->Gash
4. Wearying->Mystic->Eremites
5. Dshot + Savage Shot
6. Leaping Mantis Sting->Jungle Strike->Twisting Fangs
7. Iron Palm->Falling Spider->Twisting Fangs
8. Vicious Attack->Spear of Lightning->Harrier's Toss.

--Tab Moo 07:03, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

I dunno about that. Dshot and Savage don't put your 60AL hero into melee range. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:10, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Where does Shield Bash come in that Hierarchy? - isery -TALK 07:41, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Shield Bash is a cowardly skill. --Tab Moo 07:42, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:O - isery -TALK 07:46, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

And now I must go to school. Good day. --Tab Moo 07:47, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:O - isery -TALK 07:47, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

<3 - PANIC! sexiness! 15:54, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

HEY TAB

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A VACUUM CLEANER AND A EURO SPIKE TEAM? - PANIC! sexiness! 10:49, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

o..o...i think i know! a vacuum sux? --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 10:50, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

NO! THERE'S ONLY 1 DIRTBAG ON A VACUUM CLEANER! - PANIC! sexiness! 10:51, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

That was bad. The real answer is that euros suck harder--Tab Moo 10:52, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Stop being nice; it was actually awful. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:55, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

^--Tab Moo 10:57, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

^ - PANIC! sexiness! 10:58, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

^ --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 11:05, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

^--Tab Moo 11:21, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

^ - PANIC! sexiness! 11:23, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

HEY TAB! WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU'RE IN A HOTEL AND THERE'S A NAKED WOMAN BANGING ON YOUR DOOR SCREAMING FOR HELP? - PANIC! sexiness! 11:23, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Call a spike? --Tab Moo 11:23, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

NO! LET HER OUT! - PANIC! sexiness! 11:26, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

o ok --Tab Moo 11:27, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

true story. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:30, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

- PANIC! sexiness! 12:04, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 12:08, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

PokEmans

you play online? i normally run stall.-- aesthetic

I have done before. It's not something I do often though. --Tab Moo 04:33, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

So...

Mattie was telling me yesterday that he got suspended for 1 day from school for trolling PvX. Apparently the principal didn't appreciate the humor on our user pages. They also blocked PvX. Discuss or LOL as you deem appropriate. - PANIC! sexiness! 05:03, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

LOL --Tab Moo 05:14, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

lulz. Ojamo 07:19, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Im going for the LOL part. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 10:15, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm glad that my PC apps teacher is awesome. And I don't look at userpages much. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   10:18, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Also, I thought you'd appreciate this: http://www.vgcats.com/super/?strip_id=1 - PANIC! sexiness! 07:55, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Tbh, I've always had a fondness for calling him Nigger. --Tab Moo 10:15, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

troll troll lol troll.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 10:17, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

DARK. I CHALLENGE YOU TO A POKEMON BATTLE. --Tab Moo 10:19, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

DO YOU ACCEPT. --Tab Moo 10:24, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

WHO TOOLS AROUND IN A MERCEDES WHEN YOU HAVE TO HITCHHIKE EVERYWHERE? GARY OAK

WHO GETS ALL THE GIRLS WHEN YOU HAVE TO HANG OUT WITH THAT WHINY CUNT MISTY? GARY OAK

WHO ALWAYS SHOWS UP WHEN ALL YOU'RE POKEMON HAVE 3 FUCKING HEALTH? GARY MOTHERFUCKING OAK

in other words, i accept--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 19:24, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

• turns up wild pokemon theme* --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 19:47, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Get on MSN. We need to arrange this. --Tab Moo 10:11, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Team - Panic Pressure (talk · rate)

As with every HA build I come up with, I need your advice :P ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 12:08, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

zzzz

• Less SS wars. The only reason to run them was to spam Fear Me, now they're bad. Either run a single hammer war or a hammer + sword (sword can take SoC this way).
• One of the eles needs to go for a Migraine with Humility. I'd probably drop the WaH.
• Give the Panic mes Pleak over Pdrain, and I'd probably take Humility over Shatter.
• Completely change the necro to:

I've never really tried running hexes in HA though, so I can't say too much about how well it will work. --Tab Moo 12:14, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Should Make Haste be in there somwhere? I thought the synergy between Wither/Deprav and Panic was pretty awesome. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 12:17, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

People will just weapon swap to get rid or Wither/Malaise/Mind Wrack stacks. Sure, they'll take 180ish damage, but it's not that important. Make Haste should be there somewhere, but I dunno where. Either throw it on a Mes/the Mind Blaster, or give the Mind Blaster a Djinn's Haste of some form. --Tab Moo 12:18, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

So, Magehunter's, Cripslash, Migraine Pleak on the Me and SS? Seems alright but, I'd want to have more energy hate in there. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 12:21, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Erf Shaakur, Cripslash, Mind Blast, Migraine, Panic, SS, RC, HB. Energy hate is a waste of time in HA, you may aswell just take Inspired/Rip Enchantment to kill Channeling and either add a bit more degen or give yourself free energy. --Tab Moo 12:22, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

K, I get it. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 12:25, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Uhm, what should the migraine look like? ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 12:51, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Migraine, cover, interrupts, Humility, Persistance, hard res, maybe Inspired Enchant. --Tab Moo 13:14, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

I just copy-pasta'd it. I see you put Phantasm in there. Still don't know where I'ma put "Make Haste!" though. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 13:37, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

The Migraine could probably take it if you really want it. It's that or Storm Djinn's on the ele. --Tab Moo 13:45, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

I don't know what to put it in for on the ele. Arage? ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 13:50, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

One of the heats. --Tab Moo 13:50, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Awkay ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 14:02, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

pokemon

stop owning me ffs --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 11:32, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

<3--Tab Moo 11:33, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

i got epic team now, now ill own u --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 12:51, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Or maybe not. --Tab Moo 13:11, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

errr yah...=( --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 13:37, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

so i herd

ur gud at GvG? Could you then tell me what you need for it, because I don't understand a fuck about it. You need a runner, who also should be able to defend the NPCs against attempts to gank these, right? You need a backline of two monks, midline of at least one ranger, and you need a frontline of dervishes/warriors, correct so far? But what the fuck is splitting? And how do you do that? Is there any difference between the maps, and is it major? How does this work? Spiking every 15th second doesn't seem worth it. Godbox 05:23, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

There arent really any strict class requirements like rangers, it's more that you need to be able to do certain things. (This is going to be about balanced by the way - gimmicks just do one or two things well). Basically, you need:

• Enough defence to not wipe. That's obviously going to change depending on how good you are.
• A flag runner. You don't have to have a stereotypical defend the base from ganks and run flags, it's possible to run more offensive ones too, although these are by far the most common due to splitting your monks not being a good idea most of the time.
• Damage. Usually two warriors with midline support should be enough. You need enough damage to keep the other team on their toes all the time, if they aren't under any pressure, you're going to collapse no matter how much defence you take (within reason).
• Shutdown, both offensive and defensive. Knockdowns, interrupts, enchantment removals, hexes, disables, energy denial are the main forms of offensive shutdown. Depending on playstyle, you need to be able to either take down layers of defence on spikes, ie remove enchants, as well as use interrupts to stop key skills that will stop your spikes from getting through (Guardian, Blinding Surge, Blurred Vision, Ward Against Melee etc) and knockdowns such as Bull's Strike to make the spike target unable to kite and/or one of the monks unable to stop it. If you're playing a more pressure based playstyle, you're going to need a lot more defence, as you won't be able to pressure effectively unless you shut down the majority of their defence, which is where interrupts, disables (Distracting Shot and Diversion) and energy denial are more effective.
• Defence. Depending on your mentality, you're either going to take just enough defence to survive long enough to wipe the other team, or lots of defence and end up playing a more spikish build. As a bare minimum, you'll generally want two standard monks, someone capable of defending the base from splits (usually the flagger), and maybe some form of minor midline defence, such as a Ward. What else you take depends on player skill and what playstyle you prefer, so that's up to you.
• Adaptability. You mentioned the maps, and they're a pretty big factor in whether or not GvG builds work. For example, on one end of the spectrum, you have Frozen Isle while is as splittable are you're going to get, and pretty much impossible to fight 8v8 on unless both teams are determined to do so, while on the other you have Burning, which is hard to split on, and has relatively small spaces to fight on, which encourages 8v8 play. In ladder play, which is the most common form of GvG, you need to be able to play effectively on all the different types of maps, as unless you're going to be playing on your opponents maps just as often as you will be on your own. Not only that, but you need to be adaptable in what builds you can go against. While rock/paper/scissors might work reasonable well for farming points in TA and HA, it doesn't really work too well in GvG, so balanced builds need to be able to pressure, defend, spike, split, defend from splits, control movement etc. Which brings us onto:
• Splitting. As a very basic definition, splitting is what the name suggests - splitting off one or more members of your team to give yourself some form of advantage, such as a positional one, stopping their flag coming in so you can boost, ganking one of their team members while they're alone, or killing off some of their NPCs so that you have a VoD advantage. One of the things you'll probably think is "But if my team suddenly has 5-6 players against their 7-8, won't they just kill us and then deal with the split?", which can be true if you're either totally outclassed by them or splitting badly. The fairly standard split in a balanced build is one of your warriors, your ranger, and sometimes your flag runner depending on whether or not the two are going to need support. Without these, the flagstand team won't do that much damage, but it's also not lost much defence at all, so you aren't going to get rolled within a minute or so if you weren't getting rolled before. Also, due to VoD being the most important part of a match, teams don't want to let you get any NPC advantage whatsoever, so they'll normally send back their flag runner to defend as a minimum, which is why splitting can be useful to push for morale, and depending on how non-euro adventurous they are, they might send back some of their offence, usually a mirror of your split in order to try and get a kill or two. So basically, splitting is letting members of your team run about alone or in small groups in order to gain an offensive advantage, or prevent the other team from doing so.
• VoD. As I mentioned before, VoD is the most important part of almost all GvGs between teams of roughly equal skill. At VoD, every player and NPC does more damage and has less health. At 18 minutes, the Archers, Footmen, Knights and Bodyguard all come to the flagstand, and at 20 minutes, the Guild Lord comes there too. As you've suddenly got vast amounts of damage coming into play, VoD forces deaths on both sides, which is why VoD tactics are run. The most common one is running lots of defence with a spike and a Splinter Weapon or two, which lets you tank alot of the NPC damage at VoD while farming them with Splinter and your own NPCs, while your buffed up spikes take out their team. Alternatively, you can run an offensive VoD tactic such as splitting, where you take out all of their NPCs, while retaining your your own, and usually having control of the flagstand.
• Maps. I mentioned before that there's maps that encourage splitting and maps that encourage 8v8, such as the classic example of Frozen Isle vs Burning Isle. There's also some other maps, such as Imperial Isle, which are 8v8 maps that can also be split on very well, as well as pretty others that are slightly biased towards one playstyle in one way or the other. Layout differences aside, there's also differences in whats on the map, such as what NPCs there are, where they are, where the flagstand is, where the flag is, whether or not there's a Guild Theif and Gate Lock, and environmental effects. The main ones are the last two - the Guild Thief allows you to control your opponents ability to split, as if their Thief is dead, they can't split untill the next two minute mark, and when pushing into a base, Gate Locks mean your team needs more coordination so that you don't end up with people locked outside. There's an environmental effect of one form or another on almost every map, each of which gives you a different tactic to exploit, such as snaring people on the ice (and avoiding being snared yourself) on Frozen Isle, killing flaggers in the Acid Traps on Imperial and using the catapults to eliminate NPC advantages or cause badly positioned teams to wipe on Warrior's, Hunter's and Wizard's Isles.

That's all I can think of for the basics at the moment, so onto Shockwave Spike. You'll notice that it has Obsidian Flame on each of the eles, which is actually the spike you'll be using most of the time. Shockwave is there to give you a powerful AoE spike that goes under Spirit Bond and isn't bothered about PS every 15 seconds.

</wall of text>

--Tab Moo 06:46, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

You actually were constructive? —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 06:49, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

;o --Tab Moo 06:50, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Thanks :p Think I got some more understanding, will copy paste it. Godbox 06:54, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Hey, God, there is a GvG guide on PvX, you know :P ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 06:58, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Ups. --Tab Moo 09:24, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

this crap? It's bad anyhoo. Godbox 15:13, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Better than anything you could even attempt to make. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 22:27, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

^In your face, God :D ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 22:28, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

GOD ZOMG Enjoy phailer! 22:30, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

(ec)

On archive :( ~ ĐONT*TALK 10:10, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

iOwn --Tab Moo 10:11, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

FC

What's your friend code? —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 22:31, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

2277 7357 5032 --Tab Moo 04:47, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Ok, I'll be on 15:30 EST (20:30 GMT), hopefully. At least if everything pans out. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 06:33, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Ohai euro man

Please, finnish that messpike build. <3. Need to be very euro and very very very much passives with strong spike btw. So like, 8 necro's. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 05:52, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

wut messpike ;o --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 05:53, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

--Tab Moo 06:15, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Strong AND brave :P ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 06:22, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Moar strong and moar brave. needs moar Arcane Mimicry to copy elemental attunement from your water/warding ele Enjoy phailer! 06:41, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

no pve skills either? lol nub --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 19:06, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Today's word is...

"brochure". Use it in a sentence. Dat bro sure can throw a ball. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:22, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

So yeh imma hav 2 trayn mah munkle skillz in RA 4 lyk 3 wEkz wyle us fnsh ur Xams - PANIC! sexiness! 06:24, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Dat bro sure can learn to monk. --Tab Moo 06:27, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

I'ma bettr tho ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 06:28, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

'cause all us foreigners are like "Let's GvG" and all you limeys are like "NO WAY! WE HAVE EXAMS! >:(" so we're always like 3 short. like. like. like. like like like like. like. like like. - PANIC! sexiness! 06:29, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

WAIT was I there? D: ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 06:30, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

TBH, I'd still come if you didn't want to start at 11 the night before I have an important exam. --Tab Moo 06:31, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

I blame the Americans, personally. wtf running 7 hours behind everyone else? - PANIC! sexiness! 06:33, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Europeans are just ahead of you all. We're from the future, ohsht. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 06:34, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

I'll see if I can get you some GvG at a semidecent time tonight. --Tab Moo 06:38, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

nice. In return I shall bring you a growlithe skin coat. you'll look like a PokePimp. - PANIC! sexiness! 06:47, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

No. Growlithes are cute. I forbid you to hurt them ;o --Tab Moo 06:47, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

They were skinned when I found them. Honest, Officer Jenny. Also, I always liked Ninetails. Always looked really snooty and fire spin was probably the most annoying thing to use on your friends. - PANIC! sexiness! 06:50, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Also, this week's Super Effective is pretty funny: http://www.vgcats.com/super - PANIC! sexiness! 06:55, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

I've got an exam now. Bai. --Tab Moo 06:56, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

don't forget the deep fried chips I made you for lunch, honey! They're in curry sauce! Your favoriiiite! - PANIC! sexiness! 06:58, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

So how did the test go? And are you having this awesome weather, too? - PANIC! sexiness! 10:35, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Pretty easy. And it was decent weather untill I read that message. It's literally just started raining. --Tab Moo 10:36, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

osht Jinxed. (see what I did there?) - PANIC! sexiness! 10:41, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

There's a blue hamster behind your house. Godbox 10:49, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Watch this -> http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/377178 - PANIC! sexiness! 10:50, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

SPLASH! Sais the hamster. Godbox 11:10, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Build Master

iz u :> ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 17:09, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

gz --71.229 17:09, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Grats. Also, you should archive soon. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 17:10, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

gz. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:11, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Thanks <3. I'll archive now people have a reason to use my page. --Tab Moo 17:12, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Yes. -Shen 17:14, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Gz on Bm <3 Frosty! 17:15, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

lolololol, you have to watch the admin noticeboard now :D ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 17:17, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

File:Gible.jpg --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 17:20, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Strong and brave, grats taby moo, lets do ha or sync ra tommorov. Fishels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 18:06, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

GIBLE GIBLE GIBLE —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 18:22, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Now strong dual BM will pwn chinese 1 of ra <3. We neeedz to sync moar. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 08:42, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

We need a higher success rate when we sync tbh. I get more glads with actually random teams. --Tab Moo 12:07, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Synching = free glad points, if you run a TA team :P When it's crowded there's a very small chance you'll be in eachother's team though :< ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 12:09, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

lol secret sync location --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 12:17, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Tonight

I believe that Tabasaurus Rox and Panicdon Suxaloticus need to GvG with Skadactyl and mebbe Rawrawr Dinosawr and mebbe Grinchalosephylus for lulz and glories. - PANIC! sexiness! 08:58, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

Grinch is now a fulltime pokemon trainer. --Tab Moo 08:59, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

I figured he'd be atleast 80% pokemon now so that's why he's a mebbe. Rawr's also a mebbe because apparently his family's euro, too, 'cause they're running pspike aka youshouldbestudyingforexamsWAY. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:01, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

Or mebbe Rawr's at his Dad's this weekend. Either way... - PANIC! sexiness! 09:02, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

I'll see what I can arrange tonight. --Tab Moo 09:04, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

In other news, I ran some kinda pussy build for Maw The Mountain Heart. Basically 2x R/N (Touch, Touch, OoB) and 1x N/Mo (OoB, Protective Bond). So easy. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:06, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

Pft. My Maw build is more pussyish. HB, WoH and Barrier/Bond monks, SY spammer, 4 touchers. --Tab Moo 09:07, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

You can't run that solo with H&Hs. I just stuck the N/Mo behind that wall and disabled everything but OoB and then just flagged the touchers up next to him. Took like 30 or 40 seconds I think. Not longer than two minutes for sure. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:10, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

Pick me! ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   09:11, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

Tbh, I owned faced that night. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 18:31, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

Exploding PvE gogo comments! - PANIC! sexiness! 07:17, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

A/D_AoD_Scythe_Sin (talk · rate)

If your gonna kill premades vote, take off Crossfire's as well.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 15:05, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Wait for me to finish killing first tbh. --Tab Moo 15:06, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

o so sorry. *respectful silence*--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 15:07, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

<3 --Tab Moo 15:10, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

<3

Tabasaurus Rex, I salute you.

I have champ opportunities for you. pm me ingame.Snow Bunny 02:48, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

Snow McBrave. --Tab Moo 03:26, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

beefman

File:Beefman conan.jpg

—ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 07:22, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

So strong. --Tab Moo 07:32, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

<me--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 08:09, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

Wail of Doom

You preveil against it?!?! Am I missing something? - isery -TALK 11:37, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

You can do. I veil myself if they're trying to spike while I'm under WoD. --Tab Moo 11:43, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

I probably needed to add the caveat "in RA". In RA they just spam WoD on recharge and spikes are random and uncoordinated so I tend to find my Veil is more useful to keep my frontliners clean so they can kill the bloody WoD necro and I just throw out heals and prot in the gaps. Shield Bash is just as effective under WoD :D - isery -TALK 11:47, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

Meh. I've never been against WoD in non-sync RA. --Tab Moo 11:50, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

It's terrible! That fucking WoD guy always hit my WoH... fuck. I need to stop playing monk I'm fucking terrible at it. Godbox 14:08, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

WoD'ing WoH is meh. It cost you 5 energy; so what. WoD'ing after a q-lock, or on a insidious, however, is deadly. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 08:20, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for the vote

Wow! Not a 0.0.0? I appreciate it =). I was playing with the idea of a MOI/purge signant Martr build for GVG support, think that has any validity to it? Shireen former sysop 14:02, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

Martyr's pretty useless now that RC is meta. The only time it was ever decently good was in summer '06 with split builds for bar compression. --Tab Moo 14:04, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

Vote removal

Yeah, I think I am off of that habit. It used to be that I was pretty much the only one checking it in the Build section. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   09:03, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

Plz 2

remove all the crap off the top of your userpage (where the names are)? It just looks kinda ugly, and you *are* a bm... -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 11:00, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

:< --Tab Moo 11:01, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

BM=/Admin, who cares about snowachu? —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 13:02, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

He meant the Unexist Fish Unexist Fish thing --Tab Moo 13:03, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

But.... it owns RA! —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 08:21, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

You mean this? --GuildofDeals 08:22, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

I needz moar mudkipz

how do i get mudkips on my user page?? Holyducks 12:13, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

{{Userbox|blue|lightblue|[[Image:Tab_Mudkip.gif]]|This user herd u liek Mudkip.}} --Tab Moo 12:16, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

My page crashes every time i try and edit it, can u try? Holyducks 12:19, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

There you go Tab

I fixed it for you. Rankslap away. - isery -TALK 17:34, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

<3 --Tab Moo 17:38, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

That, was beautiful. - isery -TALK 17:40, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

Sock Rating

Build:A/E AoD Spike Sin

by Frvwfr2 -- Lann 19:41, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

...He's not a sock. .Frvwfr2 is. --GuildofDeals 20:03, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

o theres 2 :X nvm then :) -- Lann 20:06, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

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You guys... - PANIC! sexiness! 10:36, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

He needs to be wrong about less of them :< --Tab Moo 10:37, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Meh. Tag 'em all and let TAB sort 'em out imo. ;) - PANIC! sexiness! 10:38, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

It's what we're doing now tbh PIANC. --Tab Moo 10:38, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

It's like a PvX version of Abbot and Costello. Also, Dual War TA tonight or GvG or what? - PANIC! sexiness! 10:41, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Either GvG or HA. Ska wants to start learing to monk ;o --Tab Moo 10:41, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

He'd be pretty good I think. He's a good Ritualist; I don't see him having any trouble making the shift across to Monk from there. Also, HA sounds good actually. So long as we aren't going to get fagged by fucking telespikes all night. Otherwise my vote's for R1k lulz. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:44, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

He's a splinter rit in ha, which is all about redbarring strength and honor and judge's insight, doing splinter when at nuke points, using ancestors on 3 2 1. Even my penis could do that. That's not really much of monking tbh. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 17:54, 24 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm sure your penis splinters daily. –Ichigo724 22:08, 24 May 2008 (EDT)

Ask tabby moo for how pro my penis is. <3 —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 08:22, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

It is like a gnarled old oak tree. But not as big. --Tab Moo 09:59, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

Build:Team - Broken Shadow Form

Why did you revert my edit? The QZ Heal bar does not have SoH, so I removed it from the usage for that particular build. Actually look at what was removed next time. ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡I͡n͡f͡i͡d͡e͡l̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı__̡͌l̡* 10:26, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

Ups. --Tab Moo 10:30, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

u play too much pve. Godbox 10:52, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

I am strong pve. --Tab Moo 10:55, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

Tab

Need non-meta healers for Godliest's competition. Brave suggestions plx. - isery -TALK 04:35, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

Glyph of Renewal infusers. --Tab Moo 04:36, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

Maybe not the exact healers, but you inspired them. Less than three Tab, less than three. - isery -TALK 04:53, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

<e? --Tab Moo 04:54, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

Less than e to the power of negative one. I want to try those healers in RA tonight now. Also Sir Snarealot. - isery -TALK 04:59, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

<0.37 is a fairly small value. --Tab Moo 05:05, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

That is how epic I predict those healers will be in RA. I expect many PMs. - isery -TALK 05:08, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

My fails

I am epic fail when it comes to interrupts while only mildly failing at everything else. Is it worth trying to improve my most epic fails, or should I just pick a couple of mild fails and try to push them into barely acceptables? I think it's getting to be time to put Sir Snarealot aside and try to suck less. - isery -TALK 06:47, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

You have 24 hours to learn to dshot WoH consistently. Gogo! --Tab Moo 06:48, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Zomg I'm at work. I'll practice throwing rocks at squirrels and birds to see if that improves my dshot. - isery -TALK 06:51, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Fuck work, just install gw on the computers there. --Tab Moo 06:51, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

No admin account and I am not very H4X. - isery -TALK 06:55, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Take a laptop with you. --Tab Moo 06:56, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

+1. I think they have good wireless here actually. When I'm back in the lab more that should work pretty darn good. You know, maybe I'll just start running a Magebane in RA. Chuck purge on it to help out all the fail monks. I only have two glad points left to go and Magebane counts as a gimmick when you fail at it as much as I do. - isery -TALK 06:58, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Sync RA with me and Unexist. We need a strong bitchroler because he's too bad to kill stuff solo. --Tab Moo 06:59, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

You could invite me, TAB. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:01, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Bitchroles are the best roles. I'm too strong for you Panic. - isery -TALK 07:02, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

You're always fucking busy eating haggis and throwing telegraph poles about. --Tab Moo 07:03, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

mah hammar iz teh strongxorz tho! raor! - PANIC! sexiness! 07:04, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Tab's always busy with PvE tbh. - isery -TALK 07:05, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Bitchroles don't involve hammers:< They involve buffing the shit out of people with as much passive stuff as you can fit on your bar. You have to be german for that kind of thing. I am strong PvE, however I am moving onto AB now. --Tab Moo 07:06, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

So run Monk, Bitch, 2xWarrior. lolRA. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:09, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

See Team - TA Dual Warrior. We only run 3 people in sync though, it takes forever to get 4 in :< --Tab Moo 07:10, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

If you are running Luxon AB I actually know some of the best people I have ever seen in AB. I know that sounds retarded, but seriously. There is one guy who ALWAYS wins, no matter the map, no matter the teams. He wins AB by himself. You just stand back and watch, it's epic. - isery -TALK 07:12, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

He sounds strong and honourable. Could you get me an invite to his guild? --Tab Moo 07:12, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

His guild is my guild and I'm an officer so you win. - isery -TALK 07:13, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Obaby. Is he your strong Shock Axe war? --Tab Moo 07:14, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Nah, he does it as a water ele nuker. It's so not the build that wins it for him, he just has an epic understanding of positioning and shrine capping. He runs around those maps like crazy. We do also have some terribly bad ABers, and strong ones like the Healing Breeze Hundred Blades Wammo. - isery -TALK 07:16, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I still have a lot to learn in the ways of AB. I always get caught up chasing someone with a ridiculous PvE name so I can solo them and rank their corpse :< --Tab Moo 07:17, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I can show you how to move around the map and pretty much only ever run into other players when some fgt assassin decides to rush in and try to solo you. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:19, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Teach us to be brave Tab and we will show you the ways of AB. - isery -TALK 07:19, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

We have a deal. And tbh, fuck that. I'm not ABing if i don't get to solo pve'rs. I'd rather PvE than cap for 15mins. --Tab Moo 07:21, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Just let us win the AB while you go and solo people. - isery -TALK 07:23, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Obaby. --Tab Moo 07:23, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

tbh you only need 2 people on a team to win. A Resto Rit with splinter and an axe warrior or a dervish. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:25, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I've always been more for ele cappers, but like a million builds can cap any shrine easy. My favourite is to be on vent and run spike builds. AB is serious. Everyone in AB runs at least 2 superiors so spike builds wtfpwn them. - isery -TALK 07:27, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

User:Ibreaktoilets/How to be brave --Tab Moo 07:27, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

E-gads. Consider your side of the bargain fulfilled. - isery -TALK 07:36, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 07:41, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I think tonight we should run a mob-slayer AB team. Disease, EoE, and Putrid Assplosion ahoy! - PANIC! sexiness! 07:46, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

No. 3 of those R/Ws and a OoS boonprot with Splinter/Rage. --Tab Moo 07:48, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Aw. But extincterifying AB is fun :( - PANIC! sexiness! 07:52, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

No. 3 of those R/Ws and a OoS boonprot with Splinter/Rage. --Tab Moo 07:48, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

We are TRYING to learn to be brave Panic, geez. - isery -TALK 07:55, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Brave it is then. But I expect us to be wearing only loincloths and to have women in binikis clinging to our legs. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:57, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

See the hawt build page for updates. --Tab Moo 07:58, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

^ - isery -TALK 08:02, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 08:04, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Hurray! Bravetag! - PANIC! sexiness! 08:30, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Dear Tab

In a few hours, I'm clearing FoW. Come assist me. EARS OF THE WOODS 07:32, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Most certainly, noble warrior. --Tab Moo 07:33, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Our lack of FoWing saddens me greatly :< --Tab Moo 08:19, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

GvG Update

That looks like it's designed to rape at VoD, seems considerably more offensive as well. What was wrong with the old flagger? In any case, I suspect irrelevant. I can't even get a team of four together for TA from that guild these days, although I can AB as much as I want! - isery -TALK 11:15, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

The flaggers the same, but with MOAR HEALING. Thats just zzzspike then VoD farm, ie scrubway. 11:18, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

In future I should just guest two brave monks then tell everyone they can be warriors. That will make them happy. - isery -TALK 11:20, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

What about the guy that wants to be an ele? :< --Tab Moo 11:21, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

E/W. - isery -TALK 11:23, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

So powerful. --Tab Moo 11:25, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

First

--Tab Moo 11:25, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

What is up with this whole firsting yourself trend? - isery -TALK 11:43, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Just so happens that everyone secretly thinks Panic is awesome. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:50, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

TAB

hai. Smurf Ohai 13:13, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

<3 --Tab Moo 13:15, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I need money

Leave your IGN and how much you're donating here. --Tab Moo 16:48, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Faiths Monk. 8 million billion platinum. EARS OF THE WOODS 16:49, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

2 gold --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 16:54, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Ears Goes Ele and Auron Elessedil. 100k each. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 17:02, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Isaiah Cartwright. All the $ in the game. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:04, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

How do you get dollars in gw --Tab Moo 17:05, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

some guy called Infested Pedolisk donates 50k + 20 ectos --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 17:06, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

ohaidere

Your thoughts, please, on the optionals for my very euro TA build? User:Panic/Build - ScythagonWAY‎ - PANIC! sexiness! 08:14, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

Powerful euro build. Anything like that will either roll scrubs or get rickrolled by non-scrubs. --Tab Moo 08:16, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

Yeah it's pretty unbalanced at the moment. Suggestions? Maybe be super euro and run like two hex stackers, and the conjure derv? - PANIC! sexiness! 08:22, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

Meh, deep wound spam works best when you have something like a hammer war killing stuff while you spam. The usual setup is something like a war, derv or R/D, necro or mesmer, monk. That would work for mindless glad farming in an elaborate game of rock/paper/scissors though. --Tab Moo 08:25, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

So 2x[degen and anti-melee] + DW spam is pretty meh you reckon? - PANIC! sexiness! 08:32, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

People spec against hexes like crazy in TA. You see teams with Veil, Purge and Spotless pretty regularly. --Tab Moo 08:33, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

yeh ok then. - PANIC! sexiness! 08:42, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

Migraine, WoD/CE and a BA works pretty good. Only really people who Patient->Contemplation remove Migraine consistently. - isery -TALK 08:45, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

So basicly; you're taking a BA ranger over a guy that does serious dps and pressure? Bad. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 15:17, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

People used to run that alot. Stop the monk from doing anything and stack 10 degen on their team ;o --Tab Moo 15:23, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

It's mostly pretty gay Unexist. Matches take a while and it basically relies on monks being bad. - isery -TALK 15:45, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Prot

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   15:52, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

<3 --Tab Moo 15:53, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Tab Is HawtFile:Funshine bear.gif 15:53, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Tab Is HawtFile:Funshine bear.gif 15:57, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Your signature

Isn't a template today. What gives? You should subst the unprotected one which puts in the protected one. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 04:50, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

wut --Tab Moo 04:51, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

u

rly break toilets? --Super Igor *ninja!!* 05:58, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

Yes. --Tab Moo 05:58, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

And you'll be wanting a new sig now :< --Tab Moo 06:00, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

Possible copyvios

Can you provide attribution for Image:Tab Mudkip.gif, Image:Tab Piplup.jpg and Image:Tab Piplup Reflect.JPG? Thanks. -Auron 18:52, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

He obviously made them Auron. --Readem 18:56, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

That's a load of crap. The others I can see were hand-made (the ones I didn't ask about), but that mudkip gif that uses the standard mudkip pose? That's obviously not user-made. -Auron 19:21, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

Sarcasm is funnier on the internet. --Readem 19:26, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

Those are from google images. You're free to delete them if that's copyvio. --Tab Moo 06:13, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

The mudkip one reminds me of the images at bulbapedia, which I believe are incompatible with our license... but I'm not sure, and it might be a different image. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 12:52, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

Do you have any idea why I got kicked? Because I'm kind of confused right now... ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 13:48, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

Ask Grinch. I wasn't really paying attention. --Tab Moo 13:58, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

He ignored me. I guess he really doesn't like me for some weird reason, since all he said was that I was having a negative attitude towards everyone, which I highly doubt... ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 14:00, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

Poor Ricky, but some screens of your conversations show exactly what grinch says about you. --Super Igor File:Igor Ninjask.png *ninja!!* 07:24, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Pff, the whole guild talks like that. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:42, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

I have only seen a screen with you talking like that, didnt see others. :) --Super Igor File:Igor Ninjask.png *ninja!!* 07:53, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, that's when they demoted me because I'm Dutch. It's all meant to be fun, etc. I didn't mean it. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:58, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

[3]

It's the thought that counts. — Skakid 14:55, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

Im a daddy

mgrinshpon@gmail.com zegt:
Well, I <3 you too, dad.
- Jeroen zegt:
=D
mgrinshpon@gmail.com zegt:
You're the best dad ever. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 07:02, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

That means you're my father in law. --Tab Moo 07:02, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

My dead dad is fantastic. He smells better than other dead dads. The only problem is that he's so boring. We never do anything together. He just sits there. Never plays with me and my legos like he did before, and never reads me bedtime stories. Still, he's the best dead dad ever. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 07:26, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

NIGGERSCYTHE. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 11:19, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Frosty's Sig

What did you do?... ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   09:59, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

? --Tab Moo 10:01, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

His talk page link goes to your talk page. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   10:02, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

That's because he copied my carebear sig code. He's changed it already I think. --Tab Moo 10:02, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

Refer to Frosty's talk page tbh. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 10:03, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

I woulda seen that if it went to the right page lol. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   10:04, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

Second Half of 2008

[4] — Skakid 09:05, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

obaby. Go on some web version of MSN tbh, I need to shittalk for a bit :< --Tab Moo 09:07, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Sproing! - PANIC! sexiness! 06:16, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

+1 --Tab Moo 06:17, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

RA

<3. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 09:12, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

d. </3. --Tab Moo 12:58, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

I shall upload a picture soon that I believe you will enjoy. Ready yourself now by wearing loose pants. - PANIC! sexiness! 05:51, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

I am prepared. Hit me with all you've got. --Tab Moo 05:51, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Enjoy? - PANIC! sexiness! 06:01, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

obaby. I enjoyed that hugely. --Tab Moo 06:03, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

It's amusing because it's a baby who looks like he's saying OOOOOBABY! - PANIC! sexiness! 06:04, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

And now something for you --Tab Moo 06:06, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Reads like The Raven. I likes it. - PANIC! sexiness! 06:12, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Only 1 archive?

Really? - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 06:19, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 06:20, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Too hawt for archives? Godbox 06:22, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

ayup. - PANIC! sexiness! 06:23, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

In Tabworld, you troll trolls! --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 07:27, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

I CHALLENGE YOU TO A BATTLE

File:Pokemanpolitics.gif--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 19:46, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Epic. Godbox 06:26, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

I love

The RedMeat comic this week: http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/current/index.html - PANIC! sexiness! 06:10, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 06:11, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

Halp

Magehunter kd locks the WoH while the evis shadows in on the target and the ele takes a huge dump on it with shatter+steam. viable or pipedream? if it could work, suggestions on the midline and which runner? post on the page talk please.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 19:06, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

[5]

Moloch makes a valid point. The entire premise of the build is counterintuitive; coping with threats quickly doesn't mean waiting for rising bile. -Shen 19:28, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

Rising Bile alone isn't that great, but it's a pretty effective build generally speaking, and definately not deserving of that vote. --Tab Moo 04:17, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Please motivate yourself. I have given extensive reasoning for my vote. You removed it with one word: "No." You give votes motivating yourself with sentences like "This owns PvE", and allow similar votes to stand if they concur with your own opinion. Moloch 06:08, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Griefing

Please do not remove my ratings with no explanation. (As in the Softening Bile vote.) As for my voting on the CoP/FoC build: CoP and Ether Nightmare is a potent skill combination and it's hard to go wrong combining them. Thus, the build becomes "working", but as a BUILD, you can do FAR better than what was presented. I wouldn't expect anyone to vote "great" on a build that has simply got Spiteful Spirit and 12 in Curses and Soul Reaping, even though this would be a working build for nearly all of the game. Moloch 22:30, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

I never said give it a great vote. Your votes will generally be removed when you say a build works and then give it a vote that says it doesn't. --Tab Moo 04:18, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

If the build works, but you can perform the exact same job better on the same or another class, do I have to give it a "working" vote? One of my builds were "well"-tagged because it was "inferior to a Paragon SY/TNTF spammer". It was, and thus my general understanding was, "do not give a good vote to a build that can be beat by another". Moloch 06:06, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

If a build is working, but both similar and inferior to an existing build, discuss a WELL tag on it's talk page. You can't trash vote something that isn't a trash build due to another build being similar. --Tab Moo 06:48, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

RA Meta Warrior

How many times have you seen this merry fellow prancing about RA screaming at you for being a noob? Ups I posted your super secret awesome build that noone can ever know about! ONOZ WIKIFAGS HAZ MAH UNBEATABLE 1V1 BUILD!!!!!1!11!!!!11 <pvxbig> [build prof=w/mo sword=8+3 tact=12+1+3 Healing=10][Thrill of Victory][Final Thrust][Deadly Riposte][Riposte][bonettis defense][Healing Breeze][For Great Justice][Healing Signet][/build] </pvxbig> - PANIC! sexiness! 08:22, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

^ +1 --Tab Moo 08:25, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

dood frenzy is baed bcuz u tayk 2x dmg but it dont mayk u hav doin 2x dmg!! dats y u dyed & im da last 1 alyv ALWYAS bcuz mah bild is so awsum but mah teem is alywas baed lyk u so we nvr win. accept 1 tym i got 10 wns bcuz we had an azasin & he wuz so gud. he had a dere & i wuz lyk werez do u by da dere frum??!?! wut skill iz dat cuz itz gud rite!!1!!!!11!! i tink itz frum gwen cuz i dont hav dat yet but i wil sun do! - PANIC! sexiness! 08:37, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Hey Tab

You remember me talking about Shadow Walk as a self defence skill, to be used like Return, except it could be used after you got knocked down. Well I found out something interesting. If you use Shadow Walk while knocked down, it cancels the knockdown. Vega abused this with Grapple to simultaneously knockdown two targets for Gothspike. I think this needs to be abused more, do you concur? I haven't decided how yet. At the least it would allow Rainbow Spike A/Ds to spike even when being linebacked by a hammer. Osht, I should shut up, I hate Rainbowspike. I love you so much. Sproing! - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 10:55, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Quiet, you damn kiwi. <_< - PANIC! sexiness! 11:02, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

obaby. Although I don't see it being that useful generally, seeing as you'll normally keep Stability on the A/D vs linebackers anyway. --Tab Moo 11:03, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

But abuse is fun anyway. Remember the abusive but useless Signet of Zealots? - PANIC! sexiness! 11:06, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

I enjoy abusing your mother. --Tab Moo 11:07, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Your dad squeels like a pig when I abuse him. That's far more enjoyable. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:12, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 11:13, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Honestly... only thing I can think of is Grapple their Infuser, then Shadow Walk->Spike something else. Only thing is, doesn't have to be a Gothspike, could be semi-balanced with a telewarrior caller. I guess it means you can use Grapple somewhat like Shock as well except it costs 10 energy, has no exhaustion and puts you into a retarded stance. How about Grapple -> Shadow Walk -> Frenzy spike on same target? You'd ping around a bit like a freaking goose and it would be weird. Also let you get three knockdowns out of your hammer without Bull's. You could also do something weird with Drunken Blow, but Shadow Walk is on a 30 second recharge, so it doesn't seem that usable. More On Your Knees! stupid builds! - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 11:53, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Or just bstrike the infuser then tele. --Tab Moo 11:54, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Geez Tab, that requires skill. You also can't 3, 2, 1 that like a euro. Would really do a trip on the monks though if they see convergence on both monks simultaneously then SPROIIIIING 3rd target gets spiked with two KDed monks. 30 second recharge biggest zzzzzzzspike ever. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 11:56, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

I just don't understand euros, sorry. --Tab Moo 11:57, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

I could just imagine how it would work. Autoattack on both monks, ignoring prot. Call Aura of Restoration if it gets cast or Balanced Stance. Wait out duration. Throw out Grapple because it's unblockable and spike. It would literally take like 2 minutes between spikes. That's actually pretty retarded in GvG, make it an HA build. Would only take an hour to win each match. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 12:01, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

That reminds me. We're running some telespike in AB later. --Tab Moo 12:06, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

I made it for you Tab, need you to fix it with your magic tbh. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 12:21, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

tab=win

...google agrees Rupert=Hawt 15:07{GMT}6-06-MMVIII

I don't get it. I agree fully though. --Tab Moo 11:08, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Read the URL. Rupert=Hawt 15:08{GMT}6-06-MMVIII

oic. +1 --Tab Moo 11:10, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

lol, i just realised it works with anything: klumpeet Rupert=Hawt 15:12{GMT}6-06-MMVIII

Lawl. Misfate 17:52, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Guild

If anyone cares to teach me a bit, I'm in. -StarSeeker | My talk 06:41, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

They won't teach you anything just scream at you when your bad. Godbox 06:43, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Teaching Misery to GvG != randomway with Picnic. Just throwing that out there. --Tab Moo 06:47, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

I just wanna run some Euro shit, something different than pressure. -StarSeeker | My talk 07:00, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

And to be fair, Unexist is the only one who really blows a gasket when he thinks people are being bad. And mebbe Grinch but it's hard to tell when he's just being grumpy about GW or grumpy about losing in GW. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:01, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Not the guild for you then. Everyone in it hates defenceballs. --Tab Moo 07:02, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Aw. What do you wanna run then? -StarSeeker | My talk 07:03, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

We're running stuff that requires independent thinking and something other than bsurging a war while pressing T-Orb in time with spikes. That kind of things pointless when you're trying to help someone improve. --Tab Moo 07:04, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Anyway, I'm off now. We will continue discussing the various merits of being a dirty piece of euro trash upon my return. --Tab Moo 07:06, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Heheh. I said I want(ed xD) to run it, not I actually run it right now. I just missed the whole blockway meta, I'd just like to know what it was like. -StarSeeker | My talk 07:08, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Let me sum it up for you. Block, block, block, block, block, block, block, block, block, block, BLIND, block, block, block, block, 3, 2, 1, spike, block, block, block, block, block, VICTORY OR DEATH! - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 07:29, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

+splinter farming NPCs. Lord of all tyria 07:39, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Blockway is nerfed. Now it's chop chop chop dead target chop chop chop chop. A-net is crazy; first they have a overpowered defense, then overpowered defense. Also; need 2 nerf wounding strike. It's lol constant DW. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 10:11, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

I'll help too(and with that I mean, i'll teach). As I've halfly quitted gw now, I won't find a guild before holidays anyway. And because fish his friends say that i'm bad at vent. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 10:09, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Also, I know that I'm ragy and not the nicest guy but I'd at least expect people to talk on vent. I'm actually learing people stuff, when I'm screaming. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 12:36, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

I want to run Euro shit... Godbox 11:13, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

With euro shit you won't learn stuff, which is the main point of the guild. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 12:30, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Tab wins

Before he posts it, I should have known his R/A had Dshot. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 18:13, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

You lose teh gankwarz? Also, amity gankagon prz. Misfate 18:15, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

I lost twice. Tab is not brave as an E/D, he hides in footmen, but as a Rangersin, brave. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 18:16, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Amity>Rangersins. Misfate 18:19, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

ups, he lost at VoD to a BA. --Tab Moo 18:44, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Tab knows things and I know very few. Should have WoWed my bodyguard, but I am dumb, so I WoWed myself. Should have killed his bodyguard, but I am dumb so I killed an archer. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 18:58, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Discuss

I beat Star in GvG and solo'd Redrum on a warrior. Discuss. — Skakid 04:10, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

P.S. We had a Vekk. — Skakid 04:11, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

ur not gettin

a fuckin crystalline lol. At least not from me =o EXteel 04:22, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

=( --Tab Moo 05:36, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

aww I'm sorry, have an ecto, I have enough of the fuckers. EXteel 05:38, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 05:40, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Talk to Napalm, he'll set you up with one. He owes me 15 anyway, and he's gonna have to give me them by next week, or I'm gonna be pretty pissed. EXteel 05:42, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

<3

For trashing all the bad builds. --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 09:01, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

moo --Tab Moo 09:03, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

moo--Tab Moo 15:19, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

How does someone learn to GvG in dervgay meta? — Rapta (talk|contribs) 02:35, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Euro sucks balls, makes me ashamed to be a brit to be locked in that shitty euro taint. I run korean or american, depending on how good my backline is. If they are good I'll run korean. EXteel 04:13, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

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Not admin board worthy, so I'm just gonna bug you with Moloch's vote again. Have fun. --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 11:39, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

It's better now, he's bumped up the score a bit. --Tab Moo 11:47, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

I'm eating cherry tomatoes right now with my lunch. They have the little vine stubs still attached to them. It reminds me how much I like the smell of tomato vines. I think I might plant some tomatoes this weekend. Maybe beef tomatoes. - PANIC! sexiness! 08:12, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Mmm, tomatoes. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 08:15, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

The label says they're from Holland. - PANIC! sexiness! 08:20, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Dutch people love tomatoes <3 ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 08:21, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

And so they should, Ricky. And so they should. Also, upon further investigation, I should have seeded tomatoes for this year back in March. Ups. Maybe I can get some vines from somewhere nearby and just pretend I grew them from seeds. - PANIC! sexiness! 08:25, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 08:32, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

You can grow most cherry tomatoes inside. If I weren't the person who forgets to water plants, I'd have tomatoe plants in my room. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 08:37, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I have now finished my last one yet still I yearn for more. I desire a tomato and swiss cheese sandwich with a little bit of mayo on toasted white bread. Also, I like those nice big tomatoes about the size of two fists. - PANIC! sexiness! 08:40, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Italians handle tomatoes like a pro too :O With like Mozarella and stuff... mmm. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 08:41, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I have a huge craving for marinara sauce with breaded and fried mozarella. Ups I'm drooling. - PANIC! sexiness! 08:43, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Mozarella is such an awesome cheese <3<3 ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 08:46, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I sometimes wonder what a barn full of buffalo being milked smells like. Pretty bad I reckon. So musky you couldn't breathe without really good ventilation. Especially in Italy; gets pretty darn hot in Italy. I've heard it's not unusual for tourists to get second degree burns on the bottoms of their feet when they try and walk on the sand at the beach in summer. - PANIC! sexiness! 08:51, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I went to Italy once, in August. It was about 35 centigrade on avarage. It was a fucking hell if you weren't able to jump into either a swimming pool or the ocean. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 08:54, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Same here. Was even hotter, about 40 degrees. We Dutch shouldn't venture too far >__>; -StarSeeker | My talk 09:45, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I also heard a rumor once that in southern Italy you aren't actually gay unless you're the cock warmer. Discuss. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:48, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Kinda makes sense, actually. Ever heard of Eros by Plato? It hints that the old Greek loved men (and boys), too. -StarSeeker | My talk 09:51, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Every important Greek person, like kings, etc. had their boy-bitch. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 09:52, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Not just a boy-bitch, but more like really LOVING that boy, like you'd love your wife. -StarSeeker | My talk 09:53, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

What do you mean, your wife is not your bitch? ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 09:56, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Tiberius had his own palace off the coast of Italy in which he had a swimming pool. He supposedly kept nude children to swim in his pool. He called them "tad-poles". Sick, really.. --Eyekwah 10:45, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

That settles it. I'm moving to Italy. --Tab Moo 09:56, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I'd go through Greece first and fetch yourself a boy-bitch. -StarSeeker | My talk 09:56, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I already have plenty. --Tab Moo 09:58, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

No Greek boy-bitch, though. -StarSeeker | My talk 09:59, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

And you know what they say about Greek boys.... ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:00, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I've seen an exhibit on China once that included a portion of their sexual beliefs (including the explanation and origin of foot binding) and apparently you could do pretty much whatever you wanted so long as you didn't orgasm. Ejaculation was thought to be a way of trading off a piece of your lifetime to someone. Outside of perpetuating the species, it was incredibly taboo. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:00, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

obaby --Tab Moo 10:01, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

That's not what the Japs think coughbukkakelolcough ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:02, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I don't want to search that up, do I? -StarSeeker | My talk 10:03, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Don't worry, Tabblekinsmuffinears, today it's taboo if you don't ejaculate. At least once every 5 minutes. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:04, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

It'd suck having to ejaculate every 5 minutes...like..everywhere. What a mess that'd make. Not to mention dehydration. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:06, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Also just consider the effort, and the cost on washing/kleenex... Dehydration is the least of your worries tbh. EXteel 10:09, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

You two are such sissies. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:12, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 10:15, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

^, Who doesn't want to die of ejaculation though? ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:22, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Hmm, sounds quite good provided you die from having sex rather than being lonely. EXteel 10:23, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Dying during an orgasm is the best way to go. Wether it's with someone else or alone. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:25, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

It's a better orgasm with someone else though. EXteel 10:27, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Would be that person's worst day though...having someone die on top of you doesn't really sound like something fun. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:28, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

sounds hot. –Ichigo724 10:29, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Not if they both died. EXteel 10:30, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I'd rather die surrounded by a whole pile of fireworks that explode at the same time. That would be pretty awesome. Colorful sparks everywhere and deaf people for a mile around. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:30, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Not a bad way to go, but I'd rather skydive from the outer edges of the earth's atmosphere and play target practice with rockets/missiles. EXteel 10:32, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Panic's a suicide bomber? D: ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:34, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Not suicide. Just a really awesome accident. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:36, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

just like driving your car off of a cliff, making it explode, for no apparent reason. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:38, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Or play target practice with rockets and missiles in order to land in the middle of the pentagon and let off the small nuclear bomb attached to you. Even more awesome way to go, wanna be a terrorist ftw. EXteel 10:39, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

lolDrStrangelove - PANIC! sexiness! 10:44, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

You guys are too easily swayed. Someone says how cool it is to die as a suicide bomber and everyone wants to die that way. Get real. Everybody knows dying of ejaculation is the best way to go. --Eyekwah 03:47, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

I have a shiny Crobat. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:11, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I have a shiny Peni-- Ditto. -StarSeeker | My talk 11:23, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Not to mention my shiny Crobat beats everything Toxic trapping is so awesome. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:24, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I have a non-shiny, level 1 Piplup with the Brave nature. --Tab Moo 11:32, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Aw crap, you win. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:33, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Ode to Euro

Three, two, one, spike

'Cause it's easy to see

You are a Euro!

Yo-ho-fiddle-dee-dee!

Being a Euro is alright with me!

Three, two, one, spike

'Cause it's easy to see

You are a Euro!

We got us a spike

That ducks below your spirit bond

And your Prot Spirit too!

It's really really gay.

We'll ball ourselves up

and use unstrippable blocking buffs

to farm NPCs at VoD

and then we'll say "Hurray!"

- PANIC! sexiness! 11:50, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

^. Mine was better though. --Tab Moo 11:55, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I'll link you to the spoof that I spoofed for that in about an hour. Coincidentally, you'll like it. - PANIC! sexiness! 12:00, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

As promised. Watch your speakers; the audio they used is pretty loud. [6] - PANIC! sexiness! 13:38, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

You dont like euro players? --Tiger grrr!! 13:41, 9 June 2008 (EDT)"

There is a difference between euro and euro. Brandnew. 14:14, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

People running defensive builds such as euro's do tends to make people dislike them. Nobody likes defense....except euro's ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 03:49, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Japs have a fondness for defence as long as the build contains a sin or two. --Tab Moo 03:56, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, but...Japs... ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 03:59, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

The most defensive build I've ever seen was that weirdass Korean one where you just ball around the GL until VoD. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 04:00, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

But that one's crazy enough to be cool :P ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 04:04, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Koreans>the rest. If you meet them just do /resign, they run so random builds they'll always win. Godbox 04:27, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Tab, if this whole GvG thing doesn't work, we'll just be Korean, keke? - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 04:36, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

I'll just become even stronger pve than I already am tbh. --Tab Moo 04:36, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

I think I might try and practice shadowstep flagging. There is a bundle at Isle of Nameless right? Or did they fix that bug :< - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 04:45, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 04:45, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Refer to this. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 04:47, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

It was on my userpage for a while. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 21:33, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

TB Tonight?

For to design a new Sineptitude build which will raep faec vs dervsmite? - PANIC! sexiness! 07:38, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

lol euro--Tab Moo 07:43, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Ok, let's run balanced instead and be rolled in 3 minutes? - PANIC! sexiness! 07:45, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

^. Or just run balanced and beat them. --Tab Moo 07:49, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Balanced hasn't been holding up well against dervsmite in Top GvG obs. :( - PANIC! sexiness! 08:03, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

I just realized I only make builds when I'm really tired. I should stop that. --71.229 08:03, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

How does that counter dervsmite ;o --Tab Moo 08:03, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Two rips and that anti signet hex thing... I guess. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 08:04, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Fuck if I know. --71.229 08:07, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

moo

I just went in seach of food, only to find that all I had left was a pack of fryable poppadoms (or however you spell it). Given the choice between dining on these for lunch, or going for a walk to buy food, I chose the former. Not a satisfying lunch. --Tab Moo 07:43, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

I always keep cake at home. Cake improves every meal. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 07:53, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

It just occurs to me I don't know what to do with used oil. Down the sink, c/d --Tab Moo 07:54, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Nope. Wait for it to cool, scrape it into rubbish. It clogs your drain and kills wild animals if you poor it down the sink or something. I think a polar bear might die for each 100 mls, if you don't care, pour it down quickly while no one is looking. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 07:56, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Meh. iWait for a bit then. Misery is a strong chef. --Tab Moo 07:57, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Sell it. Lord of all tyria 07:58, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

But not a strong speller :< AND DON'T GIVE IN TO THE FAT AND OIL BARONS! - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 07:59, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

ups --Tab Moo 07:59, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Check Pisces: [7] - PANIC! sexiness! 11:31, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

ups --Tab Moo 11:33, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

ayup. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:35, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

ups --Tab Moo 11:46, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Also, I might try and get SS in about an hour and a half. Wanna help? I might try and get Morghan first. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:54, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

ups --Tab Moo 12:01, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Suggestions

I was fiddling around with a Migraine mesmer in RA last night and wondered what you'd suggest here:

the curses sub-spec was purely for a cover hex and for some anti-melee so feel free to offer replacements. I ran CoF and some enchantment stripping skill just to fill the space. And because CoFing stuff is funny to me. - PANIC! sexiness! 05:46, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Distortion. I'd run Distortion on a Shock Axe if I could. --Tab Moo 05:47, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

That might not be too bad, actually. I never had to come off my shield set when running that bar; the energy is so easy to manage with only two skills that cost 10e. You think it's ok to stay with Curses, though? Enfeeble's still pretty good even in lower specs imo. - PANIC! sexiness! 05:56, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

40/40 sets tbh. You don't take them because they have more energy. --Tab Moo 06:06, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

I meant I never had to swap from shield to high. And half the time I just dropped into 40/40 for Migraine because everything else has like a 1/4s cast time and a <10s recharge. - PANIC! sexiness! 06:20, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

moo --Tab Moo 06:21, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

meh. So apart from distortion, any idea for the last slot? Probably need something like drain enchantment, huh? - PANIC! sexiness! 06:24, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Inspired. --Tab Moo 06:26, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Humor me. Why inspired over drain in RA? - PANIC! sexiness! 06:32, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Because it's more fun. You can be a euro mesmer AND monk at the same time! --Tab Moo 06:33, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

I'd prefer the energy and health :(. Although 0 spec Patient Spirit or Guardian sounds fun. - PANIC! sexiness! 06:35, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

You still get the energy, and the health's pretty meaningless. I'd rather have the faster cast. --Tab Moo 06:37, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

You should mostly be stripping Veils PIANC. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 06:40, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

But not net energy frowny face. And Veil removal is srs bsns. - PANIC! sexiness! 06:48, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Hexgay vs Hexgay, one time it's bad to preveil, if they preveil and you don't, you get two copies of hex removal and they only get one and you roll them. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 06:50, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

I may suggest enfeebling blood on that bar for more weakness, everything else looks fine, migrane does work very well against caster, especially those in random arenas, nice attempt. --Tiger grrr!! 06:53, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

I'll try feeb blood when I run the bar with Distortion. That seems sensible. - PANIC! sexiness! 06:58, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Frustration is hawt pressure with migraine. Pspike for 100 damage ownzzz. —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 07:01, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Can I drop Pbond and use Frust as the cover then? Bear with me and my interrupt mesmer badness here plx. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:05, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

One thing I like about Pbond as a cover is that you can tell when it gets removed by watching for heal numbers of the right amount so if they have off-monk hex removal you can tell if it becomes uncovered. That being said, Migraine/Frustration is sex. Also, I think casting speed caps at +150% according to the official wiki, doesn't that mean that they actually stack or am I being bad? - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 07:56, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Frustration and Migraine both hit the cap. Frust makes then take 50% longer, Migrain makes them take 100% longer, both make them take 100% longer. --Tab Moo 07:57, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Is gww:Stack just wrong? It says +150% activation time is the max, rather than +50% which is what Frustration adds. I've never actually tested it, but I don't really care because they synergise well in other ways. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 08:12, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

That should be 150%, not +150%. Migraine = 200%. --71.229 08:15, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

So... That's a yes, huh? I should try this?

- PANIC! sexiness! 08:31, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Enfeeble>Enfeebling blood. No sac, faster cast, longer duration, no need for AoE in RA. --Tab Moo 08:33, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

yeh ok. Need to think up a CoF build now, though. Was nice to blast stuff like Res Signets and Apply Poison and randomly fuck up whatever the other people were doing at the same time. - PANIC! sexiness! 08:40, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Psychic Distraction + CoF, or run a ranger. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 08:43, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Looks fine. --Tiger grrr!! 12:41, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Tab has to archive more these days

Is it because he is a build master, or because Panic and I don't have enough to do at work? - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 07:54, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

I enjoy trolling his talk with random spam, so it's a combination of spam, trolling, and dedication. --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 07:54, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

moo --Tab Moo 07:55, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Hai

Look at my page, how epic is it? —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 08:25, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

moo <3 --Tab Moo 08:26, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

I like the screen shot because I'm in it and that was epic tbh. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 08:34, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

'twas quite epic 5 warrs against a euro build, and a flag runner without an elite too. They should've rolled us :p Godbox 08:37, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Out of curiousity, what was the rating of that guild you beat? Lord of all tyria 08:39, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Pretty terrible. 1020ish. --Tab Moo 08:39, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Bad. Picnic has a pretty low rating. Both teams actually made it to VoD, they wiped all our NPCs, we wiped them, gg. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 08:40, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Look at the screen. We still have a big ball of NPCs. --Tab Moo 08:40, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Ups. Yeah, I just noticed that. I seem to remember someone screaming on vent ALL OUR NPCS ARE GONE! GO GO! But they were all dead by that point anyway. Maybe they meant our first wave of archers was dead or something. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 08:41, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

I don't remember that tbh. --Tab Moo 08:43, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

I sometimes make up memories because my normal memories aren't good enough for me. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 09:04, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

GvGing with Tab isn't good enough? Sadface Misery, sadface. --Tab Moo 09:29, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Did someone say GvG with Tab?! sproing! - PANIC! sexiness! 09:30, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

I live in hope of GvGing with you every day Tab, so far it's just been that one(maybe two, were you at IWAY?) magical moment(s). Shit, my memory is really really bad isn't it. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 09:35, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Then come guest for SoD (read: rage MKOD) - PANIC! sexiness! 09:36, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

I rage moment Tab says rage tbh. Last I heard we had like 4 people willing to be Tab's little GvG bitches. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 09:39, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Well... We've got like Tab, Frv, Godly, Ricky, and Me. I propose you join and we do some practice skirmishes tonight. 4v4 with 1 bitch hero each. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:41, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

YOU ARE NOT TABAWESOME. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 09:42, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

yeh. you, too. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:44, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Oh yeah, forgot you can talk for me, kind of makes it stupid for me to say anything you don't want to hear. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 09:46, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

In any case, you don't need to rage to do 4v4 tonight; I'll give you privs if Tab hasn't by the time I get home. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:48, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

^ - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 09:53, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

3+h v 3+h tonight?

Might be good practice to do little 4v4 balanced scrims with a hero in the missing slot. We can rotate the roles about etc. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:24, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

moo --Tab Moo 10:25, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

- PANIC! sexiness! 10:27, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 10:28, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

^ Godbox 10:29, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Do you reckon Panic/Misery/Frvwfr vs. Tab/Godliest/Ricky would be fair-ish? If not we could just go Tab/Misery/Panic vs. Godliest/Ricky/Frvwfr. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:36, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Fuck that. Godliest would gank himself in the acid traps. --Tab Moo 10:39, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Ok. We'll take godbox and you can have Frv then. Running Tab + Misery or Panic would just throw the balance right off. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:41, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

This is gw remember. Balance is non-existant. --Tab Moo 10:43, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Problem with your suggestion of Tab/Panic/Misery is that Tab likes owning me. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 10:53, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

You can always run off into the acid when he tells you to. And do a little dance while you're dying. That may amuse him. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:54, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 11:03, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

lol...

Google "gankagon". - PANIC! sexiness! 04:35, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

obaby. Did I tell you about the time I made a para build that could aggro 4 archers, 2 knights, the bodyguard and the lord all at once and solo the lot? --Tab Moo 04:36, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

? --71.229 04:43, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

No you didn't. That is hawt. Show me some funny 1v1 builds tonight and if people are on we'll do that 4v4 I've been dying to do. We can do it BYOB, too, I guess. - PANIC! sexiness! 04:45, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Was it an Amity Gankagon? - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 04:49, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

--Tab Moo 04:52, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

(EC)Yeah. That's it. I, for some reason, out of nowhere, thought "wtf is a gankagon...?" and googled it. And in all teh interbutts Google sends me to only 1 result: www.PvXwiki.com/Skakid9090/Archive. <3. So what was an Amity Gankagon build? Like Amity/GFTE/AoWeary/AR/vicious? - PANIC! sexiness! 04:53, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

And I just wanted to say, hawt -> (diff) (hist) . . User talk:Choytw/GoL‎; 10:11 . . (+14,692) . . Misery (Talk | contribs) (Misery's Epic Wall of Text) - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 05:13, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 05:14, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Excellent arguement, but tbh all you'll get back is an equally long-winded but very disjointed response in which every response to your arguments either twists what you've said or ends up being the equivalent of "I meant to do that!". - PANIC! sexiness! 05:41, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again, that bar with CoP is pretty terrible. --Tab Moo 05:46, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

And I'll say it again, it beats Daze and Migraine which are omfg common in RA. You cannot count on anyone else to give you support there. By the time I come under pressure I should have one enchantment up anyway (likely Guardian), so Patient Spirit->CoP removes two hexes, two conditions and gives a big spike heal and crisis is over. I might lose a second or two of Guardian, ohnoes. Panic, if he is an ass about it, I'll ignore him, if he seems like he is trying to understand, I'll reply, I'm mostly expecting a massive wall of text followed by me ignoring him. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 06:30, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Oh. Ok then. I'll take the long shot bet in that case and say he'll post a fucking awesome picture with something to the effect of "You are a retard." on it. Also, what was the Amity Gankagon build? - PANIC! sexiness! 06:34, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

My point isn't that it doesn't work, it's that Mending Touch and Veil do the job better. Not seeing how removing one condition with a pre-req spell cast is better than Covering Mtouch with a stance and getting a 150 heal from it. --Tab Moo 06:58, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Not to mention that Draw+Touch is far better than Dismissing stuff in 4v4. --Tab Moo 07:01, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Gud WoH bar for RA:

Shield Bash/SoA/Sig of Rejuv. --Tab Moo 07:00, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

CoP is more for hexgay than daze, but it does beat daze. Being a skill with 1/4 second cast it gets around a lot of caster hate. I say fuck you to being a drawbot in RA because everyone else sucks so removing blind isn't worth it. Just wait for the other team to degen out due to the Life Transfer spammer. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 07:03, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Veil and Patient(/Sig of Rejuv) should be more than enough anti Migraine. There's no reason at all to gimp your bar by bringing CoP. It just isn't worth it on a bar like that. --Tab Moo 07:13, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

I don't really have anything better to stick in there atm. I don't really like Stance + Shield Bash because it feels dangerously euro, but I might start running it. I never understand your comments about how one skill "gimps" a bar. Veil is pretty useless against Migraine actually because everyone strips preveils first unless they are horribad. I would say that I don't like Signet of Rejuvenation because it feels like a wasted skill but lol at using that argument when we are talking about CoP which I use in maybe 1 in 5 matches. That's why I have stopped taking Spirit Bond, that was a 1 in 20 matches thing. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 07:16, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

It gimps your bar because it's wasting skill slots that are needed for other stuff. You cover veils when you think they're going to be stripped first. RoF's better at that, but Patient works reasonably well. --Tab Moo 07:19, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Although tbh, ZB is better than WoH in RA. --Tab Moo 07:20, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

You know I never even saw Power Block in RA until you told me to run a ZB bar. And then I spent lots of time doing nothing. If I run WoH I always get hit with Migraine; but the second you run ZB everyone brings Block. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:26, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Cancel cast. It's easy to outwit most RA mesmers. --Tab Moo 07:27, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

I only mildly trust Tab's RA advice because he always brings his sock puppet with him to keep all the baddies at bay and blow shit up. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 07:30, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Meh, TA bars are good enough for RA imo. --Tab Moo 07:31, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Tabbypoo needs to go buy food now. I expect to see more shitter debates upon my return. --Tab Moo 07:32, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Oh I don't run anything like that in TA. No CoP, MTouch with Draw. Probably dual stance. You get away with TA bars in RA because you SYNC. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 07:33, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

I hardly ever sync anymore tbh. Standard solo bar:

And now I really must get food. Good day. --Tab Moo 07:37, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Mend + Mending vs. Dismiss vs. Draw + Mending, shitter debate gogogo. --71.229 07:40, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Actually I just make my necro take Foul Feast and then he can deal with that shit. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 07:42, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

RA. Also, playing FF bitch makes me sad. All the :( of failing at monking without any of the ability to stop it. --71.229 07:46, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

In RA I'm going to take my let the noobs be blind standpoint. Izzy is nerfing all blindbots anyway, only D/Ps remain untouched so far. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 07:49, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

I forgot about those. I'm gonna go make people rage for a few minutes before I go to bed. --71.229 07:56, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Izzy hates meta D: ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:59, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Don't worry. My powerful Me/E bsurge will save the day. --Tab Moo 08:10, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

(EC!) IZZY IS BAD. When I finally is close to get Dslash for my awesome sauce stupidly named warrior he nerfes it! Fucking izzy. Half my Boxways are outdated. Godbox 08:12, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Dslash is still gud tbh. This just means you can't play euro pressure anymore. --Tab Moo 08:13, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Dslash was untouched, lolimspammingDslashwithFGJ was hit. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 08:14, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

YE! And Dslash is so awesome in PvE as lolimspammingDslashwithFGJ not some waitwhilegainingadrenalineDslashbecauseoflameFGJnerf! Godbox 08:18, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

When it's up it's a 5 adrenaline skill. QQ moar imo. The pressure is still fine and you can throw deep wounds around like a nutter which is better than Dslash, Dslash, Dslash anyway. What I want to see is some epic Hundred Blades builds, gogo! - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 08:25, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

ups --Tab Moo 09:01, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

they didn't boost it? ;o Godbox 09:06, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Oh, they didn't in the end. Skakid's userpage was only eerily accurate, not scarily accurate. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 09:15, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

retard

are you really 100% retarded with Hydra's test? :P Close Impact talk 15:35, 13 June 2008 (EDT)<--0%

yes. --Tab Moo 15:38, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

HA.. ha.. ha.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA :D No Comment :D Close Impact talk 15:50, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 15:51, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

;)Close Impact talk 15:52, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

I'm 9 out of 6 retarted. I'm a special little boy. --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 15:53, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 15:53, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

PvX guild a ma bob

If your gonna make one, could I join, used to play a lot of GvG but not in a long time, would like to get back into it, my guild never gvg's (and when they do they are v.bad) so yea, what's ur IGN and I will add you /FrosTalk\ 17:03, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

ur slow ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 13:02, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

:< /FrosTalk\ 13:02, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

moo --Tab Moo 13:04, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

His ign is He Who Bakes Nggr Cakes Godbox 13:21, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

That's a fucking epic name tbh /FrosTalk\ 13:22, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

I wish I could use that :< --Tab Moo 17:23, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Should call the guild We Bake A Big Nggr [Cake] Godbox 07:22, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Pika Pikaaaaa [Chu] --Tab Moo 07:23, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

can i has gild invite to ur geeveegee gild aftur i get gud videocard/powursupply/headet then i gud geeveegee i can also baek

big nggggr caekz prz i rly ned. 204.108.80.10 14:03, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

Why certainly anonymous user who didn't leave an IGN! Tab is awesome enough to know who you are, your invite will arrive shortly. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 14:56, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

i would actually be interested in joining that, with the caveat that my computer is a piece of shit.--Reason.decrystallized 16:34, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

Just an fyi. I need your IGNs if you want inviting. --Tab Moo 17:37, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

Nightblade Edge.--Reason.decrystallized 03:51, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Assassin Suplex /FrosTalk\ 10:11, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

I NEED INVITES Im Super Srs BzNz, top 10 exp for GvG, IGN = Kill The Nggrz卍 Kill The Neggerz 卍 Zeecron 卍 11:43, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

What would it take

For the orderup? I got you the KFC story again. :/ —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 10:00, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

I said I'll do it. Just give me a while. --Tab Moo 10:10, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Oh, I wasn't aware what the moos meant. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 10:23, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

I said it yesterday ;o --Tab Moo 10:23, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Peter Equals Ftw

c Snow Bunny 13:08, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

^. Download MSN at work tbh. --Tab Moo

Bad News

It appears that the SoD guild hall has been tainted by some unknown force

Guild Lord, Xunlai Agent, and Rune Trader appear to be azn, while Tolkano [Tournament] and Priest of Balthazar [Rewards] appear to be nigs (at the very least, half-nigs). It appears this situation can only be remedied through an appeal to Regina. — Skakid 13:19, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

shit. the most powerful guild in gw has been infiltrated. --Tab Moo

Are you implying that rival guilds would be less likely to beat up our Guild Lord if it was white? Also, in 30 minutes I'll be playing Diamond on the bus. I will choose a Piplup and name it Tab. Some day it will be strong and it will beat the real Tab. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:24, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Holy fuck you just made me want a DS. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 11:26, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

obaby, you got it? You have wifi at home? --Tab Moo

I have wifi at home :< - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 11:28, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Yes. And I do. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:28, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

obaby. We shall do battle once you have some hawt mcpokemon. And get a DS nub mcmisery. --Tab Moo 11:30, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

No response from Nintendo about my language issues yet :< I could get a DS this weekend, but no idea how long getting mah pokemons would take. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 11:31, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

My "friend" is Pokefag. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:33, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Amazon usually deliver to me in about 2-3 days ;o --Tab Moo 11:38, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Yes, but if I'm not home at the time, PWNT. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 11:43, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Take the day off work for pokemon. It's worth it. --Tab Moo 11:45, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

But which day? Every day until it arrives? - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 11:46, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

^. You're only going to troll pvx and fuck about with chemicals all day anyway. --Tab Moo 11:47, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Ups. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 14:23, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 14:24, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

More bad news. I'm going to train my newly caught Doombringer to eat your face. - PANIC! sexiness! 05:04, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

That, is the scariest shit I have ever seen. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 05:16, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

I am actually thoroughly pissed off that it doesn't evolve into some kind of rabid monster squirrel covered in crackling lightning. Also, I spent 30 minutes catching an Abra only to find out I could just easily catch a Machop in the next area over and trade that for an Abra that would level up like twice as fast. On the plus side, though, the wild one levels up like mad anyway and it won't ignore me if I don't run around collecting badges. - PANIC! sexiness! 05:19, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

obaby. btw, tell me if you want trading some shit you cant get yet. --Tab Moo 08:48, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

I can't remember if it's better to trade Kadabra immediately or to let it level a little bit first. I also have an Onix that would need trading if you happen to have a steel cloak or whatever it is. - PANIC! sexiness! 08:53, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Hit up google to find out about kadabra, evolve it as soon as it's learned the last level up move you want. I probably have a steel thingy for you somewhere too ;o --Tab Moo 08:55, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Done. apparently it doesnt matter with Kadabra because Alakazam learns the same moves at the same time. So far I'm using: Tab (Prinplup), Kadabra, Onix, Staravia, and Doombringr (Pachirisu). Piplup is funny. Piplup learned bubble! Piplup one-hit-KO'd everyone in the first Gym! - PANIC! sexiness! 09:03, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

...........................................You evolved Piplup. What the fuck is wrong with you. --Tab Moo 09:06, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Tab. I evolved Tab. And it was kind of an accident. I forgot to poke B when it was evolving. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:07, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Also, Doomy is my favorite. Doomy 'lectrocutes Tab. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:08, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

I can't believe you evolved a piplup Tab. That makes you worse than a euro. Fucking cuntface niggerbitch. --Tab Moo 09:09, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

He evolved himself. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:13, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

You failed to intervene. Mere words cannot express my disappointment in you pianc. --Tab Moo 09:14, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Do not worry. When I find me an everstone I am going to trade my Tab abomination for another Piplup. Then Tab will be reborn. And then you shall face the horror of my god-like penguin and his dancing squirrely friend. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:16, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Good. tbh, you better be playing pokemon at work as we speak. --Tab Moo 09:18, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Played at lunch. Also, in hindsight, it's better it evolved. I'd feel bad about abusing a piplup as bad as I abuse Tab. He's my evo bitch. Come back, weak, crappy pokemon! Go, Tab! Take a free punch in the face! Good boy. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:20, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

You are a heartless monster. --Tab Moo 09:21, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

It's ok. He metal claws the face off his fair share of stuff. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:24, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

... --Tab Moo 09:26, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

What? I like the animation. I wish I could teach it to Doomy. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:34, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

moo. --Tab Moo 09:35, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

tbh, if you want to see sexiness, once you get the national pokedex, get a salamence with draco meteor. hawt animation, it makes stuff go BOOM --Tab Moo 09:36, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

imma check what I can actually teach this squirrel... - PANIC! sexiness! 09:37, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

^. Pachirisu or however it's spelt is hawt but baed :< --Tab Moo 09:37, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Oh well. Discharge looks fun and Grass Knot. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:54, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

And Tab should comment more on my lame ranger on my talk page tbh :< - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 09:57, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

ups --Tab Moo 09:58, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Dear tab

Which is moar hawt? Pokemon pearl, or diamon? I have pearl atm, think i might have to go seel it at gamestop and get diamond, cuz it's moar hawt.--Goldenstar 08:59, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

i have pearl. They're the same tbh. --Tab Moo 09:05, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

kkkkkk. I don't think I ever actually beat the pokemon league either, pretty weaksauce huh. O.o--Goldenstar 09:17, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

ups --Tab Moo 09:18, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

ups? O.o--Goldenstar 09:19, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

ups. --Tab Moo 09:21, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

dub yoo tee eff is ups? O.o--Goldenstar 09:24, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

ups ups ups ups ups ups 09:26, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

orly?--Goldenstar 09:27, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

rly --Tab Moo 09:28, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Get pokeman platinum. Misfate 10:46, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

moo --Tab Moo 10:51, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Pokemon blue is best. Or yellow. Brandnew. 11:01, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

I personally prefer G/S/C ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:03, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

I had silver aswell; it was meh imo. After that i statred playing on visual boy advance because I'm poor. Brandnew. 11:05, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

How can you ever call a pokemon game "meh"? Go fucking die or something. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:06, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

It was 'meh' in a way that blue was better. Brandnew. 11:07, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Well, I guess it's a matter of personal preference. R/B were the originals, which adds a lot, of course, but G/S/C was less h4x0rz and had more gameplay. R/S/E took it too far, imo, I mean, who the hell needs his own secret base? :/ ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:09, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Yellow was stupid because you got Pikachu at the start and I seem to recall him rolling everything and me raging after an hour. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 11:09, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Solution: Don't use pikachu. Brandnew. 11:10, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Like the "solution" of not using Ursan? DON'T GIVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO BROKEN THINGS. Or I will. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 11:11, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Raichu owns. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:11, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Muhahahahahaaaa rollway with mew is best. Brandnew. 11:13, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

That's just gay. Mainly because the only legitimate way to get him is from a pokemon event. Best pokemon in R/B was Exeggutor, imo. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:14, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Actually, lickytung was better, lickytung or scyther. Brandnew. 11:17, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Are any of those a three-headed palm-tree? ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:19, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Frankly no. But is exeggutor a bug with a really high voice? Brandnew. 11:21, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Scyther's a flaming faggot. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:22, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Goldduck? Brandnew. 11:23, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

And exxegutor is a fucking turcoat. Brandnew. 11:25, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Exeggutor's Sp. Atk. > You and Golduck is cool. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:27, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

I fail at pokémon names.. And my way of winning pokemans with my neighbours and other people from my block was by having 6 lvl 256 gangars. How mean is that? Brandnew. 11:30, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

First

--Tab Moo 16:34, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Officaly first. ~ ĐONT*TALK 16:27, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

I officially fail at grammer. ~ ĐONT*TALK 16:27, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

LAST /FrosTalk\ 16:37, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

First. Brandnew. 16:26 20, June Never (EDT)

Attn

I Wanna Be The Very [Best]

Like No One Ever [Was]

To Catch Them Is My Real [Test]

To Train Them Is My C[ause]

I Will Travel Across The [Land]

Searching Far And [Wide]

Each Pokemon To Unders[tand]

The Power Thats In[side]

P O K E [Mon]

— Skakid 16:40, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

c mcpo --Tab Moo 16:40, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Gotta Catch Em [All]. Misfate 16:51, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Make an alliance like that.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 12:37, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

I'd join that. Brandnew. 12:39, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Gotta Catch Em All [pkmn] would be better. --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 12:42, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

That's not how the song goes, so no. — Skakid 12:51, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Still, it's so much more awesome for a general Guild name. --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 13:07, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

P O K E [Mon] owns ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 13:13, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

That's how you get Pikachu onto a bus. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...... ¬ Klumpeet 17:14{GMT}21-06-MMVIII

pokemons

wanna battle?----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 12:42, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

I will in a few days. Restarted my game on wed, so I have shit pokes atm. --Tab Moo 12:47, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

NEEDS MORE EXEGGUTOR! ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 13:11, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

okie----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 17:09, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

last

Godbox 07:10, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

NO U /FrosTalk\ Tab add Assassin Suplex to the guild a ma bob pl0x :<

^ --Tab Moo 07:24, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

come on GW tbh. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:30, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

gvg imo — Skakid 13:34, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

;o --Tab Moo 13:39, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

tbh

<3 /FrosTalk\ 15:55, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

roar --Tab Moo 15:55, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Do you hate that build or something? Dragnmn talk cont 17:13, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Try reading through the removed votes. It just had an incredible amount of terrible votes. I left plenty of Great votes that had good reasoning. --Tab Moo 17:25, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Tab, meet any build that's Great and rather popular. You'll have about 20 votes of "lololololpwn" or so. --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 17:27, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Yep. --Tab Moo 17:28, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Tab, you have no life... :P --Super Igor *ninja!!* 17:33, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Igor, you have next to no IQ. --Tab Moo 17:34, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

lol —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 17:35, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

I do have a lot of IQ. :P --Super Igor *ninja!!* 17:37, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

I got a lot of QI... I be smaert. --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 17:40, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

I got a lot of QQ...I win. --Super Igor *ninja!!* 17:46, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Neither of you are funny. ups. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 06:41, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Guess who...

Walked into wayward cave, walked down the stairs, took three steps, and met a female Gible? Which was caught in a great ball after only a super fang attack. I was amused. - PANIC! sexiness! 06:21, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

You did? ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 06:40, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

ayup. Also, Pachirisu and Empeleon make Dialga zzzeasy. - PANIC! sexiness! 06:44, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Coincidentally, I named Dialga "Your mom" and it amuses me greatly to see "Your mom is exerting it's pressure. What will Your mom do?" - PANIC! sexiness! 06:46, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

POOP ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 06:52, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

It wasn't very effective... - PANIC! sexiness! 06:53, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Wild Grimer appeared :o ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 06:54, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

In any case... Not looking forward to EV training shit. Does that storage trick thing still work? - PANIC! sexiness! 06:56, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Noepz ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 06:57, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

poopz. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:06, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Fuck EV training, play with heart! I still don't have any pokemons and I haven't got WiFi at work to operate yet. Curse you security settings! Maybe I should just get one of them USB dongle things. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 07:07, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

heh. Problem is that if you level up something really fast with an Exp Share, then their stats suck serious balls. Also, I had the same problem at home; the DS won't support passworded networks. Had to turn the password off on mine to get it to work. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:13, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Exp Share adds EV ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:18, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

But not a whole lot when you kill a trainer's level 45+ whatever and your level 1 Gible is suddenly like level 10. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:22, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, I will just turn off my passwords temporarily whenever I want to WiFi DS, flatmate can deal with it, he probably won't even know what is going on, lawl. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 07:23, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Lvl it to 100 and give it vitamins. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:27, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Don't you miss out a whole lot of points that way? Also, there's this new guy in the cafeteria who talks and sounds just like Andy Kaufman's "foreign guy". I almost shot coffee out of my nose when we paid for lunch and he said "Enyoy you lunch. T'ank you vewy much."

You guys remind me so much of my high school CIS class, it's quite awesome to see we aren't the only people who still like Pokemon games :D. Funny as hell, we had a tornado drill and 2 classes came into our room and 9 of the 12 kids (Juniors in high school makes this all the better) have Pokemon Blue on the computer screen. I expected to be ridiculed, but about 4 people later that day asked how to get that game on their computer.--Blackened 07:40, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

EV points are capped at a certain point (I think it's 255 all together) you can get them by leveling or other ways, such as vitamins. At least that's how it works in (r/s/)e ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:53, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

It's capped at 501 with 255 cap for 1 stat. There you go. Just lvl it. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:56, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

huhwut? But if I level it to 100 and then buff it's EVs then it won't level and get the stats? - PANIC! sexiness! 08:00, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

I think so, yea. I never actually tried it, but. Otherwise, just Exp Share it and give vitamins when it's not 100 yet. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 08:04, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Yeah was planning on it. Killing like a million low level things with an EXP share on it to share the EVs and reduce leveling and then taking it out somewhere to level it. - PANIC! sexiness! 08:09, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Macho Brace owns too ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 08:10, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Anymore Pokemon talk and I might just shoot myself. --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 08:15, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Piplup owns ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 08:17, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

I wish I had a Piplup... - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 08:18, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Please do shoot yourself, btw. Seeing as it's not your talk page, the edits are minor, and the conversation has nothing to do with you it's your own fault for reading it. And if you read enough of it to make yourself distressed then by shooting yourself you'd only be cleaning the dead leaves out of the gene pool. - PANIC! sexiness! 08:21, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

It's Tab's talk and Tab = Strong PvEPokemons. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 08:26, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Piplupian Rhapsody ownzzz. Also Pianc - EV training is really quick, just stick an exp share on a newly hatched nig with pokerus (doubles EV gain, I've got some that can transfer it to yours if you want) and kill the right shit. If you choose the right stuff to kill, it's good exp and gets done pretty quick. --Tab Moo 10:15, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

That would be awesome, actually. Need Pokerus and if you could let me borrow a macho brace that would be <2. I can't find a short answer on how they actually fucking work though. Like if I get 252/252/6 on a level 1 somehow and then level is, does it just get like two huge stat boosts once and that's the only stat boosts it ever gets? - PANIC! sexiness! 10:29, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

4 EVs = 1 extra point in a stat in the time it takes to hit level 100. If you EV 252 in a stat at level 1, you won't notice much, but if you get 252 in something at level 99, when it hits 100 you'll get like +60. --Tab Moo 10:34, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Right, so assume I drain all the EVs off a level 99 with berries and then train it all back up to the 252/252/6 split and level it up. It'll get like a +63/+63/+1 bonus? - PANIC! sexiness! 10:36, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 10:44, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Ok then. I won't bother restaring any of these then. Something you don't want with Pokerus would still be really handy, though. Got my Lucario to Evolve at lunch and Gabite is at level 35-ish. Just about to do the Elite 4. Do you have those three Regi things, btw? Won't be wanting them tonight but I'll want to get Gigas eventually. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:49, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Not got the regis, I can catch them on my Ruby and transfer them over though. I'll have a look for something with pokerus later. --Tab Moo 10:52, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Yeah if you can find something I'll go out and catch like 3 or 4 starlies, infect them, and keep 'em in one of the boxes. Then you can have yours back. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:09, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Found one, I'll just infect a Bidoof so you can keep it. --Tab Moo 11:12, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

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Gold trim

100k+20e for invite to [ZFQ] plox. Tab Smash for gold.Snow Bunny 12:09, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

ccc --Tab Moo 12:09, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

If we were to go for gold, what build would we run? srs bsnss here. Snow Bunny 12:25, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Tab's version of dervsmite. Vow of Strength, Orders, Strength of Honor, Barbs, Mark of Pain, GFTE etc. Pew pew pew pew. --Tab Moo 12:27, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

I don't know how honourable VoS is :< Snow Bunny 14:22, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Sorry, that was a typo. I meant 3 wars, 2 rangers, ele flagger, 2 BL monks. --Tab Moo 14:23, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Weapon Contest

I thought that at a 1,33s attack rate. (which would be 0,89s by IAS.) 0,25*Mastery*3/2 would be enough? Brandnew. 04:45, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

It's the same thing. 0.25*1.5 = 0.375. --Tab Moo 04:46, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Oh, wait. I didn't see you removed the last part. Brandnew. 04:49, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Say Bye to me if you want my penis in you

--Tab Moo 06:21, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Hi Tab. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 07:35, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Hi Tab. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:42, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Bye Tab /FrosTalk\ 07:43, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

oh my. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:48, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

oh urs? /FrosTalk\ 08:01, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

I approve of this. --Tab Moo 08:17, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Thats what she said Gogey 10:36, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

+1 --Tab Moo 10:39, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

NO U! Gogey 12:58, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Bye. Fish wants too btw —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 05:30, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

I'm only prepared to fuck you if you change your nationality to something non-dutch. --Tab Moo 06:47, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Where are thou

I stayed up till 1:15 :< Snow Bunny 13:07, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Wut, I overslept till 12:30 your time, you weren't on :< gmail tbh --Tab Moo 13:13, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Weap contest..

Hy! send yur ideas (I'm waiting for your idea mostly tab :D ) to my weapon contest! :P ¬ DaVIEz¬Weapon Contest ¬ 07:09, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 07:42, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

HAY GUESS WHAT TABBYMOO??

Youre banned and im not. Go eat a croissant, or a crumpet, or whatever mceuro food is available there ^^--GRAARR /RESETTI Crossfire 12:54, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

I wouldn't really try to provoke him (or anyone else), TBH. You know how edgy admins can get (no offense). --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 12:56, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

im not personally attacking him or cursing so have fun watching me type and you cant do anything about it tab. HAHA thats what you get for being a bad guild leadr.--GRAARR /RESETTI Crossfire 13:12, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

I would consider taunting people when they get banned just after you got banned for spamming after being banned for a month an unwise course of action. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 14:28, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Tab got banned? Choytw ~~ Talk+ 14:30, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

...wut? --Readem 14:30, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

I cant get banned for rubbing it in his face ^^ its not like i cursed at him or made fun of him. I just wantd to get him back for making everoyne in his guild an officer EXCEPT ME!!!!!--GRAARR /RESETTI Crossfire 14:33, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

And yes tab got banned.--GRAARR /RESETTI Crossfire 14:33, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Tab, I will kittenstomp 1,000 euro shitters at dusk to express my mourning for this tragedy. Snow Bunny 14:40, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

The blood of Alexa Dominia will reach the ground by this evening. — Skakid 14:41, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Churchill will die. after all hes a Mceuro aswell--GRAARR /RESETTI Crossfire 14:41, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Wow...wasn't he an admin and BM? Choytw ~~ Talk+ 14:42, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Was never willing to commit adultery for me. He pretty much earned this ban. --Readem 14:43, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

(many ECs because I am slow)Actually, admins can ban you for pretty much whatever reason they like Crossfire and you seem to be on their "Sit down and play nice" list. As such I consider ^ unwise, but do as you want. And on another note, I'm a euro, feel free to stomp me Snow Bunny. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 14:44, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

LMAO @ Readem! Choytw ~~ Talk+ 14:46, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

I am playing nice :) I am just mad at Tab for multiple reasons and churchill is fat. BTW Misery is hawt. Well admins wont ban be if i dont curse or personally attack people which i didnt, or spam.--GRAARR /RESETTI Crossfire 14:46, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

LOL READEAM. I gotta say tho, many times Igor said: "Stop cursing" and tab was like "RAGGHHGHGHGHGH AAGGHGGHGGH NOOOO **** ******!!!!!11!!!11!!!!1111111!1" lol--GRAARR /RESETTI Crossfire 14:48, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

"I cant get banned for rubbing it in his face." That statement is correct except for one minor detail - the 't' you put at the end of 'can'. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 23:27, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Aww Wizzy its all out of fun :)--GRAARR /RESETTI Crossfire 23:37, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Tab wasn't amused just so you know. I posted on the AN at his request. - PANIC! sexiness! 04:12, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

ups ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 06:17, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

ups indeed. and did Tab really get banned for swearing at Igor o.0?--Reason.decrystallized 06:59, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Affraid so... ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:00, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

and why did redeam say "commit adultery FOR me, not WITH me?" so ... many ... questions ...--Reason.decrystallized 07:04, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

No idea :P ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:13, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Because "with" would imply that Readem was married too. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:13, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

oh monkeyballs, i spelled "readem" wrong. now he's going to put some kind of wiki-curse on me to where all my edits are minor and all my builds voted down and i eventually just slit my wrists or start playing WoW.--Reason.decrystallized 07:19, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

1 day without tabby moo is like hell with admins. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 12:38, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Wasn't it just a 24hr ban so he should be back today? Choytw ~~ Talk+ 12:41, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Raged to Bulbapedia tbh. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 12:44, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

I...have...no...idea...what you just meant lol Choytw ~~ Talk+ 12:49, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

osht. :< --71.229 12:50, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Bulbapedia is better than PvX tbh. --Tab Moo 13:28, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Is there less autism? — Skakid 13:29, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Only slightly less. --Tab Moo 13:30, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Not surprised tbh. --71.229 13:31, 27 June 2008 (EDT) i'd join, but i'd have to label myself as a PvE'er, which would make me really sad

That's a good thing. PvE>>>>>>PvP. --Tab Moo 13:34, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

PvX was very unmitey yesterday. However! I did savage shot the spells of McEuros in GvG to avenge you :> Snow Bunny 13:43, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

:> --Tab Moo 13:43, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

First

— Piplup 15:16, 27 June 2008 (EDT)~

You know Panic is <2

File:Panic mcpiplup.png - PANIC! sexiness! 14:22, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

<3333333333333333333333333 --Tab Moo 14:25, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

<2 > <3. Also, I loved Superbad. - PANIC! sexiness! 14:27, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Wait a minute... that Piplup doesn't have brown hair! - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 14:37, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

blue --Super Igor *ninja!!* 14:41, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

He does where it counts. - PANIC! sexiness! 14:46, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

^<3--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 21:37, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Piplup only has brown hair between his eyebrows ^^--GRAARR /RESETTI Crossfire 01:03, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

Hey Tab

What's a cow's favorite pastime? —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 21:53, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

being happy? thats what the cheese commercials tell me.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 21:58, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Their favorite past time is getting processed by big scary men into big machines and before you know it kids are eating your belly.--GRAARR /RESETTI Crossfire 01:03, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

mooSnow Bunny 03:41, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

Going to the moo-vies! —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 10:09, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

To see This?--GRAARR /RESETTI Crossfire 10:34, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

tbh

I made Terror Mk II as a character. tbh, Tab Mk II as well.Snow Bunny 12:32, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

ddd. Tab Mk I hasn't been sold yet. gmail fgt --Tab Moo 12:33, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

"No U!"

Paragon Shout
If you are under the effect of an ally's shout, that ally also becomes affected by that shout. - PANIC! sexiness! 05:00, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 05:59, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

"Make Haste!" "No U!" "No U!" "No U!" "No U!" "No U!" "No U!" "No U!" "No U!" - PANIC! sexiness! 06:11, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 06:14, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Beat the Elite 4 btw. Swapped out that Roserade for a Weavile and wtfpwnd the 4th trainer. I actually found Cynthia one of the easier of the 5 tbh. - PANIC! sexiness! 06:22, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

obaby. --Tab Moo 06:42, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

So today's project is to start forming a battle tower team. Can we WiFi the battle tower or do you need to be locally wireless to do it? - PANIC! sexiness! 06:52, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

You mean with us on the same team 2v2? No idea, never tried it. --Tab Moo 07:06, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes I do. For single tower, I'm thinking Garchomp, Gengar, and mebbe a Metagross. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:34, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

You have to be local, I've tried it. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 08:19, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

:< --Tab Moo 08:22, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Hurry Tab! Get on a plane! - PANIC! sexiness! 08:26, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 08:26, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

iWork

I actually have work to do today :< We must find another way to communicate, gmail is too risky.Snow Bunny 13:39, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Passenger Piplups. — Skakid 13:40, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

What else is there :< --Tab Moo 13:41, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

HMMM. OKAY I WILL GMAIL. WE WILL HAVE TO BE VERY NINJAISH AND CUNNING THOUGH. Snow Bunny 13:45, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

They don't call me Tab the Cunning for nothing. --Tab Moo 13:51, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

I thought that had to do with oral sex tbh? - PANIC! sexiness! 13:55, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Nono, that's Tab the Cumming. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 13:56, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

That's a bit less cerebral than what I was getting at...- PANIC! sexiness! 14:03, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

ups --Tab Moo 14:05, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Come on, Tab. We're gonna Gankwarz - PANIC! sexiness! 14:10, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

who with? --Tab Moo 14:17, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

nvm. BYOB GvG now. Ska, me, Mattie, Godly, Other guildies. gogogogogogogo - PANIC! sexiness! 14:19, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Doesn't sound very mighty tbh. Tab, can you match 20 RA wins with a YAA axe warrior? Because that is mitey.Snow Bunny 14:22, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

meh. And I once got like 40 with an RA team. Can't remember what I was running. --Tab Moo 14:25, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Misfate also cumms. Misfate 14:30, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Shut up and go away Misfate, go buy some zkeys or something. Nova 21:26, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

My zaishen rank of 12 lol's at you. Osht firewater and a cremebrulee drop. Misfate 21:30, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

team

Whatest doest thou thinketh abouteth thy battel touer teme? - PANIC! sexiness! 09:53, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Two adamant gibles; both with a dick. QQ. We'll have to lvl100 battle later so I can check their IVs. Got a Jolly female, though. Currently hyper breeding Gastlies, fingers crossed for a Timid female. Also, got me a Slugma. SOOOO much faster now. - PANIC! sexiness! 04:56, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

--Tab Moo 05:05, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

Then begins the Bronzor/Ditto orgy which, tbh, confuses me. - PANIC! sexiness! 05:08, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

Ditto takes the shape of a cork and plugs the bottom of Bronzong. --Tab Moo 05:24, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

How do you have sex with a psychic coin? Is it like some kinda vending machine set up where he kinda falls into her and she dumps out an egg? - PANIC! sexiness! 05:27, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes. Yes it is. --Tab Moo 05:36, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

The beauty of nature. - PANIC! sexiness! 05:38, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 05:41, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

Panic McSadfaec. 28 Gastlies hatched and the best thing out of the lot was a Modest(+SpA/-Att) one. And the only reason I kept it was because it's a girl. Think I'm going to farm dittos instead and get 1 of every nature. Then I can everstone it, breed it until I get a female whatever with that nature and then breed that female with an everstone on it. Got to be faster than hoping for the right nature by chance even if I have to chain breed for some skills. - PANIC! sexiness! 08:22, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

Modest Gengar with a Choice Scarf is good ;o --Tab Moo 08:43, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

Yep. s'why I keepted eet. - PANIC! sexiness!

WTB Back Alley Pokecenter that offers sex reassignment surgery. Will pay in sexual favors from a male Lopunny. - PANIC! sexiness! 08:58, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

Misery does a good price on that kind of thing. --Tab Moo 09:05, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

Ups. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 09:07, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

"Hi! I have this Adamant Gible that has a penis. Very inconvenient. Please change it to a vagina and you can have your filthy, depraved way with this Lopunny twink. He's beaten often so he's very obediant." - PANIC! sexiness! 09:10, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

RIP sf

Ups, dont care --Tab Moo 09:06, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

Oops wrng page :P I meant to post it on relyks.-- 09:08, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

Your attempts at being funny make me lol at you. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:52, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 11:01, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

iEnjoy

VoDing r400 guilds with Mist form. Also - I'm sorry about not finding the Charge build. I did look for it.Snow Bunny 14:56, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

d. Yours is for ganking HA guilds and being strong, therefore it can be a different build. --Tab Moo 14:58, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

Tab Tab The Panda

Tab Kittenstomper

The Tabware Pirate

Tab Modeling

Tab Ploit

Three Tabs

Tab Classic

Torsen Tab

— Skakid 15:05, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

obaby

Skill details

[edit skill details]

Obaby!

Campaign: Adolescent Profession: Warrior Attribute: Unlinked Type: Shout

5

For 10 seconds, your opponents are stunned and are unable to pressure, or alternatively, kill a target before VoD.

	0	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	15	16	17	18	19
Duration	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	10

--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 01:00, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

moooooo

haiSnow Bunny 14:10, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

c --Tab Moo 14:29, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

-- 15:03, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

Eggs

If I have a few Pokemon eggs I dont want to bother hatching is there any way to get rid of them? Release doesnt work. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:47, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

Start a new game...... ¬ Klumpeet 14:54{GMT}5-07-MMVIII

Don't think so :< --Tab Moo 10:54, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

Boiled or scrambled then? ¬ Klumpeet 14:57{GMT}5-07-MMVIII

You aren't worthy of posting on my talk page untill you get your Rupert sig back. --Tab Moo 11:00, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

But it's gay =( Rupert=Hawt 15:08{GMT}5-07-MMVIII

It also has a bear in it. And not the gay type of bear. Therefore it is amazing. --Tab Moo 11:09, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

^ Godbox 11:11, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

ec How 'bout this? Rupert=Hawt 11:12, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

Fuck off homophobe. --Tab Moo 11:13, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

Someone's uncomfortable with their sexuality. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:14, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

Stop talking about me. Ojamo Tell Me I Fail 11:16, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

Yeah. Stop being mean to Ojamo ¬ Klumpeet 15:18{GMT}5-07-MMVIII

You're making me die. On the inside. Just a little. Ojamo Tell Me I Fail 11:18, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 11:23, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

We'll have to do a quick lvl100 battle tonight Tab so I can check the IVs on this batch of possibles for my BT team. - PANIC! sexiness! 14:38, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

^. You know to keep the best IVs for what you want, breed them together, keep the best, breed, etc right? Up to 4 of the parent's 12 IVs are passed on to the egg. --Tab Moo 14:50, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

So I heard. Since these are for the battle tower, chances are that I'll just train whichever of them has the best IVs rather than go through another round of breeding. - PANIC! sexiness! 14:57, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 15:10, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

Piplup

I kept mine until lvl 31 until i realized the final evolution kicks ass! I mean look at him! he's beastly. E M P O L E O N-- 09:43, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

Fuck off. --Tab Moo 09:44, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

Shush, because im making hella lot of piplup eggs and WTB ditto 100k + 15e-- 09:45, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

First

--Tab Moo 07:06, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

ohaidere. wanna pokeymanz in a bit? - PANIC! sexiness! 07:09, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 07:18, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

Trying to get my kersplodey TM atm. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:20, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

Last Godbox 07:29, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

From this moment onwards

All discussion of evolved forms of Piplup on this page is prohibited. --Tab Moo 09:46, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

That reminds me. I need to make a Brave Piplup. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:47, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

Piplup is awesome. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 09:50, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

^. RV your Grumpy Bear pic tbh, it's not carebeartastic anymore :< --Tab Moo 09:50, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

Old one was Copyviooooooo SMASHED by Auron. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:54, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

Wow. He's a nig. --Tab Moo 09:54, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

Need new sig I guess :< - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 09:54, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

I make one later. It may even surpass the old one. --Tab Moo 09:55, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

I like

Dusknoir Discuss.-- 09:56, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

Good for you. --Tab Moo 09:57, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

You want Ricky's talk page then tbh. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:57, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

Why? He likes dusk too?-- 09:58, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

...No. I just like making random comments. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:00, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

jew.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 10:01, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

hello hebrews and shebrews. Isnt it a lovely jewish day today? I purchased a TV yesterday and the guy wanted 400 for it but i ETCHED him down to 200-- 10:02, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

iGuildHistory

I should show you our win/loss record for GvG. We went up 46 rating last night.Snow Bunny 12:19, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

c --Tab Moo 13:04, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

Piplup

does not evolve imo. Prinplup and empoleon are a totally dfiferent species. I mean comeon legendary pokemon dont evolve like piplup.-- 16:21, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

Here is a hint Crossfire, I suggest you take it. - isery (TALK) 16:23, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

Master Ball failed when i triedto catch piplup :/ thats how leet he is.-- 16:26, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

I should send you my Piplup SSBB stage. It's teh bestz. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 16:27, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

I should send you my 1v1 arena. Itsawesome and ONLYDESIGNEDFOR2 PLAYERS.-- 16:30, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

W/N Rip Axe (talk · rate)

so for giving my opinion on what is better you remove it, just remove evrything thats not 5-5-5 and itll be vetted positive for sure!

Anything other than a 5-5-5 is just wrong. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 05:41, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Saying that it's not a great build because it isn't Shock Axe is stupid. Rip can be just as good as, or even better than Shock in some builds. I didn't remove it because you think Shock is better, I removed it because you think it's not a great build due to Shock being better. You're free to revote with a more reasonable score. --Tab Moo 05:48, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh I thought this was about Shockaxe :B ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 05:53, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

My voting has been removed, too, which i consider not reasonable. i voted 4-4-3, because i see it inferior to other builds in use and dont think it will become meta which i explained in my comment. I quote: "A build that works, but is clearly inferior to another build, should get a lower rating than this other build. However, the rating should still be higher than for a build that doesn't work at all. Only builds that serve the same purpose may be compared in that way." Simply because YOU see it as a great build doesn´t mean everyone has to vote 5-5-5. and according to the pvxwiki rules i think my vote was deleted without good reasoning. Looks like Breitschleif 08:27, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

It works. It works great. Thus, great scores follow on from that. Running rip instead of shock isn't something that takes a build down that many points, since they're both rather good skills. Lord of all tyria 08:59, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

@ Briechief, dR (rank 2 guild) is running this and they won.. OHNONO SUCH A BAD BUILD HE SHOULDVE BROUGHT SHOCK INSTEAD-- 09:09, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Cross, just because a highly ranked guild runs it doesn't mean it is meta. GLAD ran fucking strange stuff, most of that has never been here, (except one build :P), I agree that the build is great worthy, but not because of it being "meta". Frosty No U! 09:11, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

It is meta. OBS more ,people dont run W/D anymore.-- 09:16, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Its gud ranged Ench removal. + Bleeding makes people cry when thgey cant get rid of deepwound.-- 09:18, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Now, proper meta is W/A (Death's Charge) and obviously W/E (Shock Axe derrr). Frosty No U! 09:21, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

<3 shadowstepping. Shock is fun too-- 09:23, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Both votes were removed for the same reason - they say that while it is effective, Shock Axe is better. That is not a valid reason to knock down all of the ratings by a point, Rip is just as good an option as Shock, the only score in which it's reasonable to vote it lower is Universality due to it not being as good in all team builds as a Shock Axe. If you feel that I was unreasonable in removing your votes, appeal to another BM or admin on the noticeboard. --Tab Moo 10:06, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

<3

-- 09:16, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Try harder, imo. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 09:25, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

THE ARTIFACTS HURT MY EYES, LERN2PNG. –Ichigo724 20:38, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

I want to believe...

http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/2008-07-01/index.html I'm overcome with a distinct wave of joy after reading this. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:11, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

I enjoyed that hugely. However, I feel that a sausage emu would be better. --Tab Moo 11:43, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Sausage Ostrich is more fun to say. Also, log on in an hour or so. Be nice if I could check the IVs on my Feebasesessessesssessssesseeessessesssseeeesseeesses. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:45, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

^. I enjoy emus though. --Tab Moo 11:46, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

I wish I was either A) Younger or B) a midget so that I could ride them. I would be a brave Emu-neer. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:47, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

I would be braver though. I wonder why nobody else has thought of emus as a greener replacement for cars as a means of transport. --Tab Moo 11:48, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

No me. Also, because no one has the balls to breed Emus large enough to carry a family of 4. Both because the Emu would probably disembowel and eat them and the RSPCA would arrest whatever remained of him. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:52, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

I feel that I am just the man needed to breed a race of large, docile emus. --Tab Moo 11:53, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Don't make them docile, you pussy. I want mine to go on regular man, woman, and child eating rampages. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:55, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

d. I want a large, cuddly emu that works as both a means of transport and a portable bed :<. Emus don't eat meat btw. --Tab Moo 11:57, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Sausage Emu does. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:57, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

He only eats meat from the sausage tree though. --Tab Moo 12:00, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Team - HB Blackout Spike (talk · rate)

I disagree strongly with your removal of most of those votes. please explain your reasoning. ~ Zamanee(point out my idiocy) 13:27, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

The reasoning is shown there. The build is nowhere near as good as they make it out to be, the spike's weak, it's not particularly good at splitting or defending as compared to other builds etc. --Tab Moo 13:28, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

the shown reasoning is flawed. The build is not as counterable as you make it out to be. ~ Zamanee(point out my idiocy) 13:39, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Just like it's not as amazing as they make it out to be? It's definately not worthy of all the 4.8-5ish votes they've given it. --Tab Moo 13:47, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Rank 11 thinks it's bad, too. Also, 5 out of 8 of the 5-5-5-ish votes were removed because they need better reasons behind their votes. You can't really argue against that, so really you're complaining about 3 votes who basically said "Uncounterable! Wins 100% of the time." Which it isn't. And it doesnt. - PANIC! sexiness! 13:49, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Mo/Me GoL Spammer (talk · rate)

I was wondering if you could remove the vote made by Dark0805 because he doesn't really give a very good reason for rating it so much lower than the other voters. Thanks! Esnaz 00:04, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

His votes ok. On builds like that, it's the higher votes that need more reasoning. --Tab Moo 07:45, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

Ups :P ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 08:16, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

I really don't agree with the removing of so many votes on this build. Carmel's vote shouldn't have been removed because if his answer (that GoL + Channeling = lots of energy) is nothing new, then it's obviously a good concept. If something was a good combo, of course it would be somewhat redundant, because that's what makes the build good and that's why people use that combo. Also, Crossfirexiv's vote shouldn't have been removed because it basically uses the same reasoning as Carmel's vote. Plus, your reason for removing the vote doesn't make sense. Crossfirexiv doesn't just say "Spamming Glimmer = Good," he says "Spamming Glimmmer + Channeling = lots of energy and good heals." Esnaz 09:30, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

Protip: Don't enter a discussion with a BM. He's a BM for a reason. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 09:31, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

It's not a dictatorship. Just because a BM says something doesn't mean it's true, or final. I'm merely bringing up some points that might have been overlooked. Esnaz 09:42, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

TBH, if wasn't right about most things, we (including myself) wouldn't have elected him to be a BM. Don't make this into some tyranical monster issue. PvX is srs bsns. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 09:44, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

What's wrong with dictatorship all of a sudden? ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 09:46, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

Exactly why are you complaining that 2 4-4-4 votes were removed off a build where the votes average out to 4 anyway? It doesn't matter if they're there or not. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:49, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

They were removed because the reasoning behind the scores is that spamming Glimmer with Channeling is effective. That isn't the case. The build is a bunch of ineffective skills tossed together with little synergy. --Tab Moo 09:53, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

Thanks to all of the wonderful removals of Tab, this build went from a 4.40 rating to a Trash build. Thank you so much, Tab. I really like how you win debates the cheap way, by removing the opposition! Good job! Esnaz 11:41, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Sorry I don't win debates by accepting that a bad build is a great one. I'm afraid that we don't have a PvXwiki:Don't vote lowly on this build because it might hurt the author's feelings policy. --Tab Moo 11:44, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

It's not like I was the only one who liked the build. It got at least 4 other votes that were above a 4.0! That's why it was originally a good build! Esnaz 11:45, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Believe it or not, when you have 4 people voting too highly on a build, that's what happened. The entire reason we have a BM policy here is so that builds don't get overrated like that. I'm sorry that it resulted in your build being trashed, but you can't expect me to leave votes up that say it's a great build because it can spam a mediocre heal on charge and not much else. --Tab Moo 11:49, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Im sorry to say but ur removals COMPLETELY do not make sense. the point of voting is to give OUR opinions, not urs. all ur reasons are because u THINK the build doesn't deserve the ratings that we gave it. the only ratings you kept were the ones that had ratings close to urs. that is insane.if thats the way pvx runs then there shouldnt even be ratings. maybe u should just decide what to do with everything, because obviously ur opinions are the only ones that matter....\/\/SID 11:47, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Ratings should be based on facts, rather than opinions. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:50, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Please read the sites policys. While the object of voting is to gather the opinion of the userbase on how good a build is, that does not mean that opinions based on fallacy are going to be kept. Why did I keep ratings close to mine? Because that's the range of votes that is suitable for the build. Of course I'm not going to leave a 5-5-5 vote on it when it's nowhere near 5-5-5 good. In voting me and the other BMs try to tolerate a certain range of scoring and reasoning, however we will remove votes based on false reasoning and scores that are considerably over or underrating the builds effectiveness. --Tab Moo 11:53, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

wow if that is the case then pvx wiki sucks for builds...thats not the way it should work. i mean...if i think the build deserves a 5-5-5 then keep it there. the point of rating a build is to give your opinion on how good u think the build is then...based on what u said the point of rating a build is lost. i see no PvX: Remove Rating that are Not Close to What the Build Master Thinks\/\/SID 14:03, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

The BM policy states that BMs are in charge of deciding which votes are valid and which aren't, and that they are allowed to remove votes for which the rating or reasoning is off. There has to be a way to enforce which builds are allowed to be voted great, or PvX would be even more of a joke than it is now. I'm sorry that you don't agree, but me plus most of the rest of the userbase think that the build is not worthy of great votes, and I have to remove such votes. I'm not saying that I'm going to remove all votes that aren't trash, but when you're voting a build you have to have a certain width of scoring which you will tolerate, and remove all votes that are considerably out of that width. If you can vote with good enough reasoning to convince me that the build is infact worthy of being great, then by all means go ahead and I'll leave it up. --Tab Moo 14:09, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

OK i have a reason...just look at wat i said when i rated it. theres my reason for giving it the ratings i gave it. but u know wut...pvx wiki sucks. the only good builds are copied from other sites or have been used in game for a while before being put on this website. u guys are just afraid to be innovative, and right now i cant do much about that. so i give up here..\/\/SID 14:43, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Just accept it. You reasoning wasn't adequate for the scoring you gave, if you feel that I was wrong to remove it, you can contest the removal on the admin noticeboard. I offer you my sincerest apologies that we aren't constantly pioneering the meta in a game that has been out for 3 years, and in which the meta has been stale for months. Good luck in your future ventures. --Tab Moo 14:45, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

This is a classical case of "my build got trashed QQ *rage pvx*" ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 14:46, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

File:71.229 Beingoppressed.jpg Ojamo Tell Me I Fail 14:51, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

It's not that, it's a case of "my build was rated a 4.4, then got the votes above 3.5 removed because they didn't have good reasoning even though the reasons were consistent between all ratings, then it was trashed"

This is getting ridiculous. You're yet to provide me with any reasoning whatsoever as to why your build deserved those ratings. Because it didn't. This is simply a case of "My build was rated 4.4. I rather liked it that way. Then a BM came, and removed the bad votes and gave it something it actually deserved, so I'm going to QQ at them all day!" If you honestly think that your build was deserving of a score of 4.4, then go appeal my removal on the noticeboard. You'll need better reasoning than you've demonstrated here though.

Nobody likes it when their build is trashed, but unfortunately when people overrate a build, a BM has to step in and put the votes at a more reasonable level. That's what happened here, it's not a case of power abuse, dictatorship, or anything else that you've claimed. --Tab Moo 15:02, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

BTW i didnt make this build so its not like im the author getting angry\/\/SID 14:58, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

I give up, it's obvious my opinion isn't value here on pvx. Esnaz 15:07, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Nobody is disregarding your opinion. It's just that all you've said is that your build had a rating of 4.4, it now has a rating of <2.5 and you wish that weren't the case. In disputes such of this you have to argue for your build with actually reasoning on it's effectiveness rather than QQing about how it lost 2 points on it's rating. You aren't going to get anywhere like this. --Tab Moo 15:09, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Here's my reason: The build provides good heals along with good energy management (Glimmerspam + Channeling). Now, I'm done. Esnaz 15:13, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

So the build has two skills that work to an extent? That's hardly worth a great score. It also has a bar filled with redundant skills (additional heals when Patient can be spammed without downtime, SoR on a bar that should never encounter energy problems). Spamming a 100 point heal on charge under channeling isn't worth a 4.4 score, which is why it got trashed. You were given advice on the talk page to remove some of the more redundant skills, and you ignored it. --Tab Moo 15:16, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

/agree with Tab Ojamo Tell Me I Fail 15:18, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Calm down, people. Last I checked, we already have a Glimmer of Light build for HA use. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:04, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Lol

^. And it's an actual person! --*Wah Wah Wah!* 13:09, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

Even more amazingly, it's not a sock! I wholeheartedly approve of this. --Tab Moo 13:13, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

I was thinking that. Must... post... LONGCAT PICTURE!!! --*Wah Wah Wah!* 13:14, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

Longcat is short.-- 14:15, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

Tab's Sexual Miscreants List

First!! ChoytW [POND] 10:23, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

last --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 10:26, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

LMAO @ title Thanks Panic ;-) ChoytW [POND] 10:33, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

last of the last ¬ Klumpeet 14:38{GMT}14-07-MMVIII

^ but by far the best ¬ Klumpeet 15:17{GMT}14-07-MMVIII

> By far the best butt. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:19, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Lateral thinking

Being in the line for abduction and probing above means you will be probed, regardless of your place in the line. It would be more beneficial to go first, then, since the person in place X will be probed with equipment that has been inside X-1 other people. Moral of the story? Stand in line for something else. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:49, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Build:P/any PvE Angelagon

The high votes need to be looked at. incoming was recently buffed to max 6 seconds for pve, btw.-- 11:04, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

AN.. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:05, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Tab is smart and rapta would "deal" with it instead.-- 11:06, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

You got some serious Tab asskissing going on... ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:46, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

They see me kissin'
Tab's ass
Dick sucking
Tryin' to get me some vote removal.

My lips are so chapped,
They're stingin'
Ass kissing
Tryin' to get me some vote removal.
--Tab Moo 12:07, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

I lol'd irl :P ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 12:08, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Cantchaseethat Tab's so nerdy.

Cantchaseethat Tab's so nerdy.

-- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 12:28, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

Shortcat is short

--*Wah Wah Wah!* 12:55, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

^. I'd like to request an average cat. --Tab Moo 13:00, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

...Middlecat is averaged on a basis of a survery of 10 different cats, 5 long, 5 short. Catches on, just like "longcat is long". --*Wah Wah Wah!* 13:01, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

I would also like to see a standard deviationcat, normal distribution cat and widecat. --Tab Moo 13:06, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Narrowcat ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 13:11, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

I have already seen a narrowcat. It was very narrow. --Tab Moo 13:13, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Narrowcat was narrow? ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 13:14, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

-- 13:28, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Sway? D: ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 13:31, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

File:Panic angry.jpg - PANIC! sexiness! 13:39, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

motigoncat --Tab Moo 13:39, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

RA Tacticgon cat tbh. - PANIC! sexiness! 13:40, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Deny. Izzy plays a mean motigon. --Tab Moo 13:41, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Shortcat is indeed short. Also

— Skakid 13:51, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

File:Zelda - Princess Zelda.jpg-- 19:53, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

My friend's sister's friend dress up as Zelda I heard. She also dressed up as the chick from Resident Evil and went to ComiCon, I also heard. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 19:54, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Lol. Shortcat is wayyy too short.-- 19:56, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Here is your widecat allright: File:Brandnew Widecat is pretty wide.jpg Brandnew. 12:36, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

That is a very wide cat. --Tab Moo 13:38, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

Smallcat is small? The image is the real size!--Koflem_(.) 00:04, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Diablo

So...you're a diablo fan also? I think they're supposesd to give the release date at the next expo...can't wait  ;-) ChoytW [POND] 12:11, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

and then they have to keep moving the date cause they arent done yet --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 12:12, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

Yarly, diablo 3 is gonna be amazing though.--GoldenStar 12:13, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

hey guyz what are those zombies doing on the wallz? lets break it down --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 12:15, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes it is. I only had time to watch the first half of the demo, but was glad they actually made leap a viable skill again lol. My brother was talking about the release date and said that, based on their previous announcements, if they give a date, it'll be out within a year. If they don't, it'll be a year plus before release. I just can't believe it's taken this long to get a new one out. ChoytW [POND] 12:28, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

they will release it when they think its perfect. why do you think Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo are best seller series and still popular --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 12:33, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

Diablo is hawt. When I heard about D3, I almost passed out due to all of my blood flowing to my penis. --Tab Moo 13:38, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

witchdoctor...o boy --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 13:46, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

LOL--i am totally playing through Diablo II again right now because i can't get on GW atm.--Reason.decrystallized 15:09, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

i started diablo 2 again when i saw diablo 3 --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 17:53, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

Just so you guys know, Gcardinal has started up a wiki for Diablo 3! ChoytW [POND] 15:22, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

A Parting Gift (although early)

— Skakid 16:33, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

You gotta love this guy. With 2 piplup dances his bubblebeam does a bajillion damige~!-- 21:16, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

bubblebeam is special, swords dance only boosts physical. Be less worse at pokemans plx. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 22:00, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

lol wut, hes fucking hawt --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 09:31, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Mudkip imo ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 09:28, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Shiny Pachirisu tbh. - PANIC! sexiness! 09:42, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Less talk page spam/trolling plx crossfire. --Tab Moo 09:53, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Fucking douchebag

I clicked that link and got Rick roll'd. NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP, NEVER GONNA LET YOU DOWN! --*Wah Wah Wah!* 11:15, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

ups --Tab Moo 11:16, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

I NEVER DO ANYTHING, TO HURT YOU! NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP, NEVER GONNA SAY GOODBYE! Yes, my dad loves that song. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 11:17, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Do people seriously not mouse over links before clicking them... - isery (TALK) 11:54, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Obviously not.-- 15:48, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

bear

yellow, obviously. Brandnew. 08:18, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

highlight below for the answer ;o --Tab Moo 08:26, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Makes no sense, my answer is way better. Brandnew. 15:01, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Think about it for a bit --Tab Moo 15:02, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

I did. I like to think before talking/commenting. Brandnew. 15:04, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

The door faces south, so the bears coming from the north pole. It's a polar bear. I enjoy bad jokes. --Tab Moo 15:06, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Then I've got one for you that made our entire physics class laugh an entire lesson because we all went to the bar before that lesson. What's white and wanders trough the dessert. Brandnew. 15:08, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Gaile Gray? --Tab Moo 15:09, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

No, it was a herd of yoghurt. It was funnier when we were drunk tbh. :/ Brandnew. 15:11, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

That was too bad for even me to appreciate :< --Tab Moo 15:13, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Humm, I figured it would be so bad it would be good. Don't know any other jokes besides from it tbh. Brandnew. 15:15, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Unless you want to hear the one with the dangerous thing that sits in a tree. But that one was so bad, you wouldn't even laugh about it while on NO. Brandnew. 15:17, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

What did the postman say when he lost his hat? --Tab Moo 15:18, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Postmen don't wear hats. Brandnew. 15:19, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

This one does. He said "where's my hat?" --Tab Moo 15:20, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

lol, postman hat was one of our first bans, was it not? —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 15:22, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh the nostalgy. (That one was even worse then mine tbh.) Brandnew. 15:24, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

The door out of my house faces south and I don't live at the north pole, ups? - isery (TALK) 15:31, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes you do. --Tab Moo 15:33, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh, my mistake. As you were Tab. - isery (TALK) 15:35, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

sproing. - PANIC! sexiness! 15:44, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

I need a

Dusknoir Any level any gender. Ill give u piplups-- 10:20, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

I have said Dusknoir. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 16:18, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

What do u want for it?-- 17:02, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Got any Mamoswines around, or a Zapdos or Suicune? For the latter two, I can give you something else as well. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 17:56, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

I dont have any of those pokemon :(. Anything else you need? dusk is sooooo kewl. If not, where can ifind a reapers cloth?-- 21:09, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Route 229. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 21:17, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Well im on my brothers game and he already got it so now my only choice is to get it from the turnback cave.... which is worse then hell.-- 22:06, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Title.

First-ish. Brandnew. 15:34, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Tab's birthday present

File:Piplup sweatshirt.jpg Hawt I know--GoldenStar 07:16, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

obaby mcbaby. c/po --Tab Moo 07:18, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

...wow. - PANIC! sexiness! 07:20, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Damn you

Damn you idiot. Why you removed all ratingsa bove 3 from my build (total around 6)? There isn't a damn reason for that since also the low rating have same commend.......robertjan 07:26, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Because it's bad? --Tab Moo 07:27, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Damn you idiot. What do you think of the new mascot on my user page? - PANIC! sexiness! 07:30, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

obaby --Tab Moo 07:30, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

(ec times two) ...? They have the same comment because that's what makes the build bad? Agreeing on one thing proves that it's bad rather than the opposite. Godbox 07:30, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

(ec) @Panic: awesome. Godbox 07:31, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Why they did that? Then i ask for a vote whipe (dunno where) so i could move it to my own pagerobertjan 07:32, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

You don't need to wipe it then, you can just move it to User:Robertjanvaneijk1988/build name --Tab Moo 07:33, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

WTB Tabsmash please

Build:A/E GoR Spiker-- 19:55, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

Ups, Tab is on holiday. - isery (TALK) 20:05, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

dammit.-- 23:33, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

For when you get back:

Epic win - isery (TALK) 09:56, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Is that the youtube song you tried to get me to watch the other day?

^--GoldenStar 18:41, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Present to warm your loins when you return

File:Piplup hawt.png - PANIC! sexiness! 20:43, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Uh oh. Sexy Piplup was too sexy. Less sexy piplup ETA 9 hours. - PANIC! sexiness! 04:23, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

I missed that Piplup, really don't know if that was a good thing or not O_o - isery (TALK) 04:44, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

If I can make just one person question their sexuality every day then I know I'm making a difference. - PANIC! sexiness! 04:52, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

You made people unsure as to whether or not they were pokesexual? - isery (TALK) 05:05, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

I dunno, Misery? Did I? - PANIC! sexiness! 05:12, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

I don't know, it got baleeted too quickly. Wizardboy smash. NSFW which is probably good because I was at work at the time. - isery (TALK) 05:17, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh. You missed SEEING it. I thought you meant you were pining for her. <_< In any case, there will be a new one for you to admire tonight with less wet t-shirt but just as much anime cleavage. - PANIC! sexiness! 05:24, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

.........Starter piplup is a BOY dumbass!! :0-- 10:33, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

wutz a ditto m8? - PANIC! sexiness! 10:43, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

A pokemon that breeds with male piplups and produces a big majority of female piplups.-- 10:48, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

orite. thx. ur rly gud. - PANIC! sexiness! 10:51, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Ditto is a pink blob that is labeled as (neither boyor girl) because nobody wants to find out. Also, if you put a boy piplup and a boy piplup in a daycare, you get a piplup party.-- 10:53, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Panic... were you trying to get me to reroll my game over and over to get the impossible female Piplup as a joke? - isery (TALK) 10:57, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

I never had to reroll at all to figure out that piplup iz only boy. That is unless the daycare burns down.-- 10:58, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

lol. It's not impossible. Crossfire's just a dumbass. - PANIC! sexiness! 11:00, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Ill give you all the money i have if u bring me a male clefary.-- 12:13, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Ohai

I r back. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 03:00, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Big /care Fishels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 06:39, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

I believe the caring is doubled because Tab isn't back. - isery (TALK) 06:55, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

ups

--Tab Moo 05:32, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

^ Frosty No U! 05:34, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

ups. - isery (TALK) 05:42, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

ohaidere. We raged ur gild btw. Ska's fault. - 05:44, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 05:45, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

To a new guild where every one is bad and they can't win a single GvG without Skakid :) Brandnew. 05:46, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

We did win one without Ska. And then we lost one. Then Ska showed up and we lost again. Both times because of being unable to defend properly against a split. - 05:47, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Our win without ska was awesome. Frosty No U! 05:51, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

File:Brandnew Naamloos.jpg That's how you win against a split at low levels. Brandnew. 05:53, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Their heavily defensive back and midline were following the core group around, healing and protting NPCs and each other. Pushing into their base wouldn't have improved the situation of them gutting our base. - 06:01, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

If we'd all be in their base, they needed only to lauch one siege to instantly win, if they do it right (i.e., lauch a few secs before base rez, so the siege lands after the 2min mark) --› Srs Beans R Srs 06:04, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Also, the first time we lost was because our flagger was using an oddball build and just physically couldn't defend the base properly. The second time we just waited too long to send people back. - 06:08, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm sorry to interrupt this fascinating discussion, but I have an important question - is an african albino a nig or not? --Tab Moo 06:11, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes. Just a mutant nig. - 06:13, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

That would be a secret nig. Ojamo Tell Me I Fail 11:17, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

In other news, Skakid and Frosty were banned from GW for like 3 days, PvX guild actually won a few matches, without Skakid, and PvX is PvX. Discuss. Also, albino nigs are considered "inside out Oreos". Get it fucking right. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 11:33, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

skakid? wtf did he do? - 11:35, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Same as Frosty. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 11:40, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

ffs. R1k GvG people are anus slurping bitches. - 11:44, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Well Skakid can still play on his junk account, but not his Strong Mcbrave account. Kinda sucks, as we always do GvG with Frosty, and GvG with Skakid is just nice bonus. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 11:45, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Frosty can access the guild leader account with like 4 elites unlocked; Ska might be able to access another one. Mebbe borrowing Rawr's if Grinch isn't using it. - 11:48, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

ima gonna unlock Shock Axe tbh Frosty No U! 11:49, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

I can help you farm Zai Elites in about 40 minutes if you want. There's about 6k fairly easily. Not sure we'll actually get 6k from it but you can atleast buy an elite. Then you can just dick around in AB. - 11:52, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

I though Skakid had the junk account that owns the guild? --*Wah Wah Wah!* 11:53, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

May just make Charge Sword good. Frosty No U! 12:07, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

I always though the junk account was owned by Skakid. I guess he isn't banned then. In sad news, you may not hear me on vent in a while, as I only have access to mic on rare occasions. Last night was one of them. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 12:08, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

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Obaby

Second, and you have to come guest for PvX guild for the lolz. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 17:58, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

^ mudkip? --Tab Moo 18:36, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

^ mudkip? - isery (TALK) 18:54, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

^ mudkip? —SkaKid 19:28, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

^mudkip? Misfate 22:02, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

^ mudkip? - isery (TALK) 09:30, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

^ mudkip? - 09:32, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

^ mudkip? --Tab Moo 10:07, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Leet

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Good memories. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 19:34, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Zzz

Life is boring. How was your vacation? - 09:18, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Also boring. On the plus side, I had about 5-6 days of car journeys. Lots of pokemons. --Tab Moo 09:19, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Nice. Did you enjoy the sexy piplup awaiting you? - 09:20, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes. Yes I did. --Tab Moo 09:21, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Oh good. Google was a failure on the piplup-with-boobs front so I took it upon myself to remedy the situation. The first one got Admin'd because the wet t-shirt was too revealing. It was a shame. - 09:28, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

TBH I'm surprised they didn't Adminsmash that picture on your talk. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 09:32, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

I consider that safe for work, I just have to scroll down quickly depending on who else is in the room. - isery (TALK) 09:34, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Or keep it up there, depending on who else is in the room. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 09:34, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

It's impossible for man, woman, or child to dislike that picture and have a pulse at the same time. - 09:37, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

My boss is vry srs bsns when it comes to looking at non-work related stuff. Thankfully a large majority of PvX is just walls of text so he doesn't know wtf I am looking at. - isery (TALK) 09:38, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

If he doesn't like that picture then either A) he's a robot or B) one or both of those girls is his daughter. - 09:42, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

You can cross off B. He would still like the picture TBH. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 09:43, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Wow. Your family really is more screwed up than I thought. - 09:47, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

No, his bosses is. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 09:49, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

I would explain stuff but meh. In summary, hawt picture is hawt. - 09:54, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

The picture srsly isn't that great, imho. Seen far better, anyway. Not the mention the left one has some fugly nipples. Hawt picture... isn't that hawt. – ★ Sazzy ★ 09:56, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

tsk tsk, Sazzy, you don't get it. It's not about the nipples. :(. Also, are you going to Ally up or what? :( - 10:00, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Nah, I do get it. This one is just mediocre compared to others. I also probably won't ally, but I can guest :3 – ★ Sazzy ★ 10:04, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Your resistance to joining is dissapointing, yet your expertise in the field of girls making love intrigues me. - 10:11, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

lulz ^^ – ★ Sazzy ★ 10:13, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

wtb access to Sazzy's elite softcore lesbian stash. - 10:17, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

<3 <3 Tab. Your power of mud and kipz was sorely missed. moo--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 09:45, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

moo --Tab Moo 10:07, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Tabby moo

Shall I post my awesomesauce redbar monk? I'd say it's great for the avarage wikiuser. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 13:08, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

moo --Tab Moo 13:40, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Birfday. Happy mooday!--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 16:24, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

<3. You're without a doubt the most mootastic hungarian I know. --Tab Moo 17:02, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Careful with what you reveal, moopete. I'm wanted in 6 countries. and you should have blurred out the website on those image links.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 17:17, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Everyone knows the link. You can't see anything untill izzy activates your account though. --Tab

Moo 17:18, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

If by everyone you mean people who arent on this wiki then you'd be right. But at the same time, they also wont figure out how to reach the reg page =).--Dark0805(Rant/[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|Contributions]]) 17:23, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

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--Tab Moo 18:05, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

--71.229 17:18, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

oh my god. That was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen <33333333333333333333333333333 --Tab Moo 17:19, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

:> --71.229 17:26, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

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enjoy. --Tab Moo 17:01, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

OMG :)-- 17:09, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Holy fuck. Godbox 17:12, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

That is so fake. Eles dont daze.-- 17:13, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Scavenger's Strike boon prot? :D --71.229 17:28, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Lyssa's Aura Boon Prot tbh. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:40, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Lol, join date 1970. Screams fake to me. --› Srs Beans R Srs 17:46, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Izzys forum admin. You can change stuff like that to anything you want. Wait and see. --Tab Moo 17:48, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Judging by the rose, was that user yue or ensign?--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 18:03, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

It was Izzy. obaby. --71.229 18:11, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

I personally hope it's fake. Some stuff is getting buffed too much tbh. Those screens are also easy to fake as some people are going insane just because they see izzy's nick there. – ★ Sazzy ★ 18:16, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

It's not actually that bad, there's not stuff that's massively imba, and not much that is even slightly imba. It's pretty certain that that's the real thing, I'd heard about most of those changes from various people before those screens were leaked. --Tab Moo 18:18, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

I wanted it tonight mother fuckers. I spent all night smurfing waiting for it. We did get +16 with BYOB without losing a single match including one flawless though. Stunning Strike Warriors are so bloody strong against bad monks. - isery (TALK) 18:28, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

so i herd it wuz real? Der Pwnzer: ohai 20:03, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

<pvxbig>[build prof=mo/me insp=10 prot=10+1 divine=11+1+1][Lyssa's Aura][Epidemic][Guardian][Reversal of Fortune][Dismiss Condition][Spirit Bond][Holy Veil][Divine Boon][/build]</pvxbig> ? --71.229 17:50, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

see the build frv posted. Boonprots are bad now, you need shit like WoH in this meta. --Tab Moo 17:51, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

i c. :( --71.229 17:53, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

so run a woh boonprot and make some nig BiP for you. --Tab Moo 17:54, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

:O --71.229 17:58, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

wtb "monster" update --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 18:49, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

pocket monster update imo --Tab Moo 18:52, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

iv gotta catch 'm all --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 18:53, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered weak and weary over many a quaint and curious volumes of forgotten lore, while I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, as of some one gently rapping. Rapping at my chamber door. "Tis a visitor," I muttered "Rapping at my chamber door. Only this and nothing more." - 09:12, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

raven ;o --Tab Moo 09:17, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Moo

Discuss. --Crow is PhatNThat 07:23, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

You'll never be able to turn me on with moos like Fish does. --Tab Moo 07:24, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

I can and I will. Eventually... --Crow is PhatNThat 07:24, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Anyway, what guild are you in TAB? --Crow is PhatNThat 07:25, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Tab Smash [ZFQ]. I don't play gw anymore other than to dp out japs once a month and fulfil random pve urges. --Tab Moo 07:26, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

I have decided that you are gonna start playing GW again, everyday for 25 hours. --Crow is PhatNThat 07:28, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Here's my offer: I'll do that if you can give me an erection with a single moo. --Tab Moo 07:29, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Hmm, seems reasonable since I have a webcam hidden in your room watching you. MOO. --Crow is PhatNThat 07:30, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

That was one of the worst moos I have ever seen. --Tab Moo 07:31, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

You know it turned you on, I saw the erection. --Crow is PhatNThat 07:32, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

This conversation is getting increasingly terrible. bai. --Tab Moo 07:33, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

GvG

With us tonight? Can't wait to see the utter faggotry that people are going to come up with. Also, is there any reason not to alliance up with Ska's guild? - 10:32, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

I don't even know what guild ska is in tbh. And possibly, depends on the level of faggotry I'd have to put up with. --Tab Moo 10:34, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

We're in Polly and Monks [rawr]. Also I meant faggotry from other r1k guilds but there's the normal level of faggotry you come to expect from PvX. - 10:41, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

ups. I'll come if either a) there's someone that isn't complete shit for me to monk with or b) you can find some hawt non-monk build for me to play. And I mean hawt. --Tab Moo 10:43, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

heroway. Misfate 10:45, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

You will be please to know that User:Mg and User:Srs Beans are both pretty good monks. Also, we'll probably run a semi-organized BYOB unless there's been some more solidity in the meta by tonight. - 10:47, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Dunkoro, Talhkora, and Ogden are pretty good monks too. They even use SoD in more useful situations. Misfate 10:49, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 11:38, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Uhh hello, I can't sleep. --Crow is PhatNThat 21:42, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Also I'm pretty good at infuser!! :O. --Crow is PhatNThat 21:43, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

I never Monk (neither in PvP nor PvE), but when I GvG, I'm always the RC. Go figure. --› Srs Beans R Srs 06:15, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

So you play the hardest role which also still needs to Spirit Bond. I don't get it? Brandnew. 06:17, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

I rawk. Or at least people automatically assume I do. And it seems to work. --› Srs Beans R Srs 06:22, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

NOOO

You deleted my lovely talk with you :'(. --Crow is PhatNThat 07:46, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Finally

You killed the updates builds. /bow-- 08:10, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

ups --Tab Moo 09:57, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Tabtabtabtabtabtabtab

Tabtabtabtabtabtabtabtabtabtabplx ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:00, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 10:01, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Yay, piplup! - Misery Is Grumpy 10:04, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 10:04, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Your new sig

is highly sexual and gets me hard in so many ways. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 10:41, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 10:42, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Wild Piplup appeared

Piplup used Guest as Monk for GvG for Us! It's super effective! --*Wah Wah Wah!* 14:45, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

I haven't GvG monked since January tbh. --Tab Moo 14:45, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

You're better than what we've had TBH. Be a man for once. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 14:46, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Fine, hope you enjoy wiping though <3 --Tab Moo 14:47, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Obaby. - Misery Is Grumpy 14:47, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

guild wars

--Tab Moo 17:03, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Is still boring. But now so is Diablo II. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:05, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

agreed. I made a MF sorc, got some stuff, made a sin, then thought "fuck getting a rush or doing quests". Hello Kitty Online is released soon though. --Tab Moo 17:06, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

also, give me your infinity :< --Tab Moo 17:31, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

It's not mine. =/ — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:32, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

ups --Tab Moo 17:37, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Ty for teh picture of the dancing pichu tab

now i have to find a different pair of pants--GoldenStar 17:14, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

File:Tab Pichu.gif --Tab Moo 17:16, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Meow.

Where did you get the build from? :D Liek, i bet you made it nub~<3

Pretty sure I didn't. --Tab Moo 08:42, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Ihihih, so you don't know where you got it from? Lul, it's IzzY's build.

Who are IzzY again? Oh right, nobody's heard of them. And you're looking for User:Lord_of_all_tyria --Tab Moo 08:44, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Also, the magic of the "History" tab leads you to the wonderous land of learning who made the build. You may also find numerous reverts of your idiotic attempt to keep people from stealing your crappy build. But rest assured, it won't be here for long, as it'll be thrown in trash and deleted. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 08:46, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

lul u r nub IzzY wins :D it r gud jus cuz u dnt undrstan XDXDXDXD watev imma jus dlet it cuz i haz ips n proksy pepepepepe!!!1! - 08:51, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Wow I didn't find the build anywhere.. Wonder if your guild is Jeep? :D And yeah too bad teambuilder has the build saved on the date our guildleader made it ~__~

Call me Ishmael.

He piled upon the whale's white hump the sum of all the general rage and hate felt by his whole race from Adam down; and then, as if his chest had been a mortar, he burst his hot heart's shell upon it. - 07:16, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

I just ate some fried chicken. The breasts were juicy, and the buns were soft and warm.

Afterwards, the division manager of KFC came up to my table and asked me how the meal was. I said I was satisfied, but the meal lacked a certain je ne sais quoi. He apoligized profusely, and said he had something to show me that would make up for it.

He lead me to the back of the KFC, to a room soaked from floor to ceiling in blood. In the center of it was a live horse, chained by all four legs to the structural supports of the warehouse like room. As I watched, employees of the KFC cut large sections from the horse, which was whinneying and screaming in horror. The KFC employees took the chunks of horseflesh and sliced them into pieces, then they rooted around through the bags of trash strewn around the room to find discarded chicken bones.

They quickly tenderized the meat with sledgehammers and fed it into a machine which formed the horsemeat around the bones, then they breaded and deepfried it.

I asked the division manager why he had led me back to this place, and he pointed at the steed's rump, the asshole puckering rythmically with terror. "We're just about to use that section, would you like a crack at it first?"

I quickly unzipped my pants and wasted no time jamming my erect PENIS into the stallion's defenseless asshole. I came just as the horse died. I was delighted. KFC definitely went the extra mile to make me a satisfied customer. --Tab Moo 07:17, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

I love KFC. Also, was that random or does that passage from Moby Dick sound latently sexual to you, too? -

I have to admit that I became erect upon reading it. --Tab Moo 07:24, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

On similar note, I have actually eaten Zebra. - 07:31, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Good? --Tab Moo 07:31, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Very good. Much like a lean, sweet beef. I've also eaten springbok, snake, squirrel, quail, crocodile, and kangaroo. All nice except for the Kangaroo which takes like you'd imagine a giant bouncing rat would taste like. - 07:36, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

obaby --Tab Moo 07:43, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Have you sampled turtle testicle? It's strangely nutty. Pun not intended. I actually thought it was like a Huhu Grub at first, kind of looks like one too. - Misery Is Grumpy

ups --Tab Moo 08:06, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

I've had turtle, but in the form of turtle soup, which I dont think had organs in it. I heard those big grubs taste like peanut butter. I also hear you kiwis are big on sea urchins? - 08:11, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Never had kina tbh, but I'm not Maori. Paua yes, a few times. First time we pan fried it and it really was just salty rubber. - Misery Is Grumpy 08:22, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

I've never had a hamburger or a hotdog, does that make me special? --*Wah Wah Wah!* 08:23, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Depends. Are niggers special? --Tab Moo 08:23, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

About half and half. Well, not half and half, because then they'd be white. More like a double chocolate chip cookie. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 08:24, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Why have you never had a hamburger or hotdog? - 08:31, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

He prefers KFC. --Tab Moo 08:32, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

He's a vegetarian. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 08:33, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

For shame. Leave those poor veggies alone and eat something that deserves it. Like chickens. It's their own fault for being so tastey. -

first

^--Reason.decrystallized 09:04, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

ups --Tab Moo 09:41, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Third, technically. The buns were hot and the breasts were juicy. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 09:42, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

I will prepare my Zhed and Gaile bind for the next time I happen to be on vent with you. --Tab Moo 09:43, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

obaby thats a good bind. It goes on for about 4mins --Tab Moo 09:57, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

[10] You've probably seen that, but still. Godbox 10:32, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Seen it? That's me singing it tbh. --Tab Moo 10:44, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

KFC

Definitely went the extra mile to make me a satisfied customer.-- 11:47, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

I have better binds than that tbh --Tab Moo 11:56, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

You got the Gwen and Little Thom one? --*Wah Wah Wah!* 11:57, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Not as a bind. Zhed and Gaile is good though. Very good. --Tab Moo 11:58, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

wtb I guarantee it. - 11:59, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 11:59, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Way to catch on extremely late crossfire. Like a year late <3 —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 21:19, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

KFC is just too good. I might put it on my ipod so I can listen to it on repeat as I go to sleep. --Tab Moo 05:45, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

HEY TABBYMOO

Forever, you are an Avatar of Tab. You summon 1...6 level 100 Piplups. When this form ends, everything dies. Ojamo Tell Me I Fail 12:40, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

The Piplups are an actuality. ¬ Klumpeet 16:44{GMT}11-08-MMVIII

Fixed. - Misery Is Grumpy 12:52, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Avatar of Tab

For 1337 Seconds Every time you hit with an attack a level 1337 piplup is summoned at your location and deals 1337 damage to foes. When Avatar of Tab ends, It is instantly recharged.-- 12:58, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

See the difference between what I did and what you did is that I didn't get down on my knees and suck Tab's cock. I'm sure he is disappointed in me. - Misery Is Grumpy 13:03, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

TBH you don't ask Tab to suck his gigantic member, nor does Tab ask you, Tab DEMANDS you. And next thing you know you're cybering with the disc drive, a magnet, and some lube. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 13:05, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

While the amount of cock sucking performed by newfag is quite simply astounding, he could never compare to the extreme high quality of your occasional blowjob. --Tab Moo 13:05, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Avatar of Tab
Elite Form
For 5 months you will tell baed players why they are baed, causing them to incoherently rage at you. When this form ends, you rage PvX and play Diablo 3. - 13:11, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 13:12, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Avatar of Tab
Elite Form
For 5 months you will tell baed players why they are baed, causing them to incoherently rage at you. When this form ends, you rage PvX telling people that Piplup is real. Mudkip 13:13, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Hi Klumpeet --Tab Moo 13:13, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Hi. ¬ Klumpeet 17:15{GMT}11-08-MMVIII

Piplup is real. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 18:42, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Unfortunately

Socks are not allowed. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 15:28, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

How do i keep my feet warm then?-- 22:11, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

How/When do I use Spirit Bond?

^-- 20:18, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Obaby. —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 20:19, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

No joke? Brandnew. 20:21, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

When it's going to trigger alot of times. --Tab Moo 05:24, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

If a Dervish/other Scythe wielder is walking towards your backline which won't reduce damamge to fuck, Spirit Bond (beats Guardian, cause Scythes are so overpowered). When a Warrior starts Frenzy'ing after Shock, Spirit Bond (usually means a spike). It's not that hard.

And when all Rangers suddenly aim for a certain party member, Spirit Bond. But that's semi-hard. --› Srs Beans R Srs 05:41, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

You're terrible. You beat rspike by shouting at your infuser untill they ragequit and not even attempting to prot. --Tab Moo 05:42, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

My guild beats r-spike because in our BYOB our horrible mesmer brings guardian. Brandnew. 05:52, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

obaby --Tab Moo 05:54, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Helme plz

How do i make it display login/bindings at the top? Its retarded i know.-- 20:59, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Dunno, it's always been there for me. just fuck about with settings for a bit. --Tab Moo 05:24, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

ups

I έτρωγαν μόνο μερικά τηγανητό κοτόπουλο. Οι αστοί είχαν χυμώδη, και το buns ήταν μαλακό και ζεστό. Στη συνέχεια, ο διαχωρισμός διαχειριστή της KFC ανήλθαν σε τραπέζι μου και με ρώτησε πώς ήταν το γεύμα. Είπα ότι ήταν ικανοποιημένος, αλλά το γεύμα έλειπε ένα ορισμένο je ne ΑΟΕ quoi. Ο apologized profusely, και είπε ότι είχε κάτι να μου δείξει ότι θα ήταν να το κάνουν. Θα ήθελα να τον οδηγήσει πίσω της KFC, σε ένα δωμάτιο εμποτισμένο από όροφο σε ανώτατο όριο στο αίμα. Στο κέντρο της ήταν μια ζωντανή άλογο, συνδεδεμένη με τα τέσσερα μπούτια για να υποστηρίζει τις διαρθρωτικές της αποθήκης, όπως η αίθουσα. Όπως εγώ παρακολουθούσα, οι εργαζόμενοι των KFC κοπεί μεγάλο μέρος από το άλογο, το οποίο ήταν whining και screaming στη φρίκη. Τα KFC εργαζόμενοι έλαβαν το άλογο κομμάτια σάρκας και φέτες τους σε κομμάτια, τότε γύρω από τις ρίζες τους μέσα από τις τσάντες της trash διάσπαρτος σε όλο το χώρο για να βρουν τα οστά κοτόπουλου, απορρίπτονται. Γρήγορα tenderized το κρέας με sledge σφυριά και τρέφονται σε ένα μηχάνημα το οποίο σχηματίστηκε το κρέας ίππου γύρω από τα οστά, τότε breaded βαθιά και τηγανητό. Ζήτησα από τη διαίρεση του διαχειριστή γιατί είχε με οδήγησε πίσω στον τόπο αυτό, και τόνισε το steed της κιλότο, το asshole puckering rhythmically με τρόμο. "Είμαστε μόνο με την χρήση του εν λόγω τμήματος, θα θέλατε ένα ρήγμα σε αυτό πρώτα;" I γρήγορα unzipped παντελόνι μου και δεν σπαταλήθηκε χρόνος παρεμβολής μου όρθιος στο πέος stallion της defenseless asshole. Ήρθα ακριβώς όπως το άλογο πέθανε. Ενθουσιάστηκα. KFC σίγουρα πήγε η πρόσθετη προσπάθεια για να μου μια ικανοποιημένος πελάτης --Tab Moo 07:13, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

It amuses me on so many levels that there is no Greek equivalent of "defenseless asshole". - 07:17, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 07:18, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

you'd think that there would be, granted the sort of thing they drew on their urns ...--reason.decrystallized In real life, pokemons would be used as sex toys. 07:22, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Hmm. That's the second time that's happened today. If I were more motivated I'd do something. But...

"You put the bucket in your lap and eat right over it," Browning continued. "That way you catch and save all the little fried bits and eat them when you're out of chicken." [11] - 07:29, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 07:30, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

granted the context, i think that the word 'chicken' should be in quotes.--reason.decrystallized In real life, pokemons would be used as sex toys. 07:34, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

The world needs more Colosseum blood sports, binge eating, and all day orgies. And by "the world" I mean everything in a 15 foot radius of me. - 07:39, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Are you or are you not including me in that radius --Tab Moo 07:40, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

actually, having been outside recently, i can assure you that the world needs LESS binge eating.--reason.decrystallized In real life, pokemons would be used as sex toys. 07:41, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

I think you're confused about the definition of "binge eating" in a Roman/Greek context. - 07:42, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

well, in the context of an orgy i suppose it would be all right ... as long as it was a classy orgy.--reason.decrystallized In real life, pokemons would be used as sex toys. 07:48, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

not like a trailer park orgy where everyone's related and they only have ho-ho's and ding-dong's because the organizers thought it would be "purdy funny" when they were shopping for supplies at wal-mart.--reason.decrystallized In real life, pokemons would be used as sex toys. 07:50, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

ups --Tab Moo 08:01, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Roman binge eating: Eat the most decadent food available until you are actually sick. Clean yourself up and repeat.

Roman orgy: X men with 2*X+3 Women. In the case of Greek, replace the women with boys. In the case of Panic, replace the men with more women.

Colosseum blood sports: First, animals vs. animals. Then animals vs men. Then men vs men. Finally, men vs. animals vs. robots with whirling blades. - 08:11, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Then emus vs emus, then emus vs ostriches, then emus vs euros --Tab Moo 08:12, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

tbh I couldn't think of better animals to use than emus and ostriches covered in serated armor plates. - 08:15, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

one of my lifes ambitions is to trap and tame an emu then ride about on it. I feel that is the best solution to global warming. --Tab Moo 08:17, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

I see only benefits from breeding emus with bodies the size of a Volkswagon Rabbit and riding them around. When will the world's scientists stop blindlessly relying on fossil fuels? - 08:26, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

fucking misery should stop trolling pvx and make me a big emu --Tab Moo 08:31, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

And you'll need one of those leather skull caps with flight goggles on them. - 08:38, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

^. And some emu driving gloves + a scarf --Tab Moo 08:41, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

obaby

[12] --Tab Moo 08:21, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Wow apparently I'm a Meowth. Fuck that.--Blackened 08:37, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Meowth is the greedy jew of pokemon. - 08:39, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

I got Pikachu :> --Tab Moo 08:40, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Not only that, it's a cat. I hate cats.--Blackened 08:43, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Even longcats? Even this cat? --Tab Moo 08:44, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Tacgnol > Longcat, and cats mothering rabbits is just reediculuss.--Blackened 08:46, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

That rabbit is me in my youth. --Tab Moo 08:47, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

You were raised by a cat?--Blackened 08:47, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Untill the age of three, yes. Then I was raised by an emu untill I was 16. --Tab Moo 08:49, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Ima puplip lulz. xD – ★ Sazzy ★ 08:49, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

can you bubblebeam irl? --Tab Moo 08:49, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Bubblebeam? – ★ Sazzy ★ 08:51, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Lucky. All I can do is pick up change off the street. DAMN YOU MEOWTH!--Blackened 08:52, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wow, so youre like some emo piplup person? That's pretty cool tbh --Tab Moo 08:52, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm glad to announce the next logical step forward is Saz breeding. - 08:57, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

With an emu? --Tab Moo 08:58, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Seeing as I already have a supply for the Colosseum I see no reason why not. - 09:00, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

(Reset indent) They said I was brave and had a sense of justice. They said I was a pikachu. Also, my aura was uplifting pink. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 09:40, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

my aura is fiery red, you seem to be...the hardy type! and you're so determined! you dont whine or feel sorry for yourself. you never need help with anything. you also have a strong sense of responsibility so, im a Torchic --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 10:41, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Hardy, determined Torchic with an energetic yellow aura. WTB MUDKIP. Misfate 10:54, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

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—ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 10:50, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Fiesty Shinx is fiesty. Misfate 10:52, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

obaby--Tab Moo 12:04, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Removed Votes

Can I ask why you removed two votes here Build:N/any Vampiric Spirit Spammer Disgruntled Celery 14:37, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

The reasons you stated were "Uh..." and "Reason" Disgruntled Celery 14:38, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

The first gives no reason for it's score. The second states that they based their vote on a different build. --Tab Moo 14:40, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Aah I see. Thank you for explaning. Disgruntled Celery 14:43, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

—ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 14:47, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

moo mcpiplup --Tab Moo 14:49, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

anymore the eviscerate executioners spike dont work that much but its fairly effective. very weak against any type of anti melee and shock is a costly interrupt skill

wtf? --Tab Moo 15:21, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 15:22, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf?--GoldenStar 15:26, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --71.229 15:26, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf?--GoldenStar 15:34, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 15:42, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --71.229 15:43, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --Tab Moo 15:44, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 16:32, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --Crow is PhatNThat 18:12, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --Frosty No U! 18:16, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf?--reason.decrystallized In real life, pokemons would be used as sex toys. 18:17, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --Misfate 18:40, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 20:49, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? -- File:Rawr Piplup.jpg The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 20:50, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? Brandnew. 20:50, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf?--reason.decrystallized In real life, pokemons would be used as sex toys. 22:22, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf?-- 22:47, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --71.229 22:48, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? ¬ Klumpeet 07:21{GMT}13-08-MMVIII

wtf? --Tab Moo 06:28, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --Crow is PhatNThat 08:28, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? Ojamo Tell Me I Fail 12:32, 13 August 2008 (EDT) I made a bind of that header in vent

wtf? —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɭuƿƿɭɘş ɱᶗƿıƿɭuƿ 12:54, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? Misfate 15:49, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? —SkaKid 15:49, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --Tab Moo 16:30, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --*Wah Wah Wah!* 16:30, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? -- File:Rawr Piplup.jpg The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 16:36, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? Godbox 17:28, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --› Srs Beans R Srs 17:29, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --Tab Moo 17:31, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --Misfate 18:08, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? -- File:Rawr Piplup.jpg The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 18:09, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --*Wah Wah Wah!* 18:23, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 18:52, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? Ojamo Tell Me I Fail 20:11, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf?--File:Angeluspip.jpgAngelus(mcpiplup) 20:53, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --Tab Moo 04:37, 14 August 2008 (EDT

wtf? --› Srs Beans R Srs 06:37, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --

Psychiatric Consultant 15:58, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf?--Froggerton 17:05, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --File:Angeluspip.jpgAngelus(mcpiplup) 17:06, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --Tab Moo 17:06, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? Brandnew. 17:07, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --File:Angeluspip.jpgAngelus(mcpiplup) 17:08, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? -- File:Rawr Piplup.jpg The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 17:12, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? Brandnew. 17:14, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --Tab Moo 17:15, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --File:Angeluspip.jpgAngelus(mcpiplup) 17:17, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf?--Froggerton 17:37, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --71.229 17:41, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf?--reason.decrystallized Shock is a costly interrupt. 17:43, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --Tab Moo 17:52, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf?File:Dark0805 Piplup.jpg--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 22:00, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? -- File:Rawr Piplup.jpg The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 22:05, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wtf? --Tab Moo 06:52, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

ATTN

-- File:Rawr Piplup.jpg The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 18:44, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

<3 --Tab Moo 18:44, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Rawr, get Piplup in your sig, be manly --File:Angeluspip.jpgAngelus(mcpiplup) 19:32, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

...I already have piplup in my sig -- File:Rawr Piplup.jpg The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 19:33, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Woops. Didnt know that was your your real sig. Nice and shiny!--File:Angeluspip.jpgAngelus(mcpiplup) 20:26, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Time to start this? -- File:Rawr Piplup.jpg The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 20:30, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Your club is win tbh --File:Angeluspip.jpgAngelus(mcpiplup) 00:16, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Your new userpage

It is a well-balanced mix of poke-cuteness, defeat of tinydick mcasians, strong and brave builds, and top notch Fish quotes. —SkaKid 00:52, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

c/po --Tab Moo 05:54, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

And it doesn't even fit on my computer screen. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 08:29, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

more resolution imo --Tab Moo 08:29, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

What are you running GoD? --File:Angeluspip.jpgAngelus(mcpiplup) 10:59, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

<3 pichu. Slappin his ass obaby.--X14 11:10, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Turn you on much Cross? --File:Angeluspip.jpgAngelus(mcpiplup) 11:16, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Ty

For the userpage, many loves from my Diglet minions. Just wondering, could you make the Diglet pic in my sig go to my talkpage, cause I not know how to do so. Ty again oh Sexy McTabkip Frosty 15:46, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 15:48, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

As promised

—SkaKid 15:58, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

c/po --Tab Moo 15:59, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Piplup doesnt need a lvl, hes the best off all! Smurf Minions 07:46, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Current guild is epic

Death Infernal Evil [DIE] - Rank 3,915 - Rating 921 --Misfate 18:11, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Holy shit you're worse than PvX guild, and we're a bunch of retards with axes. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 18:14, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Come back to PP :( —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɭuƿƿɭɘş ɱᶗƿıƿɭuƿ 18:15, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Grinch, I demand that you ally with Tab Smash [ZFQ]--Tab Moo 04:23, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

I can't, I'm in [STEP] alliance and they're actually not bad. In fact, I would go so far as to call them good (g16+). There's even a guild called Disciples Of The Fish [fISh]! —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɭuƿƿɭɘş ɱᶗƿıƿɭuƿ 07:45, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

You sadden me greatly. Today is a dark day in the history of Piplups. --Tab Moo 07:47, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

i was in some guild with shadow once its rating was like around 850 --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 07:51, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

hydra give me money --Tab Moo 07:51, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

i dont have that much :( only 100k, some greens, gemstones, some rare materials such as diamonds/sapphires etc, ±10 15^50 inscrip etc --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 07:58, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

I'll take the 100k. --Tab Moo 07:59, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

oh sure you can have that, but only if i get 100k from u too kk? --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 08:01, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

I have about 4k. Deal? --Tab Moo 08:02, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

sounds fair enough --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 08:04, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

gible --Tab Moo 08:05, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

guys i need ecto

^ --Tab Moo 08:05, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

PM. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 08:47, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

and come buff the shit out of an erf shaakur in ab with me and grinch

^ --Tab Moo 08:09, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Ostrich and Emu

File:Panic ostrichemu.png - 08:30, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 08:31, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

euro power

Any kind of adren-spike when performed by Euro's is 'eurospike'. When performed by Americans it is 'balanced'. Godbox 10:14, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Where'd you hear that from? Cos, y'know, it's wrong. But that might be the point, depending on who said it. -Auron 10:16, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Someone on QQ said that iirc...Tommy maybe? --Tab Moo 11:21, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

JR (maybe something after). Godbox 11:28, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

lolJR --Tab Moo 11:33, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Kristin Shepard tbh. - 11:35, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Mass Effect tbh. Mine was named Yoshi... Godbox 11:35, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

While lolJR is true, that quote owns.File:Dark0805 Piplup.jpg--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 22:00, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

This is the real euro power.

August 14, 2008

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Piplup. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 12:47, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

moobuddy --Tab Moo 12:48, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Tab McMoo is Evolving

Its become TROLL McPIPLUPFile:Dark0805 Piplup.jpg--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 22:01, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Beedoodeedoo. Bum ^bum bum ^bum bum ^bum bum ^bum bum ^bum bum ^bum. --71.229 22:09, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

• Holds B*. Misfate 23:51, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Tab McMoo did not evolve. --71.229 00:26, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

I remember doing that to a Bulbasaur once. I almost cried until I realized it could still evolve later. --File:Angeluspip.jpgAngelus(mcpiplup) 00:49, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

ups --Tab Moo 06:03, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

π(x) ~ x/log(x)

I was lying on the grass on Sunday morning of last week indulging in my self defeats. My mind was thugged, all laced and bugged, all twisted round and beat uncomfortable three feet deep. Now the fuzzy stare from not being there on a confusing morning week impaired my tribal lunar-speak. And, of course, you can't become if you only say what you would have done. So I missed a million miles of fun. - 07:36, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

The Riemann hypothesis would definately be a fun way to pass a Sunday morning. --Tab Moo 08:22, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Zzz Riemann - 08:32, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 08:33, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

HEY TAB GUEST WITH SKAKID SO WE CAN RUIN THE RATINGS OF MORE PVE GUILDS

c. wtb powerful mctab kittenripper.Snow Bunny 12:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

already have tbh --Tab Moo 12:20, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

This is how to make good builds. Not that shit fake [rawr] makes.

--Tab Moo 12:20, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Flaggers are for pussies am i rite? Frosty 12:23, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

who the fuck flags when you can just two shot their entire team --Tab Moo 12:24, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

(EC)Me drawbot kk? ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   12:26, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Fine, you're getting kicked if I'm ever blind, crippled, dazed or weakened for more than 1/2 a second though. --Tab Moo 12:29, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Drawbot has smite condi? <_< -- File:Rawr Piplup.jpg The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 12:31, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Fail --File:Angeluspip.jpgAngelus(mcpiplup) 12:32, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Dazed? QQ. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   12:33, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

stfu i dont like the dazed animation. Yes the drawbot has fucking smite condition i might get dazed in draw recharge --Tab Moo 12:35, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

First

Piplup will be proud Frosty 16:23, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

^ as proud as a diglett upon learning to use dig --Tab Moo 16:24, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

last

now u can archive again --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 16:25, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

ok --Tab Moo 16:25, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

/wave Godbox 16:30, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

--Tab Moo 16:30, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

^ lolgvg? Godbox 16:37, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 16:41, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

v Godbox 16:43, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 16:43, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

q Godbox 16:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 16:48, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

pFile:Dark0805 Piplup.jpg--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 18:21, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Misfate 16:52, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 17:35, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave - 18:16, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 18:56, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 11:33, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave--The Gates Assassin 22:00, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave - 22:19, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Misfate 16:09, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 06:11, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Alliance

I know you wonna invite us to it <3. --Crow is PhatNThat 18:40, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Not really. --Tab Moo 06:25, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

But rawr said you should invite us :(. --Crow is PhatNThat 18:21, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

give me ecto and i will --Tab Moo 18:30, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Log in when our leader logs on and I will and then you can invite us. --Crow is PhatNThat 18:32, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

btw im kicking you if you annoy me even slightly --Tab Moo 18:33, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

B-b-b-but why? --Crow is PhatNThat 18:37, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Alex said you are a fggt. --Crow is PhatNThat 19:27, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

your words cut me deep. --Tab Moo 05:41, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

WELL

I have Bull's Strike, Sprint acts as a cancel for flail, You're not going to res your dead pet in RA often, You can swap Res sig for Charm Animal in AB. BaineTheBotter 08:36, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Bstrike alone isn't enough. Sprint recharges too slowly to let you use Flail. You're going to have to res your dead pet when it's integral to the builds functioning. --Tab Moo 08:37, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

WELL tag is for inferior builds, delete tag is for failed concepts, I changed to the latter, I hope that doesn't piss you off.--R e l y k 05:49, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Does the same thing, will probably get reverted to WELL if anything though. WELL is suggesting that a build should be deleted because its shit/a dupe etc, whereas delete tags are more of a "delete this now" thing. --Tab Moo 05:50, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

A build is clearly inferior to another build if it performs less adequately under all circumstances than a comparable build. This means that the inferior build would always be worse than the other build in ways such as (but not limited to) energy management, survivability, micromanagement, vulnerabilities, and adaptability to unforeseen circumstances. These are only a few things taken into account; this policy will not try to define all the properties that make a build work better than another. The responsibility to make the decision of whether one build is superior or inferior to another will eventually fall upon the shoulders of the admin who decides whether or not to delete it. This admin will, of course, take into account the votes of the testers and look at the builds in question. --Tab Moo 05:52, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

ups

pvx got pzed out --Tab Moo 16:59, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

inorite?--reason.decrystallized Shock is a costly interrupt. 17:04, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

ohaidere. Godbox 06:43, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

^ mudkip? --Tab Moo 06:44, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

^mudkip? Misfate 16:08, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

^ mudkip? --Tab Moo 06:11, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

^ mudkip? Godbox 06:13, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

^ mudkip? Blacksmurf McHippopotas 12:46, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Dear Tab

File:Torchic.png - ᅳʍęɢgąʈɧıçĸ ʍąŋʂţǐçᶄ 12:43, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Dear Rhys,

I offer you my thanks for this Cute McTorchic.

With love,

--Tab Moo 12:44, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Dear Tabbydiddles, might i gratefully thank you for your gratefulness on the recieving of afformentioned Cute McTorchic, but might i also ask who the rhys person in question is ;o - ᅳʍęɢgąʈɧıçĸ ʍąŋʂţǐçᶄ 12:47, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

<3. You must teach me the method of making that lip noise, person whos name I don't know. While I can do it sufficiently well to make Alex Alt+F4 gw, I cannot begin to approach your level of expertise. --Tab Moo 12:48, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

next time on vent, i will teach you the secrets - ᅳʍęɢgąʈɧıçĸ ʍąŋʂţǐçᶄ 12:52, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 12:52, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

lost it

if you can't tell i've gone insane. TAB SMASHHHHHHHHHHHHSnow Bunny 13:00, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

ddd. Have you gone insane as a result of Hayne's vicious beating upon discovering your meanness? --Tab Moo 13:04, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

No it's my last week of work, I'm jacked up on 3 cups of coffee, and I realized that people are OK-ing some terrible fucking builds here. SNOW SMASHHHHHHHSnow Bunny 13:08, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

d --Tab Moo 13:09, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Stop this rebellion young padawanSnow Bunny 13:10, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

d --Tab Moo 13:10, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

DDDDDD? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ISnowBunnyI (contribs) .

c --Tab Moo 13:13, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

TAB! Don't make me Snow smash your mum.Snow Bunny 13:14, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

d --Tab Moo 13:15, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Ok I will stop being mean to hayneachu. c???????Snow Bunny 13:16, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

c --Tab Moo 13:18, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Tab this conversation is no longer mighty. Entertain me or I will be mean again.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by ISnowBunnyI (contribs) .

c --Tab Moo 13:20, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Also, make my user page better. Snow Bunny 13:20, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

I have --Tab Moo 13:21, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Revert war bores me. MORE ENTERTAINMENT!!!! Snow Bunny 13:25, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

k, made you a proper page, fill in shit how you want. Just ctrl+f for ccc + mean list and replace it with stuff. --Tab Moo 13:28, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

How come you are pleasant to PvX people and you get into page-revert wars with me? I am your most loyal Snowachu; we have defeated hordes of Euros and shittalked even the mightiest of PvPers.Snow Bunny 13:30, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Actually, I make something like 5 productive edits a week. You never PvE with me anymore :< --Tab Moo 13:31, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Most constructive edits was the postman hat conversation tbh. -- File:Rawr Piplup.jpg The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 13:32, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Yay for Crow McHumberbridge Mctomismint123. Discuss. --File:Crow Totodile.gifCrow McHumberbridge 13:33, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

STOP MAKING ME GET INTO EDIT CONFLICTSSnow Bunny 13:34, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Also, we can PvE tonight?Snow Bunny 13:35, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

HELLO! --File:Crow Totodile.gifCrow McHumberbridge 13:36, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

d, you finish work at like 2am my time :< I eat now, we will resume this debate upon my return. Await me on gmail tbh. --Tab Moo 13:36, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

gmail might be out of the question.Snow Bunny 14:47, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

ddd --Tab Moo 16:02, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Tab, the bravest of all frenziers.

^discuss Effin McPiplup 15:28, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

12 minutes of permafrenzy. I had to give him a zkey :(--Blackened

lol?----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 15:34, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

^ mudkip? Godbox 15:39, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

im so good --Tab Moo 15:53, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

that actually happened? /respect. :p----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 15:56, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

he had 60% DP after like 5 minutes. Godbox 15:57, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

He bet me a zkey I wouldn't, so I did. I even reapplied it while I was being spiked (happened alot tbh). The next match there was no such bet, but I still achieved about 70% uptime. I died about 15-20 times in that match. Overextending in frenzy at 60DP vs triple frontline and a sig mes, all of them linebacking me is good. Actually, I didn't die once in the permafrenzy match. --Tab Moo

Crow the Euroest of all linebackers

^Discuss. --File:Crow Totodile.gifCrow McHumberbridge 16:11, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Actually, the second strongest linebacker. Fish has a daughter with Polly called Bjornette who can solo lineback petsmite so well that they do 0DPS. --Tab Moo 16:13, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

:O, but Fishy died 1v1, him against a footman and he was Shock Axe xD. --File:Crow Totodile.gifCrow McHumberbridge 16:14, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Fish alone is weak. Polly alone is weak. Together, they are Captain Euro! --Tab Moo 16:15, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

xD. --File:Crow Totodile.gifCrow McHumberbridge 16:16, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

RE: Tea Party

I would glady like to attend your tea party :D. --File:Crow Totodile.gifCrow McHumberbridge 16:13, 18 August 2008 (EDT) PS: I LOVE YOU TABBY MCPOO

<3 --Tab Moo 16:13, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

First -- File:Rawr Piplup.jpg The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 16:42, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Seacunt. --› Srs Beans R Srs 16:43, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

I fucking hate you, third. --File:Crow Totodile.gifCrow McHumberbridge 16:44, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

you dont, come cyber with me baby --Tab Moo 16:44, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

I don't hate you Tab bbz <3, I just got edit conflicted for 2nd place :(. --File:Crow Totodile.gifCrow McHumberbridge 16:52, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

<3 --Tab Moo 16:52, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Come guest as Me/E snare? --File:Crow Totodile.gifCrow McHumberbridge 16:53, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

sounds pretty boring. c/d --Tab Moo 16:53, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

What's c/d? And pwease come Tabby Moo bbz. --File:Crow Totodile.gifCrow McHumberbridge 16:54, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

moo --Tab Moo 16:55, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

c/po —SkaKid 21:27, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

GOOD NIGHT

Sexy McTab. Don't let the bed bugs bite! --File:Crow Totodile.gifCrow McHumberbridge 18:21, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Good night, sweet prince. Misfate 00:42, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

^ mudkip? --Tab Moo 07:17, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

^mudkip? Misfate 21:17, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Back to the WELL

Why aren't all the crappy builds on wiki tagged for WELL?--R e l y k 04:21, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Because there's more bad builds than the amount of times I'm prepared to paste something in. Most exceedingly shit builds get trashed in about a hour anyway, but there's some fairly shit builds that stick around for weeks. --Tab Moo 06:04, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

ups

Time to take [rawr]'s buffing of me and Skakid while hiding in a defenseball to the next level.

--Tab Moo 07:59, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Most amazing thing is it's probably better than what they're running now considering how they play. --Tab Moo 08:05, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

meh. OoS+Barbs+Splinter+Arage=ftw overboosted frontliners. Godbox 08:47, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

I run that in PvE <3. Wish it was viable in GvG, Xandra is a fucking beast with it. Even better than Tahlkora and Livia combined. --Tab Moo 08:48, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Po

D

Po

D

Po

D

Po --File:Crow Totodile.gifCrow McHumberbridge 12:16, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

po --Tab Moo 12:19, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

iPod ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 12:20, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Pain of Disenchantment. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   12:21, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

po --Tab Moo 12:22, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

d ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   12:23, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

TabbyPo ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 12:24, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

TAM is only 12 rating from top1000

cccccccccccccccccSnow Bunny 13:01, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

A phenomenal achievement. I bow down to your PvP prowess. --Tab Moo 13:02, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

We are +27 for last night. Going for top1k tonight or tomorrow.Snow Bunny 13:06, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

I will be absolutely stunned if you pull off such a feat. --Tab Moo 13:07, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

We faced some r600 guild. They get some quick kill rainbow spike off on Tyla. We rezz up, spike down their mes, pressure-kill their water mes. Mourne and Arkantos proceed to individually solo the RC and WoH respectively. They retreat, our RC DC's, we catapult their base and proceed to DP them out. I have some first-class screenies of the shit-talking that went down.Snow Bunny 13:10, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

[rawr] wishes to scrim [TAM] —SkaKid 13:11, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

You defeated a r600 guild? Too good Snow, too good. --Tab Moo 13:12, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

sKAKID knows I can solo [rawr] as a monk. true storySnow Bunny 13:13, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

No you couldn't. I believe I flawlessed you 2 times out of 2 when we did 4v4 with heroes. --Tab Moo 13:14, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

I was on warrior then.Snow Bunny 13:15, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

still got flawlessed ;o --Tab Moo 13:15, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Even worse D: ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 13:16, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Skakid....help meeeeeeeeeeSnow Bunny 13:17, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Tab, gmail.Snow Bunny 13:21, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

c --Tab Moo 13:23, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

PvE

It has been decided that on the 20th of August, at around 11pm, we are to complete the Fissure of Woe, I shall be playing the perma-frenzy D Slash Warrior, maybe you should too. Discuss. Lots of Love, --File:Crow Totodile.gifCrow McHumberbridge 21:38, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

GoR summon Warder time. Buffed summons ftw. Misfate 21:46, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

I wish i wasnt bad at pve could be assed to grind norn rank. Ojamo Tell Me I Fail 22:46, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Fuck that I'd rather go to bed. --Tab Moo 05:45, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Skakid Mcawake. —SkaKid 05:46, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

FoW is only cool when you clear it with an IV spike tbh. Brandnew. 05:47, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Skakid Mcletspve --Tab Moo 05:49, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Can I be part of the club now? :3 ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:07, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Salamence tbh. I may be able to come. Godbox 07:08, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes. Yes you can. --Tab Moo 07:09, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Oboy oboy oboy <3 ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:10, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Wooper should be on your user page. I mean, look at it, it hasn't even got arms, how cute is that? ;3 ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:16, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

wooper woop --Tab Moo 07:17, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

I remember how he was my first water pokémon in Gold....oh how much fun me and Wooper had :) ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:18, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Same <3 (cyndaquil ftw). I nicknamed mine Rupert. It was pretty hawt. --Tab Moo 07:19, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Oh man, that name fits him perfectly ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:20, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Rupert the Wooper. --Tab Moo 07:21, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Kind of a shame that he only really gets any good when he turns into Quagsire ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:23, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Not as cute then though. --Tab Moo 07:24, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

^. Wooper actually learns Earthquake by itself...can you imagine? :o ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:24, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Powerful but cute....... --Tab Moo 07:27, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Cute but powerful...... ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:29, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

No arms but can swim........ --Tab Moo 07:34, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Powerful tail. No arms but can cause an earthquake.... ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:40, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Can cause an earthquake but no arms..... --Tab Moo 07:44, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Makemeawoopersigmakemeawoopersigmakemeawoopersigɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 14:40, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

ok --Tab Moo 14:40, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

True PvE

Tab, I have deigned to PvE with you. I do request however that we go on vent so we can shittalk without typing. It will be a good way to mend our broken friendship. Maybe I will even confess to hayneachu c/d Snow Bunny 19:35, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

c --Tab Moo 04:35, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

<3

and this better be on your fuckin userpage.. or i'll eat ur babiez. Effin McPiplup 23:00, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Mcsnorlax. /wave Misfate 23:17, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Thats some serious mcStrength at gold drawing... made a gold piplup for tab 2. edit: its on my userpageEffin McPiplup 23:26, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

I liek gold mcsnorlax better. Misfate 23:27, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Fat Mcsnorlax was expensive lol.Effin McPiplup 23:29, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 04:35, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Misfate 13:27, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

lol

smiters boon got raped in the ass with a pitchfork --Tab Moo 13:10, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

wow overnerfed --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 13:12, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

"Smiter's Boon: Lose all energy. For 90 seconds, you have 7 skills." –Ichigo724 13:13, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

^lol. win --› Srs Beans R Srs 13:14, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Glimmering mark is OP now. Misfate 13:27, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

we're talking bout smiters boon here, not glimmering mark ;o --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 13:29, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm using Summon Mursaat! Misfate 13:30, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

ice imp is cuter --Tab Moo 13:31, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm using Simple Thievery! thanks :D --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 13:32, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Naga is the cutest. Misfate 13:33, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Djinn is fluffy --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 13:35, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Before I could even get my guild to run Wounding Strike smiteshit. :< --71.229 13:47, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

its ok i just made a build with more defense than that --Tab Moo 13:47, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Niggerdicks. --71.229 13:51, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Triple WoW, 4 party heals, 2 dedicated linebackers. What more can you ask for in life? --Tab Moo 13:56, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

A pair of testicles? :O --71.229 13:57, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

A carefully positioned bottle of tipex can more than make up for that. --Tab Moo 13:59, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

font color="aqua"> piplup —SkaKid 14:56, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

i like men --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 14:49, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

iz gud at sayin furst. Effin McPiplup 14:58, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Now you can make line breaks with the power of My Face! --*Wah Wah Wah!* 14:59, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab Moo 15:00, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

my power supply and video card comes today. Misfate 15:09, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

lets celebrate by pveing with GoR imp spike --Tab Moo 15:10, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

3-2-1 ice spike. Misfate 15:11, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 15:12, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Misfate 15:13, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

This doesn't portray the level of accuracy that I like to see in my Snorlaxes.

/waveEffin McPiplup 15:24, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave

This is a more accurate Snorlax.

--Tab Moo 15:25, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Effin McPiplup 15:27, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Snorlax costume at a fancy dress party.

/waveEffin McPiplup 15:29, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Misfate 15:33, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 15:33, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave —SkaKid 15:37, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 15:49, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Misfate 15:57, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/waveEffin McPiplup 15:59, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 15:59, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave ----Frosty 16:00, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --File:Crow Totodile.gifCrow McHumberbridge 17:44, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 17:44, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Misfate 17:46, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 17:51, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --File:Crow Totodile.gifCrow McHumberbridge 17:52, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave--The Gates Assassin 17:53, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Ojamo Tell Me I Fail 17:59, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 18:01, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/waveEffin McPiplup 18:19, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Misfate /wave 20:15, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave--The Gates Assassin 21:59, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 05:50, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Frosty 05:51, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 06:43, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave ¬ Klumpeet 10:49{GMT}22-08-MMVIII

/wave ¬ Klumpeet 10:50{GMT}22-08-MMVIII

/wave --Tab Moo 06:53, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave ¬ Klumpeet 10:55{GMT}22-08-MMVIII

/wave --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 07:00, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 07:02, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --› Srs Beans R Srs 09:53, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Blacksmurf McHippopotas 10:15, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 10:16, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Blacksmurf McHippopotas 10:28, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/waveEffin McPiplup 12:20, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 12:26, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Misfate /wave 12:45, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave ¬ Klumpeet 16:46{GMT}22-08-MMVIII

/wave --Tab Moo 12:56, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Godbox 13:13, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave ¬ Klumpeet 17:13{GMT}22-08-MMVIII

/wave --Tab Moo 13:15, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --› Srs Beans R Srs 13:19, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Dragnmn talk cont 16:01, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 17:31, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave - Misery Is Grumpy 17:36, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Frosty 17:37, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 17:38, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Misfate /wave 17:48, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --71.229 17:53, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 17:57, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Misfate /wave 18:52, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Effin McPiplup 19:31, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Misfate /wave 19:49, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave File:Dark0805 Piplup.jpg--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 01:26, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 03:51, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Blacksmurf McHippopotas 05:52, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave --Tab Moo 06:33, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Ohaidere

Miss meh? :O--GoldenStar 20:23, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 20:27, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wave Ojamo Tell Me I Fail 21:11, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

HEY WUTS THIS? --InfestedHydralisk (Talk*Contributions) 21:14, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

lolwut no /wave. QQEffin McPiplup 21:40, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

hey sexy <3 --Tab Moo 03:51, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

In re Community Portal

Do you know who this is? ツ terribad mcfail (contributions☆buildpage) 22:22, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Epic mcphail?--GoldenStar 22:53, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

ya. ツ cedave (contributions☆buildpage) 01:35, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

mouseover is good --Tab Moo 03:58, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

skakid mcawakeagain —SkaKid 03:59, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

po, lets ha/gvg/pve --Tab Moo 04:00, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

done HA, been doing for the past 5 hours =X —SkaKid 04:02, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

5*2 = 10 --Tab Moo 04:03, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

TABBY

Moo. --File:Crow Totodile.gifCrow McHumberbridge 07:45, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

tab lost about 100kb of talk pages

i believe a /wave chain is in order. --Tab Moo 16:05, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

That's great - that's 100kb of backups we don't need to worry about, plus the value of the size of the rest of the page multiplied by the number of edits lost, plus the size of each individual edit lost excluding the last one. We probably just saved a few dozen megabytes there... -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 16:21, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

I worked hard on those chains :< --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 16:26, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Need to finish HB portal + redo my fixes for the HA portal. Putting it here because I'm about as good at remembering things as Luke is at gw. --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 17:33, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Nawww your better than that. --Frosty 17:35, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

How fucking dare anyone out there make fun of Luke after all he has been through! He lost his aunt, he went through a divorce. He had two fuckin kids. His husband turned out to be a user, a cheater, and now he's going through a custody battle. All you people care about is….. readers and making money off of him. HE’S A HUMAN! LEAVE LUKE JOHNSON ALONE!!!! - 17:37, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Coulda sworn he lived with his auntie and his uncle. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 17:38, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Rofl. This is strong. Big (<3) PEW!! 17:39, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

(EC)He does. She just wandered off in the Supermarket. Hopefully they'll find her soon. - 17:39, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

ups Big (<3) PEW!! 17:41, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

*put up make-up* LEAVE LUKE JOHNSON AND PANIC ALONE!!!! /cry /cry --InfestedHydralisk(Talk*Contributions) 17:46, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

File:Panic zomg emo.jpg - 17:48, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

He scares me :S Big (<3) PEW!! 17:49, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

BOY AINT I MANLY --InfestedHydralisk(Talk*Contributions) 17:50, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

That woman in the front row has a classic expression on her face when he walks on stage. - 17:53, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

XD

cumstain

Mah pages got deleted. I've chosen to blame you.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 19:41, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

I strongly believe that we can sort out this minor conflict between us over a nice, long PvE session sometime this next week. --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 10:22, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Farm cores with me, Tab. And then we'll have curry and snuggles. - 10:45, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

slegguns dna yrruc evah ll'ew neht dnA .baT ,em htiw seroc mraF --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 10:48, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

.yppirT - Misery Is Friendly 10:50, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

.egap klat gnikcuf eht ekorb uoY ?baT ,ftw - 10:54, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Wow lol Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 07:14, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

.ot naem ton did I ,cinaP yrros ma I --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 10:56, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

.thginot elpoep rehto dna dnomrA htiw kceD delaeS gniod ylbaborp er'ew ,oslA ?ton ro em htiw seroc mraf annaw uoy oS .ko s'tI - 10:57, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

.rehtob ton thgim I tub ,em dlot ydaerla eh ,wonk I --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 10:59, 12 September 2008 (EDT) lets type normally now, this is too hard

Ups. I wrote a three-line code in VBA for it. - 11:02, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Being inactive owns so hard. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 11:00, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

lets ab moobuddy --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 11:02, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

So I herd there are only three active BMs now and DE/Pluto aren't very active and Zuranthium is crazy. - Misery Is Friendly 11:05, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

AJELDNAC ?eman ym raeh I diD -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 11:29, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

All the backwards text, i thought i was high. PvE r gud. I may be on tonight but i have social grind out the ass to attend to, so when SY! goes down, dont rage. Actually, who am i kidding, i'll be the run bitch in Slaver's.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 18:18, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Slaver's got nerfed D: --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 18:18, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

For bad runners afaik ;0. Havent been on since sunday, saw the update, though.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 18:20, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

I WILL ASK SEVENTYONEPOINTTWOTWONINE ABOUT THIS --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 18:21, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Ur surprised? As i understand, if u fuck up, you just cant be UA'd and lolrun anymore. Instead you need to restart the whole thing or something.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 18:25, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

They made it so Thommis can't be pulled as far. --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 18:26, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Necrotic Traversal. It can still be done, but HM's actually hard now. :O --71.229 18:27, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Just bring a runner who doesn't fail. ie Me. ツ cedave (contributions☆buildpage) 18:48, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm a strong nuker. IE lazy. Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 15:20, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Dear Tabby Moo

As you and I know, since the DB crash, the sig you made me was deleted, I would be most happy if you could perhaps find some time to create me one again, lots of love --Crow McHumberbridge 17:14, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

I thout grinch made it--X14 17:21, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

ill make you one tomorrow bbz <3 --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 17:52, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Fanks Tabby Moo <3. --Crow McHumberbridge 18:39, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

c/po.

What does 'po' mean. Urban Dictionary doesn't know it :< Brandnew. 17:46, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

c po --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 17:52, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

... Brandnew. 17:52, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

po --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 17:53, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

k. Brandnew. 17:53, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

u r baed Brandnew. - Misery Is Friendly 17:56, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Because I don't know avebberations which are never used outside of internet communities? k. Brandnew. 17:57, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

And if it is I'll just blame it on my lack of proper english. Brandnew. 17:58, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

po is ebonical for a poor person, one lacking in funds to associate itself with things that people with money can do. Like eating. And stuff. Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 18:00, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

So its niggerspeak for niggers? (Not supposed to be racial offensive :<) Brandnew. 18:03, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

tbh, me and ska, and maybe misery are the only people that know what it means ;o --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 18:19, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Maybe :< - Misery Is Friendly 18:21, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

v :< Godbox 18:28, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

K. Brandnew. 18:35, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

I know what it means tbh.--X14 18:35, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

no. Godbox 18:36, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

u--X14 18:37, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

turn allowed at this signal. CABOSE(LVPoW)_{"Hey chicka bum bum!"} 18:46, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh ups, I'm not a typical nigger. Heh. I EARNED MY BEER AND MCDONALDS. I think that's why I keep diarrhea. Discuss. Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 18:55, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

I accidentally <verb> your diarrhea. Discuss. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 19:18, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Inglis iz hart? --› Srs Beans R Srs 06:16, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

For Tab

Ignore the shitters above, and behold strength:

- Misery Is Friendly 19:32, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

You had time to Dshot AND Screencap?! ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 19:49, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

it'd be braver if that was BHA. CABOSE(LVPoW)_{"Hey chicka bum bum!"} 19:55, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

cancel cast. Godbox 19:58, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Presumably. Got rupted a split second before screencap; it's still brightened. --› Srs Beans R Srs 06:14, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

its me qknocking. misery is impressed because he's terrible at it. --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 07:26, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

ups - Misery Is Friendly 08:58, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

tbh

[13] Godbox 10:58, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Wait, so Longcat is actually a penis? --Frosty 17:29, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

I was gonna like, be random and annoy Tab, but I had to click that. I'm in love... Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 22:17, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Guess who!

- 17:49, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Integrate that into a signature that I can actually follow to your talk, asshat. I can't randomly drop in on your page anymore. :< Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 22:18, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

I know who :> --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 08:38, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Reminds me of that Southpark episode where Cartman decides to join the paralympics. Fucking epic. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:36, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

He's retarded.

No.. I mean what's his condition?

Oh. I don't know. Honey... What's your condition?

Errrrr.... I DUNNO! I'M RETARDED!

- 10:40, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Shouldn't his helmet say "MENSA!"? - Misery Is Friendly 10:50, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

But then you can only ever use it to mock 1 person :(. I'll shop a sticker of the MENSA logo on it tonight. - 10:58, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

When we become bored of mocking that one person, I will ragequit this wiki tbh. - Misery Is Friendly 10:59, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

What's MENSA? ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:01, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

lolMENSA - 11:04, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

THE DUTCHESS OF ROSE --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 11:02, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

User:Lukejohnson? ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:06, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

THE DUTCHESS OF ROSE lolMENSA

^ win. Godbox 11:08, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Violates PvXwiki:SIGN tbh ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:21, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

who cares --InfestedHydralisk(Talk*Contributions) 11:25, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Nobody, why? ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:26, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

cuz u said it violates it >_> --InfestedHydralisk(Talk*Contributions) 12:46, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

I didn't see anything. I think you're losin' it, Infested. ツ cedave (contributions☆buildpage) 16:35, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Violates PvXwiki:SIGN tbh nope --InfestedHydralisk(Talk*Contributions) 17:04, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

-- Guild of Deals 17:12, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

ups ups ups ups ups ups ups ups! --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 17:17, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Fuck, added too much white space. 1 sec. -- Guild of Deals 17:18, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Its been longer than that you fucking treacherous jigger.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 18:54, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm sorry master, I've been bad. -- Guild of Deals 19:03, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

I didn't say you could speak.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 19:06, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

[14] Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 19:15, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Hundred Bucks you cant find anything cuter than this

^_^--X14 15:30, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

piplup-pip --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 17:32, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

BURN IN HELL.--X14 17:43, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Tab im such a nigger.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 17:45, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

ups --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 17:45, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

I was going around, and I figured, HEY TAB ISN'T ALL THAT BAD, so for Tabby Moo, here. Now, answer me, wtf is wrong with Luke? And why is a guy calling himself a Dutchess? Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 20:23, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

well that's not very nice, and i think its because 90% of girls ign are actually guys. CABOSE(LVPoW)_{"Hey chicka bum bum!"} 20:30, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

My friend daria is a lamer gamer. She is a Gw addict. And no shes not ugly like dark.--X14 20:32, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

[Torchic is definitely second in the poke-cuteness scale--X14 20:33, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Mudkip? Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 21:12, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

Mr. Tab

As you are the resident expert on Piplups, I wish to request some advice regarding this. Purple blots on bubbles, background y/n, etc.

A larger size can be made available upon demand.

My sincere thanks,

--71.229 02:13, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Yup, im hard now. --Frosty 02:14, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

+7 --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 05:02, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Have you tested that the bubbles are big enough to fit icons inside when the picture is used as a desktop image? - 05:05, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

I have not, but I can provide a de-bubbled version and bubble GIFs to replace icons with. :> --71.229 05:09, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

And yes, provide plx :> --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 05:10, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Bigger wallpaper, or bubble-less+GIFs? Second one'll have to wait until tomorrow. --71.229 05:11, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

I suggest a light sprinkling of bubbles remain on the picture so that the icons blend in. - 05:12, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Bubble-less + GIFs. I await it's arival with great anticipation. --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 05:12, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

^ --71.229 05:36, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

--X14 06:58, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

LOL FURY --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 07:02, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

I cant get it to load on my comp anymore. I tried everyting. Tis a good game though. Sketchy and laggy but not terribad. I like the "charge" concept tbh.--X14 07:09, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

uh...didn't Fury die? --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 07:13, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

yrusobadxfire --71.229 07:15, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

File:;oPiplup.GIF imo Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 07:51, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

+1 --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 07:55, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

po —SkaKid 14:10, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

piplup-pip! —Tab McPiplup ツ 14:19, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Tab's desktop is still better than mine--GoldenStar 15:17, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

A larger widescreen version, bubble 1, bubble 2, bubble 3, bubble 4, and bubble 5, and a bubbles-reduced one for iconing. Working on a 1024x768 one for Big. :> --71.229 18:47, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Aside from having an incredibly adorable backround your desktops are ugly. Go go display settings.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 23:03, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

I haz a sexii desktop tbh. ツ cedave (contributions☆buildpage) 23:15, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

herd I beat Cedave and Shadowsin. --71.229 06:27, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Sig

Please make me one. I lost all hope in grinchy.--X14 14:54, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

10k —Tab McPiplup ツ 14:55, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

As soon as grinch gives mine bak. TBH soon.--X14 14:56, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Sig

Rather than I think perhaps something more manly (ie testicle-shrinkingly queer) is in order. I predict a little pink fox and hearts. Mebbe some bows. - 09:04, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

but... you haven't archived yet... - Misery Is Friendly 09:17, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

I know, Misery. I'm scared, too. Perhaps I will just design the signature now and it will sit in homoerotic glory until my next archive. - 09:24, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

http://www.christiananswers.net/kids/clr-cow.html - 09:49, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Also, . For reference, the tail udder is toward the back of the cow. Gently push and pull the cow's tail; observe the realistic head bobbing action. - 09:53, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Action cow is amazing. - Misery Is Friendly 10:03, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Anything with "realistic head-bobbing action" qualifies for amazing IMO. - 10:05, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

"Gently push the tail" D: ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:27, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Be gentle with Action Cow's tail and he'll reward you with realistic head bobbing. For your reference, the tail can be found near the back of the cow, where you'll also find the udders. - 10:29, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Gently poke the udders for some realistic head bobbing? ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:31, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

No. Press the tail and then pull the tail. Be very gentle and continue to repeat this procedure and Action Cow will bob its head realistically. Use the udders, found towards the rear of Action Cow, as a reference point for locating the tail. -

/wave --Image:Tab Piplup.jpg 10:39, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Moo

Moo. --ϲɽоω ɱϲɑɳǥɽƴɗɽɑɡоɳ 16:49, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

I second that mootion. - Misery Is Friendly 16:54, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

I third that mootion. --ϲɽоω ɱϲɑɳǥɽƴɗɽɑɡоɳ 16:59, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

MOO —Tab McPiplup ツ 17:07, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

PvX guild runs faggy HA spike balanced in GvG. Sign here if you're coming. Req is that you don't suck.

1. —Tab McPiplup ツ 17:44, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
2. Moo. --ϲɽоω ɱϲɑɳǥɽƴɗɽɑɡоɳ 11:03, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
3. ups bit late everyone raged. --Frosty 17:50, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

   I meant tomorrow ;o —Tab McPiplup ツ 17:51, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

   I'm in ;D --Frosty 18:48, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

4. I can spike. :> --71.229 18:49, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
5. i cn haz fgtry 2 plx - 18:50, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
6. wuts a spike? --InfestedHydralisk(Talk*Contributions) 18:55, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
7. a spike is what forced you to /ragequit. (BTW only on friday/sat (all day/night), and Sunday (until 8:00 tbh)-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 19:44, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
8. wtb faggotry plx kthx Ojamo Tell Me I Fail 20:09, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
9. if you need a spare testicle, i've got a few. ツ cedave (contributions☆buildpage) 21:52, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
10. If you promise not to charge me. ;o Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 21:54, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

    I can make no such promise. —Tab McPiplup ツ 05:31, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

    Gimme a time frame to be awake for and I'm game. Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 06:16, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

11. Need more rank 5 tbh. Fierce Hero > Deadly Hero--ツThe Gates Assassin 23:43, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
12. - Misery Is Friendly 06:14, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
13. Only for you, Tab. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɭuƿƿɭɘş ɱᶗƿıƿɭuƿ 10:01, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
14. Slightly late, but still. Depends on time too, but if possible I'll come Godbox 10:28, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

    :< Godbox 10:37, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

—Tab McPiplup ツ 05:31, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Suggest ways to make it more faggoty gogo. —Tab McPiplup ツ 05:40, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

A AoM Derv is far more gay then that.. Brandnew. 09:04, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Let me rephrase: Suggest ways to make it more faggoty without making me impotent. —Tab McPiplup ツ 10:07, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

AWWWWWWWW

so cute-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 20:10, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

More like that. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɭuƿƿɭɘş ɱᶗƿıƿɭuƿ 22:35, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Ups. >.> —SazzyPooh11:27, 18 Sep 2008

first —Tab McPiplup ツ 11:29, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

6th --Frosty 11:42, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Tab McSexyPants. --ϲɽоω ɱϲɑɳǥɽƴɗɽɑɡоɳ 11:45, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

give me money —Tab McPiplup ツ 11:46, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

ok, meet me ingame once i get home from work, you emuish emu. - 11:47, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Moo. --ϲɽоω ɱϲɑɳǥɽƴɗɽɑɡоɳ 11:52, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

:(

I'm well bored, please make me happy :<. --ϲɽоω ɱϲɑɳǥɽƴɗɽɑɡоɳ 15:21, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

d po —Tab McPiplup ツ 16:57, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 17:13, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Amulet of Protection only triggers once per second, right? So theoretically, it's possible to spike the GL out in the first thirty seconds as long as your spike is perfect? --71.229 19:07, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

shut up.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 19:15, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Why so hostile? :< --71.229 19:19, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

You better leave 71 alone, or I'll negrospike your ass. Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 19:21, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

I was tenderly fucking 71's asshole before you installed this game good sir.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 19:31, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Last time I checked, I was tenderly fucking his asshole when he dropped the soap, which was way before you did.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 19:33, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Last time i checked i shit on your face.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 19:36, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Last time I checked, my rectum had gone unplundered and Crossfire couldn't get it up. --71.229 19:40, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

I wanna be in on this kidney rupturing action. Any suggestions? Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 19:49, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

stick your erect penis into my vagina and we will talk.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 19:49, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Ups, I'm 22 with ED. Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 19:51, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Ups im a cricket with restless leg syndrome.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 21:27, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

What the hell, seriously? I don't mind profanity, but this is just disgusting. Keep conversation at least somewhat clean, even if the language isn't. -Auron 21:40, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

^This isn't 4chan tbh. Then again, /unwatch User_talk:Ibreaktoilets works, too. ツ cedave (contributions☆buildpage) 21:42, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

cricket with restless leg syndrome is disgusting?-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 21:43, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

That's the most grotesque thing I've ever heard, Cross, why repeat it? —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 00:11, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

Im Naughty >:)-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 06:42, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

youre all fucking faggots except 71 and possibly dark —Tab McPiplup ツ 10:17, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

wuts a faggot? Godbox 10:20, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

You. Tabbles come to the PvX chat on the new forum. - 10:20, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

forums are bad —Tab McPiplup ツ 10:22, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

Just come chat - 10:23, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

stop being a nigger and use msn imo —Tab McPiplup ツ 10:24, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

Stop being a nigger because you know I can't use MSN at this time. - 10:25, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

take your laptop imo, we can pve and msn —Tab McPiplup ツ 10:30, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

and if you dont have one, buy one —Tab McPiplup ツ 10:31, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

Tab, baby

Tell me a story :) ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:24, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

get on msn if you arent already. if you are, open a window because i cba to check —Tab McPiplup ツ 10:25, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

Tell me a story! ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:31, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

There was once a land called america. It was happy and white. Then people brought niggers over and now hes running for president. The end.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 14:54, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

tbh, that nigger > you. He's probably better at GW than you too. :D Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 04:23, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

I came to ask Tab something, now I forgot. Cross, you're a faggot. Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 04:27, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

ups —Tab McPiplup ツ 06:12, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Now I remember, go look at This and tell me what needs done for sexytime. Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 06:38, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Meh, I don't really like thumpers. I think builds similar to that but with a war frontline are fairly common, but I'm not sure. Otherwise it looks like a pretty generic HA build. —Tab McPiplup ツ 06:42, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Thumpers are fun. I even run them in PvE. So don't hurt my build. KK? Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 06:56, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

ups —Tab McPiplup ツ 06:57, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

RaO Axors apply more damage. And generic Axe warriors can support knockdown with skills like shock and bulls strike, which is ideal if you are using a Glaive or SH team. TBH get a team of 6 wiht DwG, run to a foe. Drop ashes. GG-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 08:31, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

lolSB Godbox 08:44, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

rao axes are shit —Tab McPiplup ツ 08:47, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Man, Crossfire is just so bad at everything. - Misery Is Friendly 08:52, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

just curious...

but why is ur name tab? CABOSE(LVPoW)_{"Hey chicka bum bum!"} 21:04, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

IGN and ibreaktoilets.--ツThe Gates Assassin 22:00, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Piplup.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 22:33, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

My main PvE char is called Tab Now Please, I never really had a name I stuck with, but when Grinch joined SoD he called me Tab and it stuck ;o —Tab McPiplup ツ 11:53, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Can i call you piplup instead piplup?-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 17:04, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

no--GoldenStar 17:05, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Not you. Youre a primplup. The uglier evolution of piplup. Its like Piplup going thru puberty. Thats you.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 17:11, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

fuck a duck?--GoldenStar 17:11, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I heard they dont like surprises.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 17:14, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I heard you'd do the gene pool a favor if you took a meat cleaver to your ovaries--GoldenStar 17:15, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

My ovaries have sperm in them. The birth control worked.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 17:16, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

your mom did crack when you were a fetus, didn't she?--GoldenStar 17:18, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Well of course. Doesnt Everyone?-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 17:19, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

k.

Brandnew. 14:45, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

:< —Tab McPiplup ツ 15:06, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

no u did

^--GoldenStar 17:31, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

d po —Tab McPiplup ツ 17:31, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

oh is that don't paste?--GoldenStar 17:36, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

d po —Tab McPiplup ツ 17:37, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

zzz--GoldenStar 17:38, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Don't Poke --Frosty 17:47, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm not dumb...

I'm just wiki-inept...i...guess... and i think you hole a personal grudge against me cause i am so much awesomer than you —ᶁaɽⱪɘʃʂ ӍͼÇɧɑoᶊᶆoᶇǥɘɼ . 19:48, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

ups ^ and why are faggots messing with Miserys page? Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 19:55, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

whoru —Tab McPiplup ツ 07:55, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Wow, this place is fucking screwd up —ᶁaɽⱪɘʃʂ ӍͼÇɧɑoᶊᶆoᶇǥɘɼ . 16:46, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

whoru —Tab McPiplup ツ 16:47, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

I am Pikachu.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 20:56, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

so i herd

dere r conspiracias afoot.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 02:41, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

;o --Frosty 02:43, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

OMG ITS A POKEBALL!-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 07:01, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Userpage

Hi, I used bit of design of your userpage (layout and stuff) because im not so in wiki code and i am still learning. If you dont mind I ll keep it, and of course if you dont i can allways revert it to its previous look. Best regards, George. -- Korineczek--[ I'm awesome ] 10:49, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Asuran Ball

Deleted because it looks too similar to a pokeball lol. -çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 12:26, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I still don't think it's a copyvio. ffs, it's just color modifications to a gw image.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 13:58, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

So why not delete every fucking penguin on Pvx because it is somehow related to piplup.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 15:15, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Wherefore art thou Tabbensmith?

I am lost without thy guidance :< - Misery Is Friendly 15:19, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

crossfire smells —Tab McPiplup ツ 13:45, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

ups. (LVPoW) 13:46, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

—SkaKid 13:51, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

<3

Dchop qknocking is lame. Shock, while expensive, is easy as crap. Thanks much. -- Armond Warblade 18:32, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Bulls -> Evis -> body -> Shock + savannah Heat = win.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 19:21, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Only as long as that's all on one bar. ¬ «Ðêjh» (talk) 19:32, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Well a seprate ele needs to use SH, but yeah, evish is strong. I fail at qknocking though, because they end up casting aegis before i can KD again.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 19:36, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Sadface. You completely missed the joke. Whatever. ¬ «Ðêjh» (talk) 19:55, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

happyface: i got the joke ^^. You cant have shock on a savanah bar duh!! :o-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 20:01, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I lol'd. -- Armond Warblade 20:07, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I am a bad quarterknocker. Aegis gets through my chain -çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 20:08, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I run an earth shaker meteor shower spike and i qlock with dshot. Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 20:16, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

ur just bad cross. it's plain and simple.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 20:18, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I was just kidding. I can like 3/4lock. Sometimes I quarterknock, but its rare O.o-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 20:20, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

That doesn't make you not bad.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 20:22, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Well im a midliner. I Quarterknock with gaile.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 20:23, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

qknocking with a hammer is easy Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 20:23, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

When do you use the second hammer attack to qlock?-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 20:29, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Can't really be explained, it's something you have to learn through experience. Elite->(Flail)->crushing->!!!CANCEL AUTOATTACK!!!->wait ~3/4 second->second attack is a good approximation. Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 21:29, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

How do u cancel autoattack? I dont liek to cancel teh wandings.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 21:37, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Easy way:Elite->Flail->use Crushing a fraction of a second through next autoattack->Hammer Bash. Just go qknock some npcs till you get the hang of it. ¬ «Ðêjh» (talk) 21:58, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Cancel with esc. -- Armond Warblade 23:29, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

cancel action isnt the best way to hammer qknock, qstepping while you qknock is both easier once you get the timing and better. thats my constructive post for the week. —Tab McPiplup ツ 09:13, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

I end up doing like Earf shaker - > Crushing, -> hammer, then i end up using hammer and not causing the qknock. Its too early. I try harder and its late by a second.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 23:42, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

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+7e Tab 17:19, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Unblock msn

Tab's gone to bed sorry Napalm bbz. - Misery Is Friendly 17:57, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

penis penis duck Tab 18:00, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Fixed Kind of :<----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 23:40, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

First. Good afternoon. Misfate /wave 17:45, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

15/-1 for wand

I has it. Please, get it the fuck out of my storage. -- Armond Warblade 21:00, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

msn me when youre on <3 Tab 10:14, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

Second

Not first.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıpiplup-pip!ɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 21:11, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Third

Not twellph--ツThe Gates Assassin 21:12, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

is that even a number?-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 21:14, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

I think so...--ツThe Gates Assassin 21:15, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Then im Firteenf-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 21:51, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

I am ate!--reason.decrystallized I frenzy-healsig. 21:58, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Oshi who ate u?--ツThe Gates Assassin 22:20, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Yoshi ate u?   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 01:45, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

I can has cheeseburger ye? Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 02:02, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

no.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 15:02, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

that means i can has the ceeseburger?--HALLOWWIKI 17:16, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

My Sources

Have told me that you doesn't scared of nothing. Is this true or faglie? --Frosty 16:07, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

I approve this statement to be enough true. Tab 16:08, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

My hero is you know <3 --Frosty 16:09, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

Piplup is my hero.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 17:28, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

obaby Tab 04:13, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

Sexy. No longer comment is needed. -- Guild of Deals 17:18, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

eh i think tab is a pretty cool guy. eh loves piplups and doesn't afraid of anything —SkaKid 17:21, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

but piplup is my savior. I worship piplupism. And i go to the church of piplup.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 19:29, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

ups, i think cross just crossed the line into furry.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 20:13, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

Furry? like furby?-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 20:52, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

Godliest/Contestbox/09

lol. You won, gg. If you want a user box then ask me and I'll fix a cute one :> Godbox 09:11, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

ups. Tab 10:19, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

Are you done screwing with my userpage yet?

Brandnew. 14:04, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

no Tab 14:18, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

then I'll wait a second before reverting you :> Brandnew. 14:21, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

[15]

Don't. -- Armond Warblade 18:17, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

Be glad it's on a leash

--GoldenStar 18:20, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

sexyyy.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 18:23, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

fuck off doublenigger--GoldenStar 18:24, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

^ +1   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 19:47, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

Wut

Ur my nigger bitch yo? —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 08:00, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Nah Unexist, ur my nigga bitch, get me nigga? --ϲɽоω ɱϲɑɳǥɽƴɗɽɑɡоɳ 16:19, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

wtf? Tab 17:48, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

moo ^ mudkip? wtf nou —SkaKid 17:49, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

I put on my robe and wizard hat. Tab 17:50, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

take off your shoes, servant —SkaKid 17:51, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

I take off my shoes to reveal that I have webbed feet. wtf? Tab 17:51, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

do you enjoy the postman hats in england? —SkaKid 17:52, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

While I was previously a fan, my interest has waned of late. Tab 17:52, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Why thy intrest wane, prithee? Rawrawr Dinosaur 17:53, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

It is for many reasons. If you call my interest in postman hats H, then H = 1/t. This means the rate of change of my interest is -1/t². Tab 17:56, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

piplup-pip!

get rid of all ur shit on ur user paeg

Saint 18:08, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

vandalise away, i rage to bed now Tab 18:09, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

i tried and got wtfpwnd, so i had alex fix you up. enjoy Saint 18:17, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

i dunno where the fuck he got that shit lol Rawrawr Dinosaur 18:19, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

its called masturbation material rawr. Saint 18:41, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

what, the gothopotamus?--reason.decrystallized I frenzy-healsig. 19:57, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

nono, the rape.gif Saint 20:01, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Oh you fucker you made me look up rape.gif =(--ツThe Gates Assassin 22:41, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

lol we put it on tabs user at 5000px, but it was reverted =(( Saint 09:47, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Tabby

Is nice to Crowels :>. --ϲɽоω ɱϲɑɳǥɽƴɗɽɑɡоɳ 20:51, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

That's because he's a dick--GoldenStar 16:16, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

mad? —SkaKid 16:16, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

nop, i'm just going to troll him for being a douche--GoldenStar 16:19, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Plikkup_Works

I h3rd you like that map Blacksmurf McHippopotas 04:11, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

MSN

Stop blocking me. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 08:15, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

Discussion

Stop ignoring me. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 04:07, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

ups Tab 08:17, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

I like your sig :o) ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 08:17, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Tab 08:18, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 08:24, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Blacksmurf McHippopotas 12:13, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

--Frosty 12:16, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Brandnew. 12:19, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 14:59, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Blacksmurf McHippopotas 16:19, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Misf8 /wave 19:18, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Tab 19:38, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

—SkaKid 19:42, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Tab 10:11, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

—SkaKid 19:42, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

cute mcpanda Tab 04:17, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

cute mcsquig? Godbox 05:07, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Tab 10:12, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Godbox 16:27, 8 November 2008 (EST)

A very cute mcpanda —SkaKid 17:09, 17 December 2008 (EST)

GARY OAK

You can't ignore his girth. -- Jebus_contests 12:26, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Tab

How does it derive from "ibreaktoilets"? -- Jebus_contests 20:16, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Asking a banned user always means a reply, no? -- Guild of Deals 20:20, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Similarly to how Jebus derives from "autist". 86.143.21.233 04:03, 26 November 2008 (EST)

D: -- Jebus_contests 15:05, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Bad chat is bad

:V --71.229 17:28, 10 December 2008 (EST)

Also, stop making me time out. --71.229 17:29, 10 December 2008 (EST)

moo Tab 07:01, 13 December 2008 (EST)

.

Needs more sheep. --Frosty 17:27, 18 December 2008 (EST)

fixed Tab 17:31, 18 December 2008 (EST)

--Frosty 17:33, 18 December 2008 (EST)

Tab 17:40, 18 December 2008 (EST)

where do you find those WM builds

QQ or ? lilondra 16:01, 21 December 2008 (EST)

He runs them daily. ¬ «Ðêjh» (talk) 18:26, 21 December 2008 (EST)

Tab was core WM. —SkaKid 18:44, 21 December 2008 (EST)

Unexist is gay. Rawrawr Dinosaur 18:58, 21 December 2008 (EST)

^ Tab 19:08, 21 December 2008 (EST)

you dont happen to be able to store them or something ? I plan to run modded versions from old school builds after a while.And see how it works out lilondra 03:55, 22 December 2008 (EST)

Those are just a few of the well-known ones. QQ has the ones they ran in major tournaments, you can probably find a few recordings of WM matches on QQ/Guru/GWO as well. Tab 09:24, 22 December 2008 (EST)

Mes Monk Guide

I have put a disclaimer and a statement of what you can utilize a mes-monk build for. I can box it to make it more apparent. Its a fun way to play. Will I have the opportunity to finish the guide before it is a candidate for deletion? It has beenup and on the site in stub form since I started it in may, 7 months ago. Why was it not adress as a delition candidate then? Shireen former sysop 16:42, 22 December 2008 (EST)

Didn't see it until now. It's for the admins to decide ultimately, but I wouldn't support any guide that spreads misinformation outside of userspace. I don't think it's a good idea to teach people to use builds that are frankly awful, no matter how fun you think it may be. You've already heard what I've got to say about the build, I cba to go over it again. Christmas Tab 16:44, 22 December 2008 (EST)

Mes monking - being labled as 'misinformation' is frankly an opinion. I have no arguments that a monk is capable of holding a team together, in the vast majority of situations, better than any mesmer. And the guide is meant to be something to try for fun, which is what the game is about, having fun. If the guide is in place it will give justification for PVX:Well, and you can point the offending submitter to the guide, which keeps them from feeling as 'rejected and dejected' for submitting what they felt was a pretty cool idea, due to the lack of any other such build being allowed to exist on the site. It gives a home for an alternative playstyle than can be refined for those who want to explore such an avenue. Please bring it up with the other admins and post a personal reply to me on my talk page when a decision is made. For now I'll hold off on continued work on the project so as not to draw attention or drama to the page. Shireen former sysop 16:53, 22 December 2008 (EST)

I've seen your build, it sucks. Even if that's an opinion, it's one shared by 99% of the users here. Deleting a guide that tells people how to be bad at GW is the same as trashing a build that tells people how to be bad at GW, it's also something we've done with guides about bad builds before. By all means work on your guide, but move it to your userspace if you want it to stay up. I'm not going over this whole "I prefer monking on my mesmer" thing again. I personally find monking on a W/Mo pretty enjoyable, that doesn't mean it's something we should promote. tl;dr, Me/Mos are bad, the only reason to use one is to dodge Pblock, which is a non-issue in RA, and the skills themselves are bad. Christmas Tab 16:59, 22 December 2008 (EST)

And your handing of individuals is why the WIKI has the reputation it does. Shireen former sysop

Maybe so. I'd rather have good builds and a reputation for elitism than terrible builds and a reputation for terribleness. Cba to discuss this any further. Christmas Tab 17:04, 22 December 2008 (EST)

PvX does have a reputation for terribleness =S-- Liger414 talk 17:11, 22 December 2008 (EST)

Fine, an even greater reputation for terribleness. PvX's reputation at the moment is mainly due to its users. Getting a reputation for terrible builds aswell isn't desirable. Christmas Tab 17:13, 22 December 2008 (EST)

Rally-kupo! —SkaKid 18:09, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Rally-kupo! Christmas Tab 18:10, 23 December 2008 (EST)

third. 18:12, 23 December 2008

Rally-kupo! Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 18:13, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Christmas McMonkey--ChristmasRelyk 18:15, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Here is an army of cute monkeys tab, have a nice day. --Frosty 18:18, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Diglett-dig diglett-dig diglett-dig trio trio trio Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 18:18, 23 December 2008 (EST)

I miss Diglett tbh --Frosty 18:19, 23 December 2008 (EST)

i shall draw you one Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 18:19, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Rally-kupo! — Skakid Rally- kupo! 18:40, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Rally-kupo! Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 18:40, 23 December 2008 (EST)

What is this rally-kupo nonsense? -- 23:31, 24 December 2008 (EST)

Rally-kupo! Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 07:23, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Your Archive template

I don't think it'll link to the category because it doesn't exist. there is no great/good/other category, only "Great HA" or "Good AB" etc. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 14:38, 24 December 2008 (EST)

ups, good point Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 15:05, 24 December 2008 (EST)

Make it link to 'all great PvP working builds'? Brandnew. 15:08, 24 December 2008 (EST)

You could, but i cba to do it now Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 15:09, 24 December 2008 (EST)

You could, but then you assume it's PvP. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:12, 24 December 2008 (EST)

I think that works though, I don't recall any archived pve builds. — Skakid Rally- kupo! 15:13, 24 December 2008 (EST)

x/A shadow form farmers. Brandnew. 15:15, 24 December 2008 (EST)

Category:All_archived_tested_PvE_builds ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:21, 24 December 2008 (EST)

Merry Christmas kupokupo! ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:27, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Merry Rally-kupo! Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 07:30, 25 December 2008 (EST)

I think you mean Happy Christmas. -- Guild of Deals 07:36, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Rally-kupo! Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 07:38, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Christmas is for jews. --Frosty 07:49, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Exactly. Real men celebrate Kupomas, kupo! Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 07:49, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Is it true that po? --Frosty 07:51, 25 December 2008 (EST)

po Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 07:51, 25 December 2008 (EST)

^ --Frosty 07:53, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Sheep

That is all.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 08:33, 25 December 2008 (EST)

moo ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 08:33, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Rally-kupo! Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 08:35, 25 December 2008 (EST)

This is the first page to have my sig on it D: Rickyvantof 08:55, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Rally-kupo! Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 08:56, 25 December 2008 (EST)

lol wrong :P --› Srs Beans R Srs 08:56, 25 December 2008 (EST)

srsbeans izzafag Rickyvantof 08:57, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Rally Kupo!----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 08:57, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Rally-Kupo! Frosty po! 08:59, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Rally-Kupo! Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 09:00, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Rickyvantof 09:00, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Rally-Kupo! Godbox 09:01, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Rickyvantof 09:02, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Frosty po! 09:03, 25 December 2008 (EST)

File:Cute McMoogle.gif Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 09:03, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Rally-Kupo!----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 10:51, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Frosty po! 13:54, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Definately. Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 14:12, 25 December 2008 (EST)

You can't have to meaning for one letter ;o Frosty po! 14:13, 25 December 2008 (EST)

The meaning of d is defined by a differential equation, so its meaning depends on the context of it. Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 14:14, 25 December 2008 (EST)

To be exacty, dM(d) = dd => M(d) = d + c, where c can potentially reverse the meaning of d Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 14:16, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Rally-Kupo! Frosty po! 14:18, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Rally-Kupo! Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 14:18, 25 December 2008 (EST)

If Rally-Kupo was a Diglett

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Rally Kupo! Frosty po! 05:37, 26 December 2008 (EST)

+1 good sir. If diglett was a nigger....

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Rally Kupo! Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 05:39, 26 December 2008 (EST)

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Frosty po! 05:44, 26 December 2008 (EST)

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§ 123

I GO ON THEN TO ASK WHETHER IN THE INHERITING OF THIS PATERNAL POWER, THIS SUPREME FATHERHOOD, THE GRANDSON BY A DAUGHTER, HATH A RIGHT BEFORE A NEPHEW BY A BROTHER? WHETHER THE GRAND-SON BY THE ELDEST SON, BEING AN INFANT, BEFORE THE YOUNGER SON A MAN AND ABLE? WHETHER THE DAUGHTER BEFORE THE UNCLE? OR ANY OTHER MAN, DESCENDED BY A MALE LINE? WHETHER A GRAND-SON BY A YOUNGER DAUGHTER, BEFORE A GRAND-DAUGHTER BY AN ELDER DAUGHTER? WHETHER THE ELDER SON BY A CONCUBINE, BEFORE A YOUNGER SON BY A WIFE? FROM WHENCE ALSO WILL ARISE MANY QUESTIONS OF LEGITIMATION, AND WHAT IN NATURE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWIXT A WIFE AND A CONCUBINE? FOR AS TO THE MUNICIPAL OR POSITIVE LAWS OF MEN, THEY CAN SIGNIFIE NOTHING HERE. IT MAY FARTHER BE ASKED, WHETHER THE ELDEST SON BEING A FOOL, SHALL INHERIT THIS PATERNAL POWER, BEFORE THE YOUNGER A WISE MAN? AND WHAT DEGREE OF FOLLY IT MUST BE, THAT SHALL EXCLUDE HIM? AND WHO SHALL BE JUDGE OF IT? WHETHER THE SON OF A FOOL EXCLUDED FOR HIS FOLLY, BEFORE THE SON OF HIS WISE BROTHER WHO REIGN'D? WHO HAS THE PATERNAL POWER, WHILST THE WIDOW-QUEEN IS WITH CHILD BY THE DECEASED KING, AND NO BODY KNOWS WHETHER IT WILL BE A SON OR A DAUGHTER? WHICH SHALL BE HEIR OF TWO MALE-TWINS, WHO BY THE DISSECTION OF THE MOTHER, WERE LAID OPEN TO THE WORLD? WHETHER A SISTER BY THE HALF BLOOD, BEFORE A BROTHERS DAUGHTER BY THE WHOLE BLOOD? --Mafaraxas (talk) 06:18, 26 December 2008 (EST) In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

27 So God created man in his own image,
      in the image of God he created him;
      male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

Genesis 2

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [c] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

Adam and Eve

4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.
     When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- 5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth [d] and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [e] and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams [f] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- 7 the LORD God formed the man [g] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 06:20, 26 December 2008 (EST)

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Rally-kupo! Christmas Tab Rally-kupo! 07:05, 26 December 2008 (EST)

Rally-kupo! — Skakid Rally- kupo! 20:36, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Rally-kupo! Blacksmurf McHippopotas 14:55, 26 December 2008 (EST)

ups, mine isn't from the bible. --Mafaraxas (talk) 15:44, 26 December 2008 (EST)

moo Big is a transient phenomenon.. 16:39, 26 December 2008 (EST)

dear tabbymoo,

As a late Christmas present, I wrote a poem for you.

Prepare for trouble.
Make it double.
To protect the world from devastation.
To unite all peoples in our nation.
To denounce the evils of truth and love.
To extend our reach to the stars above.
Jesse.
James.
Team Rocket blasts off at the speed of light.
Surrender now or prepare to fight:
Meowth, that's right.
--Mafaraxas (talk) 18:43, 26 December 2008 (EST)

A humble invitation

Dear Tab,

I humbly invite your 1 man guilds to join my 1 man guilds alliance with such notables as Picnic Pioneers [aisantag], Back To Tombs [t321], and Technically Gangster [iNig]. Each guild has 1 character except for Picnic Pioneers, with a staggering 3 different people such as Misfate, Mahsa, and Erf Shakuur.

Sincerely,
—ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 23:10, 26 December 2008 (EST)

Send me invite grinch. Tycn 21:50, 27 December 2008 (EST)

owait nvm, I disbanded. Tycn 21:51, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Christmas Tab

goes here--ChristmasRelyk 20:26, 27 December 2008 (EST)

That edit on jebus' template

Was very strong. You gain three internets for it. Brandnew. 16:37, 29 December 2008 (EST)

/wave Tab 16:40, 29 December 2008 (EST)

The true meaning of "d"

Is not Denied, and not Definetly, but, the one and only Diglett (Or Dugtrio!) Frosty po! 18:27, 29 December 2008 (EST)

d, you have much to learn Tab 18:27, 29 December 2008 (EST)

d stands for d(^_^)b Rickyvantof 18:28, 29 December 2008 (EST)

d stands for unexist is black. Rawrawr Dinosaur 18:29, 29 December 2008 (EST)

d stands for unexist is black. Tab 18:29, 29 December 2008 (EST)

d stands for unexist is black. — Skakid Rally- kupo! 18:31, 29 December 2008 (EST)

d stands for unexist is black. Tab 18:32, 29 December 2008 (EST)

big mcmonkey

Tab 18:32, 29 December 2008 (EST)

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d Frosty po! 18:30, 29 December 2008 (EST)

d stands for Rickyvantof 18:31, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Sex

Now? God Zefir 18:44, 29 December 2008 (EST)

no Tab 18:44, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Damn, denied God Zefir 18:46, 29 December 2008 (EST)

That's quite perverted. Rickyvantof 18:48, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Tab 18:48, 29 December 2008 (EST)

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dont do that again. :) --Anonimous. 18:52, 29 December 2008 (EST)

/wave Tab 18:53, 29 December 2008 (EST)

or I wont teach you to pve. --Anonimous. 18:54, 29 December 2008 (EST)

D: Tab 18:54, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Rickyvantof 18:54, 29 December 2008 (EST)

<=====8 — Skakid Rally- kupo! 18:56, 29 December 2008 (EST)

WOMP Tab 18:56, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Skakid, you're such a perv :[ Rickyvantof 18:56, 29 December 2008 (EST)

<font color="black"></font> LOLOLGUESSWHOITIS Tab 18:57, 29 December 2008 (EST)

d Rickyvantof 18:57, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Greetings Kupo!

-Crossfire XIV 23:38, 29 December 2008 (EST)

kupo Tab 07:31, 30 December 2008 (EST)

happy new year mr tab and mr edward and mr misery and mr j

:o)

also, many wars when I return. :>

i dont play war anymore D: we do many pokemons! Tab 06:10, 30 December 2008 (EST)

AB with me nggr. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 07:23, 30 December 2008 (EST)

after i eat nggr Tab 07:25, 30 December 2008 (EST)

But witch elf. :<

And yes, many pokemons. DS in ~2 weeks. --71.229 01:10, 31 December 2008 (EST)

we shall find a way to play as a WE in pokemons Tab 08:54, 31 December 2008 (EST)

User talk:Goldenstar

"J'ai couche avec ma mere" means "i slept with my mom". moo. JebusMcMouse_Contests 13:47, 30 December 2008 (EST)

check history, it was ta at first ;o Tab 13:48, 30 December 2008 (EST)

rally-kupo! JebusMcMouse_Contests 13:50, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Tabbymoo

Make your black person a new sig thx Big is a transient phenomenon.. 13:51, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Big McMonkey Tab 13:54, 30 December 2008 (EST)

auron got rid of cute mcmoogle JebusMcMouse_Contests 13:56, 30 December 2008 (EST)

cute mcmoogle will always be in my heart Tab 13:57, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Fer sho Big McMonkey 14:12, 30 December 2008 (EST)

tyvm

for the french porn on my talk page. much appreciated--GoldenStar 14:09, 30 December 2008 (EST)

youre welcome :> Tab 14:10, 30 December 2008 (EST)

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^ Tab 09:00, 31 December 2008 (EST)

also Tab 09:02, 31 December 2008 (EST)

moo

This user came first in Godbox's December 2008 for making a Cute McQuest.

Godbox 09:06, 1 January 2009 (EST)

! Tab 09:08, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Aw tab i <3 you ^^ lilondra 07:20, 2 January 2009 (EST)

moo Tab 07:56, 2 January 2009 (EST)

BOOK I, CHAPTER 1 THE INTRODUCTION

§ 1. SLAVERY IS SO VILE AND MISERABLE AN ESTATE OF MAN, AND SO DIRECTLY OPPOSITE TO THE GENEROUS TEMPER AND COURAGE OF OUR NATION; THAT 'TIS HARDLY TO BE CONCEIVED, THAT AN ENGLISHMAN, MUCH LESS A GENTLEMAN, SHOULD PLEAD FOR'T. AND TRULY, I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN SR. RT: FILMER'S PATRIARCHA AS ANY OTHER TREATISE, WHICH WOULD PERSWADE ALL MEN, THAT THEY ARE SLAVES, AND OUGHT TO BE SO, FOR SUCH ANOTHER EXERCISE OF WIT, AS WAS HIS WHO WRIT THE ENCOMIUM OF NERO, RATHER THAN FOR A SERIOUS DISCOURSE MEANT IN EARNEST, HAD NOT THE GRAVITY OF THE TITLE AND EPISTLE, THE PICTURE IN THE FRONT OF THE BOOK, AND THE APPLAUSE THAT FOLLOWED IT, REQUIRED ME TO BELIEVE, THAT THE AUTHOR AND PUBLISHER WERE BOTH IN EARNEST. I THEREFORE TOOK IT INTO MY HANDS WITH ALL THE EXPECTATION,AND READ IT THROUGH WITH-ALL THE ATTENTION DUE TO A TREATISE, THAT MADE SUCH A NOISE AT ITS COMING ABROAD, AND CANNOT BUT CONFESS MY SELF MIGHTILY SURPRISED, THAT IN BOOK, WHICH WAS TO PROVIDE CHAINS FOR ALL MAKIND, I SHOULD FIND NOTHING BUT A ROPE OF SAND, USEFUL PERHAPS TO SUCH, WHOSE SKILL AND BUSINESS IT IS TO RAISE A DUST, AND WOULD BLIND THE PEOPLE, THE BETTER TO MISLEAD THEM, BUT IN TRUTH NOT OF ANY FORCE TO DRAW THOSE INTO BONDAGE, WHO HAVE THEIR EYES OPEN, AND SO MUCH SENSE ABOUT THEM AS TO CONSIDER, THAT CHAINS ARE BUT AN ILL WEARING, HOW MUCH CARE SOEVER HATH BEEN TAKEN TO FILE AND POLISH THEM.

§ 2. IF AND ONE THINK I TAKE TOO MUCH LIBERTY IN SPEAKING SO FREELY OF A MAN, WHO IS THE GREAT CHAMPION OF ABSOLUTE POWER, AND THE IDOL OF THOSE WHO WORSHIP IT; I BESEECH HIM TO MAKE THIS SMALL ALLOWANCE FOR ONCE, TO ONE, WHO, EVEN AFTER THE READING OF SIR ROBERT'S BOOK, CANNOT BUT THINK HIMSELF, AS THE LAWS ALLOW HIM, A FREEMAN: AND I KNOW NO FAULT IT IS TO DO SO, UNLESS ANY ONE BETTER SKILL'D IN THE FATE OF IT, THAN I, SHOULD HAVE IT REVEALED TO HIM, THAT THIS TREATISE, WHICH HAS LAIN DORMANT SO LONG, WAS, WHEN IT APPEARED IN THE WORLD, TO CARRY BY STRENGTH OF ITS ARGUMENTS, ALL LIBERTY OUT OF IT, AND THAT FROM THENCEFORTH OUR AUTHOR'S SHORT MODEL WAS TO BE THE PATTERN IN THE MOUNT, AND THE PERFECT STANDARD OF POLITICS FOR THE FUTURE. HIS SYSTEM LIES IN A LITTLE COMPASS, 'TIS NO MORE BUT, THIS,

THAT ALL GOVERNMENT IS ABSOLUTE MONARCHY.

AND THE GROUND HE BUILDS ON, IS THIS,

THAT NO MAN IS BORN FREE.

§ 3. IN THIS LAST AGE A GENERATION OF MEN HAS SPRUNG UP AMONG US, WHO WOULD FLATTER PRINCES WITH AN OPINION, THAT THEY HAVE A DIVINE RIGHT TO ABSOLUTE POWER, LET THE LAWS BY WHICH THEY ARE CONSTITUTED, AND ARE TO GOVERN, AND THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH THEY ENTER UPON THEIR AUTHORITY, BE WHAT THEY WILL, AND THEIR ENGAGEMENTS TO OBSERVE THEM NEVER SO WELL RATIFIED BY SOLEMN OATHS AND PROMISES. TO MAKE WAY FOR THIS DOCTRINE THEY HAVE DENIED MANKIND A RIGHT TO NATURAL FREEDOM, WHEREBY THEY HAVE NOT ONLY, AS MUCH AS IN THEM LIES, EXPOSED TO SUBJECTS TO THE UTMOST MISERY OF TYRANNY AND OPPRESSION, BUT HAVE ALSO UNSETTLED THE TITLES, AND SHAKEN THE THRONES OF PRINCES: (FOR THEY TOO, BY THESE MENS SYSTEME, EXCEPT ONLY ONE, ARE ALL BORN SLAVES, AND BY DIVINE RIGHT, ARE SUBJECTS TO ADAM'S RIGHT HEIR) ; AS IF THEY HAD DESIGN'D TO MAKE WAR UPON ALL GOVERNMENT, AND SUBVERT THE VERY FOUNDATIONS OF HUMAN SOCIETY, TO SERVE THEIR PRESENT TURN.

§ 4. HOWEVER WE MUST BELIEVE THEM UPON THEIR OWN BARE WORDS, WHEN THEY TELL US, WE ARE ALL BORN SLAVES, AND WE MUST CONTINUE SO; THERE IS NO REMEDY FOR IT: LIFE AND THRALLDOM WE ENTER'D INTO TOGETHER, AND CAN NEVER BE QUIT OF THE ONE, TILL WE PART WITH THE OTHER. SCRIPTURE OR REASON I AM SURE DOES NOT ANY WHERE SAY SO NOTWITHSTANDING THE NOISE OF DIVINE RIGHT, AS IF DIVINE AUTHORITY HATH SUBJECTED US TO THE UNLIMITED WILL OF ANOTHER. AN ADMIRABLE STATE OF MANKIND, AND THAT WHICH THEY HAVE NOT HAD WIT ENOUGH TO FIND OUT TIL THIS LATTER AGE. FOR HOWEVER SIR ROBERT FILMER SEEMS TO CONDEMN THE NOVELTY OF THE CONTRARY OPINION, PATR. P. 3. YET I BELIEVE IT WILL BE HARD FOR HIM TO FIND ANY OTHER AGE OR COUNTRY OF THE WORLD, BUT THIS WHICH HAS ASSERTED MONARCHY TO BE JURE DIVINO. AND HE CONFESSES, PATR. P. 4. THAT HEYWARD, BLACKWOOD, BARCLAY, AND OTHERS, THAT HAVE BRAVELY VINDICATED THE RIGHTS OF KINGS IN MOST POINTS, NEVER THOUGHT OF THIS, BUT WITH ONE CONSENT ADMITTED THE NATURAL LIBERTY AND EQUALITY OF MANKIND.

§ 5. BY WHOM THIS DOCTRINE CAME AT FIRST TO BE BROACH'D, AND BROUGHT IN FASHION AMONGST US, AND WHAT SAD EFFECTS IT GAVE RISE TO, I LEAVE TO HISTORIANS TO RELATE, OR TO THE MEMORY OF THOSE WHO WERE CONTEMPORARIES WITH SIBTHORP AND MANWERING TO RECOLLECT. MY BUSINESS AT PRESENT IS ONLY TO CONSIDER WHAT SIR R. F. WHO IS ALLOWED TO HAVE CARRIED THIS ARGUMENT FARTHEST, AND IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BROUGHT IT TO PERFECTION, HAS SAID IN IT; FOR FROM HIM EVERY ONE, WHO WOULD BE AS FASHIONABLE AS FRENCH WAS AT COURT, HAS LEARNED, AND RUNS AWAY WITH THIS SHORT SYSTEM OF POLITICS, VIZ. MEN ARE NOT BORN FREE, AND THEREFORE COULD NEVER HAVE THE LIBERTY TO CHOOSE EITHER GOVERNORS, OR FORMS OF GOVERNMENT. PRINCES HAVE THEIR POWER ABSOLUTE, AND BY DIVINE RIGHT, FOR SLAVES COULD NEVER HAVE A RIGHT TO COMPACT OR CONSENT. ADAM WAS AN ABSOLUTE MONARCH, AND SO ARE ALL PRINCES EVER SINCE.

BOOK I, CHAPTER 2 OF PATERNAL AND REGAL POWER

§ 6. SIR R. F.'S GREAT POSITION IS, THAT MEN ARE NOT NATURALLY FREE. THIS IS THE FOUNDATION ON WHICH HIS ABSOLUTE MONARCHY STANDS, AND FROM WHICH IT ERECTS IT SELF TO AN HEIGHT, THAT ITS POWER IS ABOVE EVERY, POWER, CAPUT INTER NUBILA, SO HIGH ABOVE ALL EARTHLY AND HUMAN THINGS, THAT THOUGHT CAN SCARCE REACH IT; THAT PROMISES AND OATHS, WHICH TYE THE INFINITE DEITY, CANNOT CONFINE IT. BUT IF THIS FOUNDATION FAILS, ALL HIS FABRIC FALLS WITH IT, AND GOVERNMENTS MUST BE LEFT AGAIN TO THE OLD WAY OF BEING MADE BY CONTRIVANCE, AND THE CONSENT OF MEN MAKING USE OF THEIR REASON TO UNITE TOGETHER INTO SOCIETY. TO PROVE THIS GRAND POSITION OF HIS, HE TELLS US, P. 12. MEN ARE BORN IN SUBJECTION TO THEIR PARENTS, AND THEREFORE CANNOT BE FREE. AND THIS AUTHORITY OF PARENTS, HE CALLS ROYAL AUTHORITY, P. 12, 14. FATHERLY AUTHORITY, RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD, P. 12, 20. ONE WOULD HAVE THOUGHT BE WOULD IN THE BEGINNING OF SUCH A WORK AS THIS, ON WHICH WAS TO DEPEND THE AUTHORITY OF PRINCES, AND THE OBEDIENCE OF SUBJECTS, HAVE TOLD US EXPRESSLY WHAT THAT FATHERLY AUTHORITY IS, HAVE DEFINED IT, THOUGH NOT LIMITED IT, BECAUSE IN SOME OTHER TREATISES OF HIS HE TELLS US, 'TIS UNLIMITED, AND UNLIMITABLE;* HE SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE GIVEN US SUCH AN ACCOUNT OF IT, THAT WE MIGHT HAVE HAD AN ENTIRE NOTION OF THIS FATHERHOOD, OR FATHERLY AUTHORITY, WHENEVER IT CAME IN OUR WAY IN HIS WRITINGS. THIS I EXPECTED TO HAVE FOUND IN THE FIRST CHAPTER OF HIS PATRIARCHA. BUT INSTEAD THEREOF, HAVING, 1. EN PASSANT, MADE HIS OBEYSANCE TO THE ARCANA IMPERII, P. 5. 2. MADE HIS COMPLIMENT TO THE RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES OF THIS, OR ANY OTHER NATION, P. 6. WHICH HE IS GOING PRESENTLY TO NULL AND DESTROY; AND, 3. MADE HIS LEG TO THOSE LEARNED MEN, WHO DID NOT SEE SO FAR INTO THE MATTER AS HIMSELF, P. 7. HE COMES TO FALL ON BELLARMINE, P. 8. AND, BY A VICTORY OVER HIM, ESTABLISHES HIS FATHERLY AUTHORITY BEYOND ANY QUESTION. BELLARMINE BEING ROUTED BY HIS OWN CONFESSION, P. 11. THE DAY IS CLEAR GOT, AND THERE IS NO MORE NEED OF ANY FORCES: FOR HAVING DONE THAT, I OBSERVE NOT THAT HE STATES THE QUESTION, OR RALLIES UP ANY ARGUMENTS TO MAKE GOOD HIS OPINION, BUT RATHER TELLS US THE STORY, AS BE THINKS FIT, OF THIS STRANGE KIND OF DOMINEERING PHANTOM, CALLED THE FATHERHOOD, WHICH WHOEVER COULD CATCH, PRESENTLY GOT EMPIRE, AND UNLIMITED ABSOLUTE POWER. HE ASSURES US HOW THIS FATHERHOOD BEGAN IN ADAM, CONTINUED ITS COURSE, AND KEPT THE WORLD IN ORDER ALL THE TIME OF THE PATRIARCHS TILL THE FLOOD, GOT OUT OF THE ARK WITH NOAH AND HIS SONS, MADE AND SUPPORTED ALL THE KINGS OF THE EARTH TILL THE CAPTIVITY OF THE ISRAELITES IN EGYPT, AND THEN THE POOR FATHERHOOD WAS UNDER HATCHES, TILL GOD BY GIVING THE ISRAELITES KINGS, RE-ESTABLISHED THE ANCIENT AND PRIME RIGHT OF THE LINEAL SUCCESSION IN PATERNAL GOVERNMENT. THIS IS HIS BUSINESS FROM P. 12 TO 19. AND THEN OBVIATING AN OBJECTION, AND CLEARING A DIFFICULTY OR TWO WITH ONE HALF REASON, P. 23. TO CONFIRM THE NATURAL RIGHT OF REGAL POWER, HE ENDS THE FIRST CHAPTER. I HOPE 'TIS NO INJURY TO CALL AN HALF QUOTATION AN HALF REASON, FOR GOD SAYS, HONOUR THY FATHER AND MOTHER; BUT OUR AUTHOR CONTENTS HIMSELF WITH HALF, LEAVES OUT THY MOTHER QUITE, AS LITTLE SERVICEABLE TO HIS PURPOSE. BUT OF THAT MORE IN ANOTHER PLACE.

• "IN GRANTS AND GIFTS THAT HAVE THEIR ORIGINAL FROM GOD OR NATURE, AS THE POWER OF THE FATHER HAS, NO INFERIOR POWER OF MAN CAN LIMIT, NOR MAKE ANY LAW OF PRESCRIPTION AGAINST THEM. * * * THE SCRIPTURE TEACHES THAT SUPREME POWER WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE FATHER WITHOUT ANY LIMITATION."

§ 7. I DO NOT THINK OUR AUTHOR SO LITTLE SKILL'D IN THE WAY OF WRITING DISCOURSES OF THIS NATURE, NOR SO CARELESS OF THE POINT IN HAND, THAT HE BY OVERSIGHT COMMITS THE FAULT THAT HE HIMSELF, IN HIS ANARCHY OF A MIX'D MONARCHY, P. 239. OBJECTS TO MR HUNTON IN THESE WORDS: WHERE FIRST I CHARGE THE A. THAT HE HATH NOT GIVEN US ANY DEFINITION, OR DESCRIPTION OF MONARCHY IN GENERAL; FOR BY THE RULES OF METHOD, HE SHOULD HAVE FIRST DEFIN'D. AND BY THE LIKE RULE OF METHOD SIR ROBERT SHOULD HAVE TOLD US, WHAT HIS FATHERHOOD OR FATHERLY AUTHORITY IS, BEFORE HE HAD TOLD US, IN WHOM IT WAS TO BE FOUND, AND TALKED SO MUCH OF IT. BUT PERHAPS SIR ROBERT FOUND, THAT THIS FATHERLY AUTHORITY, THIS POWER OF FATHERS, AND OF KINGS, FOR HE MAKES THEM BOTH THE SAME, P. 24. WOULD MAKE A VERY ODD AND FRIGHTFUL FIGURE, AND VERY DISAGREEING, WITH WHAT EITHER CHILDREN IMAGINE OF THEIR PARENTS, OR SUBJECTS OF THEIR KINGS, IF HE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN US THE WHOLE DRAUGHT TOGETHER, IN THAT GIGANTIC FORM, HE HAD PAINTED IT IN HIS OWN PHANCY: AND THEREFORE LIKE A WARY PHYSICIAN, WHEN HE WOULD HAVE HIS PATIENT SWALLOW SOME HARSH OR CORROSIVE LIQUOR, HE MINGLES IT WITH A LARGE QUANTITY OF THAT, WHICH MAY DILUTE IT; THAT THE SCATTER'D PARTS MAY GO DOWN WITH LESS FEELING, AND CAUSE LESS AVERSION.

§ 8. LET US THEN ENDEAVOUR TO FIND WHAT ACCOUNT HE GIVES US OF THIS FATHERLY AUTHORITY, AS IT LIES SCATTER'D IN THE SEVERAL PARTS OF HIS WRITINGS. AND FIRST, AS IT WAS VESTED IN ADAM, HE SAYS, NOT ONLY ADAM, BUT THE SUCCEEDING PATRIARCHS, HAD BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD ROYAL AUTHORITY OVER THEIR CHILDREN, P. 12. THIS LORDSHIP WHICH ADAM BY COMMAND HAD OVER THE WHOLE WORLD, AND BY RIGHT DESCENDING FROM HIM THE PATRIARCHS DID ENJOY, WAS AS LARGE AND AMPLE AS THE ABSOLUTE DOMINION OF ANY MONARCH WHICH HATH BEEN SINCE THE CREATION, P. 13. DOMINION OF LIFE AND DEATH, MAKING WAR, AND CONCLUDING PEACE, P. 13. ADAM AND THE PATRIARCHS HAD ABSOLUTE POWER OF LIFE AND DEATH, P. 35. KINGS, IN THE RIGHT OF PARENTS, SUCCEED TO THE EXERCISE OF SUPREME JURISDICTION, P. 19. AS KINGLY POWER IS BY THE LAW OF GOD, SO IT HATH NO INFERIOR LAW TO LIMIT IT, ADAM WAS LORD OF ALL, P. 40. THE FATHER O F A FAMILY GOVERNS BY NO OTHER LAW, THAN BY HIS OWN WILL, P. 78. THE SUPERIORITY OF PRINCES IS ABOVE LAWS, P. 79. THE UNLIMITED JURISDICTION OF KINGS IS SO AMPLY DESCRIBED BY SAMUEL, P. 80. KINGS ARE ABOVE THE LAWS, P. 93. AND TO THIS PURPOSE, SEE A GREAT DEAL MORE WHICH OUR A DELIVERS IN BODIN'S WORDS: IT IS CERTAIN, THAT ALL LAWS, PRIVILEDGES, AND GRANTS OF PRINCES, HAVE NO FORCE, BUT DURING THEIR LIFE; IF THEY BE NOT RATIFIED BY THE EXPRESS CONSENT, OR BY SUFF ERANCE OF THE PRINCE FOLLOWING, ESPECIALLY PRIVILEDGES, O. P. 279. THE REASON WHY LAWS HAVE BEEN ALSO MADE BY KINGS, WAS THIS; WHEN KINGS WERE EITHER BUSIED WITH WARS, OR DISTRACTED WITH PUBLIC CARES, SO THAT EVERY PRIVATE MAN COULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR PERSONS, TO LEARN THEIR WILLS AND PLEASURE, THEN WERE LAWS OF NECESSITY INVENTED, THAT SO EVERY PARTICULAR SUBJECT MIGHT FIND HIS PRINCE'S PLEASURE DECYPHER'D UNTO HIM IN THE TABLES OF HIS LAWS, P. 92. IN A MONARCHY, THE KING MUST BY NECESSITY BE ABOVE THE LAWS, P. 100. A PERFECT KINGDOM IS THAT, WHEREIN THE KING RULES ALL THINGS ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WILL, P. 106. NEITHER COMMON NOR STATUTE LAWS ARE, OR CAN BE, ANY DIMINUTION OF THAT GENERAL POWER, WHICH KINGS HAVE OVER THEIR PEOPLE BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD, P. 115. ADAM WAS THE FATHER, KING, AND LORD OVER HIS FAMILY; A SON, A SUBJECT, AND A SERVANT OR SLAVE, WERE ONE AND THE SAME THING AT FIRST. THE FATHER HAD POWER TO DISPOSE OR SELL HIS CHILDREN OR SERVANTS, WHENCE WE FIND, THAT AT THE FIRST RECKONING UP OF GOODS IN SCRIPTURE, THE MAN-SERVANT, AND THE MAID-SERVANT, ARE NUMBRED AMONG THE POSSESSIONS AND SUBSTANCE OF THE OWNER, AS OTHER GOODS WERE, O. PRAEF. GOD ALSO HATH GIVEN TO THE FATHER A RIGHT OR LIBERTY, TO ALIEN HIS POWER OVER HIS CHILDREN TO ANY OTHER, WHENCE WE FIND THE SALE AND GIFT OF CHILDREN TO HAVE BEEN MUCH IN USE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD, WHEN MEN HAD THEIR SERVANTS FOR A POSSESSION AND AN INHERITANCE, AS WELL AS OTHER GOODS, WHEREUPON WE FIND THE POWER OF CASTRATING AND MAKING EUNUCHS MUCH IN USE IN OLD TIMES, O. P. 155. LAW IS NOTHING ELSE BUT THE WILL OF HIM THAT HATH THE POWER OF THE SUPREAM FATHER, O. P. 223. IT WAS GOD'S ORDINANCE THAT THE SUPREMACY SHOULD BE UNLIMITED IN ADAM, AND AS LARGE AS ALL THE ACTS OF HIS WILL, AND AS IN HIM, SO IN ALL OTHERS THAT HAVE SUPREAM POWER, O. P. 245.

§ 9. I HAVE BEEN FAIN TO TROUBLE MY READER WITH THESE SEVERAL QUOTATIONS IN OUR A—'S OWN WORDS, THAT IN THEM MIGHT BE SEEN HIS OWN DESCRIPTION OF HIS FATHERLY AUTHORITY, AS IT LIES SCATTER'D UP AND DOWN IN HIS WRITINGS, WHICH HE SUPPOSES WAS FIRST VESTED IN ADAM, AND BY RIGHT BELONGS TO ALL PRINCES EVER SINCE. THIS FATHERLY AUTHORITY THEN, OR RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD, IN OUR A—'S SENCE IS A DIVINE UNALTERABLE RIGHT OF SOVEREIGNTY, WHEREBY A FATHER OR A PRINCE HATH AN ABSOLUTE, ARBITRARY, UNLIMITED, AND UNLIMITABLE POWER, OVER THE LIVES, LIBERTIES, AND ESTATES OF HIS CHILDREN AND SUBJECTS; SO THAT HE MAY TAKE OR ALIENATE THEIR ESTATES, SELL, CASTRATE, OR USE THEIR PERSONS AS HE PLEASES, THEY BEING ALL HIS SLAVES, AND HE LORD OR PROPRIETOR OF EVERY THING, AND HIS UNBOUNDED WILL THEIR LAW.

§ 10. OUR A— HAVING PLACED SUCH A MIGHTY POWER IN ADAM, AND UPON THAT SUPPOSITION, FOUNDED ALL GOVERNMENT, AND ALL POWER OF PRINCES, IT IS REASONABLE TO EXPECT, THAT HE SHOULD HAVE PROVED THIS WITH ARGUMENTS CLEAR AND EVIDENT, SUITABLE TO THE WEIGHTINESS OF THE CAUSE. THAT SINCE MEN HAD NOTHING ELSE LEFT THEM, THEY MIGHT IN SLAVERY HAVE SUCH UNDENIABLE PROOFS OF ITS NECESSITY, THAT THEIR CONSCIENCES MIGHT BE CONVINCED, AND OBLIGE THEM TO SUBMIT PEACEABLY TO THAT ABSOLUTE DOMINION, WHICH THEIR GOVERNORS HAD A RIGHT TO EXERCISE OVER THEM. WITHOUT THIS, WHAT GOOD COULD OUR A DO, OR PRETEND TO DO, BY ERECTING SUCH AN UNLIMITED POWER, BUT FLATTER THE NATURAL VANITY AND AMBITION OF MEN, TOO APT OF IT SELF TO GROW AND ENCREASE WITH THE POSSESSION OF ANY POWER? AND BY PERSWADING THOSE, WHO, BY THE CONSENT OF THEIR FELLOW-MEN, ARE ADVANCED TO GREAT, BUT LIMITED DEGREES OF IT, THAT BY THAT PART WHICH IS GIVEN THEM, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO ALL, THAT WAS NOT SO; AND THEREFORE MAY DO WHAT THEY PLEASE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE AUTHORITY TO DO MORE THEN OTHERS, AND SO TEMPT THEM TO DO WHAT IS NEITHER FOR THEIR OWN, NOR THE GOOD OF THOSE UNDER THEIR CARE, WHEREBY GREAT MISCHIEFS CANNOT BUT FOLLOW.

§ 11. THE SOVEREIGNTY OF ADAM, BEING THAT ON WHICH, AS A SURE BASIS, OUR A BUILDS HIS MIGHTY ABSOLUTE MONARCHY, I EXPECTED, THAT, IN HIS PATRIARCHA, THIS HIS MAIN SUPPOSITION WOULD HAVE BEEN PROVED AND ESTABLISHED WITH ALL THAT EVIDENCE OF ARGUMENTS, THAT SUCH A FUNDAMENTAL TENET REQUIRED; AND THAT THIS, ON WHICH THE GREAT STRESS OF THE BUSINESS DEPENDS, WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE OUT WITH REASONS SUFFICIENT TO JUSTIFIE THE CONFIDENCE WITH WHICH IT WAS ASSUMED. BUT IN ALL THAT TREATISE, I COULD FIND VERY LITTLE TENDING THAT WAY; THE THING IS THERE SO TAKEN FOR GRANTED WITHOUT PROOF, THAT I COULD SCARCE BELIEVE MY SELF, WHEN UPON ATTENTIVE READING THAT TREATISE, I FOUND THERE SO MIGHTY A STRUCTURE RAIS'D UPON THE BARE SUPPOSITION OF THIS FOUNDATION. FOR IT IS SCARCE CREDIBLE, THAT IN A DISCOURSE WHERE HE PRETENDS TO CONFUTE THE ERRONEOUS PRINCIPLE OF MAN'S NATURAL FREEDOM, HE SHOULD DOE IT BY A BARE SUPPOSITION OF ADAM'S AUTHORITY, WITHOUT OFFERING ANY PROOF FOR THAT AUTHORITY. INDEED HE CONFIDENTLY SAYS, THAT ADAM HAD ROYAL AUTHORITY. P. 12, AND 13. ABSOLUTE LORDSHIP AND DOMINION OF LIFE AND DEATH, P. 13. AN UNIVERSAL MONARCHY, P. 33. ABSOLUTE POWER OF LIFE AND DEATH, P. 35. HE IS VERY FREQUENT IN SUCH ASSERTIONS, BUT WHAT IS STRANGE IN ALL HIS WHOLE PATRIARCHA, I FIND NOT ONE PRETENCE OF A REASON TO ESTABLISH THIS HIS GREAT FOUNDATION OF GOVERNMENT; NOT ANY THING THAT LOOKS LIKE AN ARGUMENT, BUT THESE WORDS: TO CONFIRM THIS NATURAL RIGHT OF REGAL POWER, WE FIND IN THE DECALOGUE, THAT THE LAW WHICH INJOYNS OBEDIENCE TO KINGS, IS DELIVERED IN THE TERMS, HONOUR THY FATHER, AS IF ALL POWER WERE ORIGINALLY IN THE FATHER. AND WHY MAY I NOT ADD AS WELL, THAT IN THE DECALOGUE, THE LAW THAT ENJOYNS OBEDIENCE TO QUEENS, IS DELIVERED IN THE TERMS OF HONOUR THY MOTHER, AS IF ALL POWER WERE ORIGINALLY IN THE MOTHER? THE ARGUMENT, AS SIR ROBERT PUTS IT, WILL HOLD AS WELL FOR ONE AS T'OTHER. BUT OF THIS, MORE IN ITS DUE PLACE.

§ 12. ALL THAT I TAKE NOTICE OF HERE, IS, THAT THIS IS ALL OUR. A SAYS IN THIS FIRST, OR ANY OF THE FOLLOWING CHAPTERS, TO PROVE THE ABSOLUTE POWER OF ADAM, WHICH IS HIS GREAT PRINCIPLE; AND YET, AS IF HE HAD THERE SETTLED IT UPON SURE DEMONSTRATION, HE BEGINS HIS 2D CHAPTER WITH THESE WORDS, BY CONFERRING THESE PROOFS AND REASONS, DRAWN FROM THE AUTHORITY OF THE SCRIPTURE. WHERE THOSE PROOFS AND REASONS FOR ADAM'S SOVEREIGNTY ARE, BATING THAT OF HONOUR THY FATHER ABOVE MENTIONED, I CONFESS, I CANNOT FIND, UNLESS WHAT HE SAYS, P. 11. IN THESE WORDS WE HAVE AN EVIDENT CONFESSION, VIZ. OF BELLARMINE, THAT CREATION MADE MAN PRINCE OF HIS POSTERITY, MUST BE TAKEN FOR PROOFS AND REASONS DRAWN FROM SCRIPTURE, OR FOR ANY SORT OF PROOF AT ALL: THOUGH FROM THENCE BY A NEW WAY OF INFERENCE IN THE WORDS, IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING, HE CONCLUDES THE ROYAL AUTHORITY OF ADAM, SUFFICIENTLY SETTLED IN HIM.

§ 13. IF HE HAS IN THAT CHAPTER, OR ANY WHERE IN THE WHOLE TREATISE, GIVEN ANY OTHER PROOFS OF ADAM'S ROYAL AUTHORITY, OTHER THAN BY OFTEN REPEATING IT, WHICH, AMONG SOME MEN, GOES FOR ARGUMENT, I DESIRE ANY BODY FOR HIM TO SPEW ME THE PLACE AND PAGE, THAT I MAY BE CONVINCED OF MY MISTAKE, AND ACKNOWLEDGE MY OVERSIGHT. IF NO SUCH ARGUMENTS ARE TO BE FOUND, I BESEECH THOSE MEN, WHO HAVE SO MUCH CRYED UP THIS BOOK, TO CONSIDER WHETHER THEY DO NOT GIVE THE WORLD CAUSE TO SUSPECT, THAT IT'S NOT THE FORCE OF REASON AND ARGUMENT, THAT MAKES THEM FOR ABSOLUTE MONARCHY, BUT SOME OTHER BY INTEREST, AND THEREFORE ARE RESOLVED TO APPLAUD ANY AUTHOR, THAT WRITES IN FAVOUR. OF THIS DOCTRINE, WHETHER HE SUPPORT IT WITH REASON OR NO. BUT I HOPE THEY DO NOT EXPECT THAT RATIONAL AND INDIFFERENT MEN SHOULD BE BROUGHT OVER TO THEIR OPINION, BECAUSE THIS THEIR GREAT DR. OF IT, IN A DISCOURSE MADE ON PURPOSE, TO SET UP THE ABSOLUTE MONARCHICAL POWER OF ADAM, IN OPPOSITION TO THE NATURAL FREEDOM OF MANKIND, HAS SAID SO LITTLE TO PROVE IT, FROM WHENCE IT IS RATHER NATURALLY TO BE CONCLUDED, THAT THERE IS LITTLE TO BE SAID.

§ 14. BUT, THAT I MIGHT OMIT NO CARE TO INFORM MY SELF IN OUR A—'S FULL SENSE, I CONSULTED HIS OBSERVATIONS ON ARISTOTLE, HOBS, &C. TO SEE WHETHER IN DISPUTING WITH OTHERS HE MADE USE OF ANY ARGUMENTS, FOR THIS HIS DARLING TENET OF ADAM'S SOVEREIGNTY, SINCE IN HIS TREATISE OF THE NATURAL POWER OF KINGS, HE BATH BEEN SO SPARING OF THEM. IN HIS OBSERVATIONS ON MR. HOB'S LEVIATHAN, I THINK HE HAS PUT, IN SHORT, ALL THOSE ARGUMENTS FOR IT TOGETHER, WHICH IN HIS WRITINGS I FIND HIM ANY WHERE TO MAKE USE OF; HIS WORDS ARE THESE. IF GOD CREATED ONLY ADAM, AND OF A PIECE OF HIM MADE THE WOMAN, AND IF BY GENERATION FROM THEM TWO, AS PARTS OF THEM ALL MANKIND BE PROPAGATED: IF ALSO GOD GAVE TO ADAM NOT ONLY THE DOMINION OVER THE WOMAN AND THE CHILDREN THAT SHOULD ISSUE FROM THEM, BUT ALSO OVER THE WHOLE EARTH TO SUBDUE IT, AND OVER ALL THE CREATURES ON IT, SO THAT AS LONG AS ADAM LIVED, NO MAN COULD CLAIM OR ENJOY ANY THING BUT BY DONATION, ASSIGNATION, OR PERMISSION FROM HIM, I WONDER, &C. O. 165. HERE WE HAVE THE SUM OF ALL HIS ARGUMENTS, FOR ADAM'S SOVEREIGNTY, AND AGAINST NATURAL FREEDOM, WHICH I FIND UP AND DOWN IN HIS OTHER TREATISES; AND THEY ARE THESE FOLLOWING; GOD'S CREATION OF ADAM, THE DOMINION HE GAVE HIM OVER EVE: AND THE DOMINION HE HAD AS FATHER OVER HIS CHILDREN, ALL WHICH I SHALL PARTICULARLY CONSIDER.

BOOK I, CHAPTER 3 OF ADAM'S TITLE TO SOVEREIGNTY BY CREATION

§ 15. SIR ROBERT IN HIS PREFACE TO HIS OBSERVATIONS ON ARISTOTLE'S POLITICKS, TELLS US, A NATURAL FREEDOM OF MANKIND CANNOT BE SUPPOSED WITHOUT THE DENIAL OF THE CREATION OF ADAM: BUT HOW ADAM'S BEING CREATED, WHICH WAS NOTHING BUT HIS RECEIVING A BEING IMMEDIATELY FROM OMNIPOTENCY, AND THE HAND OF GOD, GAVE ADAM A SOVEREIGNTY OVER ANY THING, I CANNOT SEE, NOR CONSEQUENTLY UNDERSTAND, HOW A SUPPOSITION OF NATURAL FREEDOM IS A DENIAL OF ADAM'S CREATION, AND WOULD BE GLAD ANY BODY ELSE (SINCE OUR A DID NOT VOUCHSAFE US THE FAVOUR) WOULD MAKE IT OUT FOR HIM. FOR I FIND NO DIFFICULTY TO SUPPOSE THE FREEDOM OF MANKIND, THOUGH I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED THE CREATION OF ADAM; HE WAS CREATED, OR BEGAN TO EXIST, BY GOD'S' IMMEDIATE POWER, WITHOUT THE INTERVENTION OF PARENTS OR THE PRE-EXISTENCE OF ANY OF THE SAME SPECIES TO BEGET HIM, WHEN IT PLEASED GOD HE SHOULD; AND SO DID THE LION, THE KINGS OF BEASTS BEFORE HIM, BY THE SAME CREATING POWER OF GOD: AND IF BARE EXISTENCE BY THAT POWER, AND IN THAT WAY, WILL GIVE DOMINION, WITHOUT ANY MORE ADO, OUR A—, BY THIS ARGUMENT, WILL MAKE THE LION HAVE AS GOOD A TITLE TO IT AS HE, AND CERTAINLY THE ANCIENTER. NO! FOR ADAM HAD HIS TITLE BY THE APPOINTMENT OF GOD, SAYS OUR A IN ANOTHER PLACE. THEN BARE CREATION GAVE HIM NOT DOMINION, AND ONE MIGHT HAVE SUPPOSED MANKIND FREE WITHOUT DENYING THE CREATION OF ADAM SINCE 'TWAS GOD'S APPOINTMENT MADE HIM MONARCH.

§ 16. BUT LET US SEE, HOW HE PUTS HIS CREATION AND THIS APPOINTMENT TOGETHER. BY THE APPOINTMENT OF GOD, SAYS SIR ROBERT, AS SOON AS ADAM WAS CREATED HE WAS MONARCH OF THE WORLD, THOUGH HE HAD NO SUBJECTS, FOR THOUGH THERE COULD NOT BE ACTUAL GOVERNMENT TILL THERE WERE SUBJECTS, YET BY THE RIGHT OF NATURE IT WAS DUE TO ADAM TO BE GOVERNOR OF HIS POSTERITY: THOUGH NOT IN ACT, YET AT LEAST IN HABIT, ADAM WAS A KING FROM HIS CREATION. I WISH HE HAD TOLD US HERE WHAT HE MEANT BY GOD'S APPOINTMENT. FOR WHATSOEVER PROVIDENCE ORDERS, OR THE LAW OF NATURE DIRECTS, OR POSITIVE REVELATION DECLARES, MAY. BE SAID TO BE BY GOD'S APPOINTMENT, BUT I SUPPOSE IT CANNOT BE MEANT HERE IN THE FIRST SENSE, I.E. BY PROVIDENCE; BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE TO SAY NO MORE, BUT THAT AS SOON AS ADAM WAS CREATED HE WAS DE FACTO MONARCH, BECAUSE BY RIGHT OF NATURE IT WAS DUE TO ADAM, TO BE GOVERNOR OF HIS POSTERITY. BUT HE COULD NOT DE FACTO BE BY PROVIDENCE CONSTITUTED THE GOVERNOR OF THE WORLD AT A TIME, WHEN THERE WAS ACTUALLY NO GOVERNMENT, NO SUBJECTS TO BE GOVERNED, WHICH OUR A HERE CONFESSES. MONARCH OF THE WORLD IS ALSO DIFFERENTLY USED BY OUR AUTHOR, FOR SOMETIMES HE MEANS BY IT A PROPRIETOR OF ALL THE WORLD EXCLUSIVE OF THE REST OF MANKIND, AND THUS HE DOES IN THE SAME PAGE OF HIS PREFACE BEFORE CITED, ADAM, SAYS HE, BEING COMMANDED TO MULTIPLY AND PEOPLE THE EARTH AND TO SUBDUE IT, AND HAVING DOMINION GIVEN HIM OVER ALL CREATURES, WAS THEREBY THE MONARCH OF THE WHOLE WORLD, NONE OF HIS POSTERITY HAD ANY RIGHT TO POSSESS ANY THING BUT BY HIS GRANT OR PERMISSION, OR BY SUCCESSION FROM HIM. 2. LET US UNDERSTAND THEN BY MONARCH PROPRIETOR OF THE WORLD, AND BY APPOINTMENT GOD'S ACTUAL DONATION, AND REVEALED POSITIVE GRANT MADE TO ADAM, 1 GEN. 28. AS WE SEE SIR ROBERT HIMSELF DOES IN THIS PARALLEL PLACE, AND THEN HIS ARGUMENT WILL STAND THUS, BY THE POSITIVE GRANT OF GOD; AS SOON AS ADAM WAS CREATED, HE WAS PROPRIETOR OF THE WORLD, BECAUSE BY THE RIGHT OF NATURE IT WAS DUE TO ADAM TO BE GOVERNOR OF HIS POSTERITY. IN WHICH WAY OF ARGUING THERE ARE TWO MANIFEST FALSHOODS. FIRST, IT IS FALSE THAT GOD MADE THAT GRANT TO ADAM, AS SOON AS HE WAS CREATED, SINCE THOUGH IT STANDS IN THE TEXT IMMEDIATELY . AFTER HIS CREATION, YET IT IS PLAIN IT COULD NOT BE SPOKEN TO ADAM TILL AFTER EVE WAS MADE AND BROUGHT TO HIM, AND HOW THEN COULD HE BE MONARCH BY APPOINTMENT AS SOON AS CREATED, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE CALLS, IF I MISTAKE NOT, THAT WHICH GOD SAYS TO EVE, 3 GEN. 16: THE ORIGINAL GRANT OF GOVERNMENT, WHICH NOT BEING TILL AFTER THE FALL, WHEN ADAM WAS SOMEWHAT, AT LEAST IN TIME, AND VERY MUCH, DISTANT IN CONDITION FROM HIS CREATION, I CANNOT SEE, HOW OUR A CAN SAY IN THIS SENSE, THAT BY GOD'S APPOINTMENT, AS SOON AS ADAM WAS CREATED HE WAS MONARCH OF THE WORLD. SECONDLY, WERE IT TRUE THAT GOD'S ACTUAL DONATION APPOINTED ADAM MONARCH OF THE WORLD AS SOON AS HE WAS CREATED, YET THE REASON HERE GIVEN FOR IT WOULD NOT PROVE IT, BUT IT WOULD ALWAYS BE A FALSE INFERENCE, THAT GOD, BY A POSITIVE DONATION APPOINTED ADAM MONARCH OF THE WORLD, BECAUSE BY RIGHT OF NATURE IT WAS DUE TO ADAM TO BE GOVERNOR OF HIS POSTERITY: FOR HAVING GIVEN HIM THE RIGHT OF GOVERNMENT BY NATURE, THERE WAS NO NEED OF A POSITIVE DONATION, AT LEAST IT WILL NEVER BE A PROOF OF SUCH A DONATION.

§ 17. ON THE OTHER SIDE THE MATTER WILL NOT BE MUCH MENDED, IF WE UNDERSTAND BY GOD'S APPOINTMENT THE LAW OF NATURE, (THOUGH IT BE A PRETTY HARSH EXPRESSION FOR IT IN THIS PLACE) AND BY MONARCH OF THE WORLD, SOVEREIGN RULER OF MANKIND; FOR THEN THE SENTENCE UNDER CONSIDERATION MUST RUN THUS: BY THE LAW OF NATURE, AS SOON AS ADAM WAS CREATED HE WAS GOVERNOR OF MANKIND, FOR BY RIGHT OF NATURE IT WAS DUE TO ADAM TO BE GOVERNOR OF HIS POSTERITY, WHICH AMOUNTS TO THIS, HE WAS GOVERNOR BY RIGHT OF NATURE, BECAUSE HE WAS GOVERNOR BY RIGHT OF NATURE. BUT SUPPOSING WE SHOULD GRANT, THAT A MAN IS BY NATURE GOVERNOR OF HIS CHILDREN, ADAM COULD NOT HEREBY BE MONARCH AS SOON AS CREATED, FOR THIS RIGHT OF NATURE BEING FOUNDED IN HIS BEING THEIR FATHER, HOW ADAM COULD HAVE A NATURAL RIGHT TO BE GOVERNOR BEFORE HE WAS A FATHER, WHEN BY BEING A FATHER ONLY HE HAD THAT RIGHT, IS, METHINKS, HARD TO CONCEIVE, UNLESS HE WILL HAVE HIM TO BE A FATHER BEFORE HE WAS A FATHER, AND TO HAVE A TITLE BEFORE HE HAD IT.

§ 18. TO THIS FORESEEN OBJECTION, OUR A— ANSWERS VERY LOGICALLY, HE WAS GOVERNOR IN HABIT, AND NOT IN ACT: A VERY PRETTY WAY OF BEING A GOVERNOUR WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, A FATHER WITHOUT CHILDREN, AND A KING WITHOUT SUBJECTS. AND THUS SIR ROBERT WAS AN AUTHOR BEFORE HE WRIT HIS BOOK, NOT IN ACT 'TIS TRUE, BUT IN HABIT, FOR WHEN HE HAD ONCE PUBLISH'D IT, IT WAS DUE TO HIM BY THE RIGHT OF NATURE, TO BE AN AUTHOR, AS MUCH AS IT WAS TO ADAM TO BE GOVERNOR OF HIS CHILDREN WHEN HE HAD BEGOT THEM; AND IF TO BE SUCH A MONARCH OF THE WORLD, AN ABSOLUTE MONARCH IN HABIT, BUT NOT IN ACT, WILL SERVE THE TURN, I SHOULD NOT MUCH ENVY IT TO ANY OF SIR ROBERT'S FRIENDS THAT HE THOUGHT FIT GRACIOUSLY TO BESTOW IT UPON, THO' EVEN THIS OF ACT AND HABIT, IF IT SIGNIFIED ANY THING BUT OUR A—'S SKILL IN DISTINCTIONS, BE NOT TO HIS PURPOSE IN THIS PLACE. FOR THE QUESTION IS NOT HERE ABOUT ADAM'S ACTUAL EXERCISE OF GOVERNMENT, BUT ACTUALLY HAVING A TITLE TO BE GOVERNOR: GOVERNMENT, SAYS OUR A—, WAS DUE TO ADAM BY THE RIGHT OF NATURE. WHAT IS THIS RIGHT OF NATURE? A RIGHT FATHERS HAVE OVER THEIR CHILDREN BY BEGETTING THEM; GENERATIONE JUS ACQUIRITUR PARENTIBUS IN LIBEROS, SAYS OUR A OUT OF GROTIUS, O. 223. THE RIGHT THEN FOLLOWS THE BEGETTING AS ARISING FROM IT, SO THAT ACCORDING TO THIS WAY OF REASONING OR DISTINGUISHING OF OUR A—, ADAM, AS SOON AS HE WAS CREATED, HAD A TITLE ONLY IN HABIT, AND NOT IN ACT, WHICH IN PLAIN ENGLISH IS, HE HAD ACTUALLY NO TITLE AT ALL.

§ 19. TO SPEAK LESS LEARNEDLY, AND MORE INTELLIGIBLY, ONE MAY SAY OF ADAM, HE WAS IN A POSSIBILITY OF BEING GOVERNOR, SINCE IT WAS POSSIBLE HE MIGHT BEGET CHILDREN, AND THEREBY ACQUIRE THAT RIGHT OF NATURE, BE IT WHAT IT WILL, TO GOVERN THEM, THAT ACCRUES FROM THENCE, BUT WHAT CONNECTION HAS THIS WITH ADAM'S CREATION, TO MAKE HIM SAY, THAT AS SOON AS HE WAS CREATED, HE WAS MONARCH OF THE WORLD? FOR IT MAY BE AS WELL SAID OF NOAH, THAT AS SOON AS HE WAS BORN, HE WAS MONARCH OF THE WORLD, SINCE HE WAS IN POSSIBILITY (WHICH IN OUR A—'S SENSE IS ENOUGH TO MAKE A MONARCH, A MONARCH IN HABIT,) TO OUTLIVE ALL MANKIND BUT HIS OWN POSTERITY. WHAT SUCH NECESSARY CONNECTION THERE IS BETWIXT ADAM'S CREATION AND HIS RIGHT TO GOVERNMENT, SO THAT A NATURAL FREEDOM OF MANKIND CANNOT BE SUPPOSED WITHOUT THE DENIAL OF THE CREATION OF ADAM, I CONFESS FOR MY PART I DO NOT SEE; NOR HOW THOSE WORDS, BY THE APPOINTMENT, &C. O. 254. HOW EVER EXPLAIN'D, CAN BE PUT TOGETHER TO MAKE ANY TOLERABLE SENSE, AT LEAST TO ESTABLISH THIS POSITION, WITH WHICH THEY END,. VIZ. ADAM WAS A KING FROM HIS CREATION; A KING, SAYS OUR A—, NOT IN ACT, BUT IN HABIT, I.E. ACTUALLY NO KING AT ALL.

§ 20. I FEAR I HAVE TIRED MY READER'S PATIENCE, BY DWELLING LONGER ON THIS PASSAGE THAN THE WEIGHTINESS OF ANY ARGUMENT IN IT, SEEMS TO REQUIRE: BUT I HAVE UNAVOIDABLY BEEN ENGAGED IN IT BY OUR A—'S WAY OF WRITING, WHO HUDLING SEVERAL SUPPOSITIONS TOGETHER, AND THAT IN DOUBTFUL AND GENERAL TERMS MAKES SUCH A MEDLY AND CONFUSION, THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SHEW HIS MISTAKES, WITHOUT EXAMINING THE SEVERAL SENSES, WHEREIN HIS WORDS MAY BE TAKEN, AND WITHOUT SEEING HOW, IN ANY OF THESE VARIOUS MEANINGS, THEY WILL CONSIST TOGETHER, AND HAVE ANY TRUTH IN THEM; FOR IN THIS PRESENT PASSAGE BEFORE US, HOW CAN ANY ONE ARGUE AGAINST THIS POSITION OF HIS, THAT ADAM WAS A KING FROM HIS CREATION, UNLESS ONE EXAMINE, WHETHER THE WORDS, FROM HIS CREATION, BE TO BE TAKEN, AS THEY MAY, FOR THE TIME OF THE COMMENCEMENT OF HIS GOVERNMENT, AS THE FOREGOING WORDS IMPORT, AS SOON AS HE WAS CREATED HE WAS MONARCH, OR, FOR THE CAUSE OF IT, AS HE SAYS, P. 11. CREATION MADE MAN PRINCE OF HIS POSTERITY? HOW FARTHER CAN ONE JUDGE OF THE TRUTH OF HIS BEING THUS KING, TILL ONE HAS EXAMINED WHETHER KING BE TO BE TAKEN, AS THE WORDS IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS PASSAGE WOULD PERSWADE, ON SUPPOSITION OF HIS PRIVATE DOMINION, WHICH WAS BY GOD'S POSITIVE GRANT, MONARCH OF THE WORLD BY APPOINTMENT; OR KING ON SUPPOSITION OF HIS FATHERLY POWER OVER HIS OFF-SPRING WHICH WAS BY NATURE, DUE BY THE RIGHT OF NATURE, WHETHER, I SAY, KING BE TO BE TAKEN IN BOTH, OR ONE ONLY OF THESE TWO SENSES, OR IN NEITHER OF THEM, BUT ONLY THIS, THAT CREATION MADE HIM PRINCE, IN A WAY DIFFERENT FROM BOTH THE OTHER? FOR THOUGH THIS ASSERTION, THAT ADAM WAS KING FROM HIS CREATION, BE TRUE IN NO SENSE, YET IT STANDS HERE AS AN EVIDENT CONCLUSION DRAWN FROM THE PRECEDING WORDS, THOUGH IN TRUTH IT BE BUT A BARE ASSERTION JOYN'D TO OTHER ASSERTIONS OF THE SAME KIND, WHICH CONFIDENTLY PUT TOGETHER IN WORDS OF UNDETERMINED AND DUBIOUS MEANING, LOOK LIKE A SORT OF ARGUING, WHEN THERE IS INDEED NEITHER PROOF NOR CONNECTION: A WAY VERY FAMILIAR WITH OUR A, OF WHICH HAVING GIVEN THE READER A TASTE HERE, I SHALL, AS MUCH AS THE ARGUMENT WILL PERMIT ME, AVOID TOUCHING ON HEREAFTER, AND SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE IT HERE, WERE IT NOT TO LET THE WORLD SEE, HOW INCOHERENCIES IN MATTER, AND SUPPOSITIONS WITHOUT PROOFS PUT HANDSOMLY TOGETHER IN GOOD WORDS AND A PLAUSIBLE STYLE, ARE APT TO PASS FOR STRONG REASON AND GOOD SENSE, TILL THEY COME TO BE LOOK'D INTO WITH ATTENTION.

BOOK I, CHAPTER 4 OF ADAM'S TITLE TO SOVEREIGNTY BY DONATION

§ 21. HAVING AT LAST GOT THROUGH THE FOREGOING PASSAGE, WHERE WE HAVE BEEN SO LONG DETAIN'D, NOT BY THE FORCE OF ARGUMENTS AND OPPOSITION, BUT THE INTRICACY OF THE WORDS, AND THE DOUBTFULNESS OF THE MEANING; LET US GO ON TO HIS NEXT ARGUMENT, FOR ADAM'S SOVEREIGNTY. OUR A— TELLS US IN THE WORDS OF. MR. SELDEN, THAT ADAM BY DONATION FROM GOD, GEN. 1. 28. WAS MADE THE GENERAL LORD OF ALL THINGS, NOT WITHOUT SUCH A PRIVATE DOMINION TO HIMSELF, AS WITHOUT HIS GRANT DID EXCLUDE HIS CHILDREN. THIS DETERMINATION OF MR. SELDEN, SAYS OUR A—, IS CONSONANT TO THE HISTORY OF THE BIBLE, AND NATURAL REASON, O. 210. AND IN HIS PREF. TO HIS OBS: ON ARIST. HE SAYS THUS; THE FIRST GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD WAS MONARCHICAL IN THE FATHER OF ALL FLESH, ADAM BEING COMMANDED TO MULTIPLY AND PEOPLE THE EARTH, AND TO SUBDUE IT, AND HAVING DOMINION GIVEN HIM OVER ALL CREATURES, WAS THEREBY THE MONARCH OF THE WHOLE WORLD, NONE OF HIS POSTERITY HAD ANY RIGHT TO POSSESS ANY THING, BUT BY HIS GRANT OR PERMISSION, OR BY SUCCESSION FROM HIM; THE EARTH, SAITH THE PSALMIST, HATH HE GIVEN TO THE CHILDREN OF MEN, WHICH SHEWS THE TITLE COMES FROM FATHERHOOD.

§ 22. BEFORE I EXAMINE THIS ARGUMENT, AND THE TEXT ON WHICH IT IS FOUNDED, IT IS NECESSARY TO DESIRE THE READER TO OBSERVE, THAT OUR A—, ACCORDING TO HIS USUAL METHOD, BEGINS IN ONE SENSE, AND CONCLUDES IN ANOTHER - HE BEGINS HERE WITH ADAM'S PROPRIETY, OR PRIVATE DOMINION, BY DONATION; AND HIS CONCLUSION IS, WHICH SHEWS THE TITLE COMES FROM FATHERHOOD.

§ 23. BUT LET US SEE THE ARGUMENT. THE WORDS OF THE TEXT ARE THESE; AND GOD BLESSED THEM, AND GOD SAID UNTO THEM, BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY AND REPLENISH THE EARTH AND SUBDUE IT, AND HAVE DOMINION OVER THE FISH OF THE SEA, AND OVER THE FOWL OF THE AIR, AND OVER EVERY LIVING THING THAT MOVETH UPON THE EARTH, 1 GEN. 28. FROM WHENCE OUR A— CONCLUDES, THAT ADAM, HAVING HERE DOMINION GIVEN HIM OVER ALL CREATURES, WAS THERE BY THE MONARCH OF THE WHOLE WORLD. WHEREBY MUST BE MEANT, THAT EITHER THIS GRANT OF GOD GAVE ADAM PROPERTY, OR AS OUR A— CALLS IT, PRIVATE DOMINION OVER THE EARTH, AND ALL INFERIOR OR IRRATIONAL CREATURES, AND SO CONSEQUENTLY THAT HE WAS THEREBY MONARCH; OR 2 , THAT IT GAVE HIM RULE AND DOMINION OVER ALL EARTHLY CREATURES WHATSOEVER, AND THEREBY OVER HIS CHILDREN, AND SO HE WAS MONARCH: FOR, AS MR. SELDEN HAS PROPERLY WORDED IT, ADAM WAS MADE GENERAL LORD OF ALL THINGS, ONE MAY VERY CLEARLY UNDERSTAND HIM, THAT HE MEANS NOTHING TO BE GRANTED TO ADAM HERE BUT PROPERTY, AND THEREFORE HE SAYS NOT ONE WORD OF ADAM'S MONARCHY. BUT OUR A SAYS, ADAM WAS HEREBY MONARCH OF THE WORLD, WHICH PROPERLY SPEAKING, SIGNIFIES SOVEREIGN RULER OF ALL THE MEN IN THE WORLD, AND SO ADAM, BY THIS GRANT, MUST BE CONSTITUTED SUCH A RULER. IF OUR A MEANS OTHERWISE, HE MIGHT, WITH MUCH MORE CLEARNESS HAVE SAID, THAT ADAM WAS HEREBY PROPRIETOR OF THE WHOLE WORLD. BUT HE BEGS YOUR PARDON IN THAT POINT, CLEAR DISTINCT SPEAKING NOT SERVING EVERY WHERE TO HIS PURPOSE, YOU MUST NOT EXPECT IT IN HIM, AS IN MR. SELDEN, OR OTHER SUCH WRITERS.

§ 24. IN OPPOSITION THEREFORE TO OUR A—'S DOCTRINE, THAT ADAM WAS MONARCH OF THE WHOLE WORLD, FOUNDED ON THIS PLACE, I SHALL SHEW. 1°. THAT BY THIS GRANT, 1 GEN. 28. GOD GAVE NO IMMEDIATE POWER TO ADAM OVER MEN, OVER HIS CHILDREN, OVER THOSE OF HIS OWN SPECIES, AND SO HE WAS NOT MADE RULER, OR MONARCH BY THIS CHARTER. 2°. THAT BY THIS GRANT GOD GAVE HIM NOT PRIVATE DOMINION OVER THE INFERIOR CREATURES, BUT RIGHT IN COMMON WITH ALL MANKIND; SO NEITHER WAS HE MONARCH, UPON THE ACCOUNT OF THE PROPERTY HERE GIVEN HIM.

§ 25. 1. THAT THIS DONATION, 1 GEN. 28. GAVE ADAM NO POWER OVER MEN, WILL APPEAR IF WE CONSIDER THE WORDS OF IT. FOR SINCE ALL POSITIVE GRANTS CONVEY NO MORE THAN THE EXPRESS WORDS THEY ARE MADE IN WILL CARRY, LET US SEE WHICH OF THEM HERE WILL COMPREHEND MANKIND, OR ADAM'S POSTERITY; AND THOSE, I IMAGIN, IF ANY, MUST BE THESE, EVERY LIVING THING THAT MOVETH, THE WORDS IN HEBREW ARE, BESTIAM REPTANTEM, OF WHICH WORDS THE SCRIPTURE IT SELF IS THE BEST INTERPRETER. GOD HAVING CREATED THE FISHES AND FOWLES THE 5TH DAY, THE BEGINNING OF THE 6TH, HE CREATES THE IRRATIONAL INHABITANTS OF THE DRY LAND, WHICH, V. 24. ARE DESCRIBED IN THESE WORDS, LET THE EARTH BRING FORTH THE LIVING CREATURE AFTER HIS KIND, CATTLE AND CREEPING THINGS, AND BEASTS OF THE EARTH, AFTER HIS KIND, AND V. 2 AND GOD MADE THE BEASTS OF THE EARTH AFTER HIS KIND, AND CATTLE AFTER THEIR KIND, AND EVERY THING THAT CREEPETH ON THE EARTH AFTER HIS KIND, HERE IN THE CREATION OF THE BRUTE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH, HE FIRST SPEAKS OF THEM ALL UNDER ONE GENERAL NAME, OF LIVING CREATURES, AND THEN AFTERWARDS DIVIDES THEM INTO THREE RANKS, L. CATTLE, OR SUCH CREATURES AS WERE OR MIGHT BE TAME, AND SO BE THE PRIVATE POSSESSION OF PARTICULAR MEN; 2. IN" 11 WHICH VER. 24 AND 25 IN OUR BIBLE, IS TRANSLATED BEASTS, AND BY THE SEPTUAGINT B71PTA, WILD BEASTS, AND IS THE SAME WORD, THAT HERE IN OUR TEXT, VER. 28. WHERE WE HAVE THIS GREAT CHARTER TO ADAM, IS TRANSLATED LIVING THING, AND IS ALSO THE SAME WORD USED, GEN. 9. 2. WHERE THIS GRANT IS RENEWED TO NOAH, AND THERE LIKEWISE TRANSLATED BEAST, 3. THE THIRD RANK WERE THE CREEPING ANIMALS, WHICH VER. 24 AND 25 ARE COMPRISED UNDER THE WORD, THE SAME THAT IS USED HERE VER. 28. AND IS TRANSLATED MOVING, BUT IN THE FORMER VERSES CREEPING, AND BY THE SEPTUAGINT IN ALL THESE PLACES, REPTILS; FROM WHENCE IT APPEARS THAT THE WORDS WHICH WE TRANSLATE HERE IN GOD'S DONATION, VER. 28. LIVING CREATURES MOVING, ARE THE SAME WHICH IN THE HISTORY OF THE CREATION, VER. 24, 25. SIGNIFY TWO RANKS OF TERRESTRIAL CREATURES, VIZ. WILD BEASTS AND REPTILS, AND ARE SO UNDERSTOOD BY THE SEPTUAGINT.

§ 26. WHEN GOD HAD MADE THE IRRATIONAL ANIMALS OF THE WORLD, DIVIDED INTO THREE KINDS, FROM THE PLACES OF THEIR HABITATION, VIZ. FISHES OF THE SEA, FOWLS OF THE AIR, AND LIVING CREATURES O F THE EARTH, AND THESE AGAIN INTO CATTLE, WILD BEASTS, AND REPTILS, HE CONSIDERS OF MAKING MAN, AND THE DOMINION HE SHOULD HAVE OVER THE TERRESTRIAL WORLD, VER. 26. AND THEN HE RECKONS UP THE INHABITANTS OF THESE THREE KINGDOMS, BUT IN THE TERRESTRIAL, LEAVES OUT THE SECOND RANK 11111, OR WILD BEASTS: BUT HERE, VER. 28. WHERE HE ACTUALLY EXECUTES THIS DESIGN, AND GIVES HIM THIS DOMINION, THE TEXT MENTIONS THE FISHES OF THE SEA, AND FOWLS OF THE AIR, AND THE TERRESTRIAL CREATURES IN THE WORDS, THAT SIGNIFIE THE WILD BEASTS AND REPTILS, THOUGH TRANSLATED LIVING THING THAT MOVETH, LEAVING OUT CATTLE. IN BOTH WHICH PLACES, THOUGH THE WORD THAT SIGNIFIES WILD BEASTS BE OMITTED IN ONE, AND THAT WHICH SIGNIFIES CATTLE IN THE OTHER, YET, SINCE GOD CERTAINLY EXECUTED IN ONE PLACE, WHAT HE DECLARES HE DESIGNED IN THE OTHER, WE CANNOT BUT UNDERSTAND THE SAME IN BOTH PLACES, AND HAVE HERE ONLY AN ACCOUNT, HOW THE TERRESTRIAL IRRATIONAL ANIMALS, WHICH WERE ALREADY CREATED AND RECKON'D UP AT THEIR CREATION, IN THREE DISTINCT RANKS OF CATTLE, WILD BEASTS, AND REPTILS WERE HERE, VER. 28. ACTUALLY PUT UNDER THE DOMINION OF MAN, AS THEY WERE DESIGNED VER. 26. NOR DO THESE WORDS CONTAIN IN THEM THE LEAST APPEARANCE OF ANY THING, THAT CAN BE WRESTED, TO SIGNIFIE GOD'S GIVING TO ONE MAN DOMINION OVER ANOTHER, ADAM OVER HIS POSTERITY.

§ 27. AND THIS FURTHER APPEARS FROM GEN. 9. 2. WHERE GOD RENEWING THIS CHARTER TO NOAH AND HIS SONS, HE GIVES THEM DOMINION OVER THE FOWLS OF THE AIR, AND THE FISHES OF THE SEA, AND THE TERRESTRIAL CREATURES, EXPRESSED BY WILD BEASTS AND REPTILS, THE SAME WORDS THAT IN THE TEXT BEFORE US 1 GEN. 28. ARE TRANSLATED EVERY MOVING THING, THAT MOVETH UPON THE EARTH, WHICH BY NO MEANS CAN COMPREHEND MAN, THE GRANT BEING MADE TO NOAH AND HIS SONS, ALL THE MEN THEN LIVING, AND NOT TO ONE PART OF MEN OVER ANOTHER: WHICH IS YET MORE EVIDENT FROM THE VERY NEXT WORDS VER. 3. WHERE GOD GIVES EVERY MOVING THING, THE VERY WORDS USED CH. 1. 28. TO THEM FOR FOOD. BY ALL WHICH IT IS PLAIN, THAT GOD'S DONATION TO ADAM, CH. 1. 28. AND HIS DESIGNATION, V. 26. AND HIS GRANT AGAIN TO NOAH AND HIS SONS, REFER TO, AND CONTAIN IN THEM, NEITHER MORE NOR LESS, THAN THE WORKS OF THE CREATION THE 5TH DAY, AND THE BEGINNING OF THE 6TH, AS THEY ARE SET DOWN FROM THE 20TH, TO THE 26TH VER. INCLUSIVELY OF THE 1ST CHAP. AND SO COMPREHEND ALL THE SPECIES OF IRRATIONAL ANIMALS OF THE TERRAQUEOUS GLOBE, THOUGH ALL THE WORDS WHEREBY THEY ARE EXPRESSED IN THE HISTORY OF THEIR CREATION, ARE NO WHERE USED IN ANY OF THE FOLLOWING GRANTS, BUT SOME OF THEM OMITTED IN ONE, AND SOME IN ANOTHER. FROM WHENCE I THINK IT IS PAST ALL DOUBT, THAT MAN CANNOT BE COMPREHENDED IN THIS GRANT, NOR ANY DOMINION OVER THOSE OF HIS OWN SPECIES BE CONVEY'D TO ADAM. ALL THE TERRESTRIAL IRRATIONAL CREATURES ARE ENUMERATED AT THEIR CREATION, VER. 25. UNDER THE NAMES, BEASTS OF THE EARTH, CATTLE AND CREEPING THINGS, BUT MAN BEING NOT THEN CREATED, WAS NOT CONTAINED UNDER ANY OF THOSE NAMES, AND THEREFORE, WHETHER WE UNDERSTAND THE HEBREW WORDS RIGHT OR NO, THEY CANNOT BE SUPPOSED TO COMPREHEND MAN IN THE VERY SAME HISTORY, AND THE VERY NEXT VERSES FOLLOWING, ESPECIALLY SINCE THAT HEBREW WORD WHICH IF ANY IN THIS DONATION TO ADAM, CH. 1. 28. MUST COMPREHEND MAN, IS SO PLAINLY USED IN CONTRADISTINCTION TO HIM, AS GEN. 6. 20; 7. 14. 21. 23; GEN. 8. 17; 19. AND IF GOD MADE ALL MANKIND SLAVES TO ADAM AND HIS HEIRS, BY GIVING ADAM DOMINION OVER EVERY LIVING THING THAT MOVETH ON THE EARTH, CHAP. 1. 28. AS OUR A WOULD HAVE IT, METHINKS SIR ROBERT SHOULD HAVE CARRIED HIS MONARCHICAL POWER ONE STEP HIGHER, AND SATISFIED THE WORLD, THAT PRINCES MIGHT EAT THEIR SUBJECTS TOO, SINCE GOD GAVE AS FULL POWER TO NOAH AND HIS HEIRS, CHAP. 9. 2. TO EAT EVERY LIVING THING THAT MOVETH, AS HE DID TO ADAM TO HAVE DOMINION OVER THEM, THE HEBREW WORDS IN BOTH PLACES BEING THE SAME.

§ 28. DAVID, WHO MIGHT BE SUPPOSED TO UNDERSTAND THE DONATION OF GOD IN THIS TEXT, AND THE RIGHT OF KINGS TOO, AS WELL AS OUR A—, IN HIS COMMENT ON THIS PLACE, AS THE LEARNED AND JUDICIOUS AINSWORTH CALLS IT, IN THE 8TH PSALM, FINDS HERE NO SUCH CHARTER OF MONARCHICAL POWER, HIS WORDS ARE, THOU HAST MADE HIM, I.E. MAN THE SON OF MAN, A LITTLE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS, THOU MAD'ST HIM TO HAVE DOMINION OVER THE WORKS OF THY HANDS, THOU HAST PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET, ALL SHEEP AND OXEN AND THE BEASTS OF THE FIELD, AND THE FOWL OF THE AIR, AND FISH OF THE SEA, AND WHATSOEVER PASSETH THROUGH THE PATHS OF THE SEA. IN WHICH WORDS, IF ANY ONE CAN FIND OUT THAT THERE IS MEANT ANY MONARCHICAL POWER OF ONE MAN OVER ANOTHER, BUT ONLY THE DOMINION OF THE WHOLE SPECIES OF MANKIND, OVER THE INFERIOR SPECIES OF CREATURES, HE MAY, FOR OUGHT I KNOW, DESERVE TO BE ONE OF SIR ROBERT'S MONARCHS IN HABIT, FOR THE RARENESS OF THE DISCOVERY. AND BY THIS TIME, I HOPE IT IS EVIDENT, THAT HE THAT GAVE DOMINION OVER EVERY LIVING THING THAT MOVETH ON THE EARTH, GAVE ADAM NO MONARCHICAL POWER OVER THOSE OF HIS OWN SPECIES, WHICH WILL YET APPEAR MORE FULLY IN THE NEXT THING I AM TO SHEW.

§ 29. 2. WHATEVER GOD GAVE BY THE WORDS OF THIS GRANT, 1 GEN. 28. IT WAS NOT TO ADAM IN PARTICULAR, EXCLUSIVE OF ALL OTHER MEN: WHATEVER DOMINION HE HAD THEREBY, IT WAS NOT A PRIVATE DOMINION, BUT A DOMINION IN COMMON WITH THE REST OF MANKIND. THAT THIS DONATION WAS NOT MADE IN PARTICULAR TO ADAM, APPEARS EVIDENTLY FROM THE WORDS OF THE TEXT, IT BEING MADE TO MORE THAN ONE, FOR IT WAS SPOKEN IN THE PLURAL NUMBER, GOD BLESSED THEM, AND SAID UNTO THEM, HAVE DOMINION. GOD SAYS UNTO ADAM AND EVE, HAVE DOMINION; THEREBY, SAYS OUR A., ADAM WAS MONARCH OF THE WORLD: BUT THE GRANT BEING TO THEM, I.E. SPOKE TO EVE ALSO, AS MANY INTERPRETERS THINK WITH REASON, THAT THESE WORDS WERE NOT SPOKEN TILL ADAM HAD HIS WIFE, MUST NOT SHE THEREBY BE LADY, AS WELL AS HE LORD OF THE WORLD? IF IT BE SAID THAT EVE WAS SUBJECTED TO ADAM, IT SEEMS SHE WAS NOT SO SUBJECTED TO HIM, AS TO HINDER HER DOMINION OVER THE CREATURES, OR PROPERTY IN THEM: FOR SHALL WE SAY THAT GOD EVER MADE A JOINT GRANT TO TWO, AND ONE ONLY WAS TO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF IT?

§ 30. BUT PERHAPS 'TWILL BE SAID, EVE WAS NOT MADE TILL AFTERWARD: GRANT IT SO, WHAT ADVANTAGE WILL OUR A. GET BY IT? THE TEXT WILL BE ONLY THE MORE DIRECTLY AGAINST HIM, AND SHEW THAT GOD IN THIS DONATION, GAVE THE WORLD TO MANKIND IN COMMON, AND NOT TO ADAM IN PARTICULAR. THE WORD THEM IN THE TEXT MUST INCLUDE THE SPECIES, OF MAN, FOR 'TIS CERTAIN THEM CAN BY NO MEANS SIGNIFIE' ADAM ALONE. IN THE 26TH VERSE, WHERE GOD DECLARES HIS INTENTION TO GIVE THIS DOMINION, IT IS PLAIN HE MEANT, THAT HE WOULD MAKE A SPECIES OF CREATURES, THAT SHOULD HAVE DOMINION OVER THE OTHER SPECIES OF THIS TERRESTRIAL GLOBE: THE WORDS ARE, AND GOD SAID, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS, AND LET THEM HAVE DOMINION OVER THE FISH, &C. THEY THEN WERE TO HAVE DOMINION. WHO? EVEN THOSE WHO WERE TO HAVE THE IMAGE OF GOD, THE INDIVIDUALS OF THAT SPECIES OF MAN THAT HE WAS GOING TO MAKE, FOR THAT THEM SHOULD SIGNIFIE ADAM SINGLY, EXCLUSIVE OF THE REST, THAT SHOULD BE IN THE WORLD WITH HIM, IS AGAINST BOTH SCRIPTURE AND ALL REASON: AND IT CANNOT POSSIBLY BE MADE SENSE, IF MAN IN THE FORMER PART OF THE VERSE DO NOT SIGNIFIE THE SAME WITH THEM IN THE LATTER, ONLY MAN THERE, AS IS USUAL; IS TAKEN FOR THE SPECIES, AND THEM THE INDIVIDUALS OF THAT SPECIES: AND WE HAVE A REASON IN THE VERY TEXT. GOD MAKES HIM IN HIS OWN IMAGE AFTER HIS OWN LIKENESS, MAKES HIM AN INTELLECTUAL CREATURE, AND SO CAPABLE OF DOMINION. FOR WHEREIN SOEVER ELSE THE IMAGE OF GOD CONSISTED, THE INTELLECTUAL NATURE WAS CERTAINLY A PART OF IT, AND BELONG'D TO THE WHOLE SPECIES, AND ENABLED THEM TO HAVE DOMINION OVER THE INFERIOUR CREATURES; AND THEREFORE DAVID SAYS IN THE 8TH PSALM ABOVE CITED, THOU HAST MADE HIM LITTLE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS, THOU HAST MADE HIM TO HAVE DOMINION. 'TIS NOT OF ADAM KING DAVID SPEAKS HERE, FOR VERSE 4. 'TIS PLAIN, 'TIS OF MAN, AND THE SON OF MAN, OF THE SPECIES OF MANKIND.

§ 31. AND THAT THIS GRANT SPOKEN TO ADAM WAS MADE TO HIM, AND THE WHOLE SPECIES OF MAN, IS CLEAR FROM OUR A'S. OWN PROOF OUT OF THE PSALMIST. THE EARTH, SAITH THE PSALMIST, HATH HE GIVEN TO THE CHILDREN OF MEN; WHICH SHEWS THE TITLE COMES FROM FATHERHOOD: THESE ARE SIR ROBERT'S WORDS IN THE PREFACE BEFORE CITED, AND A STRANGE INFERENCE IT IS HE MAKES, GOD HATH GIVEN THE EARTH TO THE CHILDREN OF MEN, ERGO THE TITLE COMES FROM FATHERHOOD. 'TIS PITY THE PROPRIETY OF THE HEBREW TONGUE HAD NOT USED FATHERS OF MEN INSTEAD OF CHILDREN OF MEN, TO EXPRESS MANKIND: THEN INDEED OUR A. MIGHT HAVE HAD THE COUNTENANCE OF THE SOUND OF THE WORDS, TO HAVE PLACED THE TITLE IN THE FATHERHOOD. BUT TO CONCLUDE, THAT THE FATHERHOOD HAD THE RIGHT TO THE EARTH, BECAUSE GOD GAVE IT TO THE CHILDREN OF MEN, IS A WAY OF ARGUING PECULIAR TO OUR A. AND A MAN MUST HAVE A GREAT MIND TO GO CONTRARY TO THE SOUND AS WELL AS SENSE OF THE WORDS, BEFORE HE COULD LIGHT ON IT. BUT THE SENSE IS YET HARDER, AND MORE REMOTE FROM OUR A'S PURPOSE: FOR AS IT STANDS IN HIS PREFACE, IT IS TO PROVE ADAM'S BEING MONARCH, AND HIS REASONING IS THUS, GOD GAVE THE EARTH. TO THE CHILDREN OF MEN, ERGO ADAM WAS MONARCH OF THE WORLD. I DEFIE ANY MAN TO MAKE A MORE PLEASANT CONCLUSION THAN THIS, WHICH CANNOT BE EXCUSED FROM THE MOST OBVIOUS ABSURDITY, TILL IT CAN BE SHEWN, THAT BY CHILDREN OF MEN, HE WHO HAD NO FATHER, ADAM, ALONE IS SIGNIFIED; BUT WHATEVER OUR A. DOES, THE SCRIPTURE SPEAKS NOT NONSENSE.

§ 32. TO MAINTAIN THIS PROPERTY AND PRIVATE DOMINION OF ADAM, OUR A. LABOURS IN THE FOLLOWING PAGE TO DESTROY THE COMMUNITY GRANTED TO NOAH AND HIS SONS, IN THAT PARALLEL PLACE, 9 GEN. 1, 2, 3. AND HE ENDEAVOURS TO DO IT TWO WAYS. 1°. SIR ROBERT WOULD PERSWADE US AGAINST THE EXPRESS WORDS OF THE SCRIPTURE, THAT WHAT WAS HERE GRANTED TO NOAH, WAS NOT GRANTED TO HIS SONS IN COMMON WITH HIM. HIS WORDS ARE; AS FOR THE GENERAL COMMUNITY BETWEEN NOAH AND HIS SONS, WHICH MR. SELDEN WILL HAVE TO BE GRANTED TO THEM, 9. GEN. 2. THE TEXT DOTH NOT WARRANT IT. WHAT WARRANT OUR A. WOULD HAVE, WHEN THE PLAIN EXPRESS WORDS OF SCRIPTURE, NOT CAPABLE OF ANOTHER MEANING, WILL NOT SATISFIE HIM, WHO PRETENDS TO BUILD WHOLLY ON SCRIPTURE, IS NOT EASIE TO IMAGINE. THE TEXT SAYS, GOD BLESSED NOAH AND HIS SONS, AND SAID UNTO THEM, I.E. AS OUR A. WOULD HAVE IT, UNTO HIM: FOR, SAITH HE, ALTHOUGH THE SONS ARE THERE MENTIONED WITH NOAH IN THE BLESSING, YET IT MAY BEST BE UNDERSTOOD, WITH A SUBORDINATION OR BENEDICTION IN SUCCESSION, O. 211. THAT INDEED IS BEST, FOR OUR A. TO BE UNDERSTOOD, WHICH BEST SERVES TO HIS PURPOSE, BUT THAT TRULY MAY BEST BE UNDERSTOOD BY ANY BODY ELSE, WHICH BEST AGREES WITH THE PLAIN CONSTRUCTION OF THE WORDS, AND ARISES FROM THE OBVIOUS MEANING OF THE PLACE, AND THEN WITH SUBORDINATION AND IN SUCCESSION, WILL NOT BE BEST UNDERSTOOD, IN A GRANT OF GOD, WHERE HE HIMSELF PUT THEM NOT, NOR MENTIONS ANY SUCH LIMITATION. BUT YET, OUR A. HAS REASONS, WHY IT MAY BEST BE UNDERSTOOD SO. THE BLESSING, SAYS HE IN THE FOLLOWING WORDS, MIGHT TRULY BE FULFILLED, IF THE SONS EITHER UNDER OR AFTER THEIR FATHER, ENJOY'D A PRIVATE DOMINION, O., 211. WHICH IS TO SAY, THAT A GRANT, WHOSE EXPRESS WORDS GIVE A JOYNT TITLE IN PRESENT (FOR THE TEXT SAYS, INTO YOUR HANDS THEY ARE DELIVERED) MAY BEST BE UNDERSTOOD WITH A SUBORDINATION OR IN SUCCESSION: BECAUSE 'TIS POSSIBLE, THAT IN SUBORDINATION, OR SUCCESSION IT MAY BE ENJOY'D. WHICH IS ALL ONE AS TO SAY, THAT A GRANT OF ANY THING IN PRESENT POSSESSION, MAY BEST BE UNDERSTOOD OF REVERSION: BECAUSE 'TIS POSSIBLE ONE MAY LIVE TO ENJOY IT IN REVERSION. IF THE GRANT BE INDEED TO A FATHER, AND TO HIS SONS AFTER HIM, WHO IS SO KIND AS TO LET HIS CHILDREN ENJOY IT PRESENTLY IN COMMON WITH HIM, ONE MAY TRULY SAY, AS TO THE EVENT ONE WILL BE AS GOOD AS THE OTHER: BUT IT CAN NEVER BE TRUE, THAT WHAT THE EXPRESS WORDS GRANT IN POSSESSION, AND IN COMMON, MAY BEST BE UNDERSTOOD, TO BE IN REVERSION. THE SUM OF ALL HIS REASONING AMOUNTS TO THIS: GOD DID NOT GIVE TO THE SONS OF NOAH THE WORLD IN COMMON WITH THEIR FATHER, BECAUSE. 'TWAS POSSIBLE THEY MIGHT ENJOY IT UNDER, OR AFTER HIM. A VERY GOOD SORT OF ARGUMENT, AGAINST AN EXPRESS TEXT OF SCRIPTURE: BUT GOD MUST NOT BE BELIEVED, THOUGH HE SPEAKS IT HIMSELF, WHEN HE SAYS HE DOES ANY THING, WHICH WILL NOT CONSIST WITH SIR ROBERT'S HYPOTHESIS.

§ 33. FOR 'TIS PLAIN, HOWEVER HE WOULD EXCLUDE THEM, THAT PART OF THIS BENEDICTION, AS HE WOULD HAVE IT IN SUCCESSION, MUST NEEDS BE MEANT TO THE SONS, AND NOT TO NOAH HIMSELF AT ALL. BE FRUITFUL, AND MULTIPLY, AND REPLENISH THE EARTH, SAYS GOD, IN THIS BLESSING. THIS PART OF THE BENEDICTION, AS APPEARS BY THE SEQUEL, CONCERNED NOT NOAH HIMSELF AT ALL: FOR WE READ NOT OF ANY CHILDREN HE HAD AFTER THE FLOOD, AND IN THE FOLLOWING CHAPTER, WHERE HIS POSTERITY IS RECKON'D UP, THERE IS NO MENTION OF ANY, AND SO THIS BENEDICTION IN SUCCESSION, WAS NOT TO TAKE PLACE TILL 350 YEARS AFTER, AND TO SAVE OUR A'S IMAGINARY MONARCHY, THE PEOPLING OF THE WORLD MUST BE DEFERR'D 350 YEARS; FOR THIS PART OF THE BENEDICTION CANNOT BE UNDERSTOOD WITH SUBORDINATION, UNLESS OUR A. WILL SAY, THAT THEY MUST ASK LEAVE OF THEIR FATHER NOAH TO LIE WITH THEIR WIVES. BUT IN THIS ONE POINT OUR A. IS CONSTANT TO HIMSELF IN ALL HIS DISCOURSES, HE TAKES GREAT CARE THERE SHOULD BE MONARCHS IN THE WORLD, BUT VERY LITTLE THAT THERE SHOULD BE PEOPLE: AND INDEED HIS WAY OF GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE WAY TO PEOPLE THE WORLD. FOR HOW MUCH ABSOLUTE MONARCHY HELPS TO FULFIL THIS GREAT AND PRIMARY BLESSING OF GOD ALMIGHTY, BE FRUITFUL, AND MULTIPLY, AND REPLENISH THE EARTH, WHICH CONTAINS IN IT THE IMPROVEMENT TOO OF ARTS AND SCIENCES, AND THE CONVENIENCES OF LIFE, MAY BE SEEN IN THOSE LARGE AND RICH COUNTRIES, WHICH ARE HAPPY UNDER THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT, WHERE ARE NOT NOW TO BE FOUND 1/3, NAY IN MANY, IF NOT MOST PARTS OF THEM 1/30, PERHAPS I MIGHT SAY NOT 1/100 OF THE PEOPLE, THAT WERE FORMERLY, AS WILL EASILY APPEAR TO ANY ONE, WHO WILL COMPARE THE ACCOUNTS WE HAVE OF IT AT THIS TIME, WITH ANTIENT HISTORY. 'BUT THIS BY THE BY.

§ 34. THE OTHER PARTS OF THIS BENEDICTION OR GRANT ARE SO EXPRESSED, THAT THEY MUST NEEDS BE UNDERSTOOD TO BELONG TO NOAH AND HIS SONS, TO THEM AS MUCH AS TO HIM, AND NOT TO HIS SONS WITH A SUBORDINATION OR IN SUCCESSION. THE FEAR OF YOU, AND THE DREAD OF YOU, SAYS GOD, SHALL BE UPON EVERY BEAST, &C. WILL ANY BODY BUT OUR A. SAY, THAT THE CREATURES FEARED AND STOOD IN AWE OF NOAH ONLY, AND NOT OF HIS SONS WITHOUT HIS LEAVE, OR TILL AFTER HIS DEATH? AND THE FOLLOWING WORDS, INTO YOUR HANDS THEY ARE DELIVERED, ARE THEY TO BE UNDERSTOOD AS OUR A. SAYS, IF YOUR FATHER PLEASE, OR THEY SHALL BE DELIVER'D INTO YOUR HANDS HEREAFTER. IF THIS BE TO ARGUE FROM SCRIPTURE, I KNOW NOT WHAT MAY NOT BE PROVED BY IT, AND I CAN SCARCE SEE HOW MUCH THIS DIFFERS FROM THAT FICTION AND PHANSIE, OR HOW MUCH A SURER FOUNDATION IT WILL PROVE THAN THE OPINIONS OF PHILOSOPHERS AND POETS, WHICH OUR A. SO MUCH CONDEMNS IN HIS PREFACE.

§ 35. BUT OUR A ' GOES ON TO PROVE, THAT IT MAY BEST BE UNDERSTOOD WITH A SUBORDINATION OR A BENEDICTION IN SUCCESSION, FOR, SAYS HE, IT IS NOT PROBABLE, THAT THE PRIVATE DOMINION WHICH GOD GAVE TO ADAM, AND BY HIS DONATION, ASSIGNATION OR CESSION TO HIS CHILDREN, WAS ABROGATED, AND A COMMUNITY OF ALL THINGS INSTITUTED BETWEEN NOAH AND HIS SONS. NOAH WAS LEFT THE SOLE HEIR OF THE WORLD, WHY SHOULD IT BE THOUGHT THAT GOD WOULD DISINHERIT HIM OF HIS BIRTHRIGHT, AND MAKE HIM OF ALL MEN IN THE WORLD THE ONLY TENANT IN COMMON WITH HIS CHILDREN, O. 211.

§ 36. THE PREJUDICES OF OUR OWN ILL GROUNDED OPINIONS, HOWEVER BY US CALLED PROBABLE, CANNOT AUTHORIZE US TO UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURE CONTRARY TO THE DIRECT AND PLAIN MEANING OF THE WORDS. I GRANT, 'TIS NOT PROBABLE THAT ADAMS PRIVATE DOMINION WAS HERE ABROGATED, BECAUSE IT IS MORE THAN IMPROBABLE (FOR IT WILL NEVER BE PROVED) THAT EVER ADAM HAD ANY SUCH PRIVATE DOMINION: AND SINCE PARALLEL PLACES OF SCRIPTURE ARE MOST PROBABLE TO MAKE US KNOW, HOW THEY MAY BE BEST UNDERSTOOD, THERE NEEDS BUT THE COMPARING THIS BLESSING HERE TO NOAH AND HIS SONS AFTER THE FLOOD, WITH THAT TO ADAM AFTER THE CREATION, 1. GEN. 28. TO ASSURE ANY ONE THAT GOD GAVE ADAM NO SUCH PRIVATE DOMINION. 'TIS PROBABLE, I CONFESS, THAT NOAH SHOULD HAVE THE SAME TITLE, THE SAME PROPERTY AND DOMINION AFTER THE FLOOD, THAT ADAM HAD BEFORE IT. BUT SINCE PRIVATE DOMINION CANNOT CONSIST WITH THE BLESSING AND GRANT GOD GAVE TO HIM AND HIS SONS IN COMMON, 'TIS A SUFFICIENT REASON TO CONCLUDE THAT ADAM HAD NONE, ESPECIALLY SINCE IN THE DONATION MADE TO HIM, THERE IS NO WORDS THAT EXPRESS IT, OR DO IN THE LEAST FAVOUR IT; AND THEN LET MY READER JUDGE WHETHER IT MAY BEST BE UNDERSTOOD, WHEN IN THE ONE PLACE THERE IS NOT ONE WORD FOR IT, NOT TO SAY, WHAT HAS BEEN ABOVE PROVED, THAT THE TEXT IT SELF PROVES THE CONTRARY, AND IN THE OTHER, THE WORDS AND SENSE ARE DIRECTLY AGAINST IT.

§ 37. BUT OUR A. SAYS, NOAH WAS THE SOLE HEIR OF THE WORLD, WHY SHOULD IT BE THOUGHT THAT GOD WOULD DISINHERIT HIM O F HIS BIRTH-RIGHT? HEIR, INDEED, IN ENGLAND, SIGNIFIES THE ELDEST SON, WHO IS BY THE LAW OF ENGLAND TO HAVE ALL HIS FATHERS LAND, BUT WHERE GOD EVER APPOINTED ANY SUCH HEIR OF THE WORLD, OUR A. WOULD HAVE DONE WELL TO HAVE SHEWED US, AND HOW GOD DISINHERITED HIM OF HIS BIRTHRIGHT, OR WHAT HARM WAS DONE HIM IF GOD GAVE HIS SONS A RIGHT TO MAKE USE OF A PART OF THE EARTH FOR THE SUPPORT OF THEMSELVES AND FAMILIES, WHEN THE WHOLE WAS NOT ONLY MORE THEN NOAH HIMSELF, BUT INFINITELY MORE THAN THEY ALL COULD MAKE USE OF, AND THE POSSESSIONS OF ONE COULD NOT AT ALL PREJUDICE, OR AS TO ANY USE STREIGHTEN THAT OF THE OTHER.

§ 38. OUR A. PROBABLY FORESEEING HE MIGHT NOT BE VERY SUCCESSFUL IN PERSUADING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR SENSES, AND SAY WHAT HE COULD, MEN WOULD BE APT TO BELIEVE THE PLAIN WORDS OF SCRIPTURE, AND THINK, AS THEY SAW, THAT THE GRANT WAS SPOKEN TO NOAH AND HIS SONS JOINTLY. HE ENDEAVOURS TO INSINUATE, AS IF THIS GRANT TO NOAH, CONVEYED NO PROPERTY, NO DOMINION; BECAUSE, SUBDUING THE EARTH AND DOMINION OVER THE CREATURES ARE THEREIN OMITTED, NOR THE EARTH ONCE NAMED. AND THEREFORE, SAYS HE, THERE IS A CONSIDERABLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO TEXTS, THE FIRST BLESSING GAVE ADAM A DOMINION OVER THE EARTH AND ALL CREATURES, THE LATTER ALLOWS NOAH LIBERTY TO USE THE LIVING CREATURES FOR FOOD, HERE IS NO ALTERATION OR DIMINISHING OF HIS TITLE, TO A PROPERTY OF ALL THINGS, BUT AN ENLARGEMENT ONLY OF HIS COMMONS, O. 211. SO THAT IN OUR A'S SENSE, ALL THAT WAS SAID HERE TO NOAH AND HIS SONS, GAVE THEM NO DOMINION, NO PROPERTY, BUT ONLY ENLARGED THE COMMONS, THEIR COMMONS, I SHOULD SAY SINCE, GOD SAYS, TO YOU ARE THEY GIVEN, THOUGH OUR A. SAYS HIS, FOR AS FOR NOAH'S SONS, THEY IT SEEMS BY SIR ROBERT'S APPOINTMENT DURING THEIR FATHERS LIFE TIME, WERE TO KEEP FASTING DAYS.

§ 39. ANY ONE BUT OUR A. WOULD BE MIGHTILY SUSPECTED, TO BE BLINDED WITH PREJUDICE, THAT IN ALL THIS BLESSING TO NOAH AND HIS SONS, COULD SEE NOTHING BUT ONLY AN ENLARGEMENT OF COMMONS. FOR AS TO DOMINION WHICH OUR A. THINKS OMITTED, THE FEAR OF YOU, AND THE DREAD OF YOU, SAYS GOD, SHALL BE UPON EVERY BEAST, WHICH I SUPPOSE, EXPRESSES THE DOMINION, OR SUPERIORITY WAS DESIGNED MAN OVER THE LIVING CREATURES, AS FULLY AS MAY BE, FOR IN THAT FEAR AND DREAD, SEEMS CHIEFLY TO CONSIST WHAT WAS GIVEN TO ADAM, OVER THE INFERIOUR ANIMALS; WHO AS ABSOLUTE A MONARCH AS HE WAS, COULD NOT MAKE BOLD WITH A LARK OR A RABBET TO SATISFIE HIS HUNGER, AND HAD THE HERBS BUT IN COMMON WITH THE BEASTS, AS IS PLAIN FROM 1 GEN. 29. AND 30. IN THE NEXT PLACE, 'TIS MANIFEST THAT IN THIS BLESSING TO NOAH AND HIS SONS, PROPERTY IS NOT ONLY GIVEN IN CLEAR WORDS, BUT IN A LARGER EXTENT THAN IT WAS TO ADAM. INTO YOUR HANDS THEY ARE GIVEN, SAYS GOD, TO NOAH AND HIS SONS, WHICH WORDS, IF THEY GIVE NOT PROPERTY, NAY, PROPERTY IN POSSESSION, 'TWILL BE HARD TO FIND WORDS THAT CAN, SINCE THERE IS NOT A WAY TO EXPRESS A MAN'S BEING POSSESSED OF ANY THING MORE NATURAL, NOR MORE CERTAIN, THAN TO SAY, IT IS DELIVERED INTO HIS HANDS. AND, VERSE 3D, TO SKEW, THAT THEY HAD THEN GIVEN THEM THE UTMOST PROPERTY MAN IS CAPABLE OF, WHICH IS TO HAVE A RIGHT TO DESTROY ANY THING BY USING IT; EVERY MOVING THING THAT LIVETH, SAITH GOD, SHALL BE MEAT FOR YOU, WHICH WAS NOT ALLOWED TO ADAM IN HIS CHARTER. THIS OUR A. CALLS, A LIBERTY OF USING THEM FOR FOOD, AND ONLY AN ENLARGEMENT OF COMMONS, BUT NO ALTERATION OF PROPERTY, O. 211. WHAT OTHER PROPERTY MAN CAN HAVE IN THE CREATURES, BUT THE LIBERTY OF USING THEM, IS HARD TO BE UNDERSTOOD: SO THAT, IF THE FIRST BLESSING, AS OUR A. SAYS, GAVE ADAM DOMINION OVER THE CREATURES, AND THE BLESSING TO NOAH AND HIS SONS, GAVE THEM SUCH A LIBERTY TO USE THEM, AS 'ADAM HAD NOT; IT MUST NEEDS GIVE THEM SOMETHING THAT ADAM WITH ALL HIS SOVERAIGNTY WANTED, SOMETHING THAT ONE WOULD BE APT TO TAKE FOR A GREATER PROPERTY; FOR CERTAINLY HE HAS NO ABSOLUTE DOMINION OVER EVEN THE BRUTAL PART OF THE CREATURES, AND THE PROPERTY HE HAS IN THEM IS VERY NARROW AND SCANTY, WHO CANNOT MAKE THAT USE OF THEM, WHICH IS PERMITTED TO ANOTHER. SHOULD ANY ONE, WHO IS ABSOLUTE LORD OF A COUNTRY, HAVE BIDDEN OUR A. SUBDUE THE EARTH, AND GIVEN HIM DOMINION OVER THE CREATURES IN IT, BUT NOT HAVE PERMITTED HIM TO HAVE TAKEN A KID OR A LAMB OUT OF THE FLOCK, TO SATISFIE HIS HUNGER, I GUESS HE WOULD SCARCE HAVE THOUGHT HIMSELF LORD OR PROPRIETOR OF THAT LAND, OR THE CATTEL ON IT: BUT WOULD HAVE FOUND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING DOMINION, WHICH A SHEPHERD MAY HAVE, AND HAVING FULL PROPERTY AS AN OWNER. SO THAT, HAD IT BEEN HIS OWN CASE, SIR ROBERT I BELIEVE, WOULD HAVE THOUGHT HERE WAS AN ALTERATION, NAY, AN ENLARGING OF PROPERTY, AND THAT NOAH AND HIS CHILDREN HAD BY THIS GRANT, NOT ONLY PROPERTY GIVEN THEM, BUT SUCH A PROPERTY GIVEN THEM IN THE CREATURES, AS ADAM HAD NOT; FOR HOWEVER, IN RESPECT OF ONE ANOTHER, MEN MAY BE ALLOWED TO HAVE PROPRIETY IN THEIR DISTINCT PORTIONS OF THE CREATURES; YET IN RESPECT OF GOD THE MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, WHO IS SOLE LORD AND PROPRIETOR OF THE WHOLE WORLD, MANS PROPRIETY IN THE CREATURES IS NOTHING BUT THAT LIBERTY TO USE THEM, WHICH GOD HAS PERMITTED, AND SO MAN'S PROPERTY MAY BE ALTERED AND ENLARGED, AS WE SEE IT WAS HERE, AFTER THE FLOOD, WHEN OTHER USES OF THEM ARE ALLOWED, WHICH BEFORE WERE NOT. FROM ALL WHICH I SUPPOSE, IT IS CLEAR, THAT NEITHER ADAM NOR NOAH, HAD ANY PRIVATE DOMINION, ANY PROPERTY IN THE CREATURES, EXCLUSIVE OF HIS POSTERITY, AS THEY SHOULD SUCCESSIVELY GROW UP INTO NEED OF THEM, AND COME TO BE ABLE TO MAKE USE OF THEM.

§ 40. THUS WE HAVE EXAMINED OUR A'S ARGUMENT FOR ADAM'S MONARCHY, FOUNDED ON THE BLESSING PRONOUNCED, 1 GEN. 28. WHEREIN I THINK 'TIS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY SOBER READER, TO FIND ANY OTHER BUT THE SETTING OF MANKIND ABOVE THE OTHER KINDS OF CREATURES, IN THIS HABITABLE EARTH OF OURS. 'TIS NOTHING BUT THE GIVING TO MAN, THE WHOLE SPECIES OF MAN, AS THE CHIEF INHABITANT, WHO IS THE IMAGE OF HIS MAKER, THE DOMINION OVER THE OTHER CREATURES. THIS LIES SO OBVIOUS IN THE PLAIN WORDS, THAT ANY ONE BUT OUR A. WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT NECESSARY TO HAVE SHEWN, HOW THESE WORDS THAT SEEM'D TO SAY THE QUITE CONTRARY, GAVE ADAM MONARCHICAL ABSOLUTE POWER OVER OTHER MEN, OR THE SOLE PROPERTY IN ALL THE CREATURES, AND METHINKS IN A BUSINESS OF THIS MOMENT, AND THAT WHEREON HE BUILDS ALL THAT FOLLOWS, HE SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING MORE THAN BARELY CITE WORDS WHICH APPARENTLY MAKE AGAINST HIM; FOR I CONFESS, I CANNOT SEE ANY THING IN THEM, TENDING TO ADAM'S MONARCHY, OR PRIVATE DOMINION, BUT QUITE THE CONTRARY. AND I THE LESS DEPLORE THE DULNESS OF MY APPREHENSION HEREIN, SINCE I FIND THE APOSTLE SEEMS TO HAVE AS LITTLE NOTION OF ANY SUCH PRIVATE DOMINION OF ADAM AS I, WHEN HE SAYS, GOD GIVES US ALL THINGS RICHLY TO ENJOY, WHICH HE COULD NOT DO, IF IT WERE ALL GIVEN AWAY ALREADY, TO MONARCH ADAM, AND THE MONARCHS HIS HEIRS AND SUCCESSORS. TO CONCLUDE, THIS TEXT IS SO FAR FROM PROVING ADAM SOLE PROPRIETOR, THAT ON THE CONTRARY, IT IS A CONFIRMATION OF THE ORIGINAL COMMUNITY OF ALL THINGS AMONGST THE SONS OF MEN, WHICH APPEARING FROM THIS DONATION OF GOD, AS WELL AS OTHER PLACES OF SCRIPTURE; THE SOVERAIGNTY OF ADAM, BUILT UPON HIS PRIVATE DOMINION, MUST FALL, NOT HAVING ANY FOUNDATION TO SUPPORT IT.

§ 41. BUT YET, IF AFTER ALL, ANY ONE WILL NEEDS HAVE IT SO, THAT BY THIS DONATION OF GOD, ADAM WAS MADE SOLE PROPRIETOR OF THE WHOLE EARTH, WHAT WILL THIS BE TO HIS SOVERAIGNTY? AND HOW WILL IT APPEAR, THAT PROPERTY IN LAND GIVES A MAN POWER OVER THE LIFE OF ANOTHER? OR HOW WILL THE POSSESSION EVEN OF THE WHOLE EARTH, GIVE ANY ONE A SOVERAIGN ARBITRARY AUTHORITY OVER THE PERSONS OF MEN? THE MOST SPECIOUS THING TO BE SAID, IS, THAT HE THAT IS PROPRIETOR OF THE WHOLE WORLD, MAY DENY ALL THE REST OF MANKIND FOOD, AND SO AT HIS PLEASURE STARVE THEM, IF THEY WILL NOT ACKNOWLEDGE HIS SOVERAIGNTY, AND OBEY HIS WILL. IF THIS WERE TRUE, IT WOULD BE A GOOD ARGUMENT TO PROVE, THAT THERE WAS NEVER ANY SUCH PROPERTY, THAT GOD NEVER GAVE ANY SUCH PRIVATE DOMINION; SINCE IT IS MORE REASONABLE TO THINK, THAT GOD WHO BID MANKIND INCREASE AND MULTIPLY, SHOULD RATHER HIMSELF GIVE THEM ALL A RIGHT, TO MAKE USE OF THE FOOD AND RAYMENT, AND OTHER CONVENIENCIES OF LIFE, THE MATERIALS WHEREOF HE' HAD SO PLENTIFULLY PROVIDED FOR THEM; THAN TO MAKE THEM DEPEND UPON THE WILL OF A MAN FOR THEIR SUBSISTENCE, WHO SHOULD HAVE POWER TO DESTROY THEM ALL WHEN HE PLEASED, AND WHO BEING NO BETTER THAN OTHER MEN, WAS IN SUCCESSION LIKELIER BY WANT AND THE DEPENDANCE OF A SCANTY FORTUNE, TO TYE THEM TO HARD SERVICE, THAN BY LIBERAL ALLOWANCE OF THE CONVENIENCIES OF LIFE, TO PROMOTE THE GREAT DESIGN OF GOD, INCREASE AND MULTIPLY: HE THAT DOUBTS THIS, LET HIM LOOK INTO THE ABSOLUTE MONARCHIES OF THE WORLD, AND SEE WHAT BECOMES OF THE CONVENIENCIES OF LIFE, AND THE MULTITUDES OF PEOPLE.

§ 42. BUT WE KNOW GOD HATH NOT LEFT ONE MAN SO TO THE MERCY OF ANOTHER, THAT HE MAY STARVE HIM IF HE PLEASE: GOD THE LORD AND FATHER OF ALL, HAS GIVEN NO ONE OF HIS CHILDREN SUCH A PROPERTY, IN HIS PECULIAR PORTION OF THE THINGS OF THIS WORLD, BUT THAT HE HAS GIVEN HIS NEEDY BROTHER A RIGHT TO THE SURPLUSAGE OF HIS GOODS; SO THAT IT CANNOT JUSTLY BE DENYED HIM, WHEN HIS PRESSING WANTS CALL FOR IT. AND THEREFORE NO MAN COULD EVER HAVE A JUST POWER OVER THE LIFE OF ANOTHER, BY RIGHT OF PROPERTY IN LAND OR POSSESSIONS; SINCE 'TWOULD ALWAYS BE A SIN IN ANY MAN OF ESTATE, TO LET HIS BROTHER PERISH FOR WANT OF AFFORDING HIM RELIEF OUT OF HIS PLENTY. AS JUSTICE GIVES EVERY MAN A TITLE TO THE PRODUCT OF HIS HONEST INDUSTRY, AND THE FAIR ACQUISITIONS OF HIS ANCESTORS DESCENDED TO HIM; SO CHARITY GIVES EVERY MAN A TITLE TO SO MUCH OUT OF ANOTHER'S PLENTY, AS WILL KEEP HIM FROM EXTREAM WANT, WHERE HE HAS NO MEANS TO SUBSIST OTHERWISE; AND A MAN CAN NO MORE JUSTLY MAKE USE OF ANOTHER'S NECESSITY, TO FORCE HIM TO BECOME HIS VASSAL, BY WITH-HOLDING THAT RELIEF, GOD REQUIRES HIM TO AFFORD TO THE WANTS OF HIS BROTHER, THAN HE THAT HAS MORE STRENGTH CAN SEIZE UPON A WEAKER, MASTER HIM TO HIS OBEDIENCE, AND WITH A DAGGER AT HIS THROAT OFFER HIM DEATH OR SLAVERY.

§ 43. SHOULD ANY ONE MAKE SO PERVERSE AN USE OF GOD'S BLESSINGS POURED ON HIM WITH A LIBERAL HAND; SHOULD ANY ONE BE CRUEL AND UNCHARITABLE TO THAT EXTREMITY, YET ALL THIS WOULD NOT PROVE THAT PROPRIETY IN LAND, EVEN IN THIS CASE, GAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER THE PERSONS OF MEN, BUT ONLY THAT COMPACT MIGHT; SINCE THE AUTHORITY OF THE RICH PROPRIETOR, AND THE SUBJECTION OF THE NEEDY BEGGAR BEGAN NOT FROM THE POSSESSION OF THE LORD, BUT THE CONSENT OF THE POOR MAN, WHO PREFERR'D BEING HIS SUBJECT TO STARVING. AND THE MAN HE THUS SUBMITS TO, CAN PRETEND TO NO MORE POWER OVER HIM, THAN HE HAS CONSENTED TO, UPON COMPACT. UPON THIS GROUND A MAN'S HAVING HIS STORES FILLED IN A TIME OF SCARCITY, HAVING MONEY IN HIS POCKET, BEING IN A VESSEL AT SEA, BEING ABLE TO SWIM, &C. MAY AS WELL BE THE FOUNDATION OF RULE AND DOMINION, AS BEING POSSESSOR OF ALL THE LAND IN THE WORLD, ANY OF THESE BEING SUFFICIENT TO ENABLE ME TO SAVE A MANS LIFE WHO WOULD PERISH IF SUCH ASSISTANCE WERE DENIED HIM; AND ANY THING BY THIS RULE THAT MAY BE AN OCCASION OF WORKING UPON ANOTHERS NECESSITY, TO SAVE HIS LIFE, OR ANY THING DEAR TO HIM, AT THE RATE OF HIS FREEDOM, MAY BE MADE A FOUNDATION OF SOVEREIGNTY, AS WELL AS PROPERTY. FROM ALL WHICH IT IS CLEAR, THAT THO' GOD SHOULD HAVE GIVEN ADAM PRIVATE DOMINION, YET THAT PRIVATE DOMINION COULD GIVE HIM NO SOVEREIGNTY; BUT WE HAVE ALREADY SUFFICIENTLY PROVED, THAT GOD GAVE HIM NO PRIVATE DOMINION.

BOOK I, CHAPTER 5 OF ADAM'S TITLE TO SOVEREIGNTY BY THE SUBJECTION OF EVE

§ 44. THE NEXT PLACE OF SCRIPTURE WE FIND OUR A. BUILDS HIS MONARCHY OF ADAM ON, IS 3. GEN. 16. AND THY DESIRE SHALL BE TO THY HUSBAND, AND HE SHALL RULE OVER THEE. HERE WE HAVE (SAYS HE) THE ORIGINAL GRANT OF GOVERNMENT, FROM WHENCE HE CONCLUDES, IN THE FOLLOWING PART OF THE PAGE O. 244. THAT THE SUPREAM POWER IS SETTLED IN THE FATHERHOOD, AND LIMITED TO ONE KIND OF GOVERNMENT, THAT IS TO MONARCHY: FOR LET HIS PREMISES BE WHAT THEY WILL, THIS IS ALWAYS THE CONCLUSION, LET RULE IN ANY TEXT, BE BUT ONCE NAMED, AND PRESENTLY ABSOLUTE MONARCHY IS BY DIVINE RIGHT ESTABLISH'D. IF ANY ONE WILL BUT CAREFULLY READ OUR A'S OWN REASONING FROM THESE WORDS, O. 244. AND CONSIDER AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE LINE AND POSTERITY OF ADAM, AS HE THERE BRINGS THEM IN, HE WILL FIND SOME DIFFICULTY, TO MAKE SENSE OF WHAT HE SAYS; BUT WE WILL ALLOW THIS AT PRESENT, TO HIS PECULIAR WAY OF WRITING, AND CONSIDER THE FORCE OF THE TEXT IN HAND. THE WORDS ARE THE CURSE OF GOD UPON THE WOMAN, FOR-HAVING BEEN THE FIRST AND FORWARDEST IN THE DISOBEDIENCE,, AND IF WE WILL CONSIDER THE OCCASION OF WHAT GOD SAYS HERE TO OUR FIRST PARENTS, THAT HE WAS DENOUNCING JUDGMENT, AND DECLARING HIS WRATH AGAINST THEM BOTH, FOR THEIR DISOBEDIENCE, WE CANNOT SUPPOSE THAT THIS WAS THE TIME, WHEREIN GOD WAS GRANTING ADAM PREROGATIVES AND PRIVILEDGES, INVESTING HIM WITH DIGNITY AND AUTHORITY, ELEVATING HIM TO DOMINION AND MONARCHY: FOR THOUGH AS A HELPER IN THE TEMPTATION, AS WELL AS A -PARTNER IN THE TRANSGRESSION, EVE WAS LAID BELOW HIM, AND SO HE HAD ACCIDENTALLY A SUPERIORITY OVER HER, FOR HER GREATER PUNISHMENT, YET HE TOO HAD HIS SHARE IN THE FALL, AS WELL AS THE SIN, AND WAS LAID LOWER, AS MAY BE SEEN IN THE FOLLOWING VERSES, AND 'TWOULD BE HARD TO IMAGINE, THAT GOD, IN THE SAME BREATH, SHOULD MAKE HIM UNIVERSAL MONARCH OVER ALL MANKIND, AND A DAY LABOURER FOR HIS LIFE; TURN HIM OUT OF PARADICE, TO TILL THE GROUND, VER. 23. AND AT THE SAME TIME, ADVANCE HIM TO A THRONE, AND ALL THE PRIVILEDGES AND EASE OF ABSOLUTE POWER.

§ 45. THIS WAS NOT A TIME, WHEN ADAM COULD EXPECT ANY FAVOURS, ANY GRANT OF PRIVILEDGES, FROM HIS OFFENDED MAKER. IF THIS BE THE ORIGINAL GRANT OF GOVERNMENT, AS OUR A TELLS US, AND ADAM WAS NOW MADE MONARCH, WHATEVER SIR ROBERT WOULD HAVE HIM, 'TIS PLAIN, GOD MADE HIM BUT A VERY POOR MONARCH, SUCH AN ONE, AS OUR A— HIMSELF WOULD HAVE COUNTED IT NO GREAT PRIVILEDGE TO BE. GOD SETS HIM TO WORK FOR HIS LIVING, AND SEEMS RATHER TO GIVE HIM A SPADE INTO HIS HAND, TO SUBDUE THE EARTH, THAN A SCEPTER TO RULE OVER ITS INHABITANTS. IN THE SWEAT OF THY FACE THOU SHALT EAT THY BREAD, SAYS GOD TO HIM, VER. 19. THIS WAS UNAVOIDABLE, MAY IT PERHAPS BE ANSWERED, BECAUSE HE WAS YET WITHOUT SUBJECTS, AND HAD NO BODY TO WORK FOR HIM, BUT AFTERWARDS LIVING AS HE DID ABOVE 900 YEARS, HE MIGHT HAVE PEOPLE ENOUGH, WHOM HE MIGHT COMMAND, TO WORK FOR HIM; NO, SAYS GOD, NOT ONLY WHILST THOU ART WITHOUT OTHER HELP, SAVE THY WIFE, BUT AS LONG AS THOU LIVEST, SHALT THOU LIVE BY THY LABOUR. IN THE SWEAT OF THY FACE, SHALT THOU EAT THY BREAD, TILL THOU RETURN UNTO THE GROUND, FOR OUT OF IT WART THOU TAKEN, FOR DUST THOU ART, AND UNTO DUST SHALT THOU RETURN, V. 19. IT WILL PERHAPS BE ANSWERED AGAIN, IN FAVOUR OF OUR A , THAT THESE WORDS ARE NOT SPOKEN PERSONALLY TO ADAM, BUT IN HIM, AS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, TO ALL MANKIND, THIS BEING A CURSE UPON MANKIND, BECAUSE OF THE FALL.

§ 46. 'GOD, I BELIEVE, SPEAKS DIFFERENTLY FROM MEN, BECAUSE HE SPEAKS WITH MORE TRUTH, MORE CERTAINTY: BUT WHEN HE VOUCHSAFES TO SPEAK TO MEN, I DO NOT THINK, HE SPEAKS DIFFERENTLY FROM THEM, IN CROSSING THE RULES OF LANGUAGE IN USE AMONGST THEM. THIS WOULD NOT BE TO CONDESCEND TO THEIR CAPACITIES, WHEN HE HUMBLES HIMSELF TO SPEAK TO THEM, BUT TO LOSE HIS DESIGN IN SPEAKING, WHAT THUS SPOKEN, THEY COULD NOT UNDERSTAND. AND YET THUS MUST WE THINK OF GOD, IF THE INTERPRETATIONS OF SCRIPTURE, NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN OUR A—'S DOCTRINE, MUST BE RECEIVED FOR GOOD. FOR BY THE ORDINARY RULES OF LANGUAGE, IT WILL BE VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND, WHAT GOD SAYS; IF WHAT HE SPEAKS HERE, IN THE SINGULAR NUMBER TO ADAM, MUST BE UNDERSTOOD TO BE SPOKEN TO ALL MANKIND, AND WHAT HE SAYS IN THE PLURAL NUMBER, 1 GEN. 26. AND 28. MUST BE UNDERSTOOD OF ADAM ALONE, EXCLUSIVE OF ALL OTHERS, AND WHAT HE SAYS TO NOAH AND HIS SONS JOYNTLY, MUST BE UNDERSTOOD TO BE MEANT TO NOAH ALONE, GEN. 9.

§ 47. FARTHER IT IS TO BE NOTED, THAT THESE WORDS HERE OF 3 GEN. 16. WHICH OUR A. CALLS THE ORIGINAL GRANT OF GOVERNMENT WERE NOT SPOKEN TO ADAM, NEITHER INDEED WAS THERE ANY GRANT IN THEM MADE TO ADAM, BUT A PUNISHMENT LAID UPON EVE: AND IF WE WILL TAKE THEM AS THEY WERE DIRECTED IN PARTICULAR TO HER, OR IN HER, AS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO ALL OTHER WOMEN, THEY WILL AT MOST CONCERN THE FEMALE SEX ONLY, AND IMPORT NO MORE BUT THAT SUBJECTION THEY SHOULD ORDINARILY BE IN TO THEIR HUSBANDS: BUT THERE IS HERE NO MORE LAW TO OBLIGE A WOMAN TO SUCH A SUBJECTION, IF THE CIRCUMSTANCES EITHER OF HER CONDITION OR CONTRACT WITH HER HUSBAND SHOULD EXEMPT HER FROM IT, THEN THERE IS, THAT SHE SHOULD BRING FORTH HER CHILDREN IN SORROW AND PAIN, IF THERE COULD BE FOUND A REMEDY FOR IT, WHICH IS ALSO A PART OF THE SAME CURSE UPON HER: FOR THE WHOLE VERSE RUNS THUS, UNTO THE WOMAN HE SAID, I WILL GREATLY MULTIPLY THY SORROW AND THY CONCEPTION; IN SORROW THOU SHALT BRING FORTH CHILDREN, AND THY DESIRE SHALL BE TO THY HUSBAND, AND HE SHALL RULE OVER THEE. 'TWOULD, I THINK, HAVE BEEN A HARD MATTER FOR ANY BODY, BUT OUR A. TO HAVE FOUND OUT A GRANT OF MONARCHICAL GOVERNMENT TO ADAM IN THESE WORDS, WHICH WERE NEITHER SPOKE TO, NOR OF HIM: NEITHER WILL ANY, ONE, I SUPPOSE, BY THESE WORDS, THINK THE WEAKER SEX, AS BY A LAW SO SUBJECTED TO THE CURSE CONTAINED IN THEM, THAT 'TIS THEIR DUTY NOT TO ENDEAVOUR TO AVOID IT. AND WILL ANY ONE SAY, THAT EVE, OR ANY OTHER WOMAN, SINN'D, IF SHE WERE BROUGHT TO BED WITHOUT THOSE MULTIPLIED PAINS GOD THREATENS HER HERE WITH? OR THAT EITHER OF OUR QUEENS MARY OR ELIZABETH, HAD THEY MARRIED ANY OF THEIR SUBJECTS, HAD BEEN BY THIS TEXT PUT INTO A POLITICAL SUBJECTION TO HIM? OR THAT HE THEREBY SHOULD HAVE HAD MONARCHICAL RULE OVER HER? GOD, IN THIS TEXT, GIVES NOT, THAT I SEE, ANY AUTHORITY TO ADAM OVER EVE, OR TO MEN OVER THEIR WIVES, BUT ONLY FORETELS WHAT SHOULD BE THE WOMANS LOT, HOW BY HIS PROVIDENCE HE WOULD ORDER IT SO, THAT SHE SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO HER HUSBAND, AS WE SEE THAT GENERALLY THE LAWS OF MANKIND AND CUSTOMS OF NATIONS HAVE ORDERED IT SO; AND THERE IS, I GRANT, A FOUNDATION IN NATURE FOR IT.

§ 48. THUS WHEN GOD SAYS OF JACOB AND ESAU, THAT THE ELDER SHOULD SERVE THE YOUNGER, 25 GEN. 23. NO BODY SUPPOSES THAT GOD HEREBY MADE JACOB ESAU'S SOVEREIGN, BUT FORETOLD WHAT SHOULD DE FACTO COME TO PASS. BUT IF THESE WORDS HERE SPOKE TO EVE MUST NEEDS BE UNDERSTOOD AS A LAW TO BIND HER AND ALL OTHER WOMEN TO SUBJECTION, IT CAN BE NO OTHER SUBJECTION THAN WHAT EVERY WIFE OWES HER HUSBAND, AND THEN IF THIS BE THE ORIGINAL GRANT OF GOVERNMENT AND THE FOUNDATION OF MONARCHICAL POWER, THERE WILL BE AS MANY MONARCHS AS THERE ARE HUSBANDS. IF THEREFORE THESE WORDS GIVE ANY POWER TO ADAM, IT CAN BE ONLY A CONJUGAL POWER, NOT POLITICAL, THE POWER THAT EVERY HUSBAND HATH TO ORDER THE THINGS OF PRIVATE CONCERNMENT IN HIS FAMILY, AS PROPRIETOR OF THE GOODS AND LAND THERE, AND TO HAVE HIS WILL TAKE PLACE BEFORE THAT OF HIS WIFE IN ALL THINGS OF THEIR COMMON CONCERNMENT; BUT NOT A POLITICAL POWER OF LIFE AND DEATH OVER HER, MUCH LESS OVER ANY BODY ELSE.

§ 49. THIS I AM SURE: IF OUR A. WILL HAVE THIS TEXT TO BE A GRANT, THE ORIGINAL GRANT OF GOVERNMENT, POLITICAL GOVERNMENT, HE OUGHT TO HAVE PROVED IT BY SOME BETTER ARGUMENTS THAN BY BARELY SAYING, THAT THY DESIRE SHALL BE UNTO THY HUSBAND, WAS A LAW WHEREBY EVE AND ALL THAT SHOULD COME OF HER, WERE SUBJECTED TO THE ABSOLUTE MONARCHICAL POWER OF ADAM AND HIS HEIRS. THY DESIRE SHALL BE TO THY HUSBAND, IS TOO DOUBTFUL AN EXPRESSION, OF WHOSE SIGNIFICATION INTERPRETERS ARE NOT AGREED, TO BUILD SO CONFIDENTLY ON, AND IN A MATTER OF SUCH MOMENT, AND SO GREAT AND GENERAL CONCERNMENT: BUT OUR A. ACCORDING TO HIS WAY OF WRITING, HAVING ONCE NAMED THE TEXT, CONCLUDES PRESENTLY WITHOUT ANY MORE ADO, THAT THE MEANING IS, AS HE WOULD HAVE IT. LET THE WORDS RULE AND SUBJECT BE BUT FOUND IN THE TEXT OR MARGENT, AND IT IMMEDIATELY SIGNIFIES THE DUTY OF A SUBJECT TO HIS PRINCE, THE RELATION IS CHANGED, AND THOUGH GOD SAYS HUSBAND, SIR ROBERT WILL HAVE IT KING; ADAM HAS PRESENTLY ABSOLUTE MONARCHICAL POWER OVER EVE, AND NOT ONLY OVER EVE, BUT ALL THAT SHOULD COME OF HER, THOUGH THE SCRIPTURE SAYS NOT A WORD OF IT, NOR OUR A. A WORD TO PROVE IT. BUT ADAM MUST FOR ALL THAT BE AN ABSOLUTE MONARCH, AND SO DOWN TO THE END OF THE CHAPTER. AND HERE I LEAVE MY READER TO CONSIDER, WHETHER MY BARE SAYING, WITHOUT OFFERING ANY REASONS TO EVINCE IT, THAT THIS TEXT GAVE NOT ADAM THAT ABSOLUTE MONARCHICAL POWER, OUR A. SUPPOSES, BE NOT AS SUFFICIENT TO DESTROY THAT POWER, AS HIS BARE ASSERTION IS TO ESTABLISH IT, SINCE THE TEXT MENTIONS NEITHER PRINCE NOR PEOPLE, SPEAKS NOTHING OF ABSOLUTE OR MONARCHICAL POWER, BUT THE SUBJECTION OF EVE TO ADAM, A WIFE TO HER HUSBAND. AND HE THAT WOULD TRACE OUR A. SO ALL THROUGH, WOULD MAKE A SHORT AND SUFFICIENT ANSWER TO THE GREATEST PART OF THE GROUNDS HE PROCEEDS ON, AND ABUNDANTLY CONFUTE THEM BY BARELY DENYING; IT BEING A SUFFICIENT ANSWER TO ASSERTIONS WITHOUT PROOF, TO DENY THEM WITHOUT GIVING A REASON. AND THEREFORE SHOULD I HAVE SAID NOTHING BUT BARELY DENY'D THAT BY THIS TEXT THE SUPREME POWER WAS SETLED AND FOUNDED BY GOD HIMSELF, IN THE FATHERHOOD, LIMITED TO MONARCHY, AND THAT TO ADAM'S PERSON AND HEIRS, ALL WHICH OUR A. NOTABLY CONCLUDES FROM THESE WORDS, AS MAY BE SEEN IN THE SAME PAGE, O. 244. IT HAD BEEN A SUFFICIENT ANSWER; SHOULD I HAVE DESIRED ANY SOBER MAN ONLY TO HAVE READ THE TEXT, AND CONSIDERED TO WHOM, AND ON WHAT OCCASION IT WAS SPOKEN, HE WOULD NO DOUBT HAVE WONDERED HOW OUR A. FOUND OUT MONARCHICAL ABSOLUTE POWER IN IT, HAD HE NOT HAD AN EXCEEDING GOOD FACULTY TO FIND IT HIMSELF, WHERE HE COULD NOT SHEW IT OTHERS. AND THUS WE HAVE EXAMINED THE TWO PLACES OF SCRIPTURE,. ALL THAT I REMEMBER OUR A. BRINGS TO PROVE ADAM'S SOVEREIGNTY, THAT SUPREMACY, WHICH HE SAYS, IT WAS GODS ORDINANCE SHOULD BE UNLIMITED IN ADAM, AND AS LARGE AS ALL THE ACTS OF HIS WILL, O. 245. VIZ. 1 GEN. 28. AND 3. GEN. 16. ONE WHEREOF SIGNIFIES ONLY THE SUBJECTION OF THE INFERIOR RANKS OF CREATURES TO MANKIND, AND THE OTHER THE SUBJECTION THAT IS DUE FROM A WIFE TO HER HUSBAND, BOTH FAR ENOUGH FROM THAT WHICH SUBJECTS OWE THE GOVERNOURS OF POLITICAL SOCIETIES.

BOOK I, CHAPTER 6 OF ADAM'S TITLE TO SOVEREIGNTY BY FATHERHOOD

§ 50. THERE IS ONE THING MORE, AND THEN I THINK I HAVE GIVEN YOU ALL THAT OUR A. BRINGS FOR PROOF OF ADAM'S SOVEREIGNTY, AND THAT IS A SUPPOSITION OF A NATURAL RIGHT OF DOMINION OVER HIS CHILDREN, BY BEING THEIR FATHER, AND THIS TITLE OF FATHERHOOD HE IS SO PLEASED WITH, THAT YOU WILL FIND IT BROUGHT IN ALMOST IN EVERY PAGE, PARTICULARLY, HE SAYS, NOT ONLY ADAM, BUT THE SUCCEEDING PATRIARCHS HAD BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD ROYAL AUTHORITY OVER THEIR CHILDREN, P. 12. AND IN THE SAME PAGE, THIS SUBJECTION OF CHILDREN BEING THE FOUNTAIN OF ALL REGAL AUTHORITY, &C. THIS BEING, AS ONE WOULD THINK BY HIS SO FREQUENT MENTIONING IT, THE MAIN BASIS OF ALL HIS FRAME, WE MAY WELL EXPECT CLEAR AND EVIDENT REASON FOR IT, SINCE HE LAYS IT DOWN AS A POSITION NECESSARY TO HIS PURPOSE, THAT EVERY MAN THAT IS BORN IS SO FAR FROM BEING FREE, THAT BY HIS VERY BIRTH HE BECOMES A SUBJECT OF HIM THAT BEGETS HIM, O. 156. SO THAT ADAM BEING THE ONLY MAN CREATED, AND ALL EVER SINCE BEING BEGOTTEN, NO BODY HAS BEEN BORN FREE. IF WE ASK HOW ADAM COMES BY THIS POWER OVER HIS CHILDREN, HE TELL US HERE 'TIS BY BEGETTING THEM: AND SO AGAIN, O. 223. THIS NATURAL DOMINION OF ADAM, SAYS HE, MAY BE PROVED OUT OF GROTIUS HIMSELF, WHO TEACHETH, THAT GENERATIONE JUS ACQUIRITUR PARENTIBUS IN LIBEROS: AND INDEED THE ACT OF BEGETTING BEING THAT WHICH MAKES A MAN A FATHER, HIS RIGHT OF FATHER OVER HIS CHILDREN CAN NATURALLY ARISE FROM NOTHING ELSE.

§ 51. GROTIUS TELLS US NOT HERE HOW FAR THIS JUS IN LIBEROS, THIS POWER OF PARENTS OVER THEIR CHILDREN EXTENDS; BUT OUR A. ALWAYS VERY CLEAR IN THE POINT, ASSURES US, 'TIS SUPREME POWER, AND LIKE THAT OF ABSOLUTE MONARCHS OVER THEIR SLAVES, ABSOLUTE POWER OF LIFE AND DEATH. HE THAT SHOULD DEMAND OF HIM, HOW, OR FOR WHAT REASON IT IS, THAT BEGETTING A CHILD GIVES THE FATHER SUCH AN ABSOLUTE POWER OVER HIM, WILL FIND HIM ANSWER NOTHING: WE ARE TO TAKE HIS WORD FOR THIS AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER THINGS, AND BY THAT THE LAWS OF NATURE AND THE CONSTITUTIONS OF GOVERNMENT MUST STAND OR FALL. HAD HE BEEN AN ABSOLUTE MONARCH, THIS WAY OF TALKING MIGHT HAVE SUITED WELL ENOUGH; PRO RATIONE VOLUNTAS, MIGHT HAVE BEEN OF FORCE IN HIS MOUTH, BUT IN THE WAY OF PROOF OR ARGUMENT IS VERY UNBECOMING AND WILL LITTLE ADVANTAGE HIS PLEA FOR ABSOLUTE MONARCHY. SIR ROBERT HAS TO MUCH LESSEN'D A SUBJECTS AUTHORITY TO LEAVE HIMSELF THE HOPES OF ESTABLISHING ANY THING BY HIS BARE SAYING IT. ONE SLAVE'S OPINION WITHOUT PROOF IS NOT OF WEIGHT ENOUGH TO DISPOSE OF THE LIBERTY AND FORTUNES OF ALL MANKIND: IF ALL MEN ARE NOT, AS I THINK THEY ARE, NATURALLY EQUAL, I'M SURE ALL SLAVES ARE; AND THEN I MAY WITHOUT PRESUMPTION OPPOSE MY SINGLE OPINION TO HIS, AND BE CONFIDENT THAT MY SAYING, THAT BEGETTING OF CHILDREN MAKES THEM NOT SLAVES. TO THEIR FATHERS, AS CERTAINLY SETS ALL MANKIND FREE; AS HIS AFFIRMING THE CONTRARY MAKES THEM ALL SLAVES. BUT THAT THIS POSITION, WHICH IS THE FOUNDATION OF ALL THEIR DOCTRINE, WHO WOULD HAVE MONARCHY TO BE JURE DIVINO, MAY HAVE ALL FAIR PLAY, LET. US HEAR WHAT REASONS OTHERS GIVE FOR IT, SINCE OUR A. OFFERS NONE.

§ 52. THE ARGUMENT, I HAVE HEARD OTHERS MAKE USE OF, TO PROVE THAT FATHERS, BY BEGETTING THEM, COME BY AN ABSOLUTE POWER OVER THEIR CHILDREN, IS THIS; THAT FATHERS HAVE A POWER OVER THE LIVES OF THEIR CHILDREN, BECAUSE THEY GIVE THEM LIFE AND BEING, WHICH IS THE ONLY PROOF IT IS CAPABLE OF, SINCE THERE CAN BE NO REASON, WHY NATURALLY ONE MAN SHOULD HAVE ANY CLAIM OR PRETENCE OF RIGHT OVER THAT IN ANOTHER, WHICH WAS NEVER HIS, WHICH HE BESTOWED NOT, BUT WAS RECEIVED FROM THE BOUNTY OF ANOTHER. 10. I ANSWER, THAT EVERYONE WHO GIVES ANOTHER ANY THING, HAS NOT ALWAYS THEREBY A RIGHT TO TAKE IT AWAY AGAIN. BUT, 2 . THEY WHO SAY THE FATHER GIVES LIFE TO HIS CHILDREN, ARE SO DAZLED WITH THE THOUGHTS OF MONARCHY, THAT THEY DO NOT, AS THEY OUGHT, REMEMBER GOD, WHO IS THE AUTHOR AND GIVER OF LIFE: 'TIS IN HIM ALONE WE LIVE, MOVE, AND HAVE OUR BEING. HOW CAN HE BE THOUGHT TO GIVE LIFE TO ANOTHER, THAT KNOWS NOT WHEREIN HIS OWN LIFE CONSISTS? PHILOSOPHERS ARE AT A LOSS ABOUT IT AFTER THEIR MOST DILIGENT ENQUIRIES; AND ANATOMISTS, AFTER THEIR WHOLE LIVES AND STUDIES SPENT IN DISSECTIONS, AND DILIGENT EXAMINING THE BODIES OF MEN, CONFESS THEIR IGNORANCE IN THE STRUCTURE AND USE OF MANY PARTS OF MANS BODY, AND IN THAT OPERATION WHEREIN LIFE CONSISTS IN THE WHOLE. AND DOTH THE RUDE PLOUGH-MAN, OR THE MORE IGNORANT VOLUPTUARY, FRAME OR FASHION SUCH AN ADMIRABLE ENGINE AS THIS IS, AND THEN PUT LIFE AND SENSE INTO IT? CAN ANY MAN SAY, HE FORMED THE PARTS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO THE LIFE OF HIS CHILD? OR CAN HE SUPPOSE HIMSELF TO GIVE THE LIFE, AND YET NOT KNOW WHAT SUBJECT IS FIT TO RECEIVE IT, NOR WHAT ACTIONS OR ORGANS ARE NECESSARY FOR ITS RECEPTION OR PRESERVATION?

§ 53. TO GIVE LIFE TO THAT WHICH HAS YET NO BEING, IS TO FRAME AND MAKE A LIVING CREATURE, FASHION THE PARTS, AND MOULD AND SUIT THEM TO THEIR USES, AND HAVING PROPORTION'D AND FITTED THEM TOGETHER, TO PUT INTO THEM A LIVING SOUL. HE THAT COULD DO THIS, MIGHT INDEED HAVE SOME PRETENCE TO DESTROY HIS OWN WORKMANSHIP. BUT IS THERE ANY ONE SO BOLD, THAT DARES THUS FAR ARROGATE TO HIMSELF THE INCOMPREHENSIBLE WORKS OF THE ALMIGHTY? WHO ALONE DID AT FIRST, AND CONTINUES STILL TO MAKE A LIVING SOUL, HE ALONE CAN BREATHE IN THE BREATH OF LIFE. IF ANY ONE THINKS HIMSELF AN ARTIST AT THIS, LET HIM NUMBER UP THE PARTS OF HIS CHILDS BODY WHICH HE HATH MADE, TELL ME THEIR USES AND OPERATIONS, AND WHEN THE LIVING AND RATIONAL SOUL BEGAN TO INHABIT THIS CURIOUS STRUCTURE, WHEN SENSE BEGAN, AND HOW THIS ENGINE WHICH HE HAS FRAMED THINKS AND REASONS: IF HE MADE IT, LET HIM, WHEN IT IS OUT OF ORDER, MEND IT, AT LEAST TELL WHEREIN THE DEFECTS LIE. SHALL HE THAT MADE THE EYE NOT SEE? SAYS THE PSALMIST, PSALM 94. 9. SEE THESE MENS VANITIES: THE STRUCTURE OF THAT ONE PART IS SUFFICIENT TO CONVINCE US OF AN ALL-WISE CONTRIVER, AND HE HAS SO VISIBLE A CLAIM-TO US AS HIS WORKMANSHIP, THAT ONE OF THE ORDINARY APPELLATIONS OF GOD IN SCRIPTURE IS, GOD OUR MAKER, AND THE LORD OUR MAKER. AND THEREFORE THOUGH OUR A. FOR THE MAGNIFYING HIS FATHERHOOD, BE PLEASED TO SAY, O 159.. THAT EVEN THE POWER WHICH GOD HIMSELF EXERCISETH OVER MANKIND IS BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD, YET THIS FATHERHOOD IS SUCH AN ONE AS UTTERLY EXCLUDES ALL PRETENCE OF TITLE IN EARTHLY PARENTS; FOR HE IS KING BECAUSE HE IS INDEED MAKER OF US ALL, WHICH NO PARENTS CAN PRETEND TO BE OF THEIR CHILDREN.

§ 54. BUT HAD MEN SKILL AND POWER TO MAKE THEIR CHILDREN, 'TIS NOT SO SLIGHT A PIECE OF WORKMANSHIP, THAT IT CAN BE IMAGINED THEY COULD MAKE THEM WITHOUT DESIGNING IT. WHAT FATHER OF A THOUSAND, WHEN HE BEGETS A CHILD, THINKS FARTHER THEN THE SATISFYING HIS PRESENT APPETITE? GOD IN HIS INFINITE WISDOM HAS PUT STRONG DESIRES OF COPULATION INTO THE CONSTITUTION OF MEN, THEREBY TO CONTINUE THE RACE OF MANKIND, WHICH HE DOTH MOST COMMONLY WITHOUT THE INTENTION, AND OFTEN AGAINST THE CONSENT AND WILL . OF THE BEGETTER. AND INDEED THOSE WHO DESIRE AND DESIGN CHILDREN, ARE BUT THE OCCASIONS OF THEIR BEING, AND WHEN THEY DESIGN AND WISH TO BEGET THEM, DO LITTLE MORE TOWARDS THEIR MAKING, THAN DUCALION AND HIS WIFE IN THE FABLE DID TOWARDS THE MAKING OF MANKIND, BY THROWING PEBBLES OVER THEIR HEADS.

§ 55. BUT GRANT THAT THE PARENTS MADE THEIR CHILDREN, GAVE THEM LIFE AND BEING, AND THAT HENCE THERE FOLLOWED AN ABSOLUTE POWER. THIS WOULD GIVE THE FATHER BUT A JOYNT DOMINION WITH THE MOTHER OVER THEM. FOR NO BODY CAN DENY BUT THAT THE WOMAN HATH AN EQUAL SHARE, IF NOT THE GREATER, AS NOURISHING THE CHILD A LONG TIME IN HER OWN BODY OUT OF HER OWN SUBSTANCE. THERE IT IS FASHION'D, AND FROM HER IT RECEIVES THE MATERIALS AND PRINCIPLES OF ITS CONSTITUTION; AND IT IS SO HARD TO IMAGINE THE RATIONAL SOUL SHOULD PRESENTLY INHABIT THE YET UNFORMED EMBRIO, AS SOON AS THE FATHER HAS DONE HIS PART IN THE ACT OF GENERATION, THAT IF IT MUST BE SUPPOSED TO DERIVE ANY THING FROM THE PARENTS, IT MUST CERTAINLY OWE MOST TO THE MOTHER: BUT BE THAT AS IT WILL, THE MOTHER CANNOT BE DENIED AN EQUAL SHARE IN BEGETTING OF THE CHILD, AND SO THE ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY OF THE FATHER WILL NOT ARISE FROM HENCE. OUR A INDEED IS OF. ANOTHER MIND; FOR HE SAYS, WE KNOW THAT GOD AT THE CREATION GAVE THE SOVEREIGNTY TO THE MAN OVER THE WOMAN, AS BEING THE NOBLER AND PRINCIPAL AGENT IN GENERATION, O. 172. I REMEMBER NOT THIS IN MY BIBLE, AND WHEN THE PLACE IS BROUGHT WHERE GOD AT THE CREATION GAVE THE SOVEREIGNTY TO MAN OVER THE WOMAN, AND THAT FOR THIS REASON, BECAUSE HE IS THE NOBLER AND PRINCIPAL AGENT IN GENERATION, IT WILL BE TIME ENOUGH TO CONSIDER AND ANSWER IT: BUT IT IS NO NEW THING FOR OUR A— TO TELL US HIS OWN FANCIES FOR CERTAIN AND DIVINE TRUTHS, THOUGH THERE BE OFTEN A GREAT DEAL OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIS AND DIVINE REVELATIONS: FOR GOD IN THE SCRIPTURE SAYS, HIS FATHER AND HIS MOTHER THAT BEGOT HIM.

§ 56. THEY WHO ALLEDGE THE PRACTICE OF MANKIND, FOR EXPOSING OR SELLING THEIR CHILDREN, AS A PROOF OF THEIR POWER OVER THEM, ARE WITH SIR ROB. HAPPY ARGUERS, AND CANNOT BUT RECOMMEND THEIR OPINION BY FOUNDING IT ON THE MOST SHAMEFUL ACTION, AND MOST UNNATURAL MURDER, HUMANE NATURE IS CAPABLE OF. THE DENS OF LIONS AND NURSERIES OF WOLVES KNOW NO SUCH CRUELTY AS THIS: THESE SAVAGE INHABITANTS OF THE DESERT OBEY GOD AND NATURE IN BEING TENDER AND CAREFUL OF THEIR OFF-SPRING: THEY WILL HUNT, WATCH, FIGHT, AND ALMOST STARVE FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THEIR YOUNG, NEVER PART WITH THEM, NEVER FORSAKE THEM TILL THEY ARE ABLE TO SHIFT FOR THEMSELVES; AND IS IT THE PRIVILEDGE OF MAN ALONE TO ACT MORE CONTRARY TO NATURE THAN THE WILD AND MOST UNTAMED PART OF THE CREATION? DOTH GOD FORBID US UNDER THE SEVEREST PENALTY, THAT OF DEATH, TO TAKE AWAY THE LIFE OF ANY MAN, A STRANGER, AND UPON PROVOCATION? AND DOES HE PERMIT US TO DESTROY THOSE HE HAS GIVEN US THE CHARGE AND CARE OF, AND BY THE DICTATES OF NATURE AND REASON, AS WELL AS HIS REVEAL'D COMMAND, REQUIRES US TO PRESERVE? HE HAS IN ALL THE PARTS OF THE CREATION TAKEN A PECULIAR CARE TO PROPAGATE AND CONTINUE THE SEVERAL SPECIES OF CREATURES, AND MAKES THE INDIVIDUALS ACT SO STRONGLY TO THIS END, THAT THEY SOMETIMES NEGLECT THEIR OWN PRIVATE GOOD FOR IT, AND SEEM TO FORGET THAT GENERAL RULE WHICH NATURE TEACHES ALL THINGS OF SELF PRESERVATION, AND THE PRESERVATION OF THEIR YOUNG, AS THE STRONGEST PRINCIPLE IN THEM OVER RULES THE CONSTITUTION OF THEIR PARTICULAR NATURES. THUS WE SEE WHEN THEIR YOUNG STAND IN NEED OF IT, THE TIMOROUS BECOME VALIANT, THE FIERCE AND SAVAGE KIND, AND THE RAVENOUS TENDER AND LIBERAL.

§ 57. BUT IF THE EXAMPLE OF WHAT HATH BEEN DONE, BE THE RULE OF WHAT OUGHT TO BE, HISTORY WOULD HAVE FURNISH'D OUR A WITH INSTANCES OF THIS ABSOLUTE FATHERLY POWER IN ITS HEIGHTH AND PERFECTION, AND HE MIGHT HAVE SHEW'D US IN PERU, PEOPLE THAT BEGOT CHILDREN ON PURPOSE TO FATTEN AND EAT THEM. THE STORY IS SO REMARKABLE, THAT I CANNOT BUT SET IT DOWN IN THE A—'S WORDS. `IN SOME `PROVINCES, SAYS HE, THEY WERE SO LIQUORISH AFTER MANS `FLESH, THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE PATIENCE TO STAY TILL `THE BREATH WAS OUT OF THE BODY, BUT WOULD SUCK THE `BLOOD AS IT RAN FROM THE WOUNDS OF THE DYING MAN; THEY `HAD PUBLICK SHAMBLES OF MAN'S FLESH, AND THEIR MADNESS HEREIN WAS TO THAT DEGREE, THAT THEY SPARED NOT THEIR `OWN CHILDREN WHICH THEY HAD BEGOT ON STRANGERS TAKEN `IN WAR: FOR THEY MADE THEIR CAPTIVES THEIR MISTRESSES `AND CHOISLY NOURISHED THE CHILDREN THEY HAD BY THEM, `TILL ABOUT THIRTEEN YEARS OLD THEY BUTCHER'D AND EAT ,THEM, AND THEY SERVED THE MOTHERS AFTER THE SAME FASHION, `WHEN THEY GREW PAST CHILD BEARING, AND CEASED TO BRING `THEM ANY MORE ROASTERS, GARCILASSO DE LA VEGA HIST. DES `YNCAS DE PERU, 1, 1. C. 12.'

§ 58. THUS FAR CAN THE BUSIE MIND OF MAN CARRY HIM TO A BRUTALITY BELOW THE LEVEL OF BEASTS, WHEN HE QUITS HIS REASON, WHICH PLACES HIM ALMOST EQUAL TO ANGELS. NOR CAN IT BE OTHERWISE IN A CREATURE, WHOSE THOUGHTS ARE MORE THAN THE SANDS, AND WIDER THAN THE OCEAN, WHERE FANCY AND PASSION MUST NEEDS RUN HIM INTO STRANGE COURSES, IF REASON, WHICH IS HIS ONLY STAR AND COMPASS, BE NOT THAT HE STEERS BY. THE IMAGINATION IS ALWAYS RESTLESS AND SUGGESTS VARIETY OF THOUGHTS, AND THE WILL, REASON BEING LAID ASIDE, IS READY FOR EVERY EXTRAVAGANT PROJECT; AND IN THIS STATE, HE THAT GOES FARTHEST OUT OF THE WAY, IS THOUGHT FITTEST TO LEAD, AND IS SURE OF MOST FOLLOWERS: AND WHEN FASHION HATH ONCE ESTABLISHED, WHAT FOLLY OR CRAFT BEGAN, CUSTOM MAKES IT SACRED, AND 'TWILL BE THOUGHT IMPUDENCE OR MADNESS, TO CONTRADICT OR QUESTION IT. HE THAT WILL IMPARTIALLY SURVEY THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD, WILL FIND SO MUCH OF THEIR GOVERNMENTS, RELIGIONS, AND MANNERS BROUGHT IN AND CONTINUED AMONGST THEM BY THESE MEANS, THAT HE WILL HAVE BUT LITTLE REVERENCE FOR THE PRACTICES WHICH ARE IN USE AND CREDIT AMONGST MEN, AND WILL HAVE REASON TO THINK, THAT THE WOODS AND FORESTS, WHERE THE IRRATIONAL UNTAUGHT INHABITANTS KEEP RIGHT BY FOLLOWING NATURE, ARE FITTER TO GIVE US RULES, THAN CITIES AND PALACES, WHERE THOSE THAT CALL THEMSELVES CIVIL AND RATIONAL, GO OUT OF THEIR WAY, BY THE AUTHORITY OF EXAMPLE. IF PRECEDENTS ARE SUFFICIENT TO ESTABLISH A RULE IN THE CASE, OUR A MIGHT HAVE FOUND IN HOLY WRIT CHILDREN SACRIFICED BY THEIR PARENTS AND THIS AMONGST THE PEOPLE OF GOD THEMSELVES. THE PSALMIST TELLS US PSALM. CVI. 38. THEY SHED INNOCENT BLOUD EVEN THE BLOUD OF THEIR SONS AND OF THEIR DAUGHTERS WHEN THEY SACRIFICED UNTO THE IDOLS OF CANAAN. BUT GOD JUDGD NOT OF THIS BY OUR A—'S RULE, NOR ALLOWD OF THE AUTHORITIE OF PRACTISE AGAINST HIS RIGHTEOUS LAW, BUT AS IT FOLLOWS THERE, THE LAND WAS POLLUTED WITH BLOUD, THEREFORE WAS THE WRATH OF THE LORD KINDLED AGAINST HIS PEOPLE IN SO MUCH THAT HE ABHORRED HIS OWN INHERITANCE. THE KILLING OF THEIR CHILDREN, THOUGH IT WERE FASHIONABLE, WAS CHARGED ON THEM AS INNOCENT BLOUD, AND SO HAD, IN THE ACCOUNT OF GOD, THE GUILT OF MURDER, AS THE OFFERING THEM TO IDOLS HAD THE GUILT OF IDOLATRY.

§ 59. BE IT THEN AS SIR ROBERT SAYS, THAT ANCIENTLY, IT WAS USUAL FOR MEN TO SELL AND CASTRATE THEIR CHILDREN, O. 155. LET IT BE, THAT THEY EXPOSED THEM; ADD TO IT, IF YOU PLEASE, FOR THIS IS STILL GREATER POWER, THAT THEY BEGAT THEM FOR THEIR TABLES TO FAT AND EAT THEM: IF THIS PROVES A RIGHT TO DO SO, WE MAY, BY THE SAME ARGUMENT, JUSTIFIE ADULTERY, INCEST AND SODOMY, FOR THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF THESE TOO, BOTH ANCIENT AND MODERN; SINS, WHICH I SUPPOSE, HAVE THEIR PRINCIPAL AGGRAVATION FROM THIS, THAT THEY CROSS THE MAIN INTENTION OF NATURE, WHICH WILLETH THE INCREASE OF MANKIND, AND THE CONTINUATION OF THE SPECIES IN THE HIGHEST PERFECTION,. AND THE DISTINCTION OF FAMILIES, WITH THE SECURITY OF THE MARRIAGE BED, AS NECESSARY THEREUNTO.

§ 60. IN CONFIRMATION OF THIS NATURAL AUTHORITY OF THE FATHER, OUR A. BRINGS A LAME PROOF, FROM THE POSITIVE COMMAND OF GOD IN SCRIPTURE; HIS WORDS ARE, TO CONFIRM THE NATURAL RIGHT OF REGAL POWER, WE FIND IN THE DECALOGUE, THAT THE LAW WHICH INJOYNS OBEDIENCE TO KINGS, IS DELIVERED IN THE TERMS, HONOUR THY FATHER, P. 23. WHEREAS MANY CONFESS, THAT GOVERNMENT ONLY IN THE ABSTRACT, IS THE ORDINANCE OF GOD, THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO PROVE ANY SUCH ORDINANCE IN THE SCRIPTURE, BUT ONLY IN THE FATHERLY POWER, AND THEREFORE WE FIND THE COMMANDMENT, THAT INJOYNS OBEDIENCE TO SUPERIORS, GIVEN IN THE TERMS, HONOUR THY FATHER; SO THAT NOT ONLY THE POWER AND RIGHT OF GOVERNMENT, BUT THE FORM OF THE POWER GOVERNING, AND THE PERSON HAVING THE POWER, ARE ALL THE ORDINANCES OF GOD. THE FIRST FATHER HAD NOT ONLY SIMPLY POWER, BUT POWER MONARCHICAL, AS HE WAS FATHER IMMEDIATELY FROM GOD, O. 254. TO THE SAME PURPOSE, THE SAME LAW IS CITED BY OUR A. IN SEVERAL OTHER PLACES, AND JUST AFTER THE SAME FASHION, THAT IS, AND MOTHER, AS APOCRIPHAL WORDS, ARE ALWAYS LEFT OUT; A GREAT ARGUMENT OF OUR A'S INGENUITY, AND THE GOODNESS OF HIS CAUSE, WHICH REQUIRED IN ITS DEFENDER ZEAL TO A DEGREE OF WARMTH, ABLE TO WARP THE SACRED RULE OF THE WORD OF GOD, TO MAKE IT COMPLY WITH HIS PRESENT OCCASION; A WAY OF PROCEEDING, NOT UNUSUAL TO THOSE, WHO IMBRACE NOT TRUTHS, BECAUSE REASON AND REVELATION OFFER THEM; BUT ESPOUSE TENETS AND PARTIES, FOR ENDS DIFFERENT FROM TRUTH, AND THEN RESOLVE AT ANY RATE TO DEFEND THEM; AND SO DO WITH THE WORDS AND SENSE OF AUTHORS, THEY WOULD FIT TO THEIR PURPOSE, JUST AS PROCRUSTES DID WITH HIS GUESTS, LOP OR STRETCH THEM, AS MAY BEST FIT THEM TO THE SIZE OF THEIR NOTIONS: AND THEY ALWAYS PROVE LIKE THOSE, SO SERVED, DEFORMED, LAME, AND USELESS.

§ 61. FOR HAD OUR A. SET DOWN THIS COMMAND WITHOUT GARBLING, AS GOD GAVE IT, AND JOYNED MOTHER TO FATHER, EVERY READER WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT IT HAD MADE DIRECTLY AGAINST HIM, AND THAT IT WAS SO FAR FROM ESTABLISHING THE MONARCHICAL POWER OF THE FATHER, THAT IT SET UP THE MOTHER EQUAL WITH HIM, AND INJOYN'D NOTHING BUT WHAT WAS DUE IN COMMON, TO BOTH FATHER AND MOTHER: FOR THAT IS THE CONSTANT TENOR OF THE SCRIPTURE, HONOUR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER, EXOD. 20. HE THAT SMITETH HIS FATHER OR MOTHER, SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH, 21. 15. HE THAT CURSETH HIS FATHER OR MOTHER, SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH, VER. 17. REPEATED LEV. 20. 9. AND BY OUR SAVIOUR, MATTH. 15. 4. YE SHALL FEAR EVERY MAN HIS MOTHER AND HIS FATHER, LEV. 19. 3. I F A MAN HAVE A REBELLIOUS SON, WHICH WILL NOT OBEY THE VOICE OF HIS FATHER, OR THE VOICE OF HIS MOTHER; THEN SHALL HIS FATHER AND HIS MOTHER, LAY HOLD ON HIM, AND SAY, THIS OUR SON IS STUBBORN AND REBELLIOUS, HE WILL NOT OBEY OUR VOICE, DEUT. 21. 18, 19, 20, 21. CURSED BE HE THAT SETTETH LIGHT BY HIS FATHER OR HIS MOTHER, 27. 16. MY SON, HEAR THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THY FATHER, AND FORSAKE NOT THE LAW OF THY MOTHER, ARE THE WORDS OF SOLOMON A KING, WHO WAS NOT IGNORANT OF WHAT BELONGED TO HIM, AS A FATHER. OR A KING, AND YET HE JOYNS FATHER AND MOTHER TOGETHER, IN ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS HE GIVES CHILDREN QUITE THROUGH HIS BOOK OF PROVERBS, WO UNTO HIM, THAT SAYETH UNTO HIS FATHER, WHAT BEGETTEST THOU, OR TO THE WOMAN, WHAT HAST THOU BROUGHT FORTH, ISA. 45. VER. 10. IN THEE HAVE THEY SET LIGHT BY FATHER OR MOTHER, EZEK. 22. 7. AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS, THAT WHEN ANY SHALL YET PROPHESIE, THEN HIS FATHER AND HIS MOTHER THAT BEGAT HIM, SHALL SAY UNTO HIM, THOU SHALT NOT LIVE, AND HIS FATHER AND HIS MOTHER THAT BEGOT HIM, SHALL THRUST HIM THROUGH WHEN HE PROPHESIETH, ZECH. 13. 3. HERE NOT THE FATHER ONLY, BUT FATHER AND MOTHER JOYNTLY, HAD POWER IN THIS CASE OF LIFE AND DEATH. THUS RAN THE LAW OF THE OLD TESTAMENT, AND IN THE NEW THEY ARE LIKEWISE JOYN'D, IN THE OBEDIENCE OF THEIR CHILDREN, EPH. 6. 1. THE RULE IS, CHILDREN OBEY YOUR PARENTS, AND I DO NOT REMEMBER, THAT I ANY WHERE READ, CHILDREN OBEY YOUR FATHER AND NO MORE. THE SCRIPTURE JOYNS MOTHER TOO IN THAT HOMAGE, WHICH IS DUE FROM CHILDREN, AND HAD THERE BEEN ANY TEXT, WHERE THE HONOUR OR OBEDIENCE OF CHILDREN HAD BEEN DIRECTED TO THE FATHER ALONE, 'TIS NOT LIKELY THAT OUR A., WHO PRETENDS TO BUILD ALL UPON SCRIPTURE, WOULD HAVE OMITTED IT. NAY, THE SCRIPTURE MAKES THE AUTHORITY OF FATHER AND MOTHER, IN RESPECT OF THOSE THEY HAVE BEGOT, SO EQUAL, THAT IN SOME PLACES IT NEGLECTS, EVEN THE PRIORITY OF ORDER, WHICH IS THOUGHT DUE TO THE FATHER, AND THE MOTHER IS PUT FIRST, AS LEV. 19. 3. FROM WHICH SO CONSTANTLY JOYNING FATHER AND MOTHER TOGETHER, AS IS FOUND QUITE THROUGH THE SCRIPTURE, WE MAY CONCLUDE THAT THE HONOUR THEY HAVE A TITLE TO FROM THEIR CHILDREN, IS ONE COMMON RIGHT BELONGING SO EQUALLY TO THEM BOTH, THAT NEITHER CAN CLAIM IT WHOLLY, NEITHER CAN BE EXCLUDED.

§ 62. ONE WOULD WONDER THEN HOW OUR A. INFERS FROM THE 5TH COMMANDMENT, THAT ALL POWER WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE FATHER. HOW HE FINDS MONARCHICAL POWER OF GOVERNMENT, SETTLED AND FIXED BY THE COMMANDMENT, HONOUR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER. IF ALL THE HONOUR DUE BY THE COMMANDMENT, BE IT WHAT IT WILL, BE THE ONLY RIGHT OF THE FATHER, BECAUSE HE, AS OUR A SAYS, HAS THE SOVERAIGNTY OVER THE WOMAN, AS BEING THE NOBLER AND PRINCIPAL AGENT IN GENERATION, WHY DID GOD AFTERWARDS ALL ALONG JOYN THE MOTHER WITH HIM, TO SHARE IN THIS HONOUR? CAN THE FATHER, BY THIS SOVEREIGNTY OF HIS, DISCHARGE THE CHILD FROM PAYING THIS HONOUR TO HIS MOTHER? THE SCRIPTURE GAVE NO SUCH LICENSE TO THE JEWS, AND YET THERE WERE OFTEN BREACHES WIDE ENOUGH BETWIXT HUSBAND AND WIFE, EVEN TO DIVORCE AND SEPARATION, AND, I THINK, NO BODY WILL SAY A CHILD MAY WITHHOLD HONOUR FROM HIS MOTHER, OR, AS THE SCRIPTURE TERMS IT, SET LIGHT BY HER, THOUGH HIS FATHER SHOULD COMMAND HIM TO DO SO, NO MORE THAN THE MOTHER COULD DISPENSE WITH HIM, FOR NEGLECTING TO HONOUR HIS FATHER, WHEREBY 'TIS PLAIN, THAT THIS COMMAND OF GOD, GIVES THE FATHER NO SOVEREIGNTY, NO SUPREMACY.

§ 63. I AGREE WITH OUR A—, THAT THE TITLE TO THIS HONOUR IS VESTED IN THE PARENTS BY NATURE, AND IS A RIGHT WHICH ACCREWS TO THEM, BY THEIR HAVING BEGOTTEN THEIR CHILDREN, AND GOD BY MANY POSITIVE DECLARATIONS HAS CONFIRM'D IT TO THEM: I ALSO ALLOW OUR A—'S RULE, THAT IN GRANTS AND GIFTS, THAT HAVE THEIR ORIGINAL FROM GOD AND NATURE, AS THE POWER OF THE FATHER (LET ME ADD AND MOTHER, FOR WHOM GOD HATH JOYNED TOGETHER, LET NO MAN PUT ASUNDER) NO INFERIOR POWER OF MEN CAN LIMIT, NOR MAKE ANY LAW OF PRESCRIPTION AGAINST THEM, O. 158. SO THAT THE MOTHER HAVING BY THIS LAW OF GOD, A RIGHT TO HONOUR FROM HER CHILDREN, WHICH IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE WILL OF HER HUSBAND, WE SEE THIS ABSOLUTE MONARCHICAL POWER OF THE FATHER, CAN NEITHER BE FOUNDED ON IT, NOR CONSIST WITH IT; AND HE HAS A POWER VERY FAR FROM MONARCHICAL, VERY FAR FROM THAT ABSOLUTENESS OUR A CONTENDS FOR, WHEN ANOTHER HAS OVER HIS SUBJECTS THE SAME POWER HE HATH, AND BY THE SAME TITLE: AND THEREFORE HE CANNOT FORBEAR SAYING HIMSELF THAT HE CANNOT SEE HOW ANY MANS CHILDREN CAN BE FREE FROM SUBJECTION TO THEIR PARENTS, P. 12. WHICH, IN COMMON SPEECH, I THINK, SIGNIFIES MOTHER AS WELL AS FATHER, OR IF PARENTS HERE SIGNIFIES ONLY FATHER, 'TIS THE FIRST TIME I EVER YET KNEW IT TO DO SO, AND BY SUCH AN USE OF WORDS, ONE MAY SAY ANY THING.

§ 64. BY OUR A—'S DOCTRINE, THE FATHER HAVING ABSOLUTE JURISDICTION OVER HIS CHILDREN, HAS ALSO THE SAME OVER THEIR ISSUE, AND THE CONSEQUENCE IS GOOD, WERE IT TRUE, THAT THE FATHER HAD SUCH A POWER: AND YET I ASK OUR A WHETHER THE GRANDFATHER, BY HIS SOVEREIGNTY, COULD DISCHARGE THE GRAND-CHILD FROM PAYING TO HIS FATHER THE HONOUR DUE TO HIM BY THE 5TH COMMANDMENT. IF THE GRANDFATHER HATH BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD, SOLE SOVEREIGN POWER IN HIM, AND THAT OBEDIENCE WHICH IS DUE TO THE SUPREME MAGISTRATE, BE COMMANDED IN THESE WORDS, HONOUR THY FATHER, 'TIS CERTAIN THE GRANDFATHER MIGHT DISPENSE WITH THE GRAND-SONS HONOURING HIS FATHER, WHICH, SINCE 'TIS EVIDENT IN COMMON SENSE, HE CANNOT, IT FOLLOWS FROM HENCE THAT, HONOUR THY FATHER AND MOTHER, CANNOT MEAN AN ABSOLUTE SUBJECTION TO A SOVEREIGN POWER, BUT SOMETHING ELSE. THE RIGHT THEREFORE WHICH PARENTS HAVE BY NATURE, AND WHICH IS CONFIRMED TO THEM BY THE 5TH COMMANDMENT, CANNOT BE THAT POLITICAL DOMINION, WHICH OUR A WOULD DERIVE FROM IT: FOR THAT BEING IN EVERY CIVIL SOCIETY SUPREME SOMEWHERE, CAN DISCHARGE ANY SUBJECT FROM ANY POLITICAL OBEDIENCE TO ANY ONE OF HIS FELLOW SUBJECTS. BUT WHAT LAW OF THE MAGISTRATE, CAN GIVE A CHILD LIBERTY, NOT TO HONOUR HIS FATHER AND MOTHER? 'TIS AN ETERNAL LAW ANNEX'D PURELY TO THE RELATION OF PARENTS AND CHILDREN, AND SO CONTAINS NOTHING OF THE MAGISTRATES POWER IN IT, NOR IS SUBJECTED TO IT.

§ 65. OUR A SAYS, GOD HATH GIVEN TO A FATHER, A RIGHT OR LIBERTY TO ALIEN HIS POWER OVER HIS CHILDREN TO ANY OTHER, O. 155. I DOUBT WHETHER HE CAN ALIEN WHOLLY THE RIGHT OF HONOUR THAT IS DUE FROM THEM; BUT BE THAT AS IT WILL, THIS I AM SURE, HE CANNOT ALIEN, AND RETAIN THE SAME POWER, IF THEREFORE THE MAGISTRATES SOVEREIGNTY BE AS OUR A WOULD HAVE IT, NOTHING BUT THE AUTHORITY OF A SUPREME FATHER, P. 23. 'TIS UNAVOIDABLE, THAT IF THE MAGISTRATE HATH ALL THIS PATERNAL RIGHT AS HE MUST HAVE IF FATHERHOOD BE THE FOUNTAIN OF ALL AUTHORITY, THEN THE SUBJECTS THOUGH FATHERS, CAN HAVE NO POWER OVER THEIR CHILDREN, NO RIGHT TO HONOUR FROM THEM: FOR IT CANNOT BE ALL IN ANOTHERS HANDS, AND A PART REMAIN WITH THE PARENTS. SO THAT ACCORDING TO OUR A—'S OWN DOCTRINE, HONOUR THY FATHER AND MOTHER CANNOT POSSIBLY BE UNDERSTOOD OF POLITICAL SUBJECTION AND OBEDIENCE; SINCE THE LAWS BOTH IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT, THAT COMMANDED CHILDREN TO HONOUR AND OBEY THEIR PARENTS, WERE GIVEN TO SUCH; WHOSE FATHERS WERE UNDER CIVIL GOVERNMENT, AND FELLOW SUBJECTS WITH THEM IN POLITICAL SOCIETIES; AND TO HAVE BID THEM HONOUR AND OBEY THEIR PARENTS IN OUR A—'S SENSE, HAD BEEN TO BID THEM BE SUBJECTS TO THOSE WHO HAD NO TITLE TO IT, THE RIGHT TO OBEDIENCE FROM SUBJECTS, BEING ALL VESTED IN ANOTHER: AND INSTEAD OF TEACHING OBEDIENCE, THIS HAD BEEN TO FOMENT SEDITION, BY SETTING UP POWERS THAT WERE NOT. IF THEREFORE THIS COMMAND, HONOUR THY FATHER AND MOTHER, CONCERN POLITICAL DOMINION, IT DIRECTLY OVERTHROWS OUR A—'S MONARCHY; IT BEING SINCE TO BE PAID BY EVERY CHILD TO HIS FATHER, EVEN IN SOCIETY, EVERY FATHER MUST NECESSARILY HAVE POLITICAL DOMINION, AND THERE WILL BE AS MANY SOVEREIGNS AS THERE ARE FATHERS: BESIDES THAT THE MOTHER TOO HATH HER TITLE, WHICH DESTROYS THE SOVEREIGNTY OF ONE SUPREAM MONARCH. BUT IF HONOUR THY FATHER AND MOTHER MEAN SOMETHING DISTINCT FROM POLITICAL POWER, AS NECESSARILY IT MUST, IT IS BESIDES OUR A—'S BUSINESS, AND SERVES NOTHING TO HIS PURPOSE.

§ 66. THE LAW THAT ENJOYNS OBEDIENCE TO KINGS IS DELIVERED, SAYS OUR A—, IN THE TERMS, HONOUR THY FATHER, AS IF ALL POWER WERE ORIGINALLY IN THE FATHER, P. 23. AND THAT LAW IS ALSO DELIVERED, SAY I, IN THE TERMS, HONOUR THY MOTHER, AS IF ALL POWER WERE ORIGINALLY IN THE MOTHER. I APPEAL WHETHER THE ARGUMENT BE NOT AS GOOD ON ONE SIDE AS THE OTHER, FATHER AND MOTHER BEING JOYNED ALL ALONG IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT WHERE EVER HONOUR OR OBEDIENCE IS INJOYN'D CHILDREN. AGAIN OUR A TELLS US, O. 254. THAT THIS COMMAND, HONOUR THY FATHER GIVES THE RIGHT TO GOVERN, AND MAKES THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT, MONARCHICAL. TO WHICH I ANSWER, THAT, IF BY HONOUR THY FATHER BE MEANT OBEDIENCE TO THE POLITICAL POWER OF THE MAGISTRATE, IT CONCERNS NOT ANY DUTY WE OWE TO OUR NATURAL FATHERS WHO ARE SUBJECTS: BECAUSE THEY, BY OUR A—'S DOCTRINE, ARE DIVESTED OF ALL THAT POWER, IT BEING PLACED WHOLLY IN THE PRINCE, AND SO BEING EQUALLY SUBJECTS AND SLAVES WITH THEIR CHILDREN, CAN HAVE NO RIGHT BY THAT TITLE, TO ANY SUCH HONOUR OR OBEDIENCE, AS CONTAINS IN IT POLITICAL SUBJECTION: IF HONOUR THY FATHER AND MOTHER SIGNIFIES THE DUTY WE OWE OUR NATURAL PARENTS, AS BY OUR SAVIOUR'S INTERPRETATION, MATTH. 15. 4. AND ALL THE OTHER MENTIONED PLACES, 'TIS PLAIN IT DOES, THEN IT CANNOT CONCERN POLITICAL OBEDIENCE, BUT A DUTY THAT IS OWING TO PERSONS, WHO HAVE NO TITLE TO SOVEREIGNTY, NOR ANY POLITICAL AUTHORITY AS MAGISTRATES OVER SUBJECTS. FOR THE PERSON OF A PRIVATE FATHER, AND A TITLE TO OBEDIENCE, DUE TO THE SUPREME MAGISTRATE, ARE THINGS INCONSISTENT; AND THEREFORE THIS COMMAND, WHICH MUST NECESSARILY COMPREHEND THE PERSONS OF OUR NATURAL FATHERS, MUST MEAN A DUTY WE OWE THEM DISTINCT FROM OUR OBEDIENCE TO THE MAGISTRATE, AND FROM WHICH THE MOST ABSOLUTE POWER OF PRINCES CANNOT ABSOLVE US: WHAT THIS DUTY IS, WE SHALL IN ITS DUE PLACE EXAMINE.

§ 67. AND THUS WE HAVE AT LAST GOT THROUGH ALL THAT IN OUR A. LOOKS LIKE AN ARGUMENT FOR THAT ABSOLUTE UNLIMITED SOVEREIGNTY DESCRIBED, SECT. 8. WHICH HE SUPPOSES IN ADAM, SO THAT MANKIND EVER SINCE HAVE BEEN ALL BORN SLAVES, WITHOUT ANY TITLE TO FREEDOM. BUT IF CREATION WHICH GAVE NOTHING BUT A BEING, MADE NOT ADAM PRINCE OF HIS POSTERITY: IF ADAM, GEN. 1. 28. WAS NOT CONSTITUTED LORD OF MANKIND, NOR HAD A PRIVATE DOMINION GIVEN HIM EXCLUSIVE OF HIS CHILDREN, BUT ONLY A RIGHT AND POWER OVER THE EARTH, AND INFERIOUR CREATURES IN COMMON WITH THE CHILDREN OF MEN: IF ALSO GEN. 3. 16. GOD GAVE NOT ANY POLITICAL POWER TO ADAM OVER HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN, BUT ONLY SUBJECTED EVE TO ADAM, AS A PUNISHMENT, OR FORETOLD THE SUBJECTION OF THE WEAKER SEX, IN THE ORDERING THE COMMON CONCERNMENTS OF THEIR FAMILIES, BUT GAVE NOT THEREBY TO ADAM, AS TO THE HUSBAND, POWER OF LIFE AND DEATH, WHICH NECESSARILY BELONGS TO THE MAGISTRATE: IF FATHERS BY BEGETTING THEIR CHILDREN ACQUIRE NO SUCH POWER OVER THEM: AND IF THE COMMAND, HONOUR THY FATHER AND MOTHER, GIVE IT NOT, BUT ONLY ENJOYNS A DUTY OWING. TO PARENTS EQUALLY, WHETHER SUBJECTS OR NOT, AND TO THE MOTHER AS WELL AS THE FATHER, IF ALL THIS BE SO, AS I THINK, BY WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, IS VERY EVIDENT, THEN MAN HAS A NATURAL FREEDOM, NOTWITHSTANDING ALL OUR A. CONFIDENTLY SAYS TO THE CONTRARY, SINCE ALL THAT SHARE IN THE SAME COMMON NATURE, FACULTIES AND POWERS, ARE IN NATURE EQUAL, AND OUGHT TO PARTAKE IN THE SAME COMMON RIGHTS AND PRIVILEDGES, TILL THE MANIFEST APPOINTMENT OF GOD, WHO IS LORD OVER ALL, BLESSED FOR EVER, CAN BE PRODUCED TO SHEW ANY PARTICULAR PERSONS SUPREMACY, OR A MANS OWN CONSENT SUBJECTS HIM TO A SUPERIOR. THIS IS SO PLAIN, THAT OUR A. CONFESSES, THAT SIR JOHN HAYWARD, BLACKWOOD AND BARCLAY, THE GREAT VINDICATORS OF THE RIGHT OF KINGS, COULD NOT DENY IT, BUT ADMIT WITH ONE CONSENT THE NATURAL LIBERTY AND EQUALITY OF MANKIND, FOR A TRUTH UNQUESTIONABLE. AND OUR A. HATH BEEN SO FAR FROM PRODUCING ANY THING, THAT MAY MAKE GOOD HIS GREAT POSITION, THAT ADAM WAS ABSOLUTE MONARCH, AND SO MEN ARE NOT NATURALLY FREE, THAT EVEN HIS OWN PROOFS MAKE AGAINST HIM; SO THAT TO USE HIS OWN WAY OF ARGUING, THIS FIRST ERRONEOUS PRINCIPLE FAILING, THE WHOLE FABRICK OF THIS VAST ENGINE OF ABSOLUTE POWER AND TYRANNY, DROPS DOWN OF IT SELF, AND THERE NEEDS NO MORE TO BE SAID IN ANSWER TO ALL THAT HE BUILDS UPON SO FALSE AND FRAIL A FOUNDATION.

§ 68. BUT TO SAVE OTHERS THE PAINS, WERE THERE ANY NEED, HE IS NOT SPARING HIMSELF TO SHEW, BY HIS OWN CONTRADICTIONS, THE WEAKNESS OF HIS OWN DOCTRINE. ADAM'S ABSOLUTE AND SOLE DOMINION IS THAT WHICH HE IS EVERY WHERE FULL OF, AND ALL ALONG BUILDS ON, AND YET HE TELLS US, PAG. 12. THAT AS ADAM WAS LORD OF HIS CHILDREN, SO HIS CHILDREN UNDER HIM HAD A COMMAND AND POWER OVER THEIR OWN CHILDREN. THE UNLIMITED AND UNDIVIDED SOVEREIGNTY OF ADAM'S FATHERHOOD, BY OUR A'S COMPUTATION, STOOD BUT A LITTLE WHILE, ONLY DURING THE FIRST GENERATION, BUT AS SOON AS HE HAD GRAND-CHILDREN, SIR ROB. COULD GIVE BUT A VERY ILL ACCOUNT OF IT. ADAM, AS FATHER OF HIS CHILDREN, SAITH HE, HASH AN ABSOLUTE, UNLIMITED ROYAL POWER OVER THEM, AND BY VIRTUE THEREOF OVER THOSE THAT THEY BEGOT, AND SO TO ALL GENERATIONS; AND , YET HIS CHILDREN, VIZ. CAIN AND SETH, HAVE A PATERNAL POWER OVER THEIR CHILDREN AT THE SAME TIME: SO THAT THEY ARE AT THE SAME TIME ABSOLUTE LORDS, AND YET VASSALS AND SLAVES: ADAM HAS ALL THE AUTHORITY, AS GRAND-FATHER OF THE PEOPLE, AND THEY HAVE A PART OF IT AS FATHERS OF A PART OF THEM: HE IS ABSOLUTE OVER THEM AND THEIR POSTERITY, BY HAVING BEGOTTEN THEM, AND YET THEY ARE ABSOLUTE OVER THEIR CHILDREN BY THE SAME TITLE. NO, SAYS OUR A., ADAM'S CHILDREN UNDER HIM, HAD POWER OVER THEIR OWN CHILDREN, BUT STILL WITH SUBORDINATION TO THE FIRST PARENT. A GOOD DISTINCTION THAT SOUNDS WELL, AND 'TIS PITY IT SIGNIFIES NOTHING, NOR CAN BE RECONCILED WITH OUR A'S WORDS. I READILY GRANT, THAT SUPPOSING ADAM'S ABSOLUTE POWER OVER HIS POSTERITY, ANY OF HIS CHILDREN MIGHT HAVE FROM HIM A DELEGATED, AND SO A SUBORDINATE POWER OVER A PART, OR ALL THE REST: BUT THAT CANNOT BE THE POWER OUR A. SPEAKS OF HERE, IT IS NOT A POWER BY GRANT AND COMMISSION, BUT THE NATURAL PATERNAL POWER HE SUPPOSES A FATHER TO HAVE OVER HIS CHILDREN. FOR 1°, HE SAYS, AS ADAM WAS LORD OF HIS CHILDREN, SO HIS CHILDREN UNDER HIM HAD A POWER OVER THEIR OWN CHILDREN: THEY WERE THEN LORDS OVER THEIR OWN CHILDREN AFTER THE SAME MANNER, AND BY THE SAME TITLE, THAT ADAM WAS, I.E. BY RIGHT OF GENERATION, BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD. 2°. 'TIS PLAIN HE MEANS THE NATURAL POWER OF FATHERS, BECAUSE HE LIMITS IT TO BE ONLY OVER THEIR OWN CHILDREN; A DELEGATED POWER HAS NO SUCH LIMITATION, AS ONLY OVER THEIR OWN CHILDREN, IT MIGHT BE OVER OTHERS, AS WELL AS THEIR OWN CHILDREN. 3°. IF IT WERE A DELEGATED POWER, IT MUST APPEAR IN SCRIPTURE: BUT THERE IS NO GROUND IN SCRIPTURE TO AFFIRM, THAT ADAM'S CHILDREN HAD ANY OTHER POWER OVER THEIRS, THAN WHAT THEY NATURALLY HAD AS FATHERS.

§ 69. BUT THAT HE MEANS HERE PATERNAL POWER, AND NO OTHER, IS PAST DOUBT FROM THE INFERENCE HE MAKES IN THESE WORDS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING, I SEE NOT THEN HOW THE CHILDREN OF ADAM, OR OF ANY MAN ELSE CAN BE FREE FROM SUBJECTION TO THEIR PARENTS: WHEREBY IT APPEARS, THAT THE POWER ON ONE SIDE, AND THE SUBJECTION ON THE OTHER, OUR A. HERE SPEAKS OF, IS THAT NATURAL POWER AND SUBJECTION BETWEEN PARENTS AND CHILDREN. FOR THAT WHICH EVERY MANS CHILDREN OWED, COULD BE NO OTHER: AND THAT OUR A. ALWAYS AFFIRMS TO BE ABSOLUTE AND UNLIMITED. THIS NATURAL POWER OF PARENTS OVER THEIR CHILDREN, ADAM HAD OVER HIS POSTERITY, SAYS OUR A., AND THIS POWER OF PARENTS OVER THEIR CHILDREN, HIS CHILDREN HAD OVER THEIRS IN HIS LIFE TIME, SAYS OUR A. ALSO: SO THAT ADAM, BY A NATURAL RIGHT OF FATHER, HAD AN ABSOLUTE, UNLIMITED POWER OVER ALL HIS POSTERITY, AND AT THE SAME TIME HIS CHILDREN HAD BY THE SAME RIGHT ABSOLUTE UNLIMITED POWER OVER THEIRS. HERE THEN ARE TWO ABSOLUTE UNLIMITED POWERS EXISTING TOGETHER, WHICH I WOULD HAVE ANY BODY RECONCILE ONE TO ANOTHER, OR TO COMMON SENSE. FOR THE SALVO HE HAS PUT IN OF SUBORDINATION, MAKES IT MORE ABSURD: TO HAVE ONE ABSOLUTE, UNLIMITED, NAY UNLIMITABLE POWER IN SUBORDINATION TO ANOTHER, IS SO MANIFEST A CONTRADICTION, THAT NOTHING CAN BE MORE. ADAM IS ABSOLUTE PRINCE WITH THE UNLIMITED AUTHORITY OF FATHERHOOD OVER ALL HIS POSTERITY; ALL HIS POSTERITY ARE THEN ABSOLUTELY HIS SUBJECTS, AND, AS OUR A. SAYS, HIS SLAVES, CHILDREN AND GRAND-CHILDREN, ARE EQUALLY IN THIS STATE OF SUBJECTION AND SLAVERY, AND YET, SAYS OUR A. THE CHILDREN OF ADAM HAVE PATERNAL, I.E. ABSOLUTE, UNLIMITED POWER OVER THEIR OWN CHILDREN: WHICH IN PLAIN ENGLISH IS, THEY ARE SLAVES AND ABSOLUTE PRINCES AT THE SAME TIME, AND IN THE SAME GOVERNMENT, AND ONE PART OF THE SUBJECTS HAVE AN ABSOLUTE UNLIMITED POWER OVER THE OTHER BY THE NATURAL RIGHT OF PARENTAGE.

§ 70. IF ANY ONE WILL SUPPOSE IN FAVOUR OF OUR A. THAT HE HERE MEANT, THAT PARENTS, WHO ARE IN SUBJECTION THEMSELVES TO THE ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY OF THEIR FATHER, HAVE YET SOME POWER OVER THEIR CHILDREN: I CONFESS HE IS SOMETHING NEARER THE TRUTH: BUT HE WILL NOT AT ALL HEREBY HELP OUR A. FOR HE NO WHERE SPEAKING OF THE PATERNAL POWER, BUT AS AN ABSOLUTE UNLIMITED AUTHORITY, CANNOT BE SUPPOS'D TO UNDERSTAND ANY THING ELSE HERE, UNLESS HE HIMSELF HAD LIMITED IT, AND SHEWED HOW FAR IT REACH'D. AND THAT HE MEANS HERE PATERNAL AUTHORITY IN THAT LARGE EXTENT, IS PLAIN FROM THE IMMEDIATE FOLLOWING WORDS; THIS SUBJECTION OF CHILDREN BEING, SAYS HE, THE FOUNTAIN OF ALL REGAL AUTHORITY, P. 12. THE SUBJECTION, THEN THAT IN THE FORMER LINE HE SAYS, EVERY MAN IS IN TO HIS PARENTS, AND CONSEQUENTLY WHAT ADAM'S GRAND-CHILDREN WERE IN TO THEIR PARENTS, WAS THAT WHICH WAS THE FOUNTAIN OF ALL REGAL AUTHORITY, I.E. ACCORDING TO OUR A., ABSOLUTE, UNLIMITABLE AUTHORITY. AND THUS ADAM'S CHILDREN HAD REGAL AUTHORITY OVER THEIR CHILDREN, WHILST THEY THEMSELVES WERE SUBJECTS TO THEIR FATHER, AND FELLOW. SUBJECTS WITH THEIR CHILDREN. BUT LET HIM MEAN AS BE PLEASES, 'TIS PLAIN HE ALLOWS ADAM'S CHILDREN TO HAVE PATERNAL POWER, P. 12. AS ALSO ALL OTHER FATHERS TO HAVE PATERNAL POWER OVER THEIR CHILDREN, O. 156. FROM WHENCE ONE OF THESE TWO THINGS WILL NECESSARILY FOL. LOW, THAT EITHER ADAM'S CHILDREN, EVEN IN HIS LIFETIME, HAD, AND SO ALL OTHER FATHERS HAVE, AS HE PHRASES IT, P. 12. BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD ROYAL AUTHORITY OVER THEIR CHILDREN, OR ELSE, THAT ADAM, BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD, HAD NOT ROYAL AUTHORITY: FOR IT CANNOT BE BUT THAT PATERNAL POWER DOES, OR DOES NOT, GIVE ROYAL AUTHORITY TO THEM THAT HAVE IT: IF IT DOES NOT, THEN ADAM COULD NOT BE SOVEREIGN BY THIS TITLE, NOR ANY BODY ELSE, AND THEN THERE IS AN END OF ALL OUR A'S POLITICS AT ONCE; IF IT DOES GIVE ROYAL AUTHORITY, THEN EVERY ONE THAT HAS PATERNAL POWER HAS ROYAL AUTHORITY, AND THEN BY OUR A'S PATRIARCHICAL GOVERNMENT, THERE WILL BE AS MANY KINGS AS THERE ARE FATHERS.

§ 71. AND THUS WHAT A MONARCHY HE BATH SET UP, LET HIM AND HIS DISCIPLES CONSIDER. PRINCES CERTAINLY WILL HAVE GREAT REASON TO THANK HIM FOR THESE NEW POLITICS, WHICH SET UP AS MANY ABSOLUTE KINGS IN EVERY COUNTRY AS THERE ARE FATHERS OF CHILDREN. AND YET WHO CAN BLAME OUR A. FOR IT, IT LYING UNAVOIDABLY IN THE WAY OF ONE DISCOURSING UPON OUR A'S PRINCIPLES? FOR HAVING PLACED AN ABSOLUTE POWER IN FATHERS BY RIGHT OF BEGETTING, HE COULD NOT EASILY RESOLVE HOW MUCH OF THIS POWER BELONG'D TO A SON OVER THE CHILDREN HE HAD BEGOTTEN; AND SO IT FELL OUT TO BE A VERY HARD MATTER TO GIVE ALL THE POWER, AS HE DOES, TO ADAM, AND YET ALLOW A PART IN HIS LIFETIME TO HIS CHILDREN, WHEN THEY WERE PARENTS, AND WHICH HE KNEW NOT WELL HOW TO DENY THEM. THIS MAKES HIM SO DOUBTFUL IN HIS EXPRESSIONS, AND SO UNCERTAIN WHERE TO PLACE THIS ABSOLUTE NATURAL POWER, WHICH HE CALLS FATHERHOOD, SOMETIMES ADAM ALONE HAS IT ALL, AS P. 13. O. 244, 245. & PREF.. SOMETIMES PARENTS HAVE IT, WHICH WORD SCARCE SIGNIFIES THE FATHER ALONE, P. 12. 19. SOMETIMES CHILDREN DURING THEIR FATHERS LIFETIME, AS P. 12. SOMETIMES FATHERS OF FAMILIES, AS P. 78, AND 79. SOMETIMES FATHERS INDEFINITELY, O. 155. SOMETIMES THE HEIR TO ADAM, O. 253. SOMETIMES THE POSTERITY OF ADAM, 244, 246. SOMETIMES PRIME FATHERS, ALL SONS OR GRAND-CHILDREN O F NOAH, 0. 244. SOMETIMES THE ELDEST PARENTS, P. 12. SOMETIMES ALL KINGS, P. 19. SOMETIMES ALL THAT HAVE SUPREME POWER, O. 245. SOMETIMES HEIRS TO THOSE FIRST PROGENITORS, WHO WERE AT FIRST THE NATURAL PARENTS OF THE WHOLE PEOPLE, P. 19. SOMETIMES AN ELECTIVE KIN G, P. 23. SOMETIMES THOSE WHETHER A FEW OR A MULTITUDE THAT GOVERN THE COMMONWEALTH, P. 23. SOMETIMES HE THAT CAN CATCH IT, AN USURPER, P. 23. 0. 155.

§ 72. THUS THIS NEW NOTHING, THAT IS TO CARRY WITH IT ALL POWER, AUTHORITY, AND GOVERNMENT; THIS FATHERHOOD WHICH IS TO DESIGN THE PERSON, AND ESTABLISH THE THRONE OF MONARCHS, WHOM THE PEOPLE ARE .TO OBEY, MAY, ACCORDING TO SIR ROBERT, COME INTO ANY HANDS, ANY HOW, AND SO BY HIS POLITICKS GIVE TO DEMOCRACY ROYAL AUTHORITY, AND MAKE AN USURPER A LAWFUL PRINCE. AND IF IT WILL DO ALL THESE FINE FEATS, MUCH GOOD DO OUR AUTHOR AND ALL HIS FOLLOWERS WITH THEIR OMNIPOTENT FATHERHOOD, WHICH CAN SERVE FOR NOTHING BUT TO UNSETTLE AND DESTROY ALL THE LAWFUL GOVERNMENTS IN THE WORLD, AND TO ESTABLISH IN THEIR ROOM DISORDER, TYRANNY, AND USURPATION.

BOOK I, CHAPTER 7 OF FATHERHOOD AND PROPERTY CONSIDERED TOGETHER AS FOUNTAINS OF SOVEREIGNTY

§ 73. IN THE FOREGOING CHAPTERS WE HAVE SEEN WHAT ADAM'S MONARCHY WAS, IN OUR A'S OPINION, AND UPON WHAT TITLES HE FOUNDED IT. THE FOUNDATIONS WHICH HE LAYS THE CHIEF STRESS ON, AS THOSE FROM WHICH HE THINKS HE MAY BEST DERIVE MONARCHICAL POWER TO FUTURE PRINCES, ARE TWO, VIZ. FATHERHOOD AND PROPERTY, AND THEREFORE THE WAY HE PROPOSES TO REMOVE THE ABSURDITIES AND INCONVENIENCES OF THE DOCTRINE OF NATURAL FREEDOM, IS, TO MAINTAIN THE NATURAL AND PRIVATE DOMINION OF ADAM,- O. 222. CONFORMABLE HEREUNTO, HE TELLS US, THE GROUNDS AND PRINCIPLES OF GOVERNMENT NECESSARILY DEPEND UPON THE ORIGINAL OF PROPERTY, O. 108. THE SUBJECTION OF CHILDREN -TO THEIR PARENTS IS THE FOUNTAIN OF ALL REGAL AUTHORITY, P. 12. AND ALL POWER ON EARTH IS EITHER, DERIVED OR USURPED FROM THE FATHERLY POWER, THERE BEING NO OTHER ORIGINAL TO BE FOUND OF ANY POWER WHATSOEVER, O. 158. I WILL NOT STAND HERE TO EXAMINE HOW IT CAN BE SAID WITHOUT A CONTRADICTION, THAT THE FIRST GROUNDS AND PRINCIPLES OF GOVERNMENT NECESSARILY DEPEND UPON THE ORIGINAL OF PROPERTY, AND YET, THAT THERE IS NO OTHER ORIGINAL OF ANY POWER WHATSOEVER, BUT THAT OF THE FATHER: IT BEING HARD TO UNDERSTAND HOW THERE CAN BE NO OTHER ORIGINAL BUT FATHERHOOD, AND YET THAT THE GROUNDS AND PRINCIPLES OF GOVERNMENT DEPEND UPON THE ORIGINAL OF PROPERTY; PROPERTY AND FATHERHOOD BEING AS FAR DIFFERENT AS LORD OF A MANNOR AND FATHER OF CHILDREN. NOR DO I SEE HOW THEY WILL EITHER OF THEM AGREE WITH WHAT OUR A. SAYS, O. 244 OF GOD'S SENTENCE AGAINST EVE, GEN. 3. 16. THAT IT IS THE ORIGINAL GRANT OF GOVERNMENT: SO THAT IF THAT WERE THE ORIGINAL, GOVERNMENT HAD NOT ITS ORIGINAL BY OUR A'S OWN CONFESSION, EITHER FROM PROPERTY OR FATHERHOOD; AND THIS TEXT WHICH HE BRINGS AS A PROOF OF ADAM'S POWER OVER EVE, NECESSARILY CONTRADICTS WHAT HE SAYS OF THE FATHERHOOD, THAT IT IS THE SOLE FOUNTAIN OF ALL POWER. FOR IF ADAM HAD ANY SUCH REGAL POWER OVER EVE, AS OUR A. CONTENDS FOR, IT MUST BE BY SOME OTHER TITLE THAN THAT OF BEGETTING.

§ 74. BUT I LEAVE HIM TO RECONCILE THESE CONTRADICTIONS AS WELL AS MANY OTHERS, WHICH MAY PLENTIFULLY BE FOUND IN HIM BY ANY ONE, WHO WILL BUT READ HIM WITH A LITTLE ATTENTION, AND SHALL COME NOW TO CONSIDER HOW THESE TWO ORIGINALS OF GOVERNMENT, ADAM'S NATURAL AND PRIVATE DOMINION, WILL CONSIST, AND SERVE TO MAKE OUT AND ESTABLISH THE TITLES OF SUCCEEDING MONARCHS, WHO, AS OUR A. OBLIGES THEM, MUST ALL DERIVE THEIR POWER FROM THESE FOUNTAINS. LET US THEN SUPPOSE ADAM MADE BY GOD'S DONATION LORD AND SOLE PROPRIETOR OF THE WHOLE EARTH, IN AS LARGE AND AMPLE A MANNER AS SIR ROBERT COULD WISH; LET US SUPPOSE HIM ALSO BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD ABSOLUTE RULER OVER HIS CHILDREN WITH AN UNLIMITED SUPREMACY, I ASK THEN UPON ADAM'S DEATH WHAT BECOMES OF BOTH HIS NATURAL AND PRIVATE DOMINION, AND I DOUBT NOT 'TWILL BE ANSWERED, THAT THEY DESCENDED TO HIS NEXT HEIR, AS OUR A. TELLS US IN SEVERAL PLACES; BUT THIS WAY 'TIS PLAIN, CANNOT POSSIBLY CONVEY BOTH HIS NATURAL AND PRIVATE DOMINION TO THE SAME PERSON. FOR SHOULD WE ALLOW THAT ALL THE PROPERTY, ALL THE ESTATE OF THE FATHER OUGHT TO DESCEND TO THE ELDEST SON, (WHICH WILL NEED SOME PROOF TO ESTABLISH IT) AND SO HE HAS BY THAT TITLE ALL THE PRIVATE DOMINION OF -THE FATHER, YET THE FATHER'S NATURAL DOMINION, THE PATERNAL POWER CANNOT DESCEND TO HIM BY INHERITANCE. FOR IT BEING A RIGHT THAT ACCREWS TO A MAN ONLY BY BEGETTING, NO MAN CAN HAVE THIS NATURAL DOMINION OVER ANY ONE HE DOES NOT BEGET: UNLESS IT CAN BE SUPPOS'D, THAT A MAN CAN HAVE A RIGHT TO ANY THING, WITHOUT DOING THAT UPON WHICH THAT RIGHT IS SOLELY FOUNDED. FOR IF A FATHER BY BEGETTING, AND NO OTHER TITLE, HAS NATURAL DOMINION OVER HIS CHILDREN, HE THAT DOES NOT BEGET THEM, CANNOT HAVE THIS NATURAL DOMINION OVER THEM: AND THEREFORE BE IT TRUE OR FALSE THAT OUR A. SAYS, O. 156. THAT EVERY MAN THAT IS BORN, BY HIS VERY BIRTH BECOMES A SUBJECT TO HIM THAT BEGETS HIM, THIS NECESSARILY FOLLOWS, VIZ. THAT A MAN BY HIS BIRTH CANNOT BECOME A SUBJECT TO HIS BROTHER, WHO DID NOT BEGET HIM: UNLESS IT CAN BE SUPPOS'D THAT A MAN BY THE VERY SAME TITLE CAN COME TO BE UNDER THE NATURAL AND ABSOLUTE DOMINION OF TWO DIFFERENT MEN AT ONCE, OR IT BE SENSE TO SAY, THAT A MAN BY BIRTH IS UNDER THE NATURAL DOMINION OF HIS FATHER, ONLY BECAUSE HE BEGAT HIM, AND A MAN BY BIRTH ALSO IS UNDER THE NATURAL DOMINION OF HIS ELDEST BROTHER, THOUGH HE DID NOT BEGET HIM.

§ 75. IF THEN THE PRIVATE DOMINION OF ADAM, I.E. HIS PROPERTY IN THE CREATURES, DESCENDED AT HIS DEATH ALL ENTIRELY TO HIS ELDEST SON, HIS HEIR; (FOR IF IT DID NOT, THERE IS PRESENTLY AN END OF ALL SIR ROBERT'S MONARCHY) AND HIS NATURAL DOMINION, THE DOMINION A FATHER HAS OVER HIS CHILDREN BY BEGETTING THEM, BELONG'D IMMEDIATELY UPON ADAM'S DECEASE EQUALLY TO ALL HIS SONS WHO HAD CHILDREN, BY THE SAME TITLE THEIR FATHER HAD IT, THE SOVEREIGNTY FOUNDED UPON PROPERTY, AND THE SOVEREIGNTY FOUNDED UPON FATHERHOOD, COME TO BE DIVIDED: SINCE CAIN AS HEIR HAD THAT OF PROPERTY ALONE, SETH AND THE OTHER SONS THAT OF FATHERHOOD EQUALLY WITH HIM. THIS IS THE BEST CAN BE MADE OF OUR A'S DOCTRINE, AND OF THE TWO TITLES OF SOVEREIGNTY HE SETS UP IN ADAM, ONE OF THEM WILL EITHER SIGNIFIE NOTHING, OR IF THEY BOTH MUST STAND, THEY CAN SERVE ONLY TO CONFOUND THE RIGHTS OF PRINCES, AND DISORDER GOVERNMENT IN HIS POSTERITY. FOR BY BUILDING UPON TWO TITLES TO DOMINION, WHICH CANNOT DESCEND TOGETHER, AND WHICH HE ALLOWS MAY BE SEPARATED (FOR HE YIELDS THAT ADAM'S CHILDREN HAD THEIR DISTINCT TERRITORIES BY RIGHT OF PRIVATE DOMINION, O. 210. P. 40) HE MAKES IT PERPETUALLY A DOUBT UPON HIS PRINCIPLES WHERE THE SOVEREIGNTY IS, OR TO WHOM WE OWE OUR OBEDIENCE, SINCE FATHERHOOD AND PROPERTY ARE DISTINCT TITLES, AND BEGAN PRESENTLY UPON ADAM'S DEATH TO BE IN DISTINCT PERSONS. AND WHICH THEN WAS TO GIVE WAY TO THE OTHER?

§ 76. LET US TAKE THE ACCOUNT OF IT, AS HE HIMSELF GIVES IT US. HE TELLS US OUT OF GROTIUS, THAT ADAM'S CHILDREN BY DONATION, ASSIGNATION, OR SOME KIND OF CESSION BEFORE HE WAS DEAD, HAD THEIR DISTINCT TERRITORIES BY RIGHT OF PRIVATE DOMINION; ABEL HAD HIS FLOCKS AND PASTURES FOR THEM; CAIN HAD HIS FIELDS FOR CORN, AND THE LAND OF NOD WHERE HE BUILT HIM A CITY, O. 210. HERE 'TIS OBVIOUS TO DEMAND WHICH OF THESE TWO AFTER ADAM'S DEATH, WAS SOVEREIGN? CAIN, SAYS OUR A. P. 19. BY WHAT TITLE? AS HEIR; FOR HEIRS TO PROGENITORS, WHO WERE NATURAL PARENTS OF THEIR PEOPLE, ARE NOT ONLY LORDS OF THEIR OWN CHILDREN, BUT ALSO OF THEIR BRETHREN, SAYS OUR A. P. 19. WHAT WAS CAIN HEIR TO? NOT THE ENTIRE POSSESSIONS, NOT ALL THAT WHICH ADAM HAD PRIVATE DOMINION IN, FOR OUR A. ALLOWS THAT ABEL BY A TITLE DERIVED FROM HIS FATHER, HAD HIS DISTINCT TERRITORY FOR PASTURE BY RIGHT OF PRIVATE DOMINION. WHAT THEN ABEL HAD BY PRIVATE DOMINION, WAS EXEMPT FROM CAIN'S DOMINION. FOR HE COULD NOT HAVE PRIVATE DOMINION OVER THAT, WHICH WAS UNDER THE PRIVATE DOMINION OF ANOTHER, AND THEREFORE HIS SOVEREIGNTY OVER HIS BROTHER IS GONE WITH THIS PRIVATE DOMINION, AND SO THERE ARE PRESENTLY TWO SOVEREIGNS, AND HIS IMAGINARY TITLE OF FATHERHOOD IS OUT OF DOORS, AND CAIN IS NO PRINCE OVER HIS BROTHER: OR ELSE IF CAIN RETAIN HIS SOVEREIGNTY OVER ABEL, NOTWITHSTANDING HIS PRIVATE DOMINION, IT WILL FOLLOW THAT THE FIRST GROUNDS AND PRINCIPLES OF GOVERNMENT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH PROPERTY, WHATEVER OUR A. SAYS TO THE CONTRARY. 'TIS TRUE, ABEL DID NOT OUT-LIVE HIS FATHER ADAM, BUT THAT MAKES NOTHING TO THE ARGUMENT, WHICH WILL HOLD GOOD AGAINST SIR ROBERT IN ABEL'S ISSUE, OR IN SETH, OR ANY OF THE POSTERITY OF ADAM, NOT DESCENDED FROM CAIN.

§ 77. THE SAME INCONVENIENCE HE RUNS INTO ABOUT THE THREE SONS OF NOAH, WHO, AS HE SAYS, P. 13. HAD THE WHOLE WORLD DIVIDED AMONGST THEM BY THEIR FATHER. I ASK THEN IN WHICH OF THE THREE SHALL WE FIND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF REGAL POWER AFTER NOAH'S DEATH? IF IN ALL THREE, AS OUR A. THERE SEEMS TO SAY; THEN IT WILL FOLLOW, THAT REGAL POWER IS FOUNDED IN PROPERTY OF LAND, AND FOLLOWS PRIVATE DOMINION, AND NOT IN PATERNAL POWER OR NATURAL DOMINION, AND SO THERE IS AN END OF PATERNAL POWER AS THE FOUNTAIN OF REGAL AUTHORITY, AND THE SO MUCH MAGNIFIED FATHERHOOD QUITE VANISHES. IF THE REGAL POWER DESCENDED TO SHEM AS ELDEST, AND HEIR TO HIS FATHER, THEN NOAH'S DIVISION OF THE WORLD BY LOT TO HIS SONS, OR HIS TEN YEARS SAILING ABOUT THE MEDITERRANEAN TO APPOINT EACH SON HIS PART, WHICH OUR A. TELLS OF, P. 15. WAS LABOUR LOST, HIS DIVISION OF THE WORLD TO THEM, WAS TO ILL, OR TO NO PURPOSE. FOR HIS GRANT TO CHAM AND JAPHET WAS LITTLE WORTH IF SHEM, NOTWITHSTANDING THIS GRANT, AS SOON AS NOAH WAS DEAD, WAS TO BE LORD OVER THEM. OR, IF THIS GRANT OF PRIVATE DOMINION TO THEM OVER THEIR ASSIGNED TERRITORIES, WERE GOOD, HERE WERE SET UP TWO DISTINCT SORTS OF POWER, NOT SUBORDINATE ONE TO THE OTHER, WITH ALL THOSE INCONVENIENCES WHICH HE MUSTERS UP AGAINST THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE, O. 158 WHICH I SHALL SET DOWN IN HIS OWN WORDS, ONLY CHANGING PROPERTY FOR PEOPLE. ALL POWER ON EARTH IS EITHER DERIVED OR USURPED FROM THE FATHERLY POWER, THERE BEING NO OTHER ORIGINAL TO BE FOUND OF ANY POWER WHATSOEVER: FOR IF THERE SHOULD BE GRANTED TWO SORTS OF POWER, WITHOUT ANY SUBORDINATION O F ONE TO THE OTHER, THEY WOULD BE IN PERPETUAL STRIFE WHICH SHOULD BE SUPREME, FOR TWO SUPREMES CANNOT AGREE: IF THE FATHERLY POWER BE SUPREME, THEN THE POWER GROUNDED ON PRIVATE DOMINION MUST BE SUBORDINATE, AND DEPEND ON IT, AND IF THE POWER GROUNDED ON PROPERTY BE SUPREME, THEN THE FATHERLY POWER MUST SUBMIT TO IT, AND CANNOT BE EXERCISED WITHOUT THE LICENSE OF THE PROPRIETORS, WHICH MUST QUITE DESTROY THE FRAME AND COURSE OF NATURE. THIS IS HIS OWN ARGUING AGAINST TWO DISTINCT INDEPENDENT POWERS, WHICH I HAVE SET DOWN IN HIS OWN WORDS, ONLY PUTTING POWER RISING FROM PROPERTY, FOR POWER OF THE PEOPLE; AND WHEN HE HAS ANSWERED WHAT HE HIMSELF HAS URGED HERE AGAINST TWO DISTINCT POWERS, WE SHALL BE BETTER ABLE TO SEE HOW, WITH ANY TOLERABLE SENSE, HE CAN DERIVE ALL REGAL AUTHORITY FROM THE NATURAL AND PRIVATE DOMINION OF ADAM, FROM FATHERHOOD AND PROPERTY TOGETHER, WHICH ARE DISTINCT TITLES THAT DO NOT ALWAYS MEET IN THE SAME PERSON; AND 'TIS PLAIN, BY HIS OWN CONFESSION, PRESENTLY SEPARATED AS SOON BOTH AS ADAM'S AND NOAH'S DEATH MADE WAY FOR SUCCESSION: THOUGH OUR A. FREQUENTLY IN HIS WRITINGS JUMBLES THEM TOGETHER, AND OMITS NOT TO MAKE USE OF EITHER, WHERE HE THINKS IT WILL SOUND BEST TO HIS PURPOSE. BUT THE ABSURDITIES OF THIS WILL MORE FULLY APPEAR IN THE NEXT CHAPTER, WHERE WE SHALL EXAMINE THE WAYS OF CONVEYANCE OF THE SOVEREIGNTY OF ADAM, TO PRINCES THAT WERE TO REIGN AFTER HIM.

BOOK I, CHAPTER 8 OF THE CONVEYANCE OF ADAM'S SOVEREIGN MONARCHICAL POWER

§ 78. SIR ROBERT, HAVING NOT BEEN VERY HAPPY IN ANY PROOF HE BRINGS FOR THE SOVEREIGNTY OF ADAM, IS NOT MUCH MORE FORTUNATE IN CONVEYING IT TO FUTURE PRINCES, WHO, IF HIS POLITICKS BE TRUE, MUST ALL DERIVE THEIR TITLES FROM THAT FIRST MONARCH. THE WAYS HE HAS ASSIGNED, AS THEY LIE SCATTER'D UP AND DOWN IN HIS WRITINGS, I WILL SET DOWN IN HIS OWN WORDS: IN HIS PREFACE HE TELLS US, THAT ADAM BEING MONARCH OF THE WHOLE WORLD, NONE OF HIS POSTERITY HAD ANY RIGHT TO POSSESS ANY THING, BUT BY HIS GRANT OR PERMISSION, OR BY SUCCESSION FROM HIM: HERE HE MAKES TWO WAYS OF CONVEYANCE OF ANY THING ADAM STOOD POSSESSED OF, AND THOSE ARE GRANT OR SUCCESSION. AGAIN HE SAYS ALL KINGS EITHER ARE, OR ARE TO BE REPUTED, THE NEXT HEIRS TO THOSE FIRST PROGENITORS, WHO WERE AT FIRST THE NATURAL PARENTS OF THE WHOLE PEOPLE, P. 19. THERE CANNOT BE ANY MULTITUDE OF MEN WHATSOEVER, BUT THAT IN IT, CONSIDER'D BY IT SELF, THERE IS ONE MAN AMONGST THEM, THAT IN NATURE HATH A RIGHT TO BE THE KING OF ALL THE REST, AS BEING THE NEXT HEIR TO ADAM, O. 253. HERE IN THESE PLACES INHERITANCE IS THE ONLY WAY HE ALLOWS OF CONVEYING MONARCHICAL POWER TO PRINCES. IN OTHER PLACES HE TELLS US O. 155. ALL POWER ON EARTH IS EITHER DERIVED OR USURPED FROM THE FATHERLY POWER, O. 158. ALL KINGS THAT NOW ARE, OR EVER WERE, ARE OR WERE EITHER FATHERS OF THEIR PEOPLE, OR THE HEIRS OF SUCH FATHERS OR USURPERS OF THE RIGHT OF SUCH FATHERS, O. 253. AND HERE HE MAKES INHERITANCE OR USURPATION THE ONLY WAYS WHEREBY KINGS COME BY THIS ORIGINAL POWER: BUT YET HE TELLS US, THIS FATHERLY EMPIRE, AS IT WAS OF IT SELF HEREDITARY, SO IT WAS ALIENABLE BY PATENT, AND SEIZABLE BY AN USURPER, O. 190. SO THEN HERE INHERITANCE, GRANT OR USURPATION WILL CONVEY IT. AND LAST OF ALL, WHICH IS MOST ADMIRABLE, HE TELLS US, P. 100. IT SKILLS NOT WHICH WAY KINGS COME BY THEIR POWER, WHETHER BY ELECTION, DONATION, SUCCESSION, OR BY ANY OTHER MEANS, FOR IT IS STILL THE MANNER OF THE GOVERNMENT BY SUPREME POWER, THAT MAKES THEM PROPERLY KINGS, AND NOT THE MEANS OF OBTAINING THEIR CROWNS. WHICH I THINK IS A FULL ANSWER TO ALL HIS WHOLE HYPOTHESIS, AND DISCOURSE ABOUT ADAM'S ROYAL AUTHORITY, AS THE FOUNTAIN FROM WHICH ALL PRINCES WERE TO DERIVE THEIRS: AND HE MIGHT HAVE SPARED THE TROUBLE OF SPEAKING SO MUCH, AS HE DOES, UP AND DOWN OF HEIRS AND INHERITANCE, IF TO MAKE ANY ONE PROPERLY A KING, NEEDS NO MORE BUT GOVERNING BY SUPREME POWER, AND IT MATTERS NOT BY WHAT MEANS HE CAME BY IT.

§ 79. BY THIS NOTABLE WAY, OUR A. MAY MAKE OLIVER AS PROPERLY KING, AS ANY ONE ELSE HE COULD THINK OF: AND HAD HE HAD THE HAPPINESS TO LIVE UNDER MASSANELLO'S GOVERNMENT, HE COULD NOT BY THIS HIS OWN RULE HAVE FORBORN TO HAVE DONE HOMAGE TO HIM, WITH O KING LIVE FOR EVER, SINCE THE MANNER OF HIS GOVERNMENT BY SUPREME POWER, MADE HIM PROPERLY KING, WHO WAS BUT THE DAY BEFORE PROPERLY A FISHERMAN. AND IF DON QUIXOT HAD TAUGHT HIS SQUIRE TO GOVERN WITH SUPREME AUTHORITY, OUR A. NO DOUBT COULD HAVE MADE A MOST LOYAL SUBJECT IN SANCHO PANCHA'S ISLAND: AND HE MUST NEEDS HAVE DESERVED SOME PREFERMENT IN SUCH GOVERNMENTS, SINCE I THINK HE IS THE FIRST POLITICIAN, WHO, PRETENDING TO SETTLE GOVERNMENT UPON ITS TRUE BASIS, AND TO ESTABLISH THE THRONES OF LAWFUL PRINCES, EVER TOLD THE WORLD, THAT HE WAS PROPERLY A KING, WHOSE MANNER OF GOVERNMENT WAS BY SUPREME POWER, BY WHAT MEANS SOEVER HE OBTAINED IT; WHICH IN PLAIN ENGLISH IS TO SAY, THAT REGAL AND SUPREME POWER IS PROPERLY AND TRULY HIS, WHO CAN BY ANY MEANS SEIZE UPON IT: AND IF THIS BE, TO BE PROPERLY A KING, I WONDER HOW HE CAME TO THINK OF, OR WHERE HE WILL FIND, AN USURPER.

§ 80. THIS IS SO STRANGE A DOCTRINE, THAT THE SURPRIZE OF IT HATH MADE ME PASS BY, WITHOUT THEIR DUE REFLECTION, THE CONTRADICTIONS HE RUNS INTO, BY MAKING SOMETIMES INHERITANCE ALONE, SOMETIMES ONLY GRANT OR INHERITANCE, SOMETIMES ONLY INHERITANCE OR USURPATION, SOMETIMES ALL THESE THREE, AND AT LAST ELECTION, OR ANY OTHER MEANS, ADDED TO THEM, THE WAYS WHEREBY ADAM'S ROYAL AUTHORITY, THAT IS, HIS RIGHT TO SUPREME RULE, COULD BE CONVEY'D DOWN TO FUTURE KINGS AND GOVERNORS, SO AS TO GIVE THEM A TITLE TO THE OBEDIENCE AND SUBJECTION OF THE PEOPLE. BUT THESE CONTRADICTIONS LIE SO OPEN, THAT THE VERY READING OF OUR A'S OWN WORDS, WILL DISCOVER THEM TO ANY ORDINARY UNDERSTANDING: AND THOUGH WHAT I HAVE QUOTED OUT OF HIM (WITH ABUNDANCE MORE OF THE SAME STRAIN AND COHERENCE WHICH MIGHT BE FOUND IN HIM) MIGHT WELL EXCUSE ME FROM ANY FARTHER TROUBLE IN THIS ARGUMENT, YET HAVING PROPOSED TO MY SELF, TO EXAMINE THE MAIN PARTS OF HIS DOCTRINE, I SHALL A LITTLE MORE PARTICULARLY CONSIDER HOW INHERITANCE, GRANT, USURPATION OR ELECTION, CAN ANY WAY MAKE OUT GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD UPON HIS PRINCIPLES; OR DERIVE TO ANY ONE A RIGHT OF EMPIRE, FROM THIS REGAL AUTHORITY OF ADAM, HAD IT BEEN NEVER SO WELL PROVED, THAT HE HAD BEEN ABSOLUTE MONARCH, AND LORD OF THE WHOLE WORLD.

BOOK I, CHAPTER 9 OF MONARCHY, BY INHERITANCE FROM ADAM

§ 81. THOUGH IT BE NEVER SO PLAIN THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD, NAY SHOULD ALL MEN BE OF OUR ,4-S MIND, THAT DIVINE APPOINTMENT HAD ORDAINED IT TO BE MONARCHICAL, YET SINCE MEN CANNOT OBEY ANY THING, THAT CANNOT COMMAND, AND IDEAS OF GOVERNMENT IN THE FANCY, THOUGH NEVER SO PERFECT, THOUGH NEVER SO RIGHT, CANNOT GIVE LAWS, NOR PRESCRIBE RULES TO THE ACTIONS OF MEN; IT WOULD BE OF NO BEHOOF FOR THE SETLING OF ORDER, AND ESTABLISHMENT OF GOVERNMENT IN ITS EXERCISE AND USE AMONGST MEN, UNLESS THERE WERE A WAY ALSO TAUGHT HOW TO KNOW THE PERSON, TO WHOM IT BELONGED TO HAVE THIS POWER, AND EXERCISE THIS DOMINION OVER OTHERS. 'TIS IN VAIN THEN TO TALK OF SUBJECTION AND OBEDIENCE, WITHOUT TELLING US WHOM WE ARE TO OBEY. FOR WERE I NEVER SO FULLY PERSWADED, THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE MAGISTRACY AND RULE IN THE WORLD, YET I AM NEVERTHELESS AT LIBERTY STILL, TILL IT APPEARS WHO IS THE PERSON THAT HATH RIGHT TO MY OBEDIENCE: SINCE IF THERE BE NO MARKS TO KNOW HIM BY, AND DISTINGUISH HIM, THAT HATH RIGHT TO RULE FROM OTHER MEN, IT MAY BE MY SELF, AS WELL AS ANY OTHER. AND THEREFORE THOUGH SUBMISSION TO GOVERNMENT BE EVERY ONES DUTY, YET SINCE THAT SIGNIFIES NOTHING BUT SUBMITTING TO THE DIRECTION AND LAWS OF SUCH MEN, AS HAVE AUTHORITY TO COMMAND, 'TIS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE A MAN A SUBJECT, TO CONVINCE HIM THAT THERE IS REGAL POWER IN THE WORLD, BUT THERE MUST BE WAYS OF DESIGNING, AND KNOWING THE PERSON TO WHOM THIS REGAL POWER OF RIGHT BELONGS, AND A MAN CAN NEVER BE OBLIG'D IN CONSCIENCE TO SUBMIT TO ANY POWER, UNLESS HE CAN BE SATISFIED WHO IS THE PERSON, WHO HAS A RIGHT TO EXERCISE THAT POWER OVER HIM. IF THIS WERE NOT SO, THERE WOULD BE NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN PIRATES AND LAWFUL PRINCES, HE THAT HAS FORCE IS WITHOUT ANY MORE ADO TO BE OBEY'D, AND CROWNS AND SCEPTERS WOULD BECOME THE INHERITANCE ONLY OF VIOLENCE AND RAPINE. MEN TOO MIGHT AS OFTEN AND AS INNOCENTLY CHANGE THEIR GOVERNOURS, AS THEY DO THEIR PHYSICIANS, IF THE PERSON CANNOT BE KNOWN, WHO HAS A RIGHT TO DIRECT ME, AND WHOSE PRESCRIPTIONS I AM BOUND TO FOLLOW. TO SETTLE THEREFORE MENS CONSCIENCES UNDER AN OBLIGATION TO OBEDIENCE, 'TIS NECESSARY THAT THEY KNOW NOT ONLY THAT THERE IS A POWER SOMEWHERE IN THE WORLD, BUT THE PERSON WHO BY RIGHT IS VESTED WITH THIS POWER OVER THEM.

§ 82. HOW SUCCESSFUL OUR A— HAS BEEN IN HIS ATTEMPTS, TO SET UP A MONARCHICAL ABSOLUTE POWER IN ADAM, THE READER MAY JUDGE BY WHAT HAS BEEN ALREADY SAID: BUT WERE THAT ABSOLUTE MONARCHY AS CLEAR AS OUR A— WOULD DESIRE IT, AS I PRESUME IT IS THE CONTRARY, YET IT COULD BE OF NO USE TO THE GOVERNMENT OF MANKIND NOW IN THE WORLD, UNLESS HE ALSO MAKE OUT THESE TWO THINGS. FIRST, THAT THIS POWER OF ADAM WAS NOT TO END WITH HIM, BUT WAS UPON HIS DECEASE CONVEYED INTIRE TO SOME OTHER PERSON,, AND SO ON TO POSTERITY. SECONDLY, THAT THE PRINCES AND RULERS NOW ON EARTH, ARE POSSESSED OF THIS POWER OF ADAM, BY A RIGHT WAY OF CONVEYANCE DERIVED TO THEM.

§ 83. IF THE FIRST OF THESE FAIL, THE POWER OF ADAM, WERE IT NEVER SO GREAT, NEVER SO CERTAIN, WILL SIGNIFIE NOTHING TO THE PRESENT GOVERNMENTS AND SOCIETIES IN THE WORLD, BUT WE MUST SEEK OUT SOME OTHER ORIGINAL OF POWER FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF POLITYS THEN THIS OF ADAM, OR ELSE THERE WILL BE NONE AT ALL IN THE WORLD. IF THE LATTER FAIL, IT WILL DESTROY THE AUTHORITY OF THE PRESENT GOVERNOURS, AND ABSOLVE THE PEOPLE FROM SUBJECTION TO THEM, SINCE THEY HAVING NO BETTER A CLAIM THEN OTHERS TO THAT POWER, WHICH IS ALONE THE FOUNTAIN OF ALL AUTHORITY, CAN HAVE NO TITLE TO RULE OVER THEM.

§ 84. OUR A HAVING FANSIED AN ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGNTY IN ADAM, MENTIONS SEVERAL WAYS OF ITS CONVEYANCE TO PRINCES, THAT WERE TO BE HIS SUCCESSORS, BUT THAT WHICH HE CHIEFLY INSISTS ON, IS, THAT OF INHERITANCE, WHICH OCCURS SO OFTEN IN HIS SEVERAL DISCOURSES, AND I HAVING IN THE FOREGOING CHAPTER QUOTED SEVERAL OF THESE PASSAGES, I SHALL NOT NEED HERE AGAIN TO REPEAT THEM. THIS SOVEREIGNTY HE ERECTS, AS HAS BEEN SAID UPON A DOUBLE FOUNDATION, VIZ. THAT OF PROPERTY, AND THAT OF FATHERHOOD. ONE WAS THE RIGHT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE IN ALL CREATURES, A RIGHT TO POSSESS THE EARTH WITH THE BEASTS, AND OTHER INFERIOR RANKS OF THINGS IN IT FOR HIS PRIVATE USE, EXCLUSIVE OF ALL OTHER MEN. THE OTHER WAS THE RIGHT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE, TO RULE AND GOVERN MEN, ALL THE REST OF MANKIND.

§ 85. IN BOTH THESE RIGHTS, THERE BEING SUPPOSED AN EXCLUSION OF ALL OTHER MEN, IT MUST BE UPON SOME REASON PECULIAR TO ADAM, THAT THEY MUST BOTH BE FOUNDED. THAT OF HIS PROPERTY OUR A. SUPPOSES TO ARISE FROM GOD'S IMMEDIATE DONATION, GEN. L. 28. AND THAT OF FATHERHOOD FROM THE ACT OF BEGETTING: NOW IN ALL INHERITANCE, IF THE HEIR SUCCEED NOT TO THE REASON, UPON WHICH HIS FATHER'S RIGHT WAS FOUNDED, HE CANNOT SUCCEED TO THE RIGHT WHICH FOLLOWETH FROM IT: FOR EXAMPLE, ADAM HAD A RIGHT OF PROPERTY IN THE CREATURES, UPON THE DONATION AND GRANT OF GOD ALMIGHTY, WHO WAS LORD AND PROPRIETOR OF THEM ALL, LET THIS BE SO AS OUR A TELLS US, YET UPON HIS DEATH HIS HEIR CAN HAVE NO TITLE TO THEM, NO SUCH RIGHT OF PROPERTY IN THEM, UNLESS THE SAME REASON, VIZ. GOD'S DONATION, VESTED A RIGHT IN THE HEIR TOO. FOR IF ADAM COULD HAVE HAD NO PROPERTY IN, NOR USE OF, THE CREATURES WITHOUT THIS POSITIVE DONATION FROM GOD, AND THIS DONATION, WERE ONLY PERSONALLY TO ADAM, HIS HEIR COULD HAVE NO RIGHT BY IT, BUT UPON HIS DEATH, IT MUST REVERT TO GOD THE LORD AND OWNER AGAIN: FOR POSITIVE GRANTS GIVE NO TITLE FARTHER THAN THE EXPRESS WORDS CONVEY IT, AND BY WHICH ONLY IT IS HELD. AND THUS, IF AS OUR A— HIMSELF CONTENDS, THAT DONATION, GEN. 1. 28. WERE MADE ONLY TO ADAM PERSONALLY HIS HEIR COULD NOT SUCCEED TO HIS PROPERTY IN THE CREATURES AND IF IT WERE A DONATION TO ANY BUT ADAM, LET IT BE SHEWN, THAT IT WAS TO HIS HEIR IN OUR A'S SENSE, I.E. TO ONE OF HIS CHILDREN EXCLUSIVE OF ALL THE REST.

§ 86. BUT NOT TO FOLLOW OUR A— TOO FAR OUT OF THE WAY, THE PLAIN OF THE CASE IS THIS. GOD HAVING MADE MAN, AND PLANTED IN HIM, AS IN ALL OTHER ANIMALS, A STRONG DESIRE OF SELF-PRESERVATION, AND FURNISHED THE WORLD WITH THINGS FIT FOR FOOD AND RAYMENT AND OTHER NECESSARIES OF LIFE, SUBSERVIENT TO HIS DESIGN, THAT MAN SHOULD LIVE AND ABIDE FOR SOME TIME UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, AND NOT THAT SO CURIOUS AND WONDERFUL A PIECE OF WORKMANSHIP BY ITS OWN NEGLIGENCE, OR WANT OF NECESSARIES, SHOULD PERISH AGAIN, PRESENTLY AFTER A FEW MOMENTS CONTINUANCE: GOD, I SAY, HAVING MADE MAN AND THE WORLD THUS, SPOKE TO HIM, (THAT IS) DIRECTED HIM BY HIS SENSES AND REASON, AS HE DID THE INFERIOR ANIMALS BY THEIR SENSE, AND INSTINCT, WHICH HE HAD PLACED IN THEM TO THAT PURPOSE, TO THE USE OF THOSE THINGS, WHICH WERE SERVICEABLE FOR HIS SUBSISTENCE, AND GIVEN HIM AS MEANS OF HIS PRESERVATION. AND THEREFORE I DOUBT NOT, BUT BEFORE THESE WORDS WERE PRONOUNCED, 1 GEN. 28, 29. (IF THEY MUST BE UNDERSTOOD LITERALLY TO HAVE BEEN SPOKEN) AND WITHOUT ANY SUCH VERBAL DONATION, MAN HAD A RIGHT TO A USE OF THE CREATURES, BY THE WILL AND GRANT OF GOD. FOR THE DESIRE, STRONG DESIRE OF PRESERVING HIS LIFE AND BEING HAVING BEEN PLANTED IN HIM, AS A PRINCIPLE OF ACTION BY GOD HIMSELF, REASON, WHICH WAS THE VOICE OF GOD IN HIM, COULD NOT BUT TEACH HIM AND ASSURE HIM, THAT PURSUING THAT NATURAL INCLINATION HE HAD TO PRESERVE HIS BEING, HE FOLLOWED THE WILL OF HIS MAKER, AND THEREFORE HAD A RIGHT TO MAKE USE OF THOSE CREATURES, WHICH BY HIS REASON OR SENSES HE COULD DISCOVER WOULD BE SERVICEABLE THEREUNTO. AND THUS MAN'S PROPERTY IN THE CREATURES, WAS FOUNDED UPON THE RIGHT HE HAD, TO MAKE USE OF THOSE THINGS, THAT WERE NECESSARY OR USEFUL TO HIS BEING.

§ 87. THIS BEING THE REASON AND FOUNDATION OF ADAMS PROPERTY GAVE THE SAME TITLE, ON THE SAME GROUND, TO ALL HIS CHILDREN, NOT ONLY AFTER HIS DEATH, BUT IN HIS LIFE TIME: SO THAT HERE WAS NO PRIVILEDGE OF HIS HEIR ABOVE HIS OTHER CHILDREN, WHICH COULD EXCLUDE THEM FROM AN EQUAL RIGHT TO THE USE OF THE INFERIOR CREATURES, FOR THE COMFORTABLE PRESERVATION OF THEIR BEINGS, WHICH IS ALL THE PROPERTY MAN HATH IN THEM: AND SO ADAMS SOVEREIGNTY BUILT ON PROPERTY, OR AS OUR A. CALLS IT, PRIVATE DOMINION COMES TO NOTHING. EVERY MAN HAD A RIGHT TO THE CREATURES, BY THE SAME TITLE ADAM HAD, VIZ. BY THE RIGHT EVERY ONE HAD TO TAKE CARE OF, AND PROVIDE FOR THEIR SUBSISTENCE: AND THUS MEN HAD A RIGHT IN COMMON, ADAMS CHILDREN IN COMMON WITH HIM. BUT IF ANY ONE HAD BEGAN, AND MADE HIMSELF A PROPERTY IN ANY PARTICULAR THING, (WHICH HOW HE, OR ANY ONE ELSE, COULD DO, SHALL BE SHEWN IN ANOTHER PLACE) THAT THING, THAT POSSESSION, IF HE DISPOS'D NOT OTHERWISE OF IT BY HIS POSITIVE GRANT, DESCENDED NATURALLY TO HIS CHILDREN, AND THEY HAD A RIGHT TO SUCCEED TO IT, AND POSSESS IT.

§ 88. IT MIGHT REASONABLY BE ASKED HERE, HOW COME CHILDREN BY THIS RIGHT OF POSSESSING, BEFORE ANY OTHER, THE PROPERTIES OF THEIR PARENTS UPON THEIR DECEASE. FOR IT BEING PERSONALLY THE PARENTS, WHEN THEY DYE, WITHOUT ACTUALLY TRANSFERRING THEIR RIGHT TO ANOTHER, WHY DOES IT NOT RETURN AGAIN TO THE COMMON STOCK OF MANKIND? 'TWILL PERHAPS BE ANSWERED, THAT COMMON CONSENT HATH DISPOSED OF IT, TO THE CHILDREN. COMMON PRACTICE, WE SEE INDEED DOES SO DISPOSE OF IT BUT WE CANNOT SAY, THAT IT IS THE COMMON CONSENT OF MANKIND; FOR THAT HATH NEVER BEEN ASKED, NOR ACTUALLY GIVEN: AND IF COMMON TACIT CONSENT HATH ESTABLISH'D IT, IT WOULD MAKE BUT A POSITIVE AND NOT NATURAL RIGHT OF CHILDREN TO INHERIT THE GOODS OF THEIR PARENTS: BUT WHERE THE PRACTICE IS UNIVERSAL, 'TIS REASONABLE TO THINK THE CAUSE IS NATURAL. THE GROUND THEN, I THINK, TO BE THIS. THE FIRST AND STRONGEST DESIRE GOD PLANTED IN MEN, AND WROUGHT INTO THE VERY PRINCIPLES OF THEIR NATURE BEING THAT OF SELF PRESERVATION, THAT IS THE FOUNDATION OF A RIGHT TO THE CREATURES, FOR THE PARTICULAR SUPPORT AND USE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON HIMSELF. BUT NEXT TO THIS, GOD PLANTED IN MEN A STRONG DESIRE ALSO OF PROPAGATING THEIR KIND, AND CONTINUING THEMSELVES IN THEIR POSTERITY, AND THIS GIVES CHILDREN A TITLE, TO SHARE IN THE PROPERTY OF THEIR PARENTS, AND A RIGHT TO INHERIT THEIR POSSESSIONS. MEN ARE NOT PROPRIETORS OF WHAT THEY HAVE MEERLY FOR THEMSELVES, THEIR CHILDREN HAVE A TITLE TO PART OF IT, AND HAVE THEIR KIND OF RIGHT JOYN'D WITH THEIR PARENTS, IN THE POSSESSION WHICH COMES TO BE WHOLLY THEIRS, WHEN DEATH HAVING PUT AN END TO THEIR PARENTS USE OF IT, HATH TAKEN THEM FROM THEIR POSSESSIONS, AND THIS WE CALL INHERITANCE. MEN BEING BY A LIKE OBLIGATION BOUND TO PRESERVE WHAT THEY HAVE BEGOTTEN, AS TO PRESERVE THEMSELVES, THEIR ISSUE COME TO HAVE A RIGHT IN THE GOODS THEY ARE POSSESSED OF. THAT CHILDREN HAVE SUCH A RIGHT IS PLAIN FROM THE LAWS OF GOD, AND THAT MEN ARE CONVINCED, THAT CHILDREN HAVE SUCH A RIGHT, IS EVIDENT FROM THE LAW OF THE LAND, BOTH WHICH LAWS REQUIRE PARENTS TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR CHILDREN.

§ 89. FOR CHILDREN BEING BY THE COURSE OF NATURE, BORN WEAK, AND UNABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES, THEY HAVE BY THE APPOINTMENT OF GOD HIMSELF, WHO HATH THUS ORDERED THE COURSE OF NATURE, A RIGHT TO BE NOURISH'D AND MAINTAINED BY THEIR PARENTS, NAY A RIGHT NOT ONLY TO A BARE SUBSISTANCE BUT TO THE CONVENIENCES AND COMFORTS OF LIFE, AS FAR AS THE CONDITIONS OF THEIR PARENTS CAN AFFORD IT. HENCE IT COMES, THAT WHEN THEIR PARENTS LEAVE THE WORLD, AND SO THE CARE DUE TO THEIR CHILDREN CEASES, THE EFFECTS OF IT ARE TO EXTEND AS FAR AS POSSIBLY THEY CAN, AND THE PROVISIONS THEY HAVE MADE IN THEIR LIFE TIME, ARE UNDERSTOOD TO BE INTENDED AS NATURE REQUIRES THEY SHOULD, FOR THEIR CHILDREN, WHOM AFTER THEMSELVES, THEY ARE BOUND TO PROVIDE FOR, THOUGH THE DYING PARENTS, BY EXPRESS WORDS, DECLARE NOTHING ABOUT THEM, NATURE APPOINTS THE DESCENT OF THEIR PROPERTY TO THEIR CHILDREN, WHO THUS COME TO HAVE A TITLE, AND NATURAL RIGHT OF INHERITANCE TO THEIR FATHERS GOODS, WHICH THE REST OF MANKIND CANNOT PRETEND TO.

§ 90. WERE IT NOT FOR THIS RIGHT OF BEING NOURISHED, AND MAINTAINED BY THEIR PARENTS, WHICH GOD AND NATURE HAS GIVEN TO CHILDREN, AND OBLIGED PARENTS TO, AS A DUTY, IT WOULD BE REASONABLE, THAT THE FATHER SHOULD INHERIT THE ESTATE OF HIS SON, AND BE PREFERR'D IN THE INHERITANCE BEFORE HIS GRAND CHILD. FOR TO THE GRAND FATHER, THERE IS DUE A LONG SCORE OF CARE AND EXPENCES LAID OUT UPON THE BREEDING AND EDUCATION OF HIS SON, WHICH ONE WOULD THINK IN JUSTICE OUGHT TO BE PAID. BUT THAT HAVING BEEN DONE IN OBEDIENCE TO THE SAME LAW, WHEREBY HE RECEIVED NOURISHMENT AND EDUCATION FROM HIS OWN PARENTS, THIS SCORE OF EDUCATION RECEIVED FROM A MAN'S FATHER, IS- PAID BY TAKING CARE, AND PROVIDING FOR HIS OWN CHILDREN; IS PAID, I SAY, AS MUCH AS IS REQUIR'D OF PAYMENT BY ALTERATION OF PROPERTY, UNLESS PRESENT NECESSITY OF THE PARENTS REQUIRE A RETURN OF GOODS FOR THEIR NECESSARY SUPPORT AND SUBSISTENCE. FOR WE ARE NOT NOW SPEAKING OF THAT REVERENCE, ACKNOWLEDGMENT, RESPECT AND HONOUR THAT IS ALWAYS DUE FROM CHILDREN TO THEIR PARENTS, BUT OF POSSESSIONS AND COMMODITIES OF LIFE VALUABLE BY MONEY. BUT THO' IT BE INCUMBENT ON PARENTS TO BRING UP AND PROVIDE FOR THEIR CHILDREN, YET THIS DEBT TO THE CHILDREN DOES NOT QUITE CANCEL THE SCORE DUE TO THE PARENTS, BUT ONLY IS MADE BY NATURE PREFERABLE TO IT. FOR THE DEBT A MAN OWES HIS FATHER, TAKES PLACE, AND GIVES THE FATHER A RIGHT TO INHERIT THE SONS GOODS, WHERE FOR WANT OF ISSUE, THE RIGHT OF CHILDREN DOTH NOT EXCLUDE THAT TITLE. AND THEREFORE A MAN HAVING A RIGHT TO BE MAINTAIN'D BY HIS CHILDREN WHERE HE NEEDS IT, AND TO ENJOY ALSO THE COMFORTS OF LIFE FROM THEM, WHEN THE NECESSARY PROVISION DUE TO THEM, AND THEIR CHILDREN WILL AFFORD IT, IF HIS SON DYE WITHOUT ISSUE, THE FATHER HAS A RIGHT IN NATURE TO POSSESS HIS GOODS, AND INHERIT HIS ESTATE (WHATEVER THE MUNICIPAL LAWS OF SOME COUNTRIES, MAY ABSURDLY DIRECT OTHERWISE,) AND SO AGAIN HIS CHILDREN AND THEIR ISSUE FROM HIM, OR FOR WANT OF SUCH, HIS FATHER AND HIS ISSUE. BUT WHERE NO SUCH ARE TO BE FOUND, I.E. NO KINDRED, THERE WE SEE THE POSSESSIONS OF A PRIVATE MAN REVERT TO THE COMMUNITY, AND SO IN POLITIC SOCIETIES COME INTO THE HANDS OF THE PUBLIC MAGISTRATE: BUT IN THE STATE OF NATURE BECOME AGAIN PERFECTLY COMMON, NO BODY HAVING A RIGHT TO INHERIT THEM: NOR CAN ANY ONE HAVE A PROPERTY IN THEM, OTHERWISE THEN IN OTHER THINGS COMMON, BY NATURE, OF WHICH I SHALL SPEAK IN ITS DUE PLACE.

§ 91. I HAVE BEEN THE LARGER IN CHEWING UPON WHAT GROUND CHILDREN HAVE A RIGHT TO SUCCEED TO THE POSSESSION OF THEIR FATHERS PROPERTIES, NOT ONLY BECAUSE BY IT, IT WILL APPEAR, THAT IF ADAM HAD A PROPERTY (A TITULAR INSIGNIFICANT USELESS PROPERTY; FOR IT COULD BE NO BETTER, FOR HE WAS BOUND TO NOURISH AND MAINTAIN HIS CHILDREN AND POSTERITY OUT OF IT) IN THE WHOLE EARTH AND ITS PRODUCT, YET ALL HIS CHILDREN COMING TO HAVE BY THE LAW OF NATURE AND RIGHT OF INHERITANCE A JOYNT TITLE, AND RIGHT OF PROPERTY IN IT AFTER HIS DEATH, IT COULD CONVEY NO RIGHT OF SOVEREIGNTY TO ANY ONE OF HIS-POSTERITY OVER THE REST: SINCE EVERY ONE HAVING A RIGHT OF INHERITANCE TO HIS PORTION, THEY MIGHT ENJOY THEIR INHERITANCE, OR ANY PART OF IT IN COMMON, OR SHARE IT, OR SOME PARTS OF IT BY DIVISION, AS IT BEST LIKED THEM. BUT NO ONE COULD PRETEND TO THE WHOLE INHERITANCE, OR ANY SOVEREIGNTY SUPPOSED TO ACCOMPANY IT, SINCE A RIGHT OF INHERITANCE GAVE EVERY ONE OF THE REST, AS WELL AS ANY ONE, A TITLE TO SHARE IN THE GOODS OF HIS FATHER. NOT ONLY UPON THIS ACCOUNT, I SAY, HAVE I BEEN SO PARTICULAR IN EXAMINING THE REASON OF CHILDRENS INHERITING THE PROPERTY OF THEIR FATHERS, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT WILL GIVE US FARTHER LIGHT IN THE INHERITANCE OF RULE AND POWER, WHICH IN COUNTRIES WHERE THEIR PARTICULAR MUNICIPAL LAWS GIVE THE WHOLE POSSESSION OF LAND ENTIRELY TO THE FIRST BORN, AND DESCENT OF POWER HAS GONE SO TO MEN BY THIS CUSTOM, SOME HAVE BEEN APT TO BE DECEIVED INTO AN OPINION, THAT THERE WAS A NATURAL OR DIVINE RIGHT OF PRIMOGENITURE, TO BOTH ESTATE AND POWER, AND THAT THE INHERITANCE OF BOTH RULE OVER MEN AND PROPERTY IN THINGS, SPRANG FROM THE SAME ORIGINAL, AND WERE TO DESCEND BY THE SAME RULES.

§ 92. PROPERTY, WHOSE ORIGINAL IS FROM THE RIGHT A MAN HAS TO USE ANY OF THE INFERIOR CREATURES, FOR THE SUBSISTENCE AND COMFORT OF HIS LIFE, IS FOR THE BENEFIT AND SOLE ADVANTAGE OF THE PROPRIETOR, SO THAT HE MAY EVEN DESTROY THE THING, THAT HE HAS PROPERTY IN BY HIS USE OF IT, WHERE NEED REQUIRES: BUT GOVERNMENT BEING FOR THE PRESERVATION OF EVERY MANS RIGHT AND PROPERTY, BY PRESERVING HIM FROM THE VIOLENCE OR INJURY OF OTHERS, IS FOR THE GOOD OF THE GOVERNED. FOR THE MAGISTRATES SWORD BEING FOR A TERROR TO EVIL DOERS, AND BY THAT TERROR TO INFORCE MEN TO OBSERVE THE POSITIVE LAWS OF THE SOCIETY, MADE CONFORMABLE TO THE LAWS OF NATURE, FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD, I.E. THE GOOD OF EVERY PARTICULAR MEMBER OF THAT SOCIETY, AS FAR AS BY COMMON RULES, IT CAN BE PROVIDED FOR; THE SWORD IS NOT GIVEN THE MAGISTRATE FOR HIS OWN GOOD ALONE, FOR HE BEARETH NOT THE SWORD IN VAIN. '

§ 93. CHILDREN THEREFORE, AS HAS BEEN SHEW'D, BY THE DEPENDANCE THEY HAVE ON THEIR PARENTS FOR SUBSISTENCE, HAVE A RIGHT OF INHERITANCE TO THEIR FATHERS PROPERTY, AS THAT WHICH BELONGS TO THEM FOR THEIR PROPER GOOD AND BEHOOF, AND THEREFORE ARE FITLY TERMED GOODS, WHEREIN THE FIRST BORN HAS NOT A SOLE OR PECULIAR RIGHT BY ANY LAW OF GOD AND NATURE, THE YOUNGER CHILDREN HAVING AN EQUAL TITLE WITH HIM FOUNDED ON THAT RIGHT THEY ALL HAVE TO MAINTENANCE, SUPPORT AND COMFORT FROM THEIR PARENTS, AND NOTHING ELSE. BUT GOVERNMENT BEING FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE GOVERNED, AND NOT THE SOLE ADVANTAGE OF THE GOVERNORS (BUT ONLY FOR THEIRS WITH THE REST, AS THEY MAKE A PART OF THAT POLITICK BODY, EACH OF WHOSE PARTS AND MEMBERS ARE TAKEN CARE OF, AND DIRECTED IN ITS PECULIAR FUNCTIONS FOR THE GOOD OF THE WHOLE, BY THE LAWS OF THE SOCIETY) CANNOT BE INHERITED BY THE SAME TITLE THAT CHILDREN HAVE TO THE GOODS OF THEIR FATHER. THE RIGHT A SON HAS TO BE MAINTAINED AND PROVIDED WITH THE NECESSARIES AND CONVENIENCES OF LIFE OUT OF HIS FATHERS STOCK, GIVES HIM A RIGHT TO SUCCEED TO HIS FATHERS PROPERTY FOR HIS OWN GOOD, BUT THIS CAN GIVE HIM NO RIGHT TO SUCCEED ALSO TO THE RULE, WHICH HIS FATHER HAD OVER OTHER MEN. ALL THAT A CHILD HAS RIGHT TO CLAIM FROM HIS FATHER IS NOURISHMENT AND EDUCATION, AND THE THINGS NATURE FURNISHES FOR THE SUPPORT OF LIFE: BUT HE HAS NO RIGHT TO DEMAND RULE OR DOMINION FROM HIM: HE CAN SUBSIST AND RECEIVE FROM HIM THE PORTION OF GOOD THINGS, AND ADVANTAGES OF EDUCATION NATURALLY DUE TO HIM, WITHOUT EMPIRE AND DOMINION. THAT (IF HIS FATHER HATH ANY) WAS VESTED IN HIM, FOR THE GOOD AND BEHOOF OF OTHERS, AND THEREFORE THE SON CANNOT CLAIM OR INHERIT IT BY A TITLE, WHICH IS FOUNDED WHOLLY ON HIS OWN PRIVATE GOOD AND ADVANTAGE.

§ 94. WE MUST KNOW HOW THE FIRST RULER, FROM WHOM ANY ONE CLAIMS, CAME BY HIS AUTHORITY, UPON WHAT GROUND ANY ONE HAS EMPIRE, WHAT HIS TITLE IS TO IT, BEFORE WE CAN KNOW WHO HAS A RIGHT TO SUCCEED HIM IN IT, AND INHERIT IT FROM HIM. IF THE AGREEMENT AND CONSENT OF MEN FIRST GAVE A SCEPTER INTO ANY ONES HAND, OR PUT A CROWN ON HIS HEAD, THAT ALSO MUST DIRECT ITS DESCENT AND CONVEYANCE. FOR THE SAME AUTHORITY, THAT MADE THE FIRST A LAWFUL RULER, MUST MAKE THE SECOND TOO, AND SO GIVE RIGHT OF SUCCESSION: IN THIS CASE INHERITANCE OR PRIMOGENITURE, CAN IN ITS SELF HAVE NO RIGHT, NO PRETENCE TO IT, ANY FARTHER THEN THAT CONSENT, WHICH ESTABLISHED THE FORM OF THE GOVERNMENT, BATH SO SETTLED THE SUCCESSION. AND THUS WE SEE THE SUCCESSION OF CROWNS, IN SEVERAL COUNTRIES PLACES IT ON DIFFERENT HEADS, AND HE COMES BY RIGHT OF SUCCESSION, TO BE A PRINCE IN ONE PLACE, WHO WOULD BE A SUBJECT IN ANOTHER.

§ 95. IF GOD BY HIS POSITIVE GRANT AND REVEALED DECLARATION, FIRST GAVE RULE AND DOMINION TO ANY MAN, HE THAT WILL CLAIM BY THAT TITLE, MUST HAVE THE SAME POSITIVE GRANT OF GOD FOR HIS SUCCESSION. FOR IF THAT HAS NOT DIRECTED THE COURSE OF ITS DESCENT AND CONVEYANCE DOWN TO OTHERS, NO BODY CAN SUCCEED TO THIS TITLE OF THE FIRST RULER; CHILDREN HAVE NO RIGHT OF INHERITANCE TO THIS; AND PRIMOGENITURE CAN LAY NO CLAIM TO IT, UNLESS GOD THE AUTHOR OF THIS CONSTITUTION HATH SO ORDAINED IT. THUS WE SEE THE PRETENSIONS OF SAULS FAMILY, WHO RECEIVED HIS CROWN FROM THE IMMEDIATE APPOINTMENT OF GOD, ENDED WITH HIS REIGN; AND DAVID BY THE SAME TITLE THAT SAUL REIGNED, VIZ. GODS APPOINTMENT, SUCCEEDED IN HIS THRONE, TO THE EXCLUSION OF JONATHAN, AND ALL PRETENTIONS OF PATERNAL INHERITANCE. AND IF SALOMON HAD A RIGHT TO SUCCEED HIS FATHER, IT MUST BE BY SOME OTHER TITLE, THEN THAT OF PRIMOGENITURE. A CADET, OR SISTERS SON, MUST HAVE THE PREFERENCE IN SUCCESSION, IF HE HAS THE SAME TITLE THE FIRST LAWFUL PRINCE HAD. : AND IN DOMINION THAT HAS ITS FOUNDATION ONLY IN THE POSITIVE APPOINTMENT OF GOD HIMSELF, BENJAMIN THE YOUNGEST, MUST HAVE THE INHERITANCE OF THE CROWN, IF GOD SO DIRECT AS WELL AS ONE OF THAT TRIBE HAD THE FIRST POSSESSION.

§ 96. IF PATERNAL RIGHT, THE ACT OF BEGETTING, GIVE A MAN RULE AND DOMINION, INHERITANCE OR PRIMOGENITURE CAN GIVE NO TITLE. FOR HE THAT CANNOT SUCCEED TO HIS FATHERS TITLE, WHICH WAS BEGETTING, CANNOT SUCCEED TO THAT POWER OVER HIS BRETHREN, WHICH HIS FATHER HAD BY PATERNAL RIGHT OVER THEM. BUT OF THIS I SHALL HAVE OCCASION TO SAY MORE IN ANOTHER PLACE. THIS IS PLAIN IN THE MEAN TIME, THAT ANY GOVERNMENT, WHETHER SUPPOSED TO BE AT FIRST FOUNDED IN PATERNAL RIGHT, CONSENT OF THE PEOPLE, OR THE POSITIVE APPOINTMENT OF GOD HIMSELF, WHICH CAN SUPERSEDE EITHER OF THE OTHER, AND SO BEGIN A NEW GOVERNMENT UPON A NEW FOUNDATION, I SAY, ANY GOVERNMENT BEGAN UPON EITHER OF THESE, CAN BY RIGHT OF SUCCESSION COME TO THOSE ONLY, WHO HAVE THE TITLE OF HIM, THEY SUCCEED TO. POWER FOUNDED ON CONTRACT, CAN DESCEND ONLY TO HIM, WHO HAS RIGHT BY THAT CONTRACT: POWER FOUNDED ON BEGETTING, HE ONLY CAN HAVE THAT BEGETS: AND POWER FOUNDED ON THE POSITIVE GRANT OR DONATION OF GOD, HE ONLY CAN HAVE BY RIGHT OF SUCCESSION, TO WHOM THAT GRANT DIRECTS IT.

§ 97. FROM WHAT I HAVE SAID, I THINK THIS IS CLEAR, THAT A RIGHT TO THE USE OF THE CREATURES, BEING FOUNDED ORIGINALLY IN THE RIGHT A MAN HAS TO SUBSIST AND ENJOY THE CONVENIENCES OF LIFE, AND THE NATURAL RIGHT CHILDREN HAVE TO INHERIT THE GOODS OF THEIR PARENTS, BEING FOUNDED IN THE RIGHT THEY HAVE TO THE SAME SUBSISTENCE AND COMMODITIES OF LIFE, OUT OF THE STOCK OF THEIR PARENTS, WHO ARE THEREFORE TAUGHT BY NATURAL LOVE AND TENDERNESS TO PROVIDE FOR THEM, AS A PART OF THEMSELVES: AND ALL THIS BEING ONLY FOR THE GOOD OF THE PROPRIETOR, OR HEIR; IT CAN BE NO REASON FOR CHILDRENS INHERITING OF RULE AND DOMINION, WHICH HAS ANOTHER ORIGINAL AND A DIFFERENT END. NOR CAN PRIMOGENITURE HAVE ANY PRETENCE TO A RIGHT OF SOLELY INHERITING EITHER PROPERTY OR POWER, AS WE SHALL, IN ITS DUE PLACE, SEE MORE FULLY. 'TIS ENOUGH TO HAVE SHEW'D HERE, THAT ADAM'S PROPERTY, OR PRIVATE DOMINION, COULD NOT CONVEY ANY SOVEREIGNTY OR RULE TO HIS HEIR, WHO NOT HAVING A RIGHT TO INHERIT ALL HIS FATHERS POSSESSIONS, COULD NOT THEREBY COME TO HAVE ANY SOVEREIGNTY OVER HIS BRETHREN: AND THEREFORE IF ANY SOVEREIGNTY ON ACCOUNT OF HIS PROPERTY, HAD BEEN VESTED IN ADAM, WHICH IN TRUTH THERE WAS NOT; YET IT WOULD HAVE DIED WITH HIM.

§ 98. AS ADAM'S SOVEREIGNTY, IF BY VERTUE OF BEING PROPRIETOR OF THE WHOLE WORLD, HE HAD ANY AUTHORITY OVER MEN, COULD NOT HAVE BEEN INHERITED BY ANY OF HIS CHILDREN OVER THE REST, BECAUSE THEY HAD THE SAME TITLE TO DIVIDE THE INHERITANCE, AND EVERY ONE HAD A RIGHT TO A PORTION OF HIS FATHERS POSSESSIONS: SO NEITHER COULD ADAM'S SOVEREIGNTY BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD, IF ANY SUCH HE HAD, DESCEND TO ANY ONE OF HIS CHILDREN. FOR IT BEING IN OUR AS ACCOUNT, A RIGHT ACQUIRED BY BEGETTING TO RULE OVER THOSE HE HAD BEGOTTEN, IT WAS NOT A POWER POSSIBLE TO BE INHERITED, BECAUSE THE RIGHT BEING CONSEQUENT TO, AND BUILT ON, AN ACT PERFECTLY PERSONAL, MADE THAT POWER SO TOO, AND IMPOSSIBLE TO BE INHERITED. FOR PATERNAL POWER, BEING A NATURAL RIGHT RISING ONLY FROM THE RELATION OF FATHER AND SON, IS AS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE INHERITED AS THE RELATION ITSELF, AND A MAN MAY PRETEND AS WELL TO INHERIT THE CONJUGAL POWER THE HUSBAND, WHOSE HEIR HE IS, HAD OVER HIS WIFE, AS HE CAN TO INHERIT THE PATERNAL POWER OF A FATHER OVER HIS CHILDREN. FOR THE POWER OF THE HUSBAND BEING FOUNDED ON CONTRACT, AND THE POWER OF THE FATHER ON BEGETTING, HE MAY AS WELL INHERIT THE POWER OBTAINED BY THE CONJUGAL CONTRACT, WHICH WAS ONLY PERSONAL, AS HE MAY THE POWER OBTAINED BY BEGETTING, WHICH COULD REACH NO FARTHER THEN THE PERSON OF THE BEGETTER, UNLESS BEGETTING CAN BE A TITLE TO POWER IN HIM, THAT DOES NOT BEGET.

§ 99. WHICH MAKES IT A REASONABLE QUESTION TO ASK, WHETHER ADAM, DYING BEFORE EVE, HIS HEIR (SUPPOSE CAIN OR SETH) SHOULD HAVE HAD, BY RIGHT OF INHERITING ADAM'S FATHERHOOD, SOVEREIGN POWER OVER EVE HIS MOTHER. FOR ADAM'S FATHERHOOD BEING NOTHING BUT A RIGHT HE HAD TO GOVERN HIS CHILDREN, BECAUSE HE BEGOT THEM, HE THAT INHERITS ADAM'S FATHERHOOD, INHERITS NOTHING, EVEN IN OUR A'S SENSE, BUT THE RIGHT ADAM HAD TO GOVERN HIS CHILDREN, BECAUSE HE BEGOT THEM: SO THAT THE MONARCHY OF THE HEIR WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN IN EVE, OR IF IT DID, IT BEING NOTHING BUT THE FATHERHOOD OF ADAM DESCENDED BY INHERITANCE, THE HEIR MUST HAVE RIGHT TO GOVERN EVE, BECAUSE ADAM BEGOT HER; FOR. FATHERHOOD IS NOTHING ELSE.

§ 100. PERHAPS IT WILL BE SAID WITH OUR A, THAT A MAN CAN ALIEN HIS POWER OVER HIS CHILD, AND WHAT MAY BE TRANSFER'D BY COMPACT, MAY BE POSSESSED BY INHERITANCE. I ANSWER, A FATHER CANNOT ALIEN THE POWER HE HAS OVER HIS CHILD, HE MAY PERHAPS TO SOME DEGREES FORFEIT IT, BUT CANNOT TRANSFER IT: AND IF ANY OTHER MAN ACQUIRE IT, 'TIS NOT BY THE FATHERS GRANT, BUT BY SOME ACT OF HIS OWN.. FOR EXAMPLE, A FATHER, UNNATURALLY CARELESS OF HIS CHILD, SELLS OR GIVES HIM TO ANOTHER MAN; AND HE AGAIN EXPOSES HIM: A THIRD MAN FINDING HIM, BREEDS UP, CHERISHES AND PROVIDES FOR HIM AS HIS OWN. I THINK IN THIS CASE, NO BODY WILL DOUBT BUT THAT THE GREATEST PART OF FILIAL DUTY AND SUBJECTION WAS HERE OWING, AND TO BE PAID TO THIS FOSTER-FATHER: AND IF ANY THING COULD BE DEMANDED FROM THE CHILD, BY EITHER OF THE OTHER, IT COULD BE ONLY DUE TO HIS NATURAL FATHER: WHO PERHAPS MIGHT HAVE FORFEITED HIS RIGHT TO MUCH OF THAT DUTY COMPREHENDED IN THE COMMAND, HONOUR YOUR PARENTS, BUT COULD TRANSFER NONE OF IT TO ANOTHER. HE THAT PURCHASED, AND NEGLECTED, THE CHILD, GOT BY HIS PURCHASE AND GRANT OF THE FATHER, NO TITLE TO DUTY OR HONOUR FROM THE CHILD, BUT ONLY HE ACQUIRED IT, WHO BY HIS OWN AUTHORITY, PERFORMING THE OFFICE AND CARE OF A FATHER, TO THE FORLORN AND PERISHING INFANT, MADE HIMSELF BY PATERNAL CARE, -A TITLE TO PROPORTIONABLE DEGREES OF PATERNAL POWER. THIS WILL BE MORE EASILY ADMITTED UPON CONSIDERATION OF THE NATURE OF PATERNAL POWER, FOR WHICH I REFER MY READER TO THE SECOND BOOK.

§ 101. TO RETURN TO THE ARGUMENT IN HAND: THIS IS EVIDENT, THAT PATERNAL POWER ARISING ONLY FROM BEGETTING; FOR IN. THAT OUR A. PLACES IT ALONE, CAN NEITHER BE TRANSFER'D, NOR INHERITED: AND HE THAT DOES NOT BEGET, CAN NO MORE HAVE PATERNAL POWER WHICH ARISES FROM THENCE, THAN HE CAN HAVE A RIGHT TO ANY THING WHO PERFORMS NOT THE CONDITION, TO WHICH ONLY IT IS ANNEXED. IF ONE SHOULD ASK, BY WHAT LAW HAS A FATHER POWER OVER HIS CHILDREN? IT WILL BE ANSWERED, NO DOUBT, BY THE LAW OF NATURE, WHICH GIVES SUCH A POWER OVER THEM, TO HIM THAT BEGETS THEM. IF ONE SHOULD ASK LIKEWISE, BY WHAT LAW DOES OUR A'S HEIR COME BY A RIGHT TO INHERIT? I THINK IT WOULD BE ANSWERED, BY THE LAW OF NATURE TOO. FOR I FIND -NOT THAT OUR A. BRINGS ONE WORD OF SCRIPTURE TO PROVE THE RIGHT OF SUCH AN HEIR HE SPEAKS OF: WHY THEN THE LAW OF NATURE GIVES FATHERS PATERNAL POWER OVER THEIR CHILDREN, BECAUSE THEY DID BEGET THEM, AND THE SAME LAW OF NATURE GIVES THE SAME PATERNAL POWER TO THE HEIR OVER HIS BRETHREN, 'WHO DID NOT BEGET THEM: WHENCE IT FOLLOWS, THAT EITHER THE FATHER HAS NOT HIS PATERNAL POWER BY BEGETTING, OR ELSE THAT THE HEIR HAS IT NOT AT ALL: FOR 'TIS HARD TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE LAW OF NATURE, WHICH IS THE LAW OF REASON, CAN GIVE THE PATERNAL POWER TO THE FATHER OVER HIS CHILDREN, FOR THE ONLY REASON OF BEGETTING, AND TO THE FIRST-BORN OVER HIS BRETHREN WITHOUT THIS ONLY REASON, I.E. FOR NO REASON AT ALL: AND IF THE ELDEST, BY THE LAW OF NATURE, CAN INHERIT THIS PATERNAL POWER, WITHOUT THE ONLY REASON THAT GIVES A TITLE TO IT, SO MAY THE YOUNGEST AS WELL AS HE, AND A STRANGER AS WELL AS EITHER; FOR WHERE THERE IS NO REASON FOR ANY ONE, AS THERE IS NOT, BUT FOR HIM THAT BEGETS, ALL HAVE AN EQUAL TITLE. I AM SURE OUR A. OFFERS NO REASON, AND WHEN ANY BODY DOES, WE SHALL SEE WHETHER IT WILL HOLD OR NO.

§ 102. IN THE MEAN TIME 'TIS AS GOOD SENSE TO SAY, THAT BY THE LAW OF NATURE A MAN HAS RIGHT TO INHERIT THE PROPERTY OF ANOTHER, BECAUSE HE IS OF KIN TO HIM, AND IS KNOWN TO BE OF HIS BLOOD, AND THEREFORE BY THE SAME LAW OF NATURE, AN UTTER STRANGER TO HIS BLOOD, HAS RIGHT TO INHERIT HIS ESTATE: AS TO SAY THAT BY THE LAW OF NATURE HE THAT BEGETS THEM, HAS PATERNAL POWER OVER HIS CHILDREN, AND THEREFORE BY THE LAW OF NATURE THE HEIR THAT BEGETS THEM NOT, HAS THIS PATERNAL POWER OVER THEM: OR SUPPOSING THE LAW OF THE LAND GAVE ABSOLUTE POWER OVER THEIR CHILDREN, TO SUCH ONLY WHO NURSED THEM, AND FED THEIR CHILDREN THEMSELVES, COULD ANY BODY PRETEND THAT THIS LAW GAVE ANY ONE, WHO DID NO SUCH THING, ABSOLUTE POWER OVER THOSE, WHO WERE NOT HI: CHILDREN?

§ 103. WHEN THEREFORE IT CAN BE SHE W'D, THAT CONJUGAL POWER CAN BELONG TO HIM THAT IS NOT AN HUSBAND, IT WILL ALSO I BELIEVE BE PROVED, THAT OUR A—'S PATERNAL POWER ACQUIRED BY BEGETTING, MAY BE INHERITED BY A SON, AND THAT A BROTHER AS HEIR TO HIS FATHERS POWER, MAY HAVE PATERNAL POWER OVER HIS BRETHREN, AND BY THE SAME RULE CONJUGAL POWER TOO, BUT TILL THEN, I THINK WE MAY REST SATISFIED, THAT THE PATERNAL POWER OF ADAM, THIS SOVEREIGN AUTHORITY OF FATHERHOOD, WERE THERE ANY SUCH, COULD NOT DESCEND TO, NOR BE INHERITED BY, HIS NEXT HEIR. FATHERLY POWER I EASILY GRANT OUR A— IF IT WILL DO HIM ANY GOOD, CAN NEVER BE LOST, BECAUSE IT WILL BE AS LONG IN THE WORLD AS THERE ARE FATHERS: BUT NONE OF THEM WILL HAVE ADAM'S PATERNAL POWER, OR DERIVE THEIRS FROM HIM, BUT EVERY ONE WILL HAVE HIS OWN, BY THE SAME TITLE ADAM HAD HIS, VIZ. BY BEGETTING, BUT NOT BY INHERITANCE OR SUCCESSION, NO MORE THEN HUSBANDS HAVE THEIR CONJUGAL POWER BY INHERITANCE FROM ADAM. AND THUS WE SEE AS ADAM HAD NO SUCH PROPERTY, NO SUCH PATERNAL POWER, AS GAVE HIM SOVEREIGN JURISDICTION OVER MANKIND; SO LIKEWISE HIS SOVEREIGNTY BUILT UPON EITHER OF THESE TITLES, IF HE HAD ANY SUCH, COULD NOT HAVE DESCENDED TO HIS HEIR, BUT MUST HAVE ENDED WITH HIM. ADAM THEREFORE, AS HAS BEEN PROVED, BEING NEITHER MONARCH, NOR HIS IMAGINARY MONARCHY HEREDITABLE, THE POWER WHICH IS NOW IN THE WORLD, IS NOT THAT WHICH WAS ADAM'S, SINCE ALL THAT ADAM COULD HAVE UPON OUR A'S GROUNDS, EITHER OF PROPERTY OR FATHERHOOD, NECESSARILY DIED WITH HIM, AND COULD NOT BE CONVEY'D TO POSTERITY BY INHERITANCE. IN THE NEXT PLACE WE WILL CONSIDER WHETHER ADAM HAD ANY SUCH HEIR, TO INHERIT HIS POWER, AS OUR A. TALKS OF.

BOOK I, CHAPTER 10 OF THE HEIR TO ADAM'S MONARCHICAL POWER

§ 104. OUR A. TELLS US, O. 253. THAT IT IS A TRUTH UNDENIABLE, THAT THERE CANNOT BE ANY MULTITUDE OF MEN WHATSOEVER, EITHER GREAT OR SMALL, THO' GATHERED TOGETHER FROM THE SEVERAL CORNERS. AND REMOTEST REGIONS OF THE WORLD, BUT ,THAT IN THE SAME MULTITUDE CONSIDERED BY ITS SELF, THERE IS ONE MAN AMONGST THEM, THAT IN NATURE HATH A RIGHT TO BE KING OF ALL THE REST, AS BEING THE NEXT HEIR TO ADAM, AND ALL THE OTHER SUBJECT TO HIM, EVERY MAN BY NATURE IS A KING OR A SUBJECT. AND AGAIN, P. 20. IF ADAM HIMSELF WERE STILL LIVING, AND NOW READY TO DIE, IT IS CERTAIN THAT THERE IS ONE MAN, AND BUT ONE IN THE WORLD WHO IS NEXT HEIR. .LET THIS MULTITUDE, OF MEN BE, IF OUR A. PLEASES, ALL THE PRINCES UPON THE EARTH, THERE WILL THEN BE BY OUR A'S RULE, ONE AMONGST THEM, THAT IN NATURE HATH A RIGHT TO BE KING OF ALL THE REST, AS BEING THE RIGHT HEIR TO ADAM; AN EXCELLENT WAY TO ESTABLISH THE THRONES OF PRINCES, AND SETTLE THE OBEDIENCE OF THEIR SUBJECTS, BY SETTING UP AN HUNDRED, OR PERHAPS A THOUSAND TITLES (IF THERE BE SO MANY PRINCES- IN THE WORLD) AGAINST ANY KING NOW REIGNING, EACH AS GOOD UPON OUR A'S GROUNDS, AS HIS WHO WEARS THE CROWN. IF THIS RIGHT OF HEIR CARRY ANY WEIGHT WITH IT, IF IT BE THE ORDINANCE OF GOD, AS OUR A. SEEMS TO TELL US, O. 244. MUST NOT ALL BE SUBJECT TO IT, FROM THE HIGHEST TO THE LOWEST? CAN THOSE WHO WEAR THE NAME OF PRINCES, WITHOUT HAVING THE RIGHT OF BEING HEIRS TO ADAM, DEMAND OBEDIENCE FROM THEIR SUBJECTS BY THIS TITLE, AND NOT BE BOUND TO PAY IT BY THE SAME LAW? EITHER GOVERNMENTS IN THE WORLD ARE NOT TO BE CLAIM'D AND HELD BY THIS TITLE OF ADAM'S HEIR, AND THEN THE STARTING OF IT IS TO NO PURPOSE, THE BEING OR NOT BEING ADAM'S HEIR SIGNIFIES NOTHING AS TO THE TITLE OF DOMINION; OR IF IT REALLY BE, AS OUR A. SAYS, THE TRUE TITLE TO GOVERNMENT AND SOVEREIGNTY, THE FIRST THING TO BE DONE, IS TO FIND OUT THIS TRUE HEIR OF ADAM, SEAT HIM IN HIS THRONE, AND THEN ALL THE KINGS AND PRINCES OF THE WORLD OUGHT TO COME AND RESIGN UP THEIR CROWNS AND SCEPTERS TO HIM, AS THINGS THAT BELONG NO MORE TO THEM, THAN TO ANY OF THEIR SUBJECTS.

§ 105. FOR EITHER THIS RIGHT IN NATURE, OF ADAM'S HEIR, TO BE KING OVER ALL THE RACE OF MEN, (FOR ALTOGETHER THEY MAKE ONE MULTITUDE) IS A RIGHT NOT NECESSARY TO THE MAKING OF A LAWFUL KING, AND SO THERE MAY BE LAWFUL KINGS WITHOUT IT, AND THEN KINGS TITLES AND POWER DEPEND NOT ON IT, OR ELSE ALL THE KINGS IN THE WORLD BUT ONE ARE NOT LAWFUL KINGS, AND SO HAVE NO RIGHT TO OBEDIENCE: EITHER THIS TITLE OF HEIR TO ADAM IS THAT WHEREBY KINGS HOLD THEIR CROWNS, AND HAVE A RIGHT TO SUBJECTION FROM THEIR SUBJECTS, AND THEN ONE ONLY CAN HAVE IT, AND THE REST BEING SUBJECTS CAN REQUIRE NO OBEDIENCE FROM OTHER MEN, WHO ARE BUT THEIR FELLOW SUBJECTS, OR ELSE IT IS NOT THE TITLE WHEREBY KINGS RULE, AND HAVE A RIGHT TO OBEDIENCE FROM THEIR SUBJECTS, AND THEN KINGS ARE KINGS WITHOUT IT, AND THIS DREAM OF THE NATURAL SOVEREIGNTY OF ADAM'S HEIR IS OF NO USE TO OBEDIENCE AND GOVERNMENT. FOR IF KINGS HAVE A RIGHT TO DOMINION, AND THE OBEDIENCE OF THEIR SUBJECTS, WHO ARE NOT, NOR CAN POSSIBLY BE, HEIRS TO ADAM, WHAT USE IS THERE OF SUCH A TITLE, WHEN WE ARE OBLIGED TO OBEY WITHOUT IT? IF KINGS, WHO ARE NOT HEIRS TO ADAM, HAVE NO RIGHT TO SOVEREIGNTY, WE ARE ALL FREE TILL OUR A. OR ANY BODY FOR HIM, WILL SPEW US ADAM'S RIGHT HEIR. IF THERE BE BUT ONE HEIR OF ADAM, THERE CAN BE BUT ONE LAWFUL KING IN THE WORLD, AND NO BODY IN CONSCIENCE CAN BE OBLIGED TO OBEDIENCE TILL IT BE RESOLVED WHO THAT IS; FOR IT MAY BE ANY ONE WHO IS NOT KNOWN TO BE OF A YOUNGER HOUSE, AND ALL OTHERS HAVE EQUAL TITLES. IF THERE BE MORE THAN ONE HEIR OF ADAM, EVERY ONE IS HIS HEIR, AND SO EVERY ONE HAS REGAL POWER. FOR IF TWO SONS CAN BE HEIRS TOGETHER, THEN ALL THE SONS ARE EQUALLY HEIRS, AND SO ALL ARE HEIRS, BEING ALL SONS, OR SONS SONS OF ADAM. BETWIXT THESE TWO THE RIGHT OF HEIR CANNOT STAND: FOR BY IT EITHER BUT ONE ONLY MAN, OR ALL MEN ARE KINGS. TAKE WHICH YOU PLEASE, IT DISSOLVES THE BONDS OF GOVERNMENT AND OBEDIENCE: SINCE IF ALL MEN ARE HEIRS, THEY CAN OWE OBEDIENCE TO NO BODY; IF ONLY ONE, NO BODY CAN BE OBLIGED TO PAY OBEDIENCE TO HIM, TILL HE BE KNOWN AND HIS TITLE MADE OUT.

BOOK I, CHAPTER 11 WHO HEIR?

§ 106. THE GREAT QUESTION WHICH IN ALL AGES HAS DISTURBED MANKIND, AND BROUGHT ON THEM THE GREATEST PART OF THOSE MISCHIEFS WHICH HAVE RUIN'D CITIES, DEPOPULATED COUNTRIES, AND DISORDERED THE PEACE OF THE WORLD, HAS BEEN, NOT WHETHER THERE BE POWER IN THE WORLD, NOR WHENCE IT CAME, BUT WHO SHOULD HAVE IT. THE SETTLING OF THIS POINT BEING OF NO SMALLER MOMENT THAN THE SECURITY OF PRINCES, AND THE PEACE AND WELFARE OF THEIR ESTATES AND KINGDOMS, A REFORMER OF POLITICKS, ONE WOULD THINK, SHOULD LAY THIS SURE, AND BE VERY CLEAR IN IT. FOR IF THIS REMAIN DISPUTABLE, ALL THE REST WILL BE TO VERY LITTLE PURPOSE; AND THE SKILL USED IN DRESSING UP POWER WITH ALL THE SPLENDOR AND TEMPTATION ABSOLUTENESS CAN ADD TO IT, WITHOUT SHEWING WHO HAS A RIGHT TO HAVE IT, WILL SERVE ONLY TO GIVE A GREATER EDGE TO MAN'S NATURAL AMBITION, WHICH OF IT SELF IS BUT TOO KEEN. WHAT CAN THIS DO BUT SET MEN ON THE MORE EAGERLY TO SCRAMBLE, AND SO LAY A SURE AND LASTING FOUNDATION OF ENDLESS CONTENTION AND DISORDER, INSTEAD OF THAT PEACE AND TRANQUILITY, WHICH IS THE BUSINESS OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE END OF HUMANE SOCIETY?

§ 107. THIS DESIGNATION OF THE PERSON OUR A. IS MORE THAN ORDINARILY OBLIGED TO TAKE CARE OF, BECAUSE HE, AFFIRMING THAT THE ASSIGNMENT OF CIVIL POWER IS BY DIVINE INSTITUTION, HATH MADE THE CONVEYANCE AS WELL AS THE POWER IT SELF SACRED: SO THAT NO CONSIDERATION, NO ACT OR ART OF MAN CAN DIVERT IT FROM THAT PERSON, TO WHOM BY THIS DIVINE RIGHT, IT IS ASSIGNED, NO NECESSITY OR CONTRIVANCE CAN SUBSTITUTE ANOTHER PERSON IN HIS ROOM. FOR IF THE ASSIGNMENT OF CIVIL POWER BE BY DIVINE INSTITUTION; AND ADAM'S HEIR BE HE, TO WHOM IT IS THUS ASSIGNED, AS IN THE FOREGOING CHAPTER OUR A. TELLS US, IT WOULD BE AS MUCH SACRILEDGE FOR ANY ONE TO BE KING, WHO WAS NOT ADAM'S HEIR, AS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AMONGST THE JEWS, FOR ANY ONE TO HAVE BEEN PRIEST, WHO HAD NOT BEEN OF AARONS POSTERITY: FOR NOT ONLY THE PRIESTHOOD IN GENERAL BEING BY DIVINE INSTITUTION, BUT THE ASSIGNMENT OF IT TO THE SOLE LINE AND POSTERITY OF AARON, MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO BE ENJOY'D OR EXERCISED BY ANY ONE, BUT THOSE PERSONS, WHO ARE THE OFF-SPRING OF AARON: WHOSE SUCCESSION THEREFORE WAS CAREFULLY OBSERVED, AND BY THAT THE PERSONS WHO HAD A RIGHT TO THE PRIESTHOOD CERTAINLY KNOWN.

§ 108. LET US SEE THEN WHAT CARE OUR A. HAS TAKEN, TO MAKE US KNOW WHO IS THIS HEIR, WHO BY DIVINE INSTITUTION, HAS A RIGHT TO BE KING OVER ALL MEN. THE FIRST ACCOUNT OF HIM WE MEET WITH IS P. 12. IN THESE WORDS: THIS SUBJECTION OF CHILDREN, BEING THE FOUNTAIN OF ALL REGAL AUTHORITY, BY THE ORDINATION OF GOD HIMSELF, IT FOLLOWS, THAT CIVIL POWER NOT ONLY IN GENERAL, IS BY DIVINE INSTITUTION, BUT EVEN THE ASSIGNMENT OF IT SPECIFICALLY TO THE ELDEST PARENTS. MATTERS OF SUCH CONSEQUENCE AS THIS IS, SHOULD BE IN PLAIN WORDS, AS LITTLE LIABLE AS MIGHT BE TO DOUBT OR EQUIVOCATION; AND I THINK IF LANGUAGE BE CAPABLE OF EXPRESSING ANY THING DISTINCTLY AND CLEARLY, THAT OF KINDRED, AND THE SEVERAL DEGREES OF NEARNESS OF BLOOD, IS ONE. IT WERE THEREFORE TO BE WISH'D, THAT OUR A. HAD USED A LITTLE MORE INTELLIGIBLE EXPRESSIONS HERE, THAT WE MIGHT HAVE BETTER KNOWN WHO IT IS, TO WHOM THE ASSIGNMENT O F CIVIL POWER IS MADE BY DIVINE INSTITUTION, OR AT LEAST WOULD HAVE TOLD US WHAT HE MEANT BY ELDEST PARENTS. FOR I BELIEVE IF LAND HAD BEEN ASSIGNED OR GRANTED TO HIM, AND THE ELDEST PARENTS OF HIS FAMILY, HE WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT HAD NEEDED AN INTERPRETER, AND 'TWOULD SCARCE HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO WHOM NEXT IT BELONG'D.

§ 109. IN PROPRIETY OF SPEECH, AND CERTAINLY PROPRIETY OF SPEECH IS NECESSARY IN A DISCOURSE OF THIS NATURE, ELDEST PARENTS SIGNIFIES EITHER THE ELDEST MEN AND WOMEN THAT HAVE HAD CHILDREN, OR THOSE WHO HAVE LONGEST HAD ISSUE: AND THEN OUR A'S ASSERTION WILL BE, THAT THOSE FATHERS AND MOTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN LONGEST IN THE WORLD, OR LONGEST FRUITFUL, HAVE BY DIVINE INSTITUTION A RIGHT TO CIVIL POWER. IF THERE BE ANY ABSURDITY IN THIS, OUR A. MUST ANSWER FOR IT: AND IF HIS MEANING BE DIFFERENT FROM MY EXPLICATION, HE IS TO BE BLAM'D, THAT HE WOULD NOT SPEAK IT PLAINLY. THIS I AM SURE, PARENTS CANNOT SIGNIFIE HEIRS MALE, NOR ELDEST PARENTS AN INFANT CHILD: WHO YET MAY SOMETIMES BE THE TRUE HEIR, IF THERE CAN BE BUT ONE. AND WE ARE HEREBY STILL AS MUCH AT A LOSS, WHO CIVIL POWER BELONGS TO, NOTWITHSTANDING THIS ASSIGNMENT BY DIVINE INSTITUTION, AS IF THERE HAD BEEN NO SUCH ASSIGNMENT AT ALL, OR OUR A. HAD SAID NOTHING OF IT. THIS OF ELDEST PARENTS LEAVING US MORE IN THE DARK, WHO BY DIVINE INSTITUTION HAS A RIGHT TO CIVIL POWER, THAN THOSE WHO NEVER HEARD ANY THING AT ALL OF HEIR, OR DESCENT, OF WHICH OUR A. IS SO FULL. AND THOUGH THE CHIEF MATTER OF HIS WRITINGS BE TO TEACH OBEDIENCE TO THOSE WHO HAVE A RIGHT TO IT, WHICH HE TELLS US IS CONVEYED BY DESCENT, YET WHO THOSE ARE TO WHOM THIS RIGHT BY DESCENT BELONGS, HE LEAVES LIKE THE PHILOSOPHERS STONE IN POLITICKS, OUT OF THE REACH OF ANY ONE TO DISCOVER FROM HIS WRITINGS.

§ 110. THIS OBSCURITY CANNOT BE IMPUTED TO WANT OF LANGUAGE IN SO GREAT A MASTER OF STYLE AS SIR ROBERT IS, WHEN HE IS RESOLVED WITH HIMSELF WHAT HE WOULD SAY: AND THEREFORE, I FEAR, FINDING HOW HARD IT WOULD BE TO SETTLE RULES OF DESCENT BY DIVINE INSTITUTION, AND HOW LITTLE IT WOULD BE TO HIS PURPOSE, OR CONDUCE TO THE CLEARING AND ESTABLISHING THE TITLES OF PRINCES, IF SUCH RULES OF DESCENT WERE SETTLED, HE CHOSE RATHER TO CONTENT HIMSELF WITH DOUBTFUL AND GENERAL TERMS, WHICH MIGHT MAKE NO ILL SOUND IN MENS EARS, WHO WERE WILLING TO BE PLEAS'D WITH THEM, RATHER THAN OFFER ANY CLEAR RULES OF DESCENT OF THIS FATHERHOOD OF ADAM, BY WHICH MENS CONSCIENCES MIGHT BE SATISFIED TO WHOM IT DESCENDED, AND KNOW THE PERSONS WHO HAD A RIGHT TO REGAL POWER, AND WITH IT TO THEIR OBEDIENCE.

§ 111. HOW ELSE IS IT POSSIBLE, THAT LAYING SO MUCH STRESS AS HE DOES UPON DESCENT, AND ADAM'S HEIR, NEXT HEIR, TRUE HEIR, HE SHOULD NEVER TELL US WHAT HEIR MEANS, NOR THE WAY TO KNOW WHO THE NEXT OR TRUE HEIR IS. THIS I DO NOT REMEMBER HE DOES ANY WHERE EXPRESSLY HANDLE, BUT WHERE IT COMES IN HIS WAY VERY WARILY AND DOUBTFULLY TOUCHES: THOUGH IT BE SO NECESSARY THAT WITHOUT IT ALL DISCOURSES OF GOVERNMENT AND OBEDIENCE UPON HIS PRINCIPLES WOULD BE TO NO PURPOSE, AND FATHERLY POWER, NEVER SO WELL MADE OUT, WILL BE OF NO USE TO ANY BODY. HENCE HE TELLS US, O. 244. THAT NOT ONLY THE CONSTITUTION OF POWER IN GENERAL, BUT THE LIMITATION OF IT TO ONE KIND, (I.E.) MONARCHY AND THE DETERMINATION OF IT TO THE INDIVIDUAL PERSON AND LINE OF ADAM, ARE ALL THREE ORDINANCES OF GOD, NEITHER EVE NOR HER CHILDREN COULD EITHER LIMIT ADAM'S POWER, OR JOYN OTHERS WITH HIM; AND WHAT WAS GIVEN UNTO ADAM WAS GIVEN IN HIS PERSON TO HIS POSTERITY. HERE AGAIN OUR A. INFORMS US, THAT THE DIVINE ORDINANCE HATH LIMITED THE DESCENT OF ADAM'S MONARCHICAL POWER. TO WHOM? TO ADAM'S LINE AND POSTERITY, SAYS OUR A. A NOTABLE LIMITATION, A LIMITATION TO ALL MANKIND. FOR IF OUR A. CAN FIND ANY ONE AMONGST MANKIND THAT IS NOT OF THE LINE AND POSTERITY OF ADAM, HE MAY PERHAPS TELL HIM WHO THIS NEXT HEIR OF ADAM IS: BUT FOR US, I DESPAIR HOW THIS LIMITATION OF ADAM'S EMPIRE TO HIS LINE AND POSTERITY WILL HELP US TO FIND OUT ONE HEIR. THIS LIMITATION INDEED OF OUR A. WILL SAVE THOSE THE LABOUR WHO WOULD LOOK FOR HIM AMONGST THE RACE OF BRUITS, IF ANY SUCH THERE WERE; BUT WILL VERY LITTLE CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISCOVERY OF ONE NEXT HEIR AMONGST MEN, THOUGH IT MAKE A SHORT AND EASIE DETERMINATION OF THE QUESTION ABOUT THE DESCENT OF ADAM'S REGAL POWER, BY TELLING US, THAT THE LINE AND POSTERITY OF ADAM IS TO HAVE IT, THAT IS IN PLAIN ENGLISH, ANY ONE MAY HAVE IT, SINCE THERE IS NO PERSON LIVING THAT HATH NOT THE TITLE OF BEING OF THE LINE AND POSTERITY OF ADAM, AND WHILE IT KEEPS THERE, IT KEEPS WITHIN OUR A'S LIMITATION BY GOD'S ORDINANCE. INDEED, P. 19. HE TELLS US, THAT SUCH HEIRS ARE NOT ONLY LORDS OF THEIR OWN CHILDREN, BUT OF THEIR BRETHREN, WHEREBY, AND BY THE WORDS FOLLOWING, WHICH WE SHALL CONSIDER ANON, HE SEEMS TO INSINUATE THAT THE ELDEST SON IS HEIR: BUT HE NO WHERE, THAT I KNOW, SAYS IT IN DIRECT WORDS, BUT BY THE INSTANCES OF CAIN AND JACOB THAT THERE FOLLOW, WE MAY ALLOW THIS TO BE SO FAR HIS OPINION CONCERNING HEIRS, THAT WHERE THERE ARE DIVERS CHILDREN, THE ELDEST SON HAS THE RIGHT TO BE HEIR. THAT PRIMOGENITURE CANNOT GIVE ANY TITLE TO PATERNAL POWER WE HAVE ALREADY SHEW'D. THAT A FATHER MAY HAVE A NATURAL RIGHT TO SOME KIND OF POWER OVER HIS CHILDREN, IS EASILY GRANTED, BUT THAT AN ELDER BROTHER HAS SO OVER HIS BRETHREN REMAINS TO BE PROVED. GOD OR NATURE HAS NOT ANY WHERE, THAT I KNOW, PLACED SUCH JURISDICTION IN THE FIRST-BORN, NOR CAN REASON FIND ANY SUCH NATURAL SUPERIORITY AMONGST BRETHREN. THE LAW OF MOSES GAVE A DOUBLE PORTION OF THE GOODS AND POSSESSIONS TO THE ELDEST, BUT WE FIND NOT ANY WHERE THAT NATURALLY, OR BY GOD'S INSTITUTION, SUPERIORITY OR DOMINION BELONG'D TO HIM, AND THE INSTANCES THERE BROUGHT BY OUR A. ARE BUT SLENDER PROOFS OF A RIGHT TO CIVIL POWER AND DOMINION IN THE FIRST-BORN, AND DO RATHER SPEW THE CONTRARY.

§ 112. HIS WORDS ARE IN THE FORECITED PLACE: AND THEREFORE WE FIND GOD TOLD CAIN OF HIS BROTHER ABEL; HIS DESIRE SHALL BE SUBJECT UNTO THEE, AND THOU SHALT RULE OVER HIM. TO WHICH I ANSWER, 1. THESE WORDS OF GOD TO CAIN, ARE BY MANY INTERPRETERS WITH GREAT REASON, UNDERSTOOD IN A QUITE DIFFERENT SENSE THAN WHAT OUR A. USES THEM IN. 2. WHATEVER WAS MEANT BY THEM, IT COULD NOT BE, THAT CAIN AS ELDER, HAD A NATURAL DOMINION OVER ABEL, FOR THE WORDS ARE CONDITIONAL: IF THOU DOST WELL AND SO PERSONAL TO CAIN, AND WHATEVER WAS SIGNIFIED BY THEM, DID DEPEND ON HIS CARRIAGE AND NOT FOLLOW HIS BIRTH-RIGHT, AND THEREFORE COULD BY NO MEANS BE AN ESTABLISHMENT OF DOMINION IN THE FIRST-BORN IN GENERAL. FOR BEFORE THIS ABEL HAD HIS DISTINCT TERRITORIES BY RIGHT OF PRIVATE DOMINION, AS OUR A. HIMSELF CONFESSES, O. 210. WHICH HE COULD NOT. HAVE HAD TO THE PREJUDICE OF THE HEIRS TITLE, IF BY DIVINE INSTITUTION, CAIN AS HEIR WERE TO INHERIT ALL HIS FATHER'S DOMINION. 3. IF THIS WERE INTENDED BY GOD AS THE CHARTER OF PRIMOGENITURE, AND THE GRANT OF DOMINION TO ELDER BROTHERS IN GENERAL AS SUCH, BY RIGHT OF INHERITANCE, WE MIGHT EXPECT IT SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED ALL HIS BRETHREN. FOR WE MAY WELL SUPPOSE, ADAM, FROM WHOM THE WORLD WAS TO BE PEOPLED, HAD BY THIS TIME, THAT THESE WERE GROWN UP TO BE MEN, MORE SONS THAN THESE TWO: WHEREAS ABEL HIMSELF IS NOT SO MUCH AS NAMED; AND THE WORDS IN THE ORIGINAL, CAN SCARCE, WITH ANY GOOD CONSTRUCTION, BE APPLIED TO HIM. 4. IT IS TOO MUCH TO BUILD A DOCTRINE OF SO MIGHTY CONSEQUENCE UPON SO DOUBTFUL AND OBSCURE A PLACE OF SCRIPTURE, WHICH MAY BE WELL, NAY BETTER, UNDERSTOOD IN A QUITE DIFFERENT SENSE, AND SO CAN BE BUT AN ILL PROOF, BEING AS DOUBTFUL AS THE THING TO BE PROVED BY IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE IS NOTHING ELSE IN SCRIPTURE OR REASON TO BE FOUND, THAT FAVOURS OR SUPPORTS IT.

§ 113. IT FOLLOWS, P. 19. ACCORDINGLY WHEN JACOB BOUGHT HIS BROTHERS BIRTH-RIGHT, ISAAC BLESSED HIM THUS; BE LORD OVER THY BRETHREN, AND LET THE SONS OF THY MOTHER BOW BEFORE THEE. ANOTHER INSTANCE I TAKE IT, BROUGHT BY OUR A. TO EVINCE DOMINION DUE TO BIRTH-RIGHT, AND AN ADMIRABLE ONE IT IS. FOR IT MUST BE NO ORDINARY WAY OF REASONING IN A MAN, THAT IS PLEADING FOR THE NATURAL POWER OF KINGS, AND AGAINST ALL COMPACT TO BRING FOR PROOF OF IT, AN EXAMPLE WHERE HIS OWN ACCOUNT OF IT FOUNDS ALL THE RIGHT UPON COMPACT, AND SETTLES EMPIRE IN THE YOUNGER BROTHER, UNLESS BUYING AND SELLING BE NO COMPACT; FOR HE TELLS US, WHEN JACOB BOUGHT HIS BROTHERS BIRTH-RIGHT. BUT PASSING BY THAT, LET US CONSIDER THE HISTORY IT SELF, WITH WHAT USE OUR A. MAKES OF IT, AND WE SHALL FIND THESE FOLLOWING MISTAKES ABOUT IT. 1°. THAT OUR A. REPORTS THIS, AS IF ISAAC HAD GIVEN JACOB THIS BLESSING, IMMEDIATELY UPON HIS PURCHASING THE BIRTH-RIGHT, FOR HE SAYS, WHEN JACOB BOUGHT ISAAC BLESSED HIM, WHICH IS PLAINLY OTHERWISE IN THE SCRIPTURE. FOR IT APPEARS THERE WAS A DISTANCE OF TIME BETWEEN, AND IF WE WILL TAKE THE STORY IN THE ORDER IT LIES, IT MUST BE NO SMALL DISTANCE; ALL ISAAC'S SOJOURNING IN GERAR, AND TRANSACTIONS WITH ABIMELECH, GEN. 26. COMING BETWEEN, REBEKA BEING THEN BEAUTIFUL AND CONSEQUENTLY YOUNG, BUT ISAAC WHEN HE BLESSED JACOB, WAS OLD AND DECREPIT; AND ESAU ALSO COMPLAINS OF JACOB, GEN. 27. 36. THAT TWO TIMES HE HAD SUPPLANTED HIM, HE TOOK AWAY MY BIRTH-RIGHT, SAYS HE, AND BEHOLD NOW HE HATH TAKEN AWAY MY BLESSING; WORDS, THAT I THINK SIGNIFIE DISTANCE OF TIME AND DIFFERENCE OF ACTION. 2°. ANOTHER MISTAKE OF OUR A'S, IS, THAT HE SUPPOSES ISAAC GAVE JACOB THE BLESSING, AND BID HIM BE LORD OVER HIS BRETHREN, BECAUSE HE HAD THE BIRTH-RIGHT: FOR OUR A. BRINGS THIS EXAMPLE TO PROVE, THAT HE, THAT HAS THE BIRTHRIGHT, HAS THEREBY A RIGHT TO BE LORD OVER HIS BRETHREN. BUT IT IS ALSO MANIFEST BY THE TEXT, THAT ISAAC HAD NO CONSIDERATION OF JACOBS HAVING BOUGHT THE BIRTH-RIGHT, FOR WHEN HE BLESSED HIM, HE CONSIDERED HIM NOT AS JACOB, BUT TOOK HIM FOR ESAU. NOR DID ESAU UNDERSTAND ANY SUCH CONNECTION BETWEEN BIRTH-RIGHT AND THE BLESSING, FOR HE SAYS, HE HATH SUPPLANTED ME THESE TWO TIMES, HE TOOK AWAY MY BIRTH-RIGHT, AND BEHOLD NOW HE HATH TAKEN AWAY MY BLESSING: WHEREAS HAD THE BLESSING, WHICH WAS TO BE LORD OVER HIS BRETHREN, BELONG'D TO THE BIRTH-RIGHT, ESAU COULD NOT HAVE COMPLAIN'D OF THIS SECOND AS A CHEAT, JACOB HAVING GOT NOTHING BUT WHAT ESAU HAD SOLD HIM, WHEN HE SOLD HIM HIS BIRTH-RIGHT: SO THAT IT IS PLAIN, DOMINION, IF THESE WORDS SIGNIFIE IT, WAS NOT UNDERSTOOD TO BELONG TO THE BIRTH-RIGHT.

§ 114. AND THAT IN THOSE DAYS OF THE PATRIARCHS, DOMINION WAS NOT UNDERSTOOD TO BE RIGHT OF THE HEIR, BUT ONLY A GREATER PORTION OF GOODS, IS PLAIN FROM GEN. 21. 10. FOR SARAH TAKING ISAAC TO BE HEIR, SAYS, CAST OUT THIS BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THIS BOND-WOMAN SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH MY SON: WHEREBY COULD BE MEANT NOTHING, BUT THAT HE SHOULD NOT HAVE A PRETENCE TO AN EQUAL SHARE OF HIS FATHERS ESTATE AFTER HIS DEATH, BUT SHOULD HAVE HIS PORTION PRESENTLY AND BE GONE. ACCORDINGLY WE READ, GEN. 25. 5, 6. THAT ABRAHAM GAVE ALL THAT HE HAD UNTO ISAAC, BUT UNTO THE SONS OF THE CONCUBINES WHICH ABRAHAM HAD, ABRAHAM GAVE GIFTS AND SENT THEM AWAY FROM ISAAC HIS SON, WHILE HE YET LIVED. THAT IS, ABRAHAM HAVING GIVEN PORTIONS TO ALL HIS OTHER SONS, AND SENT THEM AWAY, THAT WHICH HE HAD RESERVED, BEING THE GREATEST PART OF HIS SUBSTANCE, ISAAC AS HEIR POSSESSED AFTER HIS DEATH, BUT BY BEING HEIR, HE HAD NO RIGHT TO BE LORD OVER HIS BRETHREN; FOR IF HE HAD, WHY SHOULD SARAH ENDEAVOUR TO ROB HIM OF ONE OF HIS SUBJECTS, OR LESSEN THE NUMBER OF HIS SLAVES, BY DESIRING TO HAVE ISHMAEL SENT AWAY.

§ 115. THUS, AS UNDER THE LAW, THE PRIVILEDGE OF BIRTHRIGHT WAS NOTHING BUT A DOUBLE PORTION, SO WE SEE THAT BEFORE MOSES IN THE PATRIARCHS TIME, FROM WHENCE OUR A. PRETENDS TO TAKE HIS MODEL, THERE WAS NO KNOWLEDGE, NO THOUGHT, THAT BIRTH-RIGHT GAVE RULE OR EMPIRE, PATERNAL OR KINGLY AUTHORITY, TO ANY ONE OVER HIS BRETHREN. IF THIS BE NOT PLAIN ENOUGH IN THE STORY OF ISAAC AND ISHMAEL, HE THAT WILL LOOK INTO 1 CHRON. 5. 1. 2. MAY THERE READ THESE WORDS, RUBEN WAS THE FIRST BORN, BUT FORASMUCH AS HE DEFILED HIS FATHERS BED, HIS BIRTH-RIGHT WAS GIVEN UNTO THE SONS OF JOSEPH, THE SON OF ISRAEL, AND THE GENEALOGY IS NOT TO BE RECKON'D AFTER THE BIRTH-RIGHT; FOR JUDAH PREVAILED ABOVE HIS BRETHREN, AND OF HIM CAME THE CHIEF RULER, BUT THE BIRTH-RIGHT WAS JOSEPH'S: WHAT THIS BIRTH-RIGHT WAS, JACOB BLESSING JOSEPH, GEN. 48. 22. TELLETH US IN THESE WORDS, MOREOVER I HAVE GIVEN THEE ONE PORTION ABOVE THY BRETHREN, WHICH I TOOK OUT OF THE HAND OF THE AMORITE, WITH MY SWORD AND WITH MY BOW. WHEREBY IT IS NOT ONLY PLAIN, THAT THE BIRTH-RIGHT WAS NOTHING BUT A DOUBLE PORTION, BUT THE TEXT IN CHRON. IS EXPRESS AGAINST OUR A'S DOCTRINE, AND SKEWS THAT DOMINION WAS NO PART OF THE BIRTH-RIGHT. FOR IT TELLS US THAT JOSEPH HAD THE BIRTH-RIGHT, BUT JUDAH THE DOMINION. ONE WOULD THINK OUR A. WERE VERY FOND OF THE VERY NAME OF BIRTH-RIGHT WHEN HE BRINGS THIS INSTANCE OF JACOB AND ESAU, TO PROVE THAT DOMINION BELONGS TO THE HEIR OVER HIS BRETHREN.

§ 116. 1°. BECAUSE IT WILL BE BUT AN ILL EXAMPLE TO PROVE, THAT DOMINION BY GOD'S ORDINATION BELONGED TO THE ELDEST SON, BECAUSE JACOB THE YOUNGEST HERE HAD IT, LET HIM COME BY IT HOW HE WOULD. FOR IF IT PROVE ANY THING, IT CAN ONLY PROVE AGAINST OUR A. THAT THE ASSIGNMENT OF DOMINION TO THE ELDEST, IS NOT BY DIVINE INSTITUTION, WHICH WOULD THEN BE UNALTERABLE. FOR IF BY THE LAW OF GOD, OR NATURE, ABSOLUTE POWER AND EMPIRE BELONGS TO THE ELDEST SON AND HIS HEIRS, SO THAT THEY ARE SUPREAM MONARCHS, AND ALL THE REST OF THEIR BRETHREN SLAVES, OUR A. GIVES US REASON TO DOUBT WHETHER THE ELDEST SON HAS A POWER TO PART WITH IT, TO THE PREJUDICE OF HIS POSTERITY, SINCE HE TELLS US, O. 158. THAT IN GRANTS AND GIFTS THAT HAVE THEIR ORIGINAL FROM GOD OR NATURE, NO INFERIOR POWER OF MAN CAN LIMIT, OR MAKE ANY LAW OF PRESCRIPTION AGAINST THEM.

§ 117. 2°. BECAUSE THIS PLACE, GEN. 27. 29. BROUGHT BY OUR A. CONCERNS NOT AT ALL THE DOMINION OF ONE BROTHER OVER THE OTHER, NOR THE SUBJECTION OF ESAU TO JACOB. FOR 'TIS PLAIN IN THE HISTORY, THAT ESAU WAS NEVER SUBJECT TO JACOB, BUT LIVED A PART IN MOUNT SEIR, WHERE HE FOUNDED A DISTINCT PEOPLE AND GOVERNMENT, AND WAS HIMSELF PRINCE OVER THEM, AS MUCH AS JACOB WAS IN HIS OWN FAMILY. THIS TEXT IF CONSIDERED, CAN NEVER BE UNDERSTOOD OF ESAU HIMSELF, OR THE PERSONAL DOMINION OF JACOB OVER HIM: FOR THE WORDS BRETHREN AND SONS OF THY MOTHER, COULD NOT BE USED LITERALLY BY ISAAC, WHO KNEW JACOB HAD ONLY ONE BROTHER; AND THESE WORDS ARE SO FAR FROM BEING TRUE IN A LITERAL SENSE, OR ESTABLISHING ANY DOMINION IN JACOB OVER ESAU, THAT IN THE STORY WE FIND THE QUITE CONTRARY, FOR GEN. 32. JACOB SEVERAL TIMES CALLS ESAU LORD AND HIMSELF HIS SERVANT, AND GEN. 33. HE BOWED HIMSELF SEVEN TIMES TO THE GROUND TO ESAU. WHETHER ESAU THEN WERE A SUBJECT AND VASSAL, NAY (AS OUR A. TELLS US, ALL SUBJECTS ARE) SLAVES TO JACOB, AND JACOB HIS SOVEREIGN PRINCE BY BIRTHRIGHT, I LEAVE THE READER TO JUDGE; AND TO BELIEVE IF HE CAN, THAT THESE WORDS OF ISAAC, BE LORD OVER THY BRETHREN, AND LET THY MOTHERS SONS BOW DOWN TO THEE, CONFIRM'D JACOB IN A SOVEREIGNTY OVER ESAU, UPON THE ACCOUNT OF THE BIRTH-RIGHT HE HAD GOT FROM HIM.

§ 118. HE THAT READS THE STORY OF JACOB AND ESAU, WILL FIND THERE WAS NEVER ANY JURISDICTION OR AUTHORITY, THAT EITHER OF THEM HAD OVER THE OTHER AFTER THEIR FATHER'S DEATH: THEY LIVED WITH THE FRIENDSHIP AND EQUALITY OF BRETHREN, NEITHER LORD, NEITHER SLAVE TO HIS BROTHER, BUT INDEPENDENT EACH OF OTHER, WERE BOTH HEADS OF THEIR DISTINCT FAMILIES, WHERE THEY RECEIVED NO LAWS FROM ONE ANOTHER, BUT LIVED SEPARATELY, AND WERE THE ROOTS OUT OF WHICH SPRANG TWO DISTINCT PEOPLES, UNDER TWO DISTINCT GOVERNMENTS. THIS BLESSING THEN OF ISAAC, WHEREON OUR A. WOULD BUILD THE DOMINION OF THE ELDER BROTHER, SIGNIFIES NOR MORE BUT WHAT REBECCA HAD BEEN TOLD FROM GOD, GEN. 25. 23. TWO NATIONS ARE IN THY WOMB, AND TWO MANNER OF PEOPLE, SHALL BE SEPARATED FROM THY BOWELS, AND THE ONE PEOPLE SHALL BE STRONGER THAN THE OTHER PEOPLE, AND THE ELDER SHALL SERVE THE YOUNGER; AND SO JACOB BLESSED JUDAH, GEN. 49. AND GAVE HIM THE SCEPTER AND DOMINION, FROM WHENCE OUR A. MIGHT HAVE ARGUED AS WELL, THAT JURISDICTION AND DOMINION BELONGS TO THE THIRD SON OVER HIS BRETHREN, AS WELL AS FROM THIS BLESSING OF ISAAC, THAT IT BELONGED TO JACOB: BOTH THESE PLACES CONTAIN ONLY PREDICTIONS OF WHAT SHOULD LONG AFTER HAPPEN TO THEIR POSTERITIES, AND NOT ANY DECLARATION OF THE RIGHT OF INHERITANCE TO DOMINION IN EITHER. AND THUS WE HAVE OUR A'S TWO GREAT AND ONLY ARGUMENTS TO PROVE, THAT HEIRS ARE LORDS OVER THEIR BRETHREN. 1°. BECAUSE GOD TELLS CAIN, GEN. 4. THAT HOWEVER SIN MIGHT SET UPON HIM, HE OUGHT OR MIGHT BE MASTER OF IT: FOR THE MOST LEARNED INTERPRETERS UNDERSTAND THE WORDS OF SIN, AND NOT OF ABEL, AND GIVE SO STRONG REASONS FOR IT, THAT NOTHING CAN CONVINCINGLY BE INFERR'D FROM SO DOUBTFUL A TEXT, TO OUR A'S PURPOSE. 2°. BECAUSE IN THIS OF GEN. 27. ISAAC FORETELS THAT THE ISRAELITES, THE POSTERITY OF JACOB, SHOULD HAVE DOMINION OVER THE EDOMITES, THE POSTERITY OF ESAU; THEREFORE SAYS OUR A. HEIRS ARE LORDS OF THEIR BRETHREN: I LEAVE ANY ONE TO JUDGE, OF THE CONCLUSION.

§ 119. AND NOW WE SEE HOW OUR A. HAS PROVIDED FOR THE DESCENDING AND CONVEYANCE DOWN OF ADAM'S MONARCHICAL POWER, OR PATERNAL DOMINION TO POSTERITY, BY THE INHERITANCE OF HIS HEIR, SUCCEEDING TO ALL HIS FATHER'S AUTHORITY, AND BECOMING UPON HIS DEATH AS MUCH LORD AS HIS FATHER WAS, NOT ONLY OVER HIS OWN CHILDREN, BUT OVER HIS BRETHREN, AND ALL DESCENDED FROM HIS FATHER, AND SO IN INFINITUM. BUT YET WHO THIS HEIR IS, HE DOES NOT ONCE TELL US; AND ALL THE LIGHT WE HAVE FROM HIM IN THIS SO FUNDAMENTAL A POINT, IS ONLY THAT IN HIS INSTANCE OF JACOB, BY USING THE WORD BIRTH-RIGHT, AS THAT WHICH PASSED FROM ESAU TO JACOB, HE LEAVES US TO GUESS, THAT BY HEIR, HE MEANS THE ELDEST SON, THOUGH I DO NOT REMEMBER HE ANY WHERE MENTIONS EXPRESLY THE TITLE OF THE FIRST-BORN, BUT ALL ALONG KEEPS HIMSELF UNDER THE SHELTER OF THE INDEFINITE TERM HEIR. BUT TAKING IT TO BE HIS MEANING, THAT THE ELDEST SON IS HEIR, (FOR IF THE ELDEST BE NOT, THERE WILL BE NO PRETENCE WHY THE SONS SHOULD NOT BE ALL HEIRS ALIKE) AND SO BY RIGHT OF PRIMOGENITURE HAS DOMINION OVER HIS BRETHREN; THIS IS BUT ONE STEP TOWARDS THE SETTLEMENT OF SUCCESSION, AND THE DIFFICULTIES REMAIN STILL AS MUCH AS EVER, TILL HE CAN SHEW US WHO IS MEANT BY RIGHT HEIR, IN ALL THOSE CASES WHICH MAY HAPPEN WHERE THE PRESENT POSSESSOR HATH NO SON. THIS HE SILENTLY PASSES OVER, AND PERHAPS WISELY TOO: FOR WHAT CAN BE WISER AFTER ONE HAS AFFIRM'D, THAT THE PERSON HAVING THAT POWER, AS WELL AS THE POWER AND FORM OF GOVERNMENT, IS THE ORDINANCE OF GOD, AND BY DIVINE INSTITUTION, VID. O. 254. P. 12. THAN TO BE CAREFUL, NOT TO START ANY QUESTION CONCERNING THE PERSON, THE RESOLUTION WHEREOF WILL CERTAINLY LEAD HIM INTO A CONFESSION, THAT GOD AND NATURE HATH DETERMINED NOTHING ABOUT HIM. AND IF OUR A. CANNOT SHEW WHO BY RIGHT OF NATURE, OR A CLEAR POSITIVE LAW OF GOD, HAS THE NEXT RIGHT TO INHERIT THE DOMINION OF THIS NATURAL MONARCH, HE HAS BEEN AT SUCH PAINS ABOUT, WHEN HE DIED WITHOUT A SON, HE MIGHT HAVE SPARED HIS PAINS IN ALL THE REST, IT BEING MORE NECESSARY FOR THE SETLING MENS CONSCIENCES, AND DETERMINING THEIR SUBJECTION AND ALLEGIANCE, TO SHEW THEM WHO BY ORIGINAL RIGHT, SUPERIOR AND ANTECEDENT TO THE WILL, OR ANY ACT OF MEN, HATH A TITLE TO THIS PATERNAL JURISDICTION, THAN IT IS TO SHEW THAT BY NATURE THERE WAS SUCH A JURISDICTION: IT BEING TO NO PURPOSE FOR ME TO KNOW THERE IS SUCH A PATERNAL POWER, WHICH I OUGHT, AND AM DISPOSED TO OBEY, UNLESS WHERE THERE ARE MANY PRETENDERS, I ALSO KNOW THE PERSON THAT IS RIGHTLY INVESTED AND ENDOW'D WITH IT.

§ 120. FOR THE MAIN MATTER IN QUESTION BEING CONCERNING THE DUTY OF MY OBEDIENCE, AND THE OBLIGATION OF CONSCIENCE I AM UNDER TO PAY IT TO HIM THAT IS OF RIGHT MY LORD AND RULER, I MUST KNOW THE PERSON THAT THIS RIGHT OF PATERNAL POWER RESIDES IN, AND SO IMPOWERS HIM TO CLAIM OBEDIENCE FROM ME. FOR LET IT BE TRUE WHAT HE SAYS, P. 12. THAT CIVIL POWER NOT ONLY IN GENERAL IS BY DIVINE INSTITUTION, BUT EVEN THE ASSIGNMENT OF IT SPECIFICALLY TO THE ELDEST PARENTS; AND O. 254. THAT NOT ONLY THE POWER OR RIGHT OF GOVERNMENT, BUT THE FORM OF THE POWER OF GOVERNING, AND THE PERSON HAVING THAT POWER, ARE ALL THE ORDINANCE OF GOD; YET UNLESS HE SHEW US IN ALL CASES WHO IS THIS PERSON, ORDAIN'D BY GOD, WHO IS THIS ELDEST PARENT; ALL HIS ABSTRACT NOTIONS OF MONARCHICAL POWER WILL SIGNIFIE JUST NOTHING, WHEN THEY ARE TO BE REDUCED TO PRACTICE, AND MEN ARE CONSCIENTIOUSLY TO PAY THEIR OBEDIENCE. FOR PATERNAL JURISDICTION BEING NOT THE THING TO BE OBEYED, BECAUSE IT CANNOT COMMAND, BUT IS ONLY THAT WHICH GIVES ONE MAN A RIGHT, WHICH ANOTHER HATH NOT, AND IF IT COME BY INHERITANCE, ANOTHER MAN CANNOT HAVE, TO COMMAND AND BE OBEY'D; IT IS RIDICULOUS TO SAY, I PAY OBEDIENCE TO THE PATERNAL POWER, WHEN I OBEY HIM, TO WHOM PATERNAL POWER GIVES NO RIGHT TO MY OBEDIENCE; FOR HE CAN HAVE NO DIVINE RIGHT TO MY OBEDIENCE, WHO CANNOT SPEW HIS DIVINE RIGHT TO THE POWER OF RULING OVER ME, AS WELL AS THAT BY DIVINE RIGHT, THERE IS SUCH A POWER IN THE WORLD.

§ 121. AND HENCE NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE OUT ANY PRINCES TITLE TO GOVERNMENT, AS HEIR TO ADAM, WHICH THEREFORE IS OF NO USE, AND HAD BEEN BETTER LET ALONE, HE IS FAIN TO RESOLVE ALL INTO PRESENT POSSESSION, AND MAKES CIVIL OBEDIENCE AS DUE TO AN USURPER AS TO A LAWFUL KING; AND THEREBY THE USURPER'S TITLE AS GOOD. HIS WORDS ARE, O. 253. AND THEY DESERVE TO BE REMEMBRED: IF AN USURPER DISPOSSESS THE TRUE HEIR, THE SUBJECTS OBEDIENCE TO THE FATHERLY POWER MUST GO ALONG AND WAIT UPON GOD'S PROVIDENCE. BUT I SHALL LEAVE HIS TITLE OF USURPERS TO BE EXAMIN'D IN ITS DUE PLACE, AND DESIRE MY SOBER READER TO CONSIDER WHAT THANKS PRINCES OWE SUCH POLITICKS AS THIS, WHICH CAN SUPPOSE PATERNAL POWER (I.E.) A RIGHT TO GOVERNMENT IN THE HANDS OF A CADE, OR A CROMWEL, AND SO ALL OBEDIENCE BEING DUE TO PATERNAL POWER, THE OBEDIENCE OF SUBJECTS WILL BE DUE TO THEM BY THE SAME RIGHT, AND UPON AS GOOD GROUNDS AS IT IS TO LAWFUL PRINCES; AND YET THIS, AS DANGEROUS A DOCTRINE AS IT IS, MUST NECESSARILY FOLLOW FROM MAKING ALL POLITICAL POWER TO BE NOTHING ELSE BUT ADAM'S PATERNAL POWER BY RIGHT AND DIVINE INSTITUTION, DESCENDING FROM HIM, WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SHEW TO WHOM IT DESCENDED, OR WHO IS HEIR TO IT.

§ 122. TO SETTLE GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD, AND TO LAY OBLIGATIONS TO OBEDIENCE ON ANY MANS CONSCIENCE, IT IS AS NECESSARY (SUPPOSING WITH OUR A. THAT ALL POWER BE NOTHING BUT THE BEING POSSESSED OF ADAM'S FATHERHOOD) TO SATISFIE HIM, WHO HAS A RIGHT TO THIS POWER, THIS FATHERHOOD, WHEN THE POSSESSOR DIES WITHOUT SONS TO SUCCEED IMMEDIATELY TO IT, AS IT WAS TO TELL HIM THAT UPON THE DEATH OF THE FATHER, THE ELDEST SON HAD A RIGHT TO IT: FOR IT IS STILL TO BE REMEMBER'D, THAT THE GREAT QUESTION IS, (AND THAT WHICH OUR A. WOULD BE THOUGHT TO CONTEND FOR, IF HE DID NOT SOMETIMES FORGET IT) WHAT PERSONS HAVE A RIGHT TO BE OBEYED, AND NOT WHETHER THERE BE A POWER IN THE WORLD, WHICH IS TO BE CALLED PATERNAL, WITHOUT KNOWING IN WHOM IT RESIDES: FOR SO IT BE A POWER, I.E. RIGHT TO GOVERN, IT MATTERS NOT, WHETHER IT BE TERMED PATERNAL, OR REGAL; NATURAL, OR ACQUIRED, WHETHER YOU CALL IT SUPREME FATHERHOOD, OR SUPREME BROTHERHOOD, WILL BE ALL ONE PROVIDED WE KNOW WHO HAS IT.

§ 123. I GO ON THEN TO ASK WHETHER IN THE INHERITING OF THIS PATERNAL POWER, THIS SUPREME FATHERHOOD, THE GRANDSON BY A DAUGHTER, HATH A RIGHT BEFORE A NEPHEW BY A BROTHER? WHETHER THE GRAND-SON BY THE ELDEST SON, BEING AN INFANT, BEFORE THE YOUNGER SON A MAN AND ABLE? WHETHER THE DAUGHTER BEFORE THE UNCLE? OR ANY OTHER MAN, DESCENDED BY A MALE LINE? WHETHER A GRAND-SON BY A YOUNGER DAUGHTER, BEFORE A GRAND-DAUGHTER BY AN ELDER DAUGHTER? WHETHER THE ELDER SON BY A CONCUBINE, BEFORE A YOUNGER SON BY A WIFE? FROM WHENCE ALSO WILL ARISE MANY QUESTIONS OF LEGITIMATION, AND WHAT IN NATURE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWIXT A WIFE AND A CONCUBINE? FOR AS TO THE MUNICIPAL OR POSITIVE LAWS OF MEN, THEY CAN SIGNIFIE NOTHING HERE. IT MAY FARTHER BE ASKED, WHETHER THE ELDEST SON BEING A FOOL, SHALL INHERIT THIS PATERNAL POWER, BEFORE THE YOUNGER A WISE MAN? AND WHAT DEGREE OF FOLLY IT MUST BE, THAT SHALL EXCLUDE HIM? AND WHO SHALL BE JUDGE OF IT? WHETHER THE SON OF A FOOL EXCLUDED FOR HIS FOLLY, BEFORE THE SON OF HIS WISE BROTHER WHO REIGN'D? WHO HAS THE PATERNAL POWER, WHILST THE WIDOW-QUEEN IS WITH CHILD BY THE DECEASED KING, AND NO BODY KNOWS WHETHER IT WILL BE A SON OR A DAUGHTER? WHICH SHALL BE HEIR OF TWO MALE-TWINS, WHO BY THE DISSECTION OF THE MOTHER, WERE LAID OPEN TO THE WORLD? WHETHER A SISTER BY THE HALF BLOOD, BEFORE A BROTHERS DAUGHTER BY THE WHOLE BLOOD?

§ 124. THESE, AND MANY MORE SUCH DOUBTS, MIGHT BE PROPOSED ABOUT THE TITLES OF SUCCESSION, AND THE RIGHT OF INHERITANCE; AND THAT NOT AS IDLE SPECULATIONS, BUT SUCH AS IN HISTORY WE SHALL FIND, HAVE CONCERNED THE INHERITANCE OF CROWNS AND KINGDOMS; AND IF OURS WANT THEM, WE NEED NOT GO FARTHER FOR FAMOUS EXAMPLES OF IT, THAN THE OTHER KINGDOM IN THIS VERY ISLAND, WHICH HAVING BEEN FULLY RELATED BY THE INGENIOUS AND LEARNED AUTHOR OF PATRIARCHA NON MONARCHA, I NEED SAY NO MORE OF. TILL OUR A. HATH RESOLVED ALL THE DOUBTS THAT MAY ARISE ABOUT THE NEXT HEIR, AND SHEWED THAT THEY ARE PLAINLY DETERMIN'D BY THE LAW OF NATURE, OR THE REVEALED LAW OF GOD, ALL HIS SUPPOSITIONS OF A MONARCHICAL, ABSOLUTE, SUPREME, PATERNAL POWER IN ADAM, AND THE DESCENT OF THAT POWER TO HIS HEIRS, WOULD NOT BE OF THE LEAST USE TO ESTABLISH THE AUTHORITY, OR MAKE OUT THE TITLE OF ANY ONE PRINCE NOW ON EARTH, BUT WOULD RATHER UNSETTLE AND BRING ALL INTO QUESTION: FOR LET OUR A. TELL US AS LONG AS HE PLEASE, AND LET ALL MEN BELIEVE IT TOO, THAT ADAM HAD A PATERNAL, AND THEREBY A MONARCHICAL POWER; THAT THIS (THE ONLY POWER IN THE WORLD) DESCENDED TO HIS HEIRS, AND THAT THERE IS NO OTHER POWER IN THE WORLD BUT THIS: LET THIS BE ALL AS CLEAR DEMONSTRATION, AS IT IS MANIFEST ERROR, YET IF IT BE NOT PAST DOUBT, TO WHOM THIS PATERNAL POWER DESCENDS, AND WHOSE NOW IT IS, NO BODY CAN BE UNDER ANY OBLIGATION OF OBEDIENCE, UNLESS ANY ONE WILL SAY, THAT I AM BOUND TO PAY OBEDIENCE TO PATERNAL POWER IN A MAN, WHO HAS NO MORE PATERNAL POWER THAN I MY SELF; WHICH IS ALL ONE AS TO SAY, I OBEY A MAN, BECAUSE HE HAS A RIGHT TO GOVERN, AND IF I BE ASKED, HOW I KNOW HE HAS A RIGHT TO GOVERN, I SHOULD ANSWER, IT CANNOT BE KNOWN, THAT HE HAS 'ANY AT ALL. FOR THAT CANNOT BE THE REASON OF MY OBEDIENCE, WHICH I KNOW NOT TO BE SO; MUCH LESS CAN THAT BE A REASON OF MY OBEDIENCE, WHICH NO BODY AT ALL CAN KNOW TO BE SO.

§ 125. AND THEREFORE ALL THIS ADO ABOUT ADAM'S FATHERHOOD, THE GREATNESS OF ITS POWER, AND THE NECESSITY OF ITS SUPPOSAL, HELPS NOTHING TO ESTABLISH THE POWER OF THOSE THAT GOVERN, OR TO DETERMINE THE OBEDIENCE OF SUBJECTS, WHO ARE TO OBEY, IF THEY CANNOT TELL WHOM THEY ARE TO OBEY, OR IT CANNOT BE KNOWN WHO ARE TO GOVERN, AND WHO TO OBEY. IN THE STATE THE WORLD NOW IS, IRRECOVERABLY IGNORANT WHO IS ADAM'S HEIR, THIS FATHERHOOD, THIS MONARCHICAL POWER OF ADAM DESCENDING TO HIS HEIRS, WOULD BE OF NO MORE USE TO THE GOVERNMENT OF MANKIND, THAN IT WOULD BE TO THE QUIETING OF MENS CONSCIENCES, OR SECURING THEIR HEALTHS, IF OUR A. HAD ASSURED THEM, THAT ADAM HAD A POWER TO FORGIVE SINS OR CURE DISEASES, WHICH BY DIVINE INSTITUTION DESCENDED TO HIS HEIR, WHILST THIS HEIR IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE KNOWN. AND SHOULD NOT HE DO AS RATIONALLY, WHO UPON THIS ASSURANCE OF OUR A. WENT AND CONFESSED HIS SINS, AND EXPECTED A GOOD ABSOLUTION, OR TOOK PHYSICK WITH EXPECTATION OF HEALTH FROM ANY ONE WHO HAD TAKEN ON HIMSELF THE NAME OF PRIEST OR PHYSICIAN, OR THRUST HIMSELF INTO THOSE EMPLOYMENTS, SAYING; I ACQUIESCE IN THE ABSOLVING POWER DESCENDING FROM ADAM, OR I SHALL BE CURED BY THE MEDICINAL POWER DESCENDING FROM ADAM; AS HE WHO SAYS, I SUBMIT TO, AND OBEY THE PATERNAL POWER DESCENDING FROM ADAM, WHEN 'TIS CONFESSED ALL THESE POWERS DESCEND ONLY TO HIS SINGLE HEIR, AND THAT HEIR IS UNKNOWN.

§ 126. 'TIS TRUE, THE CIVIL LAWYERS HAVE PRETENDED TO DETERMINE SOME OF THESE CASES CONCERNING THE SUCCESSION OF PRINCES; BUT BY OUR A'S PRINCIPLES, THEY HAVE MEDLED IN A MATTER THAT BELONGS NOT TO THEM: FOR IF ALL POLITICAL POWER BE DERIVED ONLY, FROM ADAM, AND BE TO DESCEND ONLY TO HIS SUCCESSIVE HEIRS, BY THE ORDINANCE OF GOD AND DIVINE INSTITUTION, THIS IS A RIGHT ANTECEDENT AND PARAMOUNT TO ALL GOVERNMENT; AND THEREFORE THE POSITIVE LAWS OF MEN, CANNOT DETERMINE THAT WHICH IS IT SELF THE FOUNDATION OF ALL LAW AND GOVERNMENT, AND IS TO RECEIVE ITS RULE ONLY FROM THE LAW OF GOD AND NATURE. AND THAT BEING SILENT IN THE CASE, I AM APT TO THINK THERE IS NO SUCH RIGHT TO BE CONVEYED THIS WAY: I AM SURE IT WOULD BE TO NO PURPOSE IF THERE WERE, AND MEN WOULD BE MORE AT A LOSS CONCERNING GOVERNMENT AND OBEDIENCE TO GOVERNOURS, THEN IF THERE WERE NO SUCH RIGHT: SINCE BY POSITIVE LAWS AND COMPACT, WHICH DIVINE INSTITUTION (IF THERE BE ANY) SHUTS OUT, ALL THESE ENDLESS INEXTRICABLE DOUBTS, CAN BE SAFELY PROVIDED AGAINST; BUT IT CAN NEVER BE UNDERSTOOD, HOW A DIVINE NATURAL RIGHT, AND THAT OF SUCH MOMENT AS IS ALL ORDER AND PEACE IN THE WORLD, SHOULD BE CONVEYED DOWN TO POSTERITY, WITHOUT ANY PLAIN NATURAL OR DIVINE RULE CONCERNING IT. AND THERE WOULD BE AN END OF ALL CIVIL GOVERNMENT, IF THE ASSIGNMENT OF CIVIL POWER WERE BY DIVINE INSTITUTION TO THE HEIR, AND YET BY THAT DIVINE INSTITUTION, THE PERSON OF THE HEIR COULD NOT BE KNOWN. THIS PATERNAL REGAL POWER, BEING BY DIVINE RIGHT ONLY HIS, IT LEAVES NO ROOM FOR HUMANE PRUDENCE, OR- CONSENT TO PLACE IT ANY WHERE ELSE: FOR IF ONLY ONE MAN HATH A DIVINE RIGHT TO THE OBEDIENCE OF MANKIND, NO BODY CAN CLAIM THAT OBEDIENCE, BUT HE THAT CAN SHEW THAT RIGHT; NOR CAN MENS CONSCIENCES BY ANY OTHER PRETENCE BE OBLIGED TO IT. AND THUS THIS DOCTRINE CUTS UP ALL GOVERNMENT BY THE ROOTS.

§ 127. THUS WE SEE HOW OUR A. LAYING IT FOR A SURE FOUNDATION, THAT THE VERY PERSON THAT IS TO RULE, IS THE ORDINANCE OF GOD, AND BY DIVINE INSTITUTION, TELLS US AT LARGE, ONLY THAT THIS PERSON IS THE HEIR, BUT WHO THIS HEIR IS, HE LEAVES US TO GUESS; AND SO THIS DIVINE INSTITUTION WHICH ASSIGNS IT TO A PERSON, WHOM WE HAVE NO RULE TO KNOW, IS JUST AS GOOD AS AN ASSIGNMENT TO NO BODY AT ALL. BUT WHATEVER OUR A. DOES, DIVINE INSTITUTION MAKES NO SUCH RIDICULOUS ASSIGNMENTS: NOR CAN GOD BE SUPPOSED TO MAKE IT A SACRED LAW, THAT ONE CERTAIN PERSON SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO SOMETHING, AND YET NOT TO GIVE RULES TO MARK OUT, AND KNOW THAT PERSON BY, OR GIVE AN HEIR A DIVINE RIGHT TO POWER, AND YET NOT POINT OUT WHO THAT HEIR IS. 'TIS RATHER TO BE THOUGHT, THAT AN HEIR, HAD NO SUCH RIGHT BY DIVINE INSTITUTION, THAN THAT GOD SHOULD GIVE SUCH A RIGHT TO THE HEIR, BUT YET LEAVE IT, DOUBTFUL, AND UNDETERMINABLE WHO SUCH HEIR IS.

§ 128. IF GOD HAD GIVEN THE LAND OF CANAAN TO ABRAHAM, AND IN GENERAL TERMS TO SOME BODY AFTER HIM, WITHOUT NAMING HIS SEED, WHEREBY IT MIGHT BE KNOWN, WHO THAT SOMEBODY WAS, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AS GOOD AND USEFUL AN ASSIGNMENT, TO DETERMINE THE RIGHT TO THE LAND OF CANAAN, AS IT WOULD TO THE DETERMINING THE RIGHT OF CROWNS, TO GIVE EMPIRE TO ADAM AND HIS SUCCESSIVE HEIRS AFTER HIM, WITHOUT TELLING WHO HIS HEIR IS: FOR THE WORD HEIR, WITHOUT A RULE TO KNOW WHO IT IS, SIGNIFIES NO MORE THAN SOMEBODY, I KNOW NOT WHOM. GOD MAKING IT A DIVINE INSTITUTION, THAT MEN SHOULD NOT MARRY THOSE WHO WERE NEAR OF KIN, THINKS IT NOT ENOUGH TO SAY, NONE OF YOU SHALL APPROACH TO ANY THAT IS NEAR OF KIN TO HIM, TO UNCOVER THEIR NAKEDNESS: BUT MOREOVER, GIVES RULES TO KNOW WHO ARE THOSE NEAR OF KIN, FORBIDDEN BY DIVINE INSTITUTION, OR ELSE THAT LAW WOULD HAVE BEEN OF NO USE: IT BEING TO NO PURPOSE TO LAY RESTRAINT, OR GIVE PRIVILEGES, TO MEN, IN SUCH GENERAL TERMS, AS THE PARTICULAR PERSON CONCERN'D CANNOT BE KNOWN BY. BUT GOD NOT HAVING ANY WHERE SAID, THE NEXT HEIR SHALL INHERIT ALL HIS FATHERS ESTATE OR DOMINION, WE ARE NOT TO WONDER THAT HE BATH NO WHERE APPOINTED WHO THAT HEIR SHOULD BE, FOR NEVER HAVING INTENDED ANY SUCH THING, NEVER DESIGNED ANY HEIR IN THAT SENSE, WE CANNOT EXPECT HE SHOULD ANY WHERE NOMINATE, OR APPOINT ANY PERSON TO IT, AS WE MIGHT, HAD IT BEEN OTHERWISE. AND THEREFORE IN SCRIPTURE, THOUGH THE WORD HEIR OCCUR, YET THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HEIR IN OUR A'S SENSE, ONE THAT WAS BY RIGHT OF NATURE TO INHERIT ALL THAT HIS FATHER HAD, EXCLUSIVE OF HIS BRETHREN. HENCE SARAH SUPPOSES, THAT IF ISHMAEL STAID IN THE HOUSE, TO SHARE IN ABRAHAMS ESTATE AFTER HIS DEATH, THIS SON OF A BOND WOMAN MIGHT BE HEIR WITH ISAAC: AND THEREFORE, SAYS SHE, CAST OUT THIS BOND-WOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THIS BOND-WOMAN SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH MY SON; BUT THIS CANNOT EXCUSE OUR A—, WHO TELLING US THERE IS IN EVERY NUMBER OF MEN, - ONE WHO IS RIGHT AND NEXT HEIR TO ADAM, OUGHT TO HAVE TOLD US WHAT THE LAWS OF DESCENT ARE. HE HAVING BEEN SO SPARING TO INSTRUCT US BY RULES, HOW TO KNOW WHO IS HEIR, LET US SEE IN THE NEXT PLACE, WHAT HIS HISTORY OUT OF SCRIPTURE, ON WHICH HE PRETENDS WHOLLY TO BUILD HIS GOVERNMENT, GIVES US IN THIS NECESSARY AND FUNDAMENTAL POINT.

§ 129. OUR A. TO MAKE GOOD THE TITLE OF HIS BOOK, P. 13. BEGINS THE HISTORY OF THE DESCENT OF ADAMS REGAL POWER, P. 13.-IN THESE WORDS: THIS LORDSHIP WHICH ADAM BY COMMAND HAD OVER THE WHOLE WORLD, AND BY RIGHT DESCENDING FROM HIM, THE PATRIARCHS DID ENJOY WAS AS LARGE, &C. HOW DOES HE PROVE THAT THE PATRIARCHS BY DESCENT DID ENJOY IT? FOR DOMINION OF LIFE AND DEATH, SAYS HE, WE FIND JUDAH THE FATHER PRONOUNCED SENTENCE OF DEATH AGAINST THAMAR HIS DAUGHTER-IN-LAW FOR PLAYING THE HARLOT, P. 13. HOW DOES THIS PROVE THAT JUDAH HAD ABSOLUTE AND SOVEREIGN AUTHORITY, HE PRONOUNCED SENTENCE OF DEATH? THE PRONOUNCING OF SENTENCE OF DEATH IS NOT A CERTAIN MARK OF SOVEREIGNTY, BUT USUALLY THE OFFICE OF INFERIOR MAGISTRATES. THE POWER OF MAKING LAWS OF LIFE AND DEATH, IS INDEED A MARK OF SOVEREIGNTY, BUT PRONOUNCING THE SENTENCE ACCORDING TO THOSE LAWS MAY BE DONE BY OTHERS, AND THEREFORE THIS WILL BUT ILL PROVE THAT HE HAD SOVEREIGN AUTHORITY: AS IF ONE SHOULD SAY, JUDGE JEFFERIES, PRONOUNCED SENTENCE OF DEATH IN THE LATE TIMES, THEREFORE JUDGE JEFFERIES, HAD SOVEREIGN AUTHORITY: BUT IT WILL BE SAID, JUDAH DID IT NOT BY COMMISSION FROM ANOTHER, AND THEREFORE DID IT IN HIS OWN RIGHT. WHO KNOWS WHETHER HE HAD ANY RIGHT AT ALL? HEAT OF PASSION MIGHT CARRY HIM TO DO THAT WHICH HE HAD NO AUTHORITY TO DO. JUDAH HAD DOMINION OF LIFE AND DEATH, HOW DOES THAT APPEAR? HE EXERCISED IT, HE PRONOUNCED SENTENCE OF DEATH AGAINST THAMAR, OUR A THINKS IT IS VERY GOOD PROOF, THAT BECAUSE HE DID IT, THEREFORE HE HAD A RIGHT TO DO IT; HE LAY WITH HER ALSO: BY THE SAME WAY OF PROOF, HE HAD A RIGHT TO DO THAT TOO: IF THE CONSEQUENCE BE GOOD FROM DOING TO A RIGHT OF DOING. ABSALON TOO MAY BE RECKON'D AMONGST OUR A—'S SOVEREIGNS, FOR HE PRONOUNCED SUCH A SENTENCE OF DEATH AGAINST HIS BROTHER AMNON, AND MUCH UPON A LIKE OCCASION, AND HAD IT EXECUTED TOO; IF THAT BE SUFFICIENT TO PROVE A DOMINION OF LIFE AND DEATH. BUT ALLOWING THIS ALL TO BE CLEAR DEMONSTRATION OF SOVEREIGN POWER, WHO WAS IT THAT HAD THIS LORDSHIP BY RIGHT DESCENDING TO HIM FROM ADAM, AS LARGE AND AMPLE AS THE ABSOLUTEST DOMINION OF ANY MONARCH? JUDAH, SAYS OUR A—, JUDAH A YOUNGER SON OF JACOB, HIS FATHER AND ELDER BRETHREN LIVING: SO THAT IF OUR A—'S OWN PROOF BE TO BE TAKEN, A YOUNGER BROTHER MAY IN THE LIFE OF HIS FATHER AND ELDER. BROTHERS, BY RIGHT OF DESCENT, ENJOY ADAMS MONARCHICAL POWER; AND IF ONE SO QUALIFIED MAY BE MONARCH BY DESCENT, WHY MAY NOT EVERY MAN? IF JUDAH, HIS FATHER AND ELDER BROTHER LIVING WERE ONE OF ADAMS HEIRS, I KNOW NOT WHO CAN BE EXCLUDED FROM THIS INHERITANCE; ALL MEN BY INHERITANCE MAY BE MONARCHS AS WELL AS JUDAH.

§ 130. TOUCHING WAR, WE SEE THAT ABRAHAM COMMANDED AN ARMY OF 318 SOULDIERS OF HIS OWN FAMILY, AND ESAU MET HIS BROTHER JACOB WITH 400 MEN AT ARMS, FOR MATTER OF PEACE; ABRAHAM MADE A LEAGUE WITH ABIMILECH, &C. P. 13. IS IT NOT POSSIBLE FOR A MAN TO HAVE 318 MEN IN HIS FAMILY, WITHOUT BEING HEIR TO ADAM? A PLANTER IN THE WEST INDIES HAS MORE, AND MIGHT, IF HE PLEASED (WHO DOUBTS) MUSTER THEM UP AND LEAD THEM OUT AGAINST THE INDIANS, TO SEEK REPARATION UPON ANY INJURY RECEIVED FROM THEM, AND ALL THIS WITHOUT THE ABSOLUTE DOMINION OF A MONARCH, DESCENDING TO HIM FROM ADAM. WOULD IT NOT BE AN ADMIRABLE ARGUMENT TO PROVE, THAT ALL POWER BY GODS INSTITUTION DESCENDED FROM ADAM BY INHERITANCE, AND THAT THE VERY PERSON AND POWER OF THIS PLANTER WERE THE ORDINANCE OF GOD, BECAUSE HE HAD POWER IN HIS FAMILY OVER SERVANTS, BORN IN HIS HOUSE, AND BOUGHT WITH HIS MONEY? FOR THIS WAS JUST ABRAHAMS CASE: THOSE WHO WERE RICH IN THE PATRIARCHS DAYS, AS IN THE WEST-INDIES NOW, BOUGHT MEN AND MAID SERVANTS, AND BY THEIR INCREASE AS WELL AS PURCHASING OF NEW, CAME TO HAVE LARGE AND NUMEROUS FAMILIES, WHICH THOUGH THEY MADE USE OF IN WAR OR PEACE, CAN IT BE THOUGHT THE POWER THEY HAD OVER THEM WAS AN INHERITANCE DESCENDED FROM ADAM, WHEN 'TWAS THE PURCHASE OF THEIR MONEY? A MANS RIDING IN AN EXPEDITION AGAINST AN ENEMY, HIS HORSE BOUGHT IN A FAIR, WOULD BE AS GOOD A PROOF THAT THE OWNER ENJOYED THE LORDSHIP WHICH ADAM BY COMMAND HAD OVER THE WHOLE WORLD, BY RIGHT DESCENDING TO HIM, AS ABRAHAMS LEADING OUT THE SERVANTS OF HIS FAMILY IS, THAT THE PATRIARCHS ENJOY'D THIS-LORDSHIP BY DESCENT FROM ADAM: SINCE THE TITLE TO THE POWER, THE MASTER HAD IN BOTH CASES, WHETHER OVER SLAVES OR HORSES, WAS ONLY FROM HIS PURCHASE; AND THE GETTING A DOMINION OVER ANY THING BY BARGAIN AND MONEY, IS A NEW WAY OF PROVING ONE HAD IT BY DESCENT AND INHERITANCE.

§ 131. BUT MAKING WAR AND PEACE ARE MARKS OF SOVEREIGNTY. LET IT BE SO IN POLITICK SOCIETIES. MAY NOT THEREFORE A MAN IN THE WEST-INDIES, WHO HATH WITH HIM SONS OF HIS OWN, FRIENDS, OR COMPANIONS, SOLDIERS UNDER PAY, OR SLAVES BOUGHT WITH MONEY, OR PERHAPS . A BAND MADE UP OF ALL THESE, MAKE WAR AND PEACE, IF THERE SHOULD BE OCCASION, AND RATIFIE THE ARTICLES TOO WITH AN OATH, WITHOUT BEING A SOVEREIGN, AN ABSOLUTE KING OVER THOSE WHO WENT WITH HIM? HE THAT SAYS HE CANNOT, MUST THEN ALLOW MANY MASTERS OF SHIPS, MANY PRIVATE PLANTERS TO BE ABSOLUTE MONARCHS, FOR AS MUCH AS THIS THEY HAVE DONE. WAR AND PEACE CANNOT BE MADE FOR POLITICK SOCIETIES, BUT BY THE SUPREAM POWER OF SUCH SOCIETIES; BECAUSE WAR AND PEACE, GIVING A DIFFERENT MOTION TO THE FORCE OF SUCH A POLITICK BODY, NONE CAN MAKE WAR OR PEACE, BUT THAT WHICH HAS THE DIRECTION OF THE FORCE OF THE WHOLE BODY, AND THAT IN POLITICK SOCIETIES IS ONLY THE SUPREAM POWER. IN VOLUNTARY SOCIETIES FOR THE TIME, HE THAT HAS SUCH A POWER BY CONSENT, MAY MAKE WAR AND PEACE, AND SO MAY A SINGLE MAN FOR HIMSELF, THE STATE OF WAR NOT CONSISTING IN THE NUMBER OF PARTYSANS, BUT THE ENMITY OF THE PARTIES, WHERE THEY HAVE NO SUPERIOUR TO APPEAL TO.

§ 132. THE ACTUAL MAKING OF WAR OR PEACE IS NO PROOF OF ANY OTHER POWER, BUT ONLY OF DISPOSING THOSE TO EXERCISE OR CEASE ACTS OF ENMITY FOR WHOM HE MAKES IT, AND THIS POWER IN MANY CASES ANY ONE MAY HAVE WITHOUT ANY POLITICK SUPREMACY. AND THEREFORE THE MAKING OF WAR OR PEACE WILL NOT PROVE THAT EVERY ONE THAT DOES SO IS A POLITICK RULER, MUCH LESS KING; FOR THEN COMMONWEALTHS MUST BE KINGS TOO, FOR THEY DO AS CERTAINLY MAKE WAR AND PEACE AS MONARCHICAL GOVERNMENT.

§ 133. BUT GRANTING THIS A MARK OF SOVEREIGNTY IN ABRAHAM, IS IT A PROOF OF THE DESCENT TO HIM, OF ADAM'S SOVEREIGNTY OVER THE WHOLE WORLD? IF IT BE, IT WILL SURELY BE AS GOOD A PROOF OF THE DESCENT OF ADAM'S LORDSHIP TO OTHERS TOO. AND THEN COMMON-WEALTHS, AS WELL AS ABRAHAM, WILL BE HEIRS OF ADAM, FOR THEY MAKE WAR AND PEACE, AS WELL AS HE. IF YOU SAY, THAT THE LORDSHIP OF ADAM DOTH NOT BY RIGHT DESCEND TO COMMON-WEALTHS, THOUGH THEY MAKE WAR AND PEACE, THE SAME SAY I OF ABRAHAM, AND THEN THERE IS AN END OF YOUR ARGUMENT; IF YOUR STAND TO YOUR ARGUMENT, AND SAY THOSE THAT DO MAKE WAR AND PEACE, AS COMMON-WEALTHS DO WITHOUT DOUBT, DO INHERIT ADAM'S LORDSHIP, THERE IS AN END OF YOUR MONARCHY, UNLESS YOU WILL SAY, THAT COMMON-WEALTHS BY DESCENT ENJOYING ADAM'S LORDSHIP ARE MONARCHIES, AND THAT INDEED WOULD BE A NEW WAY OF MAKING ALL THE GOVERNMENTS IN THE WORLD MONARCHICAL.

§ 134. TO GIVE OUR A. THE HONOUR OF THIS NEW INVENTION, FOR I CONFESS IT IS NOT I HAVE FIRST FOUND IT OUT BY TRACING HIS PRINCIPLES, AND SO CHARGED IT ON HIM, 'TIS FIT MY READERS KNOW THAT (AS ABSURD AS IT MAY SEEM) HE TEACHES IT HIMSELF, P. 23. WHERE HE INGENIOUSLY SAYS, IN ALL KINGDOMS AND COMMON-WEALTHS IN THE WORLD, WHETHER THE PRINCE BE THE SUPREAM FATHER OF THE PEOPLE, OR BUT THE TRUE HEIR TO SUCH A FATHER, OR COME TO THE CROWN BY USURPATION OR ELECTION, OR WHETHER SOME FEW OR A MULTITUDE GOVERN THE COMMON-WEALTH: YET STILL THE AUTHORITY THAT IS IN ANY ONE, OR IN MANY, OR IN ALL THESE IS THE ONLY RIGHT, AND NATURAL AUTHORITY OF A SUPREAM FATHER, WHICH RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD HE OFTEN TELLS US, IS REGAL AND ROYAL AUTHORITY; AS PARTICULARLY, P. 12. THE PAGE IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING THIS INSTANCE OF ABRAHAM. THIS REGAL AUTHORITY, HE SAYS, THOSE THAT GOVERN COMMON-WEALTHS HAVE: AND IF IT BE TRUE, THAT REGAL AND ROYAL AUTHORITY BE IN THOSE THAT GOVERN COMMONWEALTHS, IT IS AS TRUE, THAT COMMON-WEALTHS ARE GOVERN'D BY KINGS: FOR IF REGAL AUTHORITY BE IN HIM THAT GOVERNS, BE THAT GOVERNS MUST NEEDS BE A KING, AND SO ALL COMMON-WEALTHS ARE NOTHING BUT DOWN-RIGHT MONARCHIES,_ AND THEN WHAT NEED ANY MORE ADO ABOUT THE MATTER? THE GOVERNMENTS OF THE WORLD ARE AS THEY SHOULD BE, THERE IS NOTHING BUT MONARCHY IN IT. THIS WITHOUT DOUBT, WAS THE SUREST WAY OUR A. COULD HAVE FOUND, TO TURN ALL OTHER GOVERNMENTS, BUT MONARCHICAL, OUT OF THE WORLD.

§ 135. BUT ALL THIS SCARCE PROVES ABRAHAM, TO HAVE BEEN A KING AS HEIR TO ADAM. IF BY INHERITANCE HE HAD BEEN KING, LOT, WHO WAS OF THE SAME FAMILY, MUST NEEDS HAVE BEEN HIS SUBJECT, BY THAT TITLE BEFORE THE SERVANTS IN HIS FAMILY: BUT WE SEE THEY LIV'D AS FRIENDS AND EQUALS, AND WHEN THEIR HERDSMEN COULD NOT AGREE, THERE WAS NO PRETENCE OF JURISDICTION OR SUPERIORITY BETWEEN THEM, BUT THEY PARTED BY CONSENT, GEN. 13, HENCE HE IS CALLED BOTH BY ABRAHAM, AND BY THE TEXT ABRAHAM'S BROTHER, THE NAME OF FRIENDSHIP AND EQUALITY, AND NOT OF JURISDICTION AND AUTHORITY, THOUGH HE WERE REALLY BUT HIS NEPHEW. AND IF OUR A. KNOWS THAT ABRAHAM WAS ADAM'S HEIR, AND A KING, 'TWAS MORE IT SEEMS THEN ABRAHAM HIMSELF KNEW, OR HIS SERVANT WHOM HE SENT A WOOING FOR HIS SON; FOR WHEN HE SETS OUT THE ADVANTAGES OF THE MATCH, 24 GEN. 35. THEREBY TO PREVAIL WITH THE YOUNG-WOMAN AND HER FRIENDS, HE SAYS, I AM ABRAHAMS SERVANT, AND THE LORD HATH BLESSED MY MASTER GREATLY, AND HE IS BECOME GREAT, AND HE HATH GIVEN HIM FLOCKS AND HERDS AND SILVER AND GOLD, AND MEN-SERVANTS AND MAID-SERVANTS, AND CAMELS AND ASSES, AND SARAH MY MASTERS WIFE, BARE A SON TO MY MASTER WHEN SHE WAS OLD AND UNTO HIM HE HATH GIVEN ALL HE BATH. CAN ONE THINK THAT A DISCREET SERVANT, THAT WAS THUS PARTICULAR TO SET OUT HIS MASTER'S GREATNESS, WOULD HAVE OMITTED THE CROWN ISAAC WAS TO HAVE, IF HE HAD KNOWN OF ANY SUCH? CAN IT BE IMAGIN'D HE SHOULD HAVE NEGLECTED TO HAVE TOLD THEM ON SUCH AN OCCASION AS THIS THAT ABRAHAM WAS A KING, A NAME WELL KNOWN AT THAT TIME, FOR HE HAD NINE OF THEM HIS NEIGHBOURS, IF HE OR HIS MASTER HAD THOUGHT ANY SUCH THING, THE LIKELIEST MATTER OF ALL THE REST, TO MAKE HIS ERRAND SUCCESSFUL?

§ 136. BUT THIS DISCOVERY IT SEEMS WAS RESERVED FOR OUR A. TO MAKE 2 OR 3000 YEARS AFTER, AND LET HIM IN'OY THE CREDIT OF IT, ONLY HE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN CARE THAT SOME OF ADAM'S LAND SHOULD HAVE DESCENDED TO THIS HIS HEIR, AS WELL AS ALL ADAM'S LORDSHIP, FOR THOUGH HIS LORDSHIP WHICH ABRAHAM P WHICH (IF WE MAY BELIEVE OUR A.) AS WELL AS THE OTHER PATRIARCHS, BY RIGHT DESCENDING TO HIM DID ENJOY, WAS AS LARGE AND AMPLE AS THE ABSOLUTEST DOMINION OF ANY MONARCH WHICH HATH BEEN SINCE THE CREATION. YET HIS ESTATE, HIS TERRITORIES, HIS DOMINIONS WERE VERY NARROW AND SCANTY, FOR HE HAD NOT THE POSSESSION OF A FOOT OF LAND, TILL HE BOUGHT A FIELD AND A CAVE OF THE SONS OF HETH TO BURY SARAH IN.

§ 137. THE INSTANCE OF ESAU JOYN'D WITH THIS OF ABRAHAM, TO PROVE THAT THE LORDSHIP WHICH ADAM HAD OVER THE WHOLE WORLD, BY RIGHT DESCENDING FROM HIM, THE PATRIARCHS DID ENJOY, IS YET MORE PLEASANT THEN THE FORMER: ESAU MET HIS BROTHER JACOB WITH 400 MEN AT ARMS; HE THEREFORE WAS A KING BY RIGHT OF HEIR TO ADAM. 400 ARM'D MEN THEN HOWEVER GOT TOGETHER ARE ENOUGH TO PROVE HIM THAT LEADS THEM TO BE A KING AND ADAM'S HEIR. THERE HAVE BEEN TORIES IN IRELAND, (WHATEVER THERE ARE IN OTHER COUNTRIES) WHO WOULD HAVE THANKT OUR A. FOR SO HONOURABLE AN OPINION OF THEM, ESPECIALLY IF THERE HAD BEEN NO BODY NEAR WITH A BETTER TITLE OF 500 ARMED MEN, TO QUESTION THEIR ROYAL AUTHORITY OF 400. 'TIS A SHAME FOR MEN TO TRIFLE SO, TO SAY NO WORSE OF IT, IN SO SERIOUS AN ARGUMENT. HERE ESAU IS BROUGHT AS A PROOF THAT ADAM'S LORDSHIP, ADAM'S ABSOLUTE DOMINION, AS LARGE AS THAT OF ANY MONARCH DESCENDED BY RIGHT TO THE PATRIARCHS, AND IN THIS VERY CHAP. P. 19. JACOB IS BROUGHT AS AN INSTANCE OF ONE, THAT BY BIRTH-RIGHT WAS LORD OVER HIS BRETHREN. SO WE HAVE HERE TWO BROTHERS ABSOLUTE MONARCHS BY THE SAME TITLE, AND AT THE SAME TIME HEIRS TO ADAM: THE ELDEST HEIR TO ADAM, BECAUSE HE MET HIS BROTHER WITH 400 MEN, AND THE YOUNGEST HEIR TO ADAM BY BIRTH-RIGHT. ESAU INJOY'D THE LORDSHIP WHICH ADAM HAD OVER THE WHOLE WORLD BY RIGHT DESCENDING TO HIM, IN AS LARGE AND AMPLE MANNER, AS THE ABSOLUTEST DOMINION OF ANY MONARCH, AND AT THE SAME TIME, JACOB LORD OVER HIM, BY THE RIGHT HEIRS HAVE TO BE LORDS OVER THEIR BRETHREN. RISUM TENEATIS? I NEVER, I CONFESS, MET WITH ANY MAN OF PARTS SO DEXTEROUS AS SIR ROBERT AT THIS WAY OF ARGUING: BUT 'TWAS HIS MISFORTUNE TO LIGHT UPON AN HYPOTHESIS THAT COULD NOT BE ACCOMMODATED TO THE NATURE OF THINGS, AND HUMAN AFFAIRS, HIS PRINCIPLES COULD NOT BE MADE TO AGREE WITH THAT CONSTITUTION AND ORDER WHICH GOD HAD SETTLED IN THE WORLD, AND THEREFORE MUST NEEDS OFTEN CLASH WITH COMMON SENSE AND EXPERIENCE.

§ 138. IN THE NEXT SECTION, HE TELLS US, THIS PATRIARCHAL POWER CONTINUED NOT ONLY TILL THE FLOOD, BUT AFTER IT, AS THE NAME PATRIARCHS DOTH IN PART PROVE. THE WORD PATRIARCH DOTH MORE THEN IN PART PROVE, THAT PATRIARCHAL POWER CONTINUED IN THE WORLD AS LONG AS THERE WERE PATRIARCHS, FOR 'TIS NECESSARY THAT PATRIARCHAL POWER SHOULD BE WHILST THERE ARE PATRIARCHS, AS IT IS NECESSARY THERE SHOULD BE PATERNAL OR CONJUGAL POWER WHILST THERE ARE FATHERS OR HUSBANDS: BUT THIS IS BUT PLAYING WITH NAMES. THAT WHICH HE WOULD FALLACIOUSLY INSINUATE IS THE THING IN QUESTION TO BE PROVED, VIZ. THAT THE LORDSHIP WHICH ADAM HAD OVER THE WORLD, THE SUPPOSED ABSOLUTE UNIVERSAL DOMINION OF ADAM BY RIGHT DESCENDING FROM HIM THE PATRIARCHS DID ENJOY. IF HE AFFIRMS SUCH AN ABSOLUTE MONARCHY CONTINUED TO THE FLOOD, IN THE WORLD, I WOULD BE GLAD TO KNOW WHAT RECORDS HE HAS IT FROM; FOR I CONFESS I CANNOT FIND A WORD OF IT IN MY BIBLE: IF BY PATRIARCHAL POWER, HE MEANS ANY THING ELSE, IT IS NOTHING TO THE MATTER IN HAND: AND HOW THE NAME PATRIARCH IN SOME PART PROVES, THAT THOSE, WHO ARE CALLED BY THAT NAME, HAD ABSOLUTE MONARCHICAL POWER, I CONFESS, I DO NOT SEE, AND THEREFORE I THINK NEEDS NO ANSWER, TILL THE ARGUMENT FROM IT BE MADE OUT A LITTLE CLEARER.

§ 139. THE THREE SONS OF NOAH HAD THE WORLD, SAYS OUR A., DIVIDED AMONGST THEM BY THEIR FATHER, FOR OF THEM WAS THE WHOLE WORLD OVERSPREAD, P. 14. THE WORLD MIGHT BE OVERSPREAD BY THE OFF-SPRING OF NOAH'S SONS, THOUGH HE NEVER DIVIDED THE WORLD AMONGST THEM; FOR THE EARTH MIGHT BE REPLENISHED WITHOUT BEING DIVIDED, SO THAT ALL OUR A—'S ARGUMENT HERE, PROVES NO SUCH DIVISION. HOWEVER I ALLOW IT TO HIM, AND THEN ASK, THE WORLD BEING DIVIDED AMONGST THEM, WHICH OF THE THREE WAS ADAM'S HEIR? IF ADAM'S LORDSHIP, ADAM'S MONARCHY, BY RIGHT DESCENDED ONLY TO THE ELDEST, THEN THE OTHER TWO COULD BE BUT HIS SUBJECTS, HIS SLAVES; IF BY RIGHT IT DESCENDED TO ALL THREE BROTHERS, BY THE SAME RIGHT, IT WILL DESCEND TO ALL MANKIND, AND THEN IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE WHAT HE SAYS, P. 19. THAT HEIRS ARE LORDS OF THEIR BRETHREN, SHOULD BE TRUE, BUT ALL BROTHERS, AND CONSEQUENTLY ALL MEN WILL BE EQUAL AND INDEPENDENT, ALL HEIRS TO ADAM'S MONARCHY, AND CONSEQUENTLY ALL MONARCHS TOO, ONE AS MUCH AS ANOTHER. BUT 'TWILL BE SAID NOAH THEIR FATHER DIVIDED THE WORLD AMONGST THEM, SO THAT OUR A. WILL ALLOW MORE TO NOAH, THAN HE WILL TO GOD ALMIGHTY, FOR O. 211. HE THOUGHT IT HARD, THAT GOD HIMSELF SHOULD GIVE THE WORLD TO NOAH AND, HIS SONS, TO THE PREJUDICE OF NOAH'S BIRTH-RIGHT, HIS WORDS ARE, NOAH WAS LEFT SOLE HEIR TO THE WORLD, WHY SHOULD IT BE THOUGHT THAT GOD WOULD DISINHERIT HIM OF HIS BIRTH-RIGHT, AND MAKE HIM OF ALL MEN IN THE WORLD, THE ONLY TENANT IN COMMON WITH HIS CHILDREN? AND YET HERE HE THINKS IT FIT, THAT NOAH SHOULD DISINHERIT SHEM OF HIS BIRTH-RIGHT, AND DIVIDE THE WORLD BETWIXT HIM AND HIS BRETHREN, SO THAT THIS BIRTH-RIGHT, WHEN OUR A. PLEASES, MUST, AND WHEN HE PLEASES, MUST NOT, BE SACRED AND INVIOLABLE.

§ 140. IF NOAH DID DIVIDE THE WORLD BETWEEN HIS SONS, AND HIS ASSIGNMENT OF DOMINIONS TO THEM WERE GOOD, THERE IS AN END OF DIVINE INSTITUTION; ALL OUR A'S DISCOURSE OF ADAM'S HEIR, WITH WHATSOEVER HE BUILDS ON IT, IS QUITE OUT OF DOORS; AND THE NATURAL POWER OF KINGS FALLS TO THE GROUND; AND THEN THE FORM OF THE POWER GOVERNING, AND THE PERSON HAVING THAT POWER, WILL NOT BE (AS HE SAYS THEY ARE O. 254) THE ORDINANCE OF GOD, BUT THEY WILL BE ORDINANCES OF MAN. FOR IF THE RIGHT OF THE HEIR BE THE ORDINANCE OF GOD, A DIVINE RIGHT, NO MAN, FATHER, OR NOT FATHER, CAN ALTER IT: IF IT BE NOT A DIVINE RIGHT, IT IS ONLY HUMAN DEPENDING ON THE WILL OF MAN: AND SO WHERE HUMAN INSTITUTION GIVES IT NOT, THE FIRST-BORN HAS NO RIGHT AT ALL ABOVE HIS BRETHREN; AND MEN MAY PUT GOVERNMENT INTO WHAT HANDS, AND UNDER WHAT FORM, THEY PLEASE.

§ 141. HE GOES ON, MOST OF THE CIVILLEST NATIONS OF THE EARTH, LABOUR TO FETCH THEIR ORIGINAL FROM SOME OF THE SONS OR NEPHEWS OF NOAH, P. 14. HOW MANY DO MOST OF THE CIVILLEST NATIONS AMOUNT TO? AND WHO ARE THEY? I FEAR THE CHINESES, A VERY GREAT AND CIVIL PEOPLE, AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE OF THE EAST, WEST, NORTH AND SOUTH, TROUBLE NOT THEMSELVES MUCH ABOUT THIS MATTER. ALL THAT BELIEVE THE BIBLE, WHICH I BELIEVE ARE OUR A'S MOST OF THE CIVILLEST NATIONS, MUST NECESSARILY DERIVE THEMSELVES FROM NOAH, BUT FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD, THEY THINK LITTLE OF HIS SONS OR NEPHEWS. BUT IF THE HERALDS AND ANTIQUARIES OF ALL NATIONS, FOR 'TIS THESE MEN GENERALLY THAT LABOUR TO FIND OUT THE ORIGINALS OF NATIONS, OR ALL THE NATIONS THEMSELVES SHOULD LABOUR TO FETCH THEIR ORIGINAL FROM SOME OF THE SONS OR NEPHEWS OF NOAH, WHAT WOULD THIS BE TO PROVE, THAT THE LORDSHIP WHICH ADAM HAD OVER THE WHOLE WORLD, BY RIGHT DESCENDED TO THE PATRIARCHS? WHOEVER, NATIONS, OR RACES OF MEN, LABOUR TO FETCH THEIR ORIGINAL FROM, MAY BE CONCLUDED TO BE THOUGHT BY THEM, MEN OF RENOWN, FAMOUS TO POSTERITY FOR THE GREATNESS OF THEIR VIRTUES AND ACTIONS; BUT BEYOND THESE THEY LOOK NOT, NOR CONSIDER WHO THEY WERE HEIRS TO, BUT LOOK ON THEM AS SUCH AS RAISED THEMSELVES BY THEIR OWN VIRTUE TO A DEGREE THAT WOULD GIVE A LUSTRE TO THOSE, WHO IN FUTURE AGES COULD PRETEND TO DERIVE THEMSELVES FROM THEM. BUT IF IT WERE OGYGIS, HERCULES, BRAMA, TAMBERLAIN, PHARAMOND, NAY, IF JUPITER AND SATURN WERE THE NAMES, FROM WHENCE DIVERS RACES OF MAN, BOTH ANCIENT AND MODERN, HAVE LABOUR'D TO DERIVE THEIR ORIGINAL; WILL THAT PROVE THAT THOSE MEN ENJOYED THE LORDSHIP OF ADAM, BY RIGHT DESCENDING TO THEM? IF NOT, THIS IS BUT A FLOURISH OF OUR A'S TO MISLEAD HIS READER, THAT IN IT SELF SIGNIFIES NOTHING.

§ 142. TO AS MUCH PURPOSE, IS, WHAT HE TELLS US, P. 15. CONCERNING THIS DIVISION OF THE WORLD, THAT SOME SAY IT WAS BY LOT, AND OTHERS THAT NOAH SAIL'D ROUND THE MEDITERRANEAN IN TEN YEARS, AND DIVIDED THE WORLD INTO ASIA, AFRICA AND EUROPE, PORTIONS FOR HIS THREE SONS. AMERICA THEN, IT SEEMS, WAS LEFT TO BE HIS THAT COULD CATCH IT. WHY OUR A. TAKES SUCH PAINS TO PROVE THE DIVISION OF THE WORLD BY NOAH TO HIS SONS, AND WILL NOT LEAVE OUT AN IMAGINATION, THOUGH NO BETTER THAN A DREAM, THAT HE CAN FIND ANY WHERE TO FAVOUR IT, IS HARD TO GUESS, SINCE SUCH A DIVISION, IF IT PROVE ANY THING, MUST NECESSARILY TAKE AWAY THE TITLE OF ADAM'S HEIR: UNLESS THREE BROTHERS CAN ALTOGETHER BE HEIRS OF ADAM; AND THEREFORE THE FOLLOWING WORDS, HOWSOEVER THE MANNER OF THIS DIVISION BE UNCERTAIN, YET IT IS MOST CERTAIN THE DIVISION IT SELF WAS BY FAMILIES FROM NOAH AND HIS CHILDREN, OVER WHICH THE PARENTS WERE HEADS AND PRINCES, P. 15. IF ALLOW'D HIM TO BE TRUE, AND OF ANY FORCE TO PROVE, THAT ALL THE POWER IN THE WORLD IS NOTHING BUT THE LORDSHIP OF ADAM'S DESCENDING BY RIGHT, THEY WILL ONLY PROVE THAT THE FATHERS OF THE CHILDREN ARE ALL HEIRS TO THIS LORDSHIP OF ADAM. FOR IF IN THOSE DAYS CHAM AND JAPHET, AND OTHER PARENTS BESIDES THE ELDEST SON WERE HEADS AND PRINCES OVER THEIR FAMILIES, AND HAD A RIGHT TO DIVIDE THE EARTH BY FAMILIES, WHAT HINDERS YOUNGER BROTHERS, BEING FATHERS OF FAMILIES, FROM HAVING THE SAME RIGHT? IF CHAM AND JAPHET WERE PRINCES BY RIGHT DESCENDING TO THEM, NOTWITHSTANDING ANY TITLE OF HEIR IN THEIR ELDEST BROTHER, YOUNGER BROTHERS BY THE SAME RIGHT DESCENDING TO THEM ARE PRINCES NOW, AND SO ALL OUR A'S NATURAL POWER OF KINGS WILL REACH NO FARTHER THAN THEIR OWN CHILDREN, AND NO KINGDOM BY THIS NATURAL RIGHT, CAN BE BIGGER THAN A FAMILY. FOR EITHER THIS LORDSHIP OF ADAM OVER THE WHOLE WORLD, BY RIGHT DESCENDS ONLY TO THE ELDEST SON, AND THEN THERE CAN BE BUT ONE HEIR, AS OUR A. SAYS, P. 19. OR ELSE, IT BY RIGHT DESCENDS TO ALL THE SONS EQUALLY, AND THEN EVERY FATHER OF A FAMILY WILL HAVE IT, AS WELL AS THE THREE SONS OF NOAH: TAKE WHICH YOU WILL, IT DESTROYS THE PRESENT GOVERNMENTS AND KINGDOMS, THAT ARE NOW IN THE WORLD, SINCE WHOEVER HAS THIS NATURAL POWER OF A KING, BY RIGHT DESCENDING TO HIM, MUST HAVE IT EITHER, AS OUR A. TELLS US, CAIN HAD IT, AND BE LORD OVER HIS BRETHREN, AND SO BE ALONE KING OF THE WHOLE WORLD, OR ELSE AS HE TELLS US HERE, SHEM, CHAM AND JAPHET HAD IT, THREE BROTHERS, AND SO BE ONLY PRINCE OF HIS OWN FAMILY, AND ALL FAMILIES INDEPENDENT ONE OF ANOTHER; ALL THE WORLD MUST BE ONLY ONE EMPIRE BY THE RIGHT OF THE NEXT HEIR, OR ELSE EVERY FAMILY BE A DISTINCT GOVERNMENT OF IT SELF, BY THE LORDSHIP OF ADAM'S DESCENDING TO PARENTS OF FAMILIES. AND TO THIS ONLY TENDS ALL THE PROOFS HE HERE GIVES US OF THE DESCENT OF ADAM'S LORDSHIP: FOR CONTINUING HIS STORY OF THIS DESCENT HE SAYS.

§ 143. IN THE DISPERSION OF BABEL, WE MUST CERTAINLY FIND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF ROYAL POWER, THROUGHOUT THE KINGDOMS OF THE WORLD, P. 14. IF YOU MUST FIND IT, PRAY DO, AND YOU WILL HELP US TO A NEW PIECE OF HISTORY: BUT YOU MUST SPEW IT US BEFORE WE SHALL BE BOUND TO BELIEVE, THAT REGAL POWER WAS ESTABLISHED IN THE WORLD UPON YOUR PRINCIPLES. FOR, THAT REGAL POWER WAS ESTABLISHED IN THE KINGDOMS OF THE WORLD, I THINK NO BODY WILL DISPUTE, BUT THAT THERE SHOULD BE KINGDOMS IN THE WORLD, WHOSE SEVERAL KINGS ENJOY'D THEIR CROWNS, BY RIGHT DESCENDING TO THEM FROM ADAM, THAT WE THINK NOT ONLY APOCRYPHA, BUT ALSO UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE. IF OUR A. HAS NO BETTER FOUNDATION FOR HIS MONARCHY THAN A SUPPOSITION OF WHAT WAS DONE, AT THE DISPERSION OF BABEL, THE MONARCHY HE ERECTS THEREON, WHOSE TOP IS TO REACH TO HEAVEN TO UNITE MANKIND, WILL SERVE ONLY TO DIVIDE AND SCATTER THEM AS THAT TOWER DID; AND INSTEAD OF ESTABLISHING CIVIL GOVERNMENT AND ORDER IN THE WORLD WILL PRODUCE NOTHING BUT CONFUSION.

§ 144. FOR HE TELLS US, THE NATIONS THEY WERE DIVIDED INTO, WERE DISTINCT FAMILIES, WHICH HAD FATHERS FOR RULERS OVER THEM; WHEREBY IT APPEARS, THAT EVEN IN THE CONFUSION, GOD WAS CAREFUL TO PRESERVE THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY, BY DISTRIBUTING THE DIVERSITY OF LANGUAGES, ACCORDING TO THE DIVERSITY OF FAMILIES, P. 14. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A HARD MATTER FOR ANY ONE BUT OUR A. TO HAVE FOUND OUT SO PLAINLY IN THE TEXT, HE HERE BRINGS, THAT ALL THE NATIONS IN THAT DISPERSION WERE GOVERNED BY FATHERS, AND THAT GOD WAS CAREFUL TO PRESERVE THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY. THE WORDS OF THE TEXT ARE; THESE ARE THE SONS OF SHEM AFTER THEIR FAMILIES, AFTER THEIR TONGUES IN THEIR LANDS, AFTER THEIR NATIONS; AND THE SAME THING IS SAID OF CHAM AND JAPHET, AFTER AN ENUMERATION OF THEIR POSTERITIES: IN ALL WHICH THERE IS NOT ONE WORD SAID OF THEIR GOVERNORS, OR FORMS OF GOVERNMENT; OF FATHERS, OR FATHERLY AUTHORITY. BUT OUR A. WHO IS VERY - QUICK SIGHTED, TO SPY OUT FATHERHOOD, WHERE NO BODY ELSE COULD SEE ANY THE LEAST GLIMPSES OF IT, TELLS US POSITIVELY THEIR RULERS WERE FATHERS, AND GOD WAS CAREFUL TO PRESERVE THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY; AND WHY? BECAUSE THOSE OF THE SAME FAMILY SPOKE THE SAME LANGUAGE, AND SO OF NECESSITY IN THE DIVISION KEPT TOGETHER. JUST AS IF ONE SHOULD ARGUE THUS; HANIBAL IN HIS ARMY, CONSISTING OF DIVERS NATIONS, KEPT THOSE OF THE SAME LANGUAGE TOGETHER, THEREFORE FATHERS WERE CAPTAINS OF EACH BAND, AND HANIBAL WAS CAREFUL OF THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY. OR IN PEOPLING OF CAROLINA, THE ENGLISH, FRENCH, SCOTCH, AND WELCH THAT ARE THERE, PLANT THEMSELVES TOGETHER, AND BY THEM THE COUNTRY IS DIVIDED IN THEIR LANDS AFTER THEIR TONGUES, AFTER THEIR FAMILIES, AFTER THEIR NATIONS; THEREFORE CARE WAS TAKEN OF THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY. OR BECAUSE IN MANY PARTS OF AMERICA, EVERY LITTLE TRIBE WAS A DISTINCT PEOPLE, WITH A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE, ONE SHOULD INFER, THAT THEREFORE GOD WAS CAREFUL TO PRESERVE THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY, OR THAT THEREFORE THEIR RULERS ENJOY'D ADAM'S LORDSHIP BY RIGHT DESCENDING TO THEM, THOUGH WE KNOW NOT WHO WERE THEIR GOVERNORS, NOR WHAT THEIR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, BUT ONLY THAT THEY WERE DIVIDED INTO LITTLE INDEPENDENT SOCIETIES, SPEAKING DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.

§ 145. THE SCRIPTURE SAYS NOT A WORD OF THEIR RULERS OR FORMS OF GOVERNMENT, BUT ONLY GIVES AN ACCOUNT, HOW MANKIND CAME TO BE DIVIDED INTO DISTINCT LANGUAGES AND NATIONS; AND THEREFORE 'TIS NOT TO ARGUE FROM THE AUTHORITY OF SCRIPTURE, TO TELL US POSITIVELY, FATHERS WERE THEIR RULERS, WHEN THE SCRIPTURE SAYS NO SUCH THING, BUT TO SET UP FANCIES OF ONES OWN BRAIN, WHEN WE CONFIDENTLY AVER MATTER OF FACT, WHERE RECORDS ARE UTTERLY SILENT. UPON A LIKE GROUND, I.E. NONE AT ALL HE SAYS, THAT THEY WERE NOT CONFUSED MULTITUDES WITHOUT HEADS AND GOVERNORS, AND AT LIBERTY TO CHOOSE WHAT GOVERNORS OR GOVERNMENTS THEY PLEASED.

§ 146. FOR I DEMAND, WHEN MANKIND WERE ALL YET OF ONE LANGUAGE, ALL CONGREGATED IN THE PLAIN OF SHINAR, WERE THEY THEN ALL UNDER ONE MONARCH, WHO ENJOY'D THE LORDSHIP OF ADAM BY RIGHT DESCENDING TO HIM? IF THEY WERE NOT, THERE WAS THEN NO THOUGHTS, 'TIS PLAIN, OF ADAM'S HEIR, NO RIGHT TO GOVERNMENT KNOWN THEN UPON THAT TITLE, NO CARE TAKEN BY GOD OR MAN, OF ADAM'S FATHERLY AUTHORITY. IF WHEN MANKIND WERE BUT ONE PEOPLE, DWELT ALTOGETHER, AND WERE OF ONE LANGUAGE, AND WERE UPON BUILDING A CITY TOGETHER; AND WHEN 'TWAS PLAIN, THEY COULD NOT BUT KNOW THE RIGHT HEIR, FOR SHEM LIVED TILL ISAAC'S TIME, A LONG WHILE AFTER THE DIVISION AT BABEL, IF THEN, I SAY, THEY WERE NOT UNDER THE MONARCHICAL GOVERNMENT OF ADAM'S FATHERHOOD, BY RIGHT DESCENDING TO THE HEIR, 'TIS PLAIN THERE WAS NO REGARD HAD TO THE FATHERHOOD, NO MONARCHY ACKNOWLEDG'D DUE TO ADAM'S HEIR, NO EMPIRE OF SHEM'S IN ASIA, AND CONSEQUENTLY NO SUCH DIVISION OF THE WORLD BY NOAH, AS OUR A. HAS TALKED OF. AS FAR AS WE CAN CONCLUDE ANY THING FROM SCRIPTURE IN THIS MATTER, IT SEEMS FROM THIS PLACE, THAT IF THEY HAD ANY GOVERNMENT, IT WAS RATHER A COMMONWEALTH THAN AN ABSOLUTE MONARCHY: FOR THE SCRIPTURE TELLS US, GEN. 11. THEY SAID. 'TWAS NOT A PRINCE COMMANDED THE BUILDING OF THIS CITY AND TOWER, 'TWAS NOT BY THE COMMAND OF ONE MONARCH, BUT BY THE CONSULTATION OF MANY, A FREE PEOPLE, LET US BUILD US A CITY, THEY BUILT IT FOR THEMSELVES AS FREE-MAN, NOT AS SLAVES FOR THEIR LORD AND MASTER: THAT WE BE NOT SCATTERED ABROAD; HAVING A CITY ONCE BUILT, AND FIXED HABITATIONS TO SETTLE OUR ABODES AND FAMILIES. THIS WAS THE CONSULTATION AND DESIGN OF A PEOPLE, THAT WERE AT LIBERTY TO PART ASUNDER, BUT DESIRED TO KEEP IN ONE BODY, AND COULD NOT HAVE BEEN EITHER NECESSARY OR LIKELY IN MEN TYED TOGETHER UNDER THE GOVERNMENT OF ONE MONARCH, WHO IF THEY HAD BEEN, AS OUR A. TELLS US, ALL SLAVES UNDER THE ABSOLUTE DOMINION OF A MONARCH, NEEDED NOT HAVE TAKEN SUCH CARE TO HINDER THEMSELVES FROM WANDERING OUT OF THE REACH OF HIS DOMINION. I DEMAND WHETHER THIS BE NOT PLAINER IN SCRIPTURE THAN ANY THING OF ADAM'S HEIR OR FATHERLY AUTHORITY?

§ 147. BUT IF BEING, AS GOD SAYS, GEN. 11. 6. ONE PEOPLE, THEY HAD ONE RULER, ONE KING BY NATURAL RIGHT, ABSOLUTE AND SUPREME OVER THEM, WHAT CARE HAD GOD TO PRESERVE THE PATERNAL AUTHORITY OF THE SUPREME FATHERHOOD, IF ON A SUDDAIN HE SUFFERS 72 (FOR SO MANY OUR A. TALKS OF) DISTINCT NATIONS, TO BE ERECTED OUT OF IT, UNDER DISTINCT GOVERNORS, AND AT ONCE TO WITHDRAW THEMSELVES FROM THE OBEDIENCE OF THEIR SOVEREIGN. THIS IS TO ENTITLE GOD'S CARE HOW, AND TO WHAT WE PLEASE. CAN IT BE SENSE TO SAY, THAT -GOD WAS CAREFUL TO PRESERVE THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY IN THOSE WHO HAD IT NOT? FOR IF THESE WERE SUBJECTS UNDER A SUPREME PRINCE, WHAT AUTHORITY HAD THEY? WAS IT AN INSTANCE OF GOD'S CARE TO PRESERVE THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY, WHEN HE TOOK AWAY THE TRUE SUPREME FATHERHOOD OF THE NATURAL MONARCH? CAN IT BE REASON TO SAY, THAT GOD, FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FATHERLY AUTHORITY, LETS SEVERAL NEW GOVERNMENTS WITH THEIR GOVERNORS START UP, WHO COULD NOT ALL HAVE FATHERLY AUTHORITY? AND IS IT NOT AS MUCH REASON TO SAY, THAT GOD IS CAREFUL TO DESTROY FATHERLY AUTHORITY, WHEN HE SUFFERS ONE WHO IS IN POSSESSION OF IT, TO HAVE HIS GOVERNMENT TORN IN PIECES, AND SHARED BY SEVERAL OF HIS SUBJECTS? WOULD IT NOT BE AN ARGUMENT JUST LIKE THIS, FOR MONARCHICAL GOVERNMENT, TO SAY, WHEN ANY MONARCHY WAS SHATTER'D TO PIECES, AND DIVIDED AMONGST REVOLTED SUBJECTS, THAT GOD WAS CAREFUL TO PRESERVE MONARCHICAL POWER, BY RENDING A SETTLED EMPIRE INTO A MULTITUDE OF LITTLE GOVERNMENTS? IF ANY ONE WILL SAY, THAT WHAT HAPPENS IN PROVIDENCE TO BE PRESERVED, GOD IS CAREFUL TO PRESERVE AS A THING THEREFORE TO BE ESTEEMED BY MEN AS NECESSARY OR USEFUL, 'TIS A PECULIAR PROPRIETY OF SPEECH, WHICH EVERY ONE WILL NOT THINK FIT TO IMITATE: BUT THIS I AM SURE IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE EITHER PROPER, OR TRUE SPEAKING, THAT SHEM, FOR EXAMPLE (FOR HE WAS THEN ALIVE) SHOULD HAVE FATHERLY AUTHORITY, OR SOVEREIGNTY BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD OVER THAT ONE PEOPLE AT BABEL, AND THAT THE NEXT MOMENT SHEM YET LIVING, 72 OTHERS SHOULD HAVE FATHERLY AUTHORITY, OR SOVEREIGNTY BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD OVER THE SAME PEOPLE, DIVIDED INTO SO MANY DISTINCT GOVERNMENTS; EITHER THESE 72 FATHERS ACTUALLY WERE RULERS, JUST BEFORE THE CONFUSION, AND THEN THEY WERE NOT ONE PEOPLE, BUT THAT GOD HIMSELF SAYS THEY WERE; OR ELSE THEY WERE A COMMON-WEALTH, AND THEN WHERE WAS MONARCHY? OR ELSE THESE 72 FATHERS HAD FATHERLY AUTHORITY, BUT KNEW IT NOT. STRANGEL THAT FATHERLY AUTHORITY SHOULD BE THE ONLY ORIGINAL OF GOVERNMENT AMONGST MEN, AND YET ALL MANKIND NOT KNOW IT; AND STRANGER YET, THAT THE CONFUSION OF TONGUES SHOULD REVEAL IT TO THEM ALL OF A SUDDEN, THAT IN AN INSTANT THESE 72 SHOULD KNOW THAT THEY HAD FATHERLY POWER, AND ALL OTHERS KNOW THAT THEY WERE TO OBEY IT IN THEM, AND EVERY ONE KNOW THAT PARTICULAR FATHERLY AUTHORITY TO WHICH HE WAS A SUBJECT. HE THAT CAN THINK THIS ARGUING FROM SCRIPTURE, MAY FROM THENCE MAKE OUT WHAT MODEL OF AN EUTOPIA WILL BEST SUIT WITH HIS FANCY OR INTEREST, AND THIS FATHERHOOD THUS DISPOSED OF, WILL JUSTIFIE BOTH A PRINCE WHO CLAIMS AN UNIVERSAL MONARCHY, AND HIS SUBJECTS, WHO BEING FATHERS OF FAMILIES, SHALL QUIT ALL SUBJECTION TO HIM, AND CANTON HIS EMPIRE INTO LESS GOVERNMENTS FOR THEMSELVES: FOR IT WILL ALWAYS REMAIN A DOUBT IN WHICH OF THESE THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY RESIDED, TILL OUR A. RESOLVES US, WHETHER SHEM, WHO WAS THEN ALIVE, OR THESE 72 NEW PRINCES, BEGINNING SO MANY NEW EMPIRES IN HIS DOMINIONS, AND OVER HIS SUBJECTS, HAD RIGHT TO GOVERN, SINCE OUR A. TELLS US, THAT BOTH ONE AND T'OTHER HAD FATHERLY, WHICH IS SUPREME, AUTHORITY, AND ARE BROUGHT IN BY HIM AS INSTANCES OF THOSE, WHO DID ENJOY THE LORDSHIP OF ADAM BY RIGHT DESCENDING TO THEM, WHICH WAS AS LARGE AND AMPLE AS THE ABSOLUTEST DOMINION OF ANY MONARCH. THIS AT LEAST IS UNAVOIDABLE, THAT IF GOD WAS CAREFUL TO PRESERVE THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY, IN THE 72 NEW ERECTED NATIONS, IT NECESSARILY FOLLOWS, THAT HE WAS AS CAREFUL TO DESTROY ALL PRETENCES OF ADAMS HEIR; SINCE HE TOOK CARE, AND THEREFORE DID PRESERVE THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY IN SO MANY, AT LEAST 71, THAT COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE ADAMS HEIRS, WHEN THE RIGHT HEIR (IF GOD HAD EVER ORDAINED ANY SUCH INHERITANCE) COULD NOT BUT BE KNOWN, SHEM THEN LIVING, AND THEY BEING ALL ONE PEOPLE.

§ 148. NIMROD IS HIS NEXT INSTANCE OF ENJOYING THIS PATRIARCHAL POWER, P. 16. BUT I KNOW NOT FOR WHAT REASON OUR A. SEEMS A LITTLE UNKIND TO HIM, AND SAYS, THAT 'HE AGAINST RIGHT ENLARGED HIS EMPIRE, BY SEIZING VIOLENTLY ON THE RIGHTS OF OTHER LORDS OF FAMILIES: THESE LORDS OF FAMILIES HERE WERE CALLED FATHERS OF FAMILIES, IN HIS ACCOUNT OF THE DISPERSION AT BABEL: BUT IT MATTERS NOT HOW THEY WERE CALLED, SO WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE; FOR THIS FATHERLY AUTHORITY MUST BE IN THEM, EITHER AS HEIRS TO ADAM, AND SO THERE COULD NOT BE 72, NOR ABOVE ONE AT ONCE, OR ELSE AS NATURAL PARENTS OVER THEIR CHILDREN, AND SO EVERY FATHER WILL HAVE PATERNAL AUTHORITY OVER HIS CHILDREN BY THE SAME RIGHT, AND IN AS LARGE EXTENT AS THOSE 72 HAD, AND SO BE INDEPENDENT PRINCES OVER THEIR OWN OFF-SPRING. TAKING HIS LORDS OF FAMILIES, IN THIS LATTER SENSE (AS 'TIS HARD TO GIVE THOSE WORDS ANY OTHER SENSE IN THIS PLACE) HE GIVES US A VERY PRETTY ACCOUNT OF THE ORIGINAL OF MONARCHY IN THESE FOLLOWING WORDS, P. 16. AND IN THIS SENSE HE MAY BE SAID TO BE THE AUTHOR AND FOUNDER OF MONARCHY, VIZ. AS AGAINST RIGHT SEIZING VIOLENTLY ON THE RIGHTS OF FATHERS OVER THEIR CHILDREN, WHICH PATERNAL AUTHORITY, IF IT BE IN THEM BY RIGHT OF NATURE; (FOR ELSE HOW COULD THOSE 72 COME BY IT) NO BODY CAN TAKE FROM THEM WITHOUT THEIR OWN CONSENTS, AND THEN I DESIRE OUR A. AND HIS FRIENDS TO CONSIDER HOW FAR THIS WILL CONCERN OTHER PRINCES, AND WHETHER IT WILL NOT ACCORDING TO HIS CONCLUSION OF THAT PARAGRAPH, RESOLVE ALL REGAL POWER OF THOSE, WHOSE DOMINIONS EXTEND BEYOND THEIR FAMILIES, EITHER INTO TYRANNY AND USURPATION, OR ELECTION AND CONSENT OF FATHERS OF FAMILIES, WHICH WILL DIFFER VERY LITTLE FROM CONSENT OF THE PEOPLE.

§ 149. ALL HIS INSTANCES, IN THE NEXT SECTION, P. 17. OF THE 12. DUKES OF EDOM, THE 9. KINGS IN A LITTLE CORNER OF ASIA IN ABRAHAMS DAYS, THE 31 KINGS IN CANAAN DESTROYED BY JOSHUA, AND THE CARE HE TAKES TO PROVE THAT THESE WERE ALL SOVEREIGN PRINCES, AND THAT EVERY TOWN IN THOSE DAYS HAD A KING, ARE SO MANY DIRECT PROOFS AGAINST HIM, THAT IT WAS NOT THE LORDSHIP OF ADAM BY RIGHT DESCENDING TO THEM THAT MADE KINGS: FOR IF THEY HAD HELD THEIR ROYALTIES BY THAT TITLE, EITHER THERE MUST HAVE BEEN BUT ONE SOVEREIGN OVER THEM ALL, OR ELSE EVERY FATHER OF A FAMILY HAD BEEN AS GOOD A PRINCE, AND HAD AS GOOD A CLAIM TO ROYALTY AS THESE: FOR IF ALL THE SONS OF ESAU, HAD EACH OF THEM, THE YOUNGER AS WELL AS THE ELDEST, THE RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD, AND SO WERE SOVEREIGN PRINCES AFTER THEIR FATHERS DEATH, THE SAME RIGHT HAD THEIR SONS AFTER THEM, AND SO ON TO ALL POSTERITY, WHICH WILL LIMIT ALL THE NATURAL POWER OF FATHERHOOD, ONLY TO BE OVER THE ISSUE OF THEIR OWN BODIES, AND THEIR DESCENDANTS, WHICH POWER OF FATHERHOOD DIES WITH THE HEAD OF EACH FAMILY, AND MAKES WAY FOR THE LIKE POWER OF FATHERHOOD TO TAKE PLACE, IN EACH OF HIS SONS, OVER THEIR RESPECTIVE POSTERITIES, WHEREBY THE POWER OF FATHERHOOD WILL BE PRESERV'D INDEED, AND IS INTELLIGIBLE, BUT WILL NOT BE. AT ALL TO OUR A—'S PURPOSE: NONE OF THE INSTANCES HE BRINGS, ARE PROOFS OF ANY POWER THEY HAD, AS HEIRS OF ADAM'S PATERNAL AUTHORITY, BY THE TITLE OF HIS FATHERHOOD DESCENDING TO THEM, NO-NOR OF ANY POWER THEY HAD BY VERTUE OF THEIR OWN: FOR ADAMS FATHERHOOD BEING OVER ALL MANKIND, IT COULD DESCEND BUT TO ONE AT ONCE, AND FROM HIM TO HIS RIGHT HEIR ONLY, AND SO THERE COULD BY THAT TITLE BE BUT ONE KING IN THE WORLD AT A TIME; AND BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD, NOT DESCENDING FROM ADAM, IT MUST -BE ONLY AS THEY THEMSELVES WERE FATHERS, AND SO COULD BE OVER NONE BUT THEIR OWN POSTERITY: SO THAT IF THOSE 12 DUKES OF EDOM; IF ABRAHAM AND THE 9 KINGS HIS NEIGHBOURS; IF JACOB AND ESAU AND THE 31 KINGS IN CANAAN, THE 72 KINGS MUTILATED BY ADONIBESECK, THE 32 KINGS THAT CAME TO BENHADAD, THE 70 KINGS OF GREECE MAKING WAR AT TROY, WERE AS OUR A. CONTENDS, ALL OF THEM SOVEREIGN PRINCES; 'TIS EVIDENT THAT KINGS DERIV'D THEIR POWER FROM SOME OTHER ORIGINAL THEN FATHERHOOD, SINCE SOME OF THESE HAD POWER OVER MORE THAN THEIR OWN POSTERITY, AND 'TIS DEMONSTRATION, THEY COULD NOT BE ALL HEIRS TO ADAM: FOR I CHALLENGE ANY MAN TO MAKE ANY PRETENCE TO POWER BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD, EITHER INTELLIGIBLE OR POSSIBLE IN ANY ONE, OTHERWISE, THAN EITHER AS ADAMS HEIR, OR AS PROGENITOR OVER HIS OWN DESCENDANTS, NATURALLY SPRUNG FROM HIM. AND IF OUR A. COULD SHEW THAT ANY ONE OF THESE PRINCES, OF WHICH HE GIVES US HERE SO LARGE A CATALOGUE, HAD HIS AUTHORITY BY EITHER OF THESE TITLES, I THINK I MIGHT YIELD HIM THE CAUSE: THOUGH 'TIS MANIFEST THEY ARE ALL IMPERTINENT AND DIRECTLY CONTRARY TO WHAT HE BRINGS THEM TO PROVE, VIZ. THAT THE LORDSHIP WHICH ADAM HAD OVER THE WORLD BY RIGHT DESCENDED TO THE PATRIARCHS.

§ 150. HAVING TOLD US, P. 16. THAT THE PATRIARCHAL GOVERNMENT CONTINUED IN ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB, UNTIL THE EGYPTIAN BONDAGE, P. 17. HE TELLS US, BY MANIFEST FOOTSTEPS WE MAY TRACE THIS PATERNAL GOVERNMENT UNTO THE ISRAELITES COMING INTO EGYPT, WHERE THE EXERCISE OF SUPREAM PATRIARCHAL GOVERNMENT WAS INTERMITTED, BECAUSE THEY WERE IN SUBJECTION TO A STRONGER PRINCE. WHAT THESE FOOTSTEPS ARE OF PATERNAL GOVERNMENT, IN OUR A'S SENSE, I.E. OF ABSOLUTE MONARCHICAL POWER DESCENDING FROM ADAM, AND EXERCISED BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD WE HAVE SEEN, THAT IS FOR 2290 YEARS NO FOOTSTEPS AT ALL: SINCE IN ALL THAT TIME HE CANNOT PRODUCE ANY ONE EXAMPLE OF ANY PERSON WHO CLAIM'D OR EXERCISED REGAL AUTHORITY BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD, OR SHEW ANY ONE WHO BEING A KING WAS ADAMS HEIR. ALL THAT HIS PROOFS AMOUNT TO, IS ONLY THIS, THAT THERE WERE FATHERS, PATRIARCHS AND KINGS IN THAT AGE OF THE WORLD; BUT THAT THE FATHERS AND PATRIARCHS HAD ANY ABSOLUTE ARBITRARY POWER, OR BY WHAT TITLE THOSE KINGS HAD THEIRS, AND OF WHAT EXTENT IT WAS, THE SCRIPTURE IS WHOLLY SILENT; 'TIS MANIFEST BY RIGHT OF FATHERHOOD THEY NEITHER DID, NOR COULD CLAIM ANY TITLE TO DOMINION AND EMPIRE.

§ 151. TO SAY, THAT THE EXERCISE OF SUPREAM PATRIARCHAL GOVERNMENT WAS INTERMITTED, BECAUSE THEY WERE IN SUBJECTION TO A STRONGER PRINCE, PROVES NOTHING BUT WHAT I BEFORE SUSPECTED, VIZ. THAT PATRIARCHAL JURISDICTION OR GOVERNMENT IS A FALLACIOUS EXPRESSION, AND DOES NOT IN OUR A. SIGNIFIE (WHAT HE WOULD YET INSINUATE BY IT) PATERNAL AND REGAL POWER, SUCH AN ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGNTY, AS HE SUPPOSES WAS IN ADAM.

§ 152. FOR HOW CAN HE SAY THAT PATRIARCHAL JURISDICTION WAS INTERMITTED IN EGYPT, WHERE THERE WAS A KING, UNDER WHOSE REGAL GOVERNMENT THE ISRAELITES WERE, IF PATRIARCHAL WERE ABSOLUTE MONARCHICAL JURISDICTION? AND IF IT WERE NOT, BUT SOMETHING ELSE, WHY DOES HE MAKE SUCH ADO ABOUT A POWER NOT IN QUESTION, AND NOTHING TO THE PURPOSE? THE EXERCISE OF PATRIARCHAL JURISDICTION, IF PATRIARCHAL BE REGAL, WAS NOT INTERMITTED WHILST THE ISRAELITES WERE IN EGYPT. 'TIS TRUE, THE EXERCISE OF REGAL POWER WAS NOT THEN IN THE HANDS OF ANY OF THE PROMISED SEED OF ABRAHAM, NOR BEFORE NEITHER THAT I KNOW, BUT WHAT IS THAT TO THE INTERMISSION OF REGAL AUTHORITY, AS DESCENDING FROM ADAM, UNLESS OUR A. WILL HAVE IT, THAT THIS CHOSEN LINE OF ABRAHAM, HAD THE RIGHT OF INHERITANCE TO ADAMS LORDSHIP? AND THEN TO WHAT PURPOSE ARE HIS INSTANCES OF THE 72 RULERS, IN WHOM THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY WAS PRESERV'D IN THE CONFUSION -AT BABEL? WHY DOES HE BRING THE 12 PRINCES SONS OF ISMAEL, AND THE DUKES OF EDOM, AND JOYN THEM WITH ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB, AS EXAMPLES OF THE EXERCISE OF TRUE PATRIARCHAL GOVERNMENT, IF THE EXERCISE OF PATRIARCHAL JURISDICTION WERE INTERMITTED IN THE WORLD, WHENEVER THE HEIRS OF JACOB HAD NOT SUPREAM POWER? I FEAR SUPREAM 'PATRIARCHAL JURISDICTION WAS NOT ONLY INTERMITTED, BUT FROM THE TIME OF THE EGYPTIAN BONDAGE QUITE LOST IN THE WORLD, SINCE 'TWILL BE HARD TO FIND FROM THAT TIME DOWNWARDS, ANY ONE WHO EXERCISED IT AS AN INHERITANCE DESCENDING TO HIM FROM THE PATRIARCHS ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB. I IMAGINED MONARCHICAL GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE SERVED HIS TURN IN THE HANDS OF PHARAOH OR ANY BODY. BUT ONE CANNOT EASILY DISCOVER IN ALL PLACES WHAT HIS DISCOURSE TENDS TO, AS PARTICULARLY IN THIS PLACE, IT IS NOT OBVIOUS TO GUESS WHAT HE DRIVES AT, WHEN HE SAYS, THE EXERCISE OF SUPREAM PATRIARCHAL JURISDICTION IN EGYPT, OR HOW THIS SERVES TO MAKE OUT THE DESCENT OF ADAMS LORDSHIP TO THE PATRIARCHS OR ANY BODY ELSE.

§ 153. FOR I THOUGHT HE HAD BEEN GIVING US OUT OF SCRIPTURE, PROOFS AND EXAMPLES OF MONARCHICAL GOVERNMENT, FOUNDED ON PATERNAL AUTHORITY, DESCENDING FROM ADAM; AND NOT AN HISTORY OF THE JEWS. AMONGST WHOM YET WE FIND NO KINGS, TILL MANY YEARS AFTER THEY WERE A PEOPLE: AND WHEN KINGS WERE THEIR RULERS, THERE IS NOT THE LEAST MENTION OR ROOM FOR A PRETENCE THAT THEY WERE HEIRS TO ADAM OR KINGS BY PATERNAL AUTHORITY. I EXPECTED, TALKING SO MUCH AS HE DOES OF SCRIPTURE, THAT HE WOULD HAVE PRODUCED THENCE A SERIES OF MONARCHS, WHOSE TITLES WERE CLEAR TO ADAMS FATHERHOOD, AND WHO, AS HEIRS TO HIM, OWN'D AND EXERCISED PATERNAL JURISDICTION OVER THEIR SUBJECTS, AND THAT THIS WAS THE TRUE PATRIARCHICAL GOVERNMENT: WHEREAS HE NEITHER PROVES, THAT THE PATRIARCHS WERE KINGS, NOR THAT EITHER KINGS OR PATRIARCHS WERE HEIRS TO ADAM, OR SO MUCH AS PRETENDED TO IT: AND ONE MAY AS WELL PROVE, THAT THE PATRIARCHS WERE ALL ABSOLUTE MONARCHS; THAT THE POWER BOTH OF PATRIARCHS AND KINGS WAS ONLY PATERNAL; AND THAT THIS POWER DESCENDED TO THEM FROM ADAM; I SAY ALL THESE PROPOSITIONS MAY BE AS WELL PROVED BY A CONFUSED ACCOUNT OF A MULTITUDE OF LITTLE KINGS IN THE WEST-INDIES, OUT OF FERDINANDO SOTO, OR ANY OF OUR LATE HISTORIES OF THE NORTHERN AMERICA, OR BY OUR A—'S 70 KINGS OF GREECE, OUT OF HOMER, AS BY ANY THING HE BRINGS OUT OF SCRIPTURE, IN THAT MULTITUDE OF KINGS HE HAS RECKON'D UP.

§ 154. AND METHINKS HE SHOULD HAVE LET HOMER AND HIS WARS OF TROY ALONE, SINCE HIS GREAT ZEAL TO TRUTH OR MONARCHY CARRIED HIM TO SUCH A PITCH OF TRANSPORT AGAINST PHILOSOPHERS AND POETS, THAT HE TELLS US IN HIS PREFACE, 5 THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY IN THESE DAYS, WHO PLEASE THEMSELVES IN RUNNING AFTER THE OPINIONS OF PHILOSOPHERS AND POETS, TO FIND OUT SUCH AN ORIGINAL OF GOVERNMENT, AS MIGHT PROMISE THEM SOME TITLE TO LIBERTY, TO THE GREAT SCANDAL OF CHRISTIANITY, AND BRINGING IN OF ATHEISM. AND YET THESE HEATHENS, PHILOSOPHER ARISTOTLE, AND POET HOMER, ARE NOT REJECTED BY OUR ZEALOUS CHRISTIAN POLITICIAN, WHENEVER THEY OFFER ANY THING THAT SEEMS TO SERVE HIS TURN, WHETHER TO THE GREAT SCANDAL OF CHRISTIANITY, AND BRINGING IN OF ATHEISME; LET HIM LOOKE. THIS I CANNOT BUT OBSERVE IN AUTHORS WHO ('TIS VISIBLE) WRITE NOT FOR TRUTH, HOW READY ZEALE FOR INTEREST AND PARTY IS TO ENTITLE CHRISTIANITY TO THEIR DESIGN, AND TO CHARGE ATHEISME ON THOSE WHO WILL NOT WITHOUT EXAMINING, SUBMIT TO THEIR DOCTRINES, AND BLINDLY SWALLOW THEIR NONSENSE. BUT TO RETURN TO HIS SCRIPTURE HISTORY, OUR A. FARTHER TELLS US, P. 18. THAT AFTER THE RETURN OF THE ISRAELITES OUT OF BONDAGE, GOD OUT OF A SPECIAL CARE OF THEM, CHOSE MOSES AND JOSHUA SUCCESSIVELY TO GOVERN AS PRINCES IN THE PLACE AND STEAD OF THE SUPREAM FATHERS. IF IT BE TRUE, THAT THEY RETURNED OUT OF BONDAGE, IT MUST BE INTO A STATE OF FREEDOM, AND MUST IMPLY, THAT BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER THIS BONDAGE THEY WERE FREE, UNLESS OUR A. WILL SAY, THAT CHANGING OF MASTERS, IS RETURNING OUT OF BONDAGE, OR THAT A SLAVE RETURNS OUT OF BONDAGE, WHEN HE IS REMOVED FROM ONE GALLY TO ANOTHER. IF THEN THEY RETURNED OUT OF BONDAGE, 'TIS PLAIN THAT IN THOSE DAYS, WHATEVER OUR A. IN HIS PREFACE SAYS TO THE CONTRARY, THERE WAS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SON, A SUBJECT, AND A SLAVE, AND THAT NEITHER THE PATRIARCHS BEFORE, NOR THEIR RULERS AFTER THIS EGYPTIAN BONDAGE, NUMBERED THEIR SONS OR SUBJECTS AMONGST THEIR POSSESSIONS, AND DISPOSED OF THEM WITH AS ABSOLUTE A DOMINION, AS THEY DID THEIR OTHER GOODS.

§ 155. THIS IS EVIDENT IN JACOB, TO WHOM REUBEN OFFERED HIS TWO SONS AS PLEDGES, AND JUDAH WAS AT LAST SURETY FOR BENJAMIN'S SAFE RETURN OUT OF EGYPT: WHICH ALL HAD BEEN VAIN, SUPERFLUOUS, AND BUT A SORT OF MOCKERY, IF JACOB HAD HAD THE SAME POWER OVER EVERY ONE OF HIS FAMILY AS HE HAD OVER HIS OX OR HIS ASS, AS AN OWNER OVER HIS SUBSTANCE; AND THE OFFERS THAT REUBEN OR JUDAH MADE HAD BEEN SUCH A SECURITY FOR RETURNING OF BENJAMIN, AS IF A MAN SHOULD TAKE TWO LAMBS OUT OF HIS LORDS FLOCK, AND OFFER ONE AS SECURITY, THAT HE WILL SAFELY RESTORE THE OTHER.

§ 156. WHEN THEY WERE OUT OF THIS BONDAGE, WHAT THEN? GOD OUT OF A SPECIAL CARE OF THEM, THE ISRAELITES. TIS WELL THAT ONCE IN HIS BOOK, HE WILL ALLOW GOD TO HAVE ANY CARE OF THE PEOPLE, FOR IN OTHER PLACES HE SPEAKS OF MANKIND, AS IF GOD HAD NO CARE OF ANY PART OF THEM, BUT ONLY OF THEIR MONARCHS, AND THAT THE REST OF THE PEOPLE, THE SOCIETIES OF MEN, WERE MADE AS SO MANY HERDS OF CATTLE, ONLY FOR THE SERVICE, USE, AND PLEASURE OF THEIR PRINCES.

§ 157. CHOSE MOSES AND JOSHUA SUCCESSIVELY TO GOVERN AS PRINCES; A SHREUD ARGUMENT OUR A. HAS FOUND OUT TO PROVE GODS CARE OF THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY, AND ADAMS HEIRS, THAT HERE AS AN EXPRESSION OF HIS CARE OF HIS OWN PEOPLE, HE CHOOSES THOSE FOR PRINCES OVER THEM, THAT HAD NOT THE LEAST PRETENCE TO EITHER. THE PERSONS CHOSEN WERE, MOSES OF THE TRIBE OF LEVY, AND JOSHUA OF THE TRIBE OF EPHRAIM, NEITHER OF WHICH HAD ANY TITLE OF FATHERHOOD. BUT SAYS OUR A. THEY WERE IN THE PLACE AND STEAD OF THE SUPREAM FATHERS: IF GOD HAD ANY WHERE, AS PLAINLY DECLARED HIS CHOSEE OF SUCH FATHERS TO BE RULERS, AS HE DID OF MOSES AND JOSHUAH, WE MIGHT BELIEVE MOSES AND JOSHUAH WERE IN THEIR PLACE AND STEAD, BUT THAT BEING THE QUESTION IN DEBATE, TILL THAT BE BETTER PROVED, MOSES BEING CHOSEN BY GOD TO BE RULER OF HIS PEOPLE, WILL NO MORE PROVE THAT GOVERNMENT BELONG'D TO ADAM'S HEIR OR TO THE FATHERHOOD, THAN GOD'S CHOOSING AARON OF THE TRIBE OF LEVY TO BE PRIEST, WILL PROVE THAT THE PRIESTHOOD BELONG'D TO ADAM'S HEIR OR THE PRIME FATHERS, SINCE GOD COULD CHOOSE AARON TO BE PRIEST, AND MOSES RULER IN ISRAEL, THOUGH NEITHER OF THOSE OFFICES, WERE SETTLED ON ADAM'S HEIR OR THE FATHERHOOD.

§ 158. OUR A. GOES ON. AND AFTER THEM LIKEWISE FOR A TIME HE RAISED UP JUDGES, TO DEFEND HIS PEOPLE IN TIME OF PERIL, P. 18. THIS PROVES FATHERLY AUTHORITY TO BE THE ORIGINAL OF GOVERNMENT, AND THAT IT DESCENDED FROM ADAM TO HIS HEIRS, JUST AS WELL AS WHAT WENT BEFORE: ONLY HERE OUR A. SEEMS TO CONFESS, THAT THESE JUDGES, WHO WERE ALL THE GOVERNOURS, THEY THEN HAD, WERE ONLY MEN OF VALOUR, WHOM THEY MADE THEIR GENERALS TO DEFEND THEM IN TIME OF PERIL; AND CANNOT GOD RAISE UP SUCH MEN, UNLESS FATHERHOOD HAVE A TITLE TO GOVERNMENT?

§ 159. BUT SAYS OUR A. WHEN GOD GAVE THE ISRAELITES KINGS, HE RE-ESTABLISHED THE ANCIENT AND PRIME RIGHT OF LINEAL SUCCESSION TO PATERNAL GOVERNMENT, P. 18.

§ 160. HOW DID GOD RE-ESTABLISH IT? BY A ,LAW, A POSITIVE COMMAND? WE FIND NO SUCH THING. OUR A. MEANS THEN, THAT WHEN GOD GAVE THEM A KING, IN GIVING THEM A KING, HE RE-ESTABLISHED THE RIGHT, &C. TO RE-ESTABLISH DE FACTO THE RIGHT OF LINEAL SUCCESSION TO PATERNAL GOVERNMENT, IS TO PUT A MAN IN POSSESSION OF THAT GOVERNMENT WHICH HIS FATHERS DID ENJOY, AND HE BY LINEAL SUCCESSION HAD A RIGHT TO. FOR, FIRST, IF IT WERE ANOTHER GOVERNMENT, THAN WHAT HIS ANCESTORS HAD, IT WAS NOT SUCCEEDING TO AN ANCIENT RIGHT, BUT BEGINNING A NEW ONE. FOR IF A PRINCE SHOULD GIVE A MAN, BESIDES HIS ANCIENT PATRIMONY, WHICH FOR SOME AGES HIS FAMILY HAD BEEN DISSEIZ'D OF, AN ADDITIONAL ESTATE, NEVER BEFORE IN THE POSSESSION OF HIS ANCESTORS, HE COULD NOT BE SAID TO RE-ESTABLISH THE RIGHT OF LINEAL SUCCESSION TO ANY MORE, THAN WHAT HAD BEEN FORMERLY ENJOY'D BY HIS ANCESTORS. IF THEREFORE THE POWER THE KINGS OF ISRAEL HAD, WERE ANY THING MORE THAN ISAAC OR JACOB HAD, IT WAS NOT THE RE-ESTABLISHING IN THEM THE RIGHT OF SUCCESSION TO A POWER, BUT GIVING THEM A NEW POWER, HOWEVER YOU PLEASE TO CALL IT PATERNAL OR NOT: AND WHETHER ISAAC AND JACOB HAD THE SAME POWER, THAT THE KINGS OF ISRAEL HAD, I DESIRE ANY ONE, BY WHAT HAS BEEN ABOVESAID, TO CONSIDER, AND I DO NOT THINK THEY WILL FIND THAT EITHER ABRAHAM, ISAAC, OR JACOB HAD ANY REGAL POWER AT ALL.

§ 161. NEXT, THERE CAN BE NO RE-ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PRIME AND ANCIENT RIGHT OF LINEAL SUCCESSION TO ANY THING, UNLESS HE, THAT IS PUT IN POSSESSION OF IT HAS THE RIGHT TO SUCCEED, AND BE THE TRUE AND NEXT HEIR TO HIM HE SUCCEEDS TO. CAN THAT BE A RE-ESTABLISHMENT, WHICH BEGINS IN A NEW FAMILY? OR THAT THE RE-ESTABLISHMENT OF AN ANCIENT RIGHT OF LINEAL SUCCESSION, WHEN A CROWN IS GIVEN TO ONE, WHO HAS NO RIGHT OF SUCCESSION TO IT, AND WHO, IF THE LINEAL SUCCESSION HAD GONE ON, HAD BEEN OUT OF ALL POSSIBILITY OF PRETENCE TO IT? SAUL THE FIRST KING THAT GOD GAVE THE ISRAELITES, WAS OF THE TRIBE OF BENJAMIN. WAS THE ANCIENT AND PRIME RIGHT OF LINEAL SUCCESSION RE-ESTABLISHED IN HIM? THE NEXT WAS DAVID THE YOUNGEST SON OF JESSE, OF THE POSTERITY OF JUDAH, JACOB'S THIRD SON. WAS THE ANCIENT AND PRIME RIGHT OF LINEAL SUCCESSION TO PATERNAL GOVERNMENT RE-ESTABLISHED IN HIM? OR IN SOLOMON HIS YOUNGER SON AND SUCCESSOR IN THE THRONE? OR IN JEROBOAM OVER THE TEN TRIBES? OR IN ATHALIAH A WOMAN, WHO REIGNED SIX YEARS AN UTTER STRANGER TO THE ROYAL BLOOD? IF THE ANCIENT AND PRIME RIGHT OF LINEAL SUCCESSION TO PATERNAL GOVERNMENT, WERE RE-ESTABLISHED IN ANY OF THESE OR THEIR POSTERITY, THE ANCIENT AND PRIME RIGHT OF LINEAL SUCCESSION TO PATERNAL GOVERNMENT BELONGS TO YOUNGER BROTHERS AS WELL AS ELDER, AND MAY BE RE-ESTABLISHED IN ANY MAN LIVING: FOR WHATEVER YOUNGER BROTHERS, BY ANCIENT AND PRIME RIGHT OF LINEAL SUCCESSION, MAY HAVE AS WELL AS THE ELDER, THAT EVERY MAN LIVING MAY HAVE A RIGHT TO, BY LINEAL SUCCESSION, AND SIR ROBERT AS WELL AS ANY OTHER. AND SO WHAT A BRAVE RIGHT OF LINEAL SUCCESSION, TO HIS PATERNAL OR REGAL GOVERNMENT, OUR A. HAS RE-ESTABLISH'D FOR THE SECURING THE RIGHTS AND INHERITANCE OF CROWNS, WHERE EVERY ONE MAY HAVE IT, LET THE WORLD CONSIDER.

§ 162. BUT SAYS OUR A. HOWEVER, P. 19. WHENSOEVER GOD MADE CHOICE OF ANY SPECIAL PERSON TO BE KING, HE INTENDED THAT THE ISSUE ALSO SHOULD HAVE BENEFIT THEREOF, AS, BEING COMPREHENDED SUFFICIENTLY IN THE PERSON OF THE FATHER, ALTHOUGH THE FATHER WAS ONLY NAMED IN THE GRANT. THIS YET WILL NOT HELP OUT SUCCESSION; FOR IF, AS OUR A. SAYS, THE BENEFIT OF THE GRANT BE INTENDED TO THE ISSUE OF THE GRANTEE, THIS WILL NOT DIRECT THE SUCCESSION; SINCE IF GOD GIVE ANY THING TO A MAN AND HIS ISSUE IN GENERAL, THE CLAIM CANNOT BE TO ANY ONE OF THAT ISSUE IN PARTICULAR, EVERY ONE THAT IS OF HIS RACE WILL HAVE AN EQUAL RIGHT. IF IT BE SAID, OUR A. MEANT HEIR, I BELIEVE OUR A. WAS AS WILLING AS ANY BODY TO HAVE USED THAT WORD, IF IT WOULD HAVE SERVED HIS TURN; BUT SOLOMON WHO SUCCEEDED DAVID IN THE THRONE, BEING NO MORE HIS HEIR THAN JEROBOAM, WHO SUCCEEDED HIM IN THE GOVERNMENT OF THE TEN TRIBES, WAS HIS ISSUE; OUR A. HAD REASON TO AVOID SAYING, THAT GOD INTENDED IT TO THE HEIRS, WHEN THAT WOULD NOT HOLD IN A SUCCESSION, WHICH OUR A. COULD NOT EXCEPT AGAINST, AND SO HE HAS LEFT HIS SUCCESSION AS UNDETERMINED, AS IF HE HAD SAID NOTHING ABOUT IT. FOR IF THE REGAL POWER BE GIVEN BY GOD TO A MAN AND HIS ISSUE, AS THE LAND OF CANAAN WAS TO ABRAHAM AND HIS SEED, MUST THEY NOT ALL HAVE A TITLE TO IT, ALL SHARE IN IT? AND ONE MAY AS WELL SAY, THAT BY GOD'S GRANT TO ABRAHAM AND HIS SEED, THE LAND OF CANAAN WAS TO BELONG ONLY TO ONE OF HIS SEED EXCLUSIVE OF ALL OTHERS, AS BY GOD'S GRANT OF DOMINION TO A MAN AND HIS ISSUE, THIS DOMINION WAS TO BELONG IN PECULIAR TO ONE OF HIS ISSUE EXCLUSIVE OF ALL OTHERS.

§ 163. BUT HOW WILL OUR A. PROVE, THAT WHENSOEVER GOD MADE CHOICE OF ANY SPECIAL PERSON TO BE A KING, HE INTENDED THAT THE (I SUPPOSE HE MEANS HIS) ISSUE ALSO SHOULD HAVE BENEFIT THEREOF. HAS HE SO SOON FORGOT MOSES AND JOSHUA WHOM IN THIS VERY SECTION, HE SAYS, GOD OUT OF A SPECIAL CARE CHOSE TO GOVERN AS PRINCES, AND THE JUDGES THAT GOD RAISED UP? HAD NOT THESE PRINCES, HAVING THE AUTHORITY OF THE SUPREAM FATHERHOOD, THE SAME POWER THAT THE KINGS HAD, AND BEING SPECIALLY CHOSEN BY GOD HIMSELF, SHOULD NOT THEIR ISSUE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THAT CHOICE, AS WELL AS DAVID'S OR SOLOMON'S? IF THESE HAD THE PATERNAL AUTHORITY PUT INTO THEIR HANDS IMMEDIATELY BY GOD, WHY HAD NOT THEIR ISSUE THE BENEFIT OF THIS GRANT IN A SUCCESSION TO THIS POWER? OR IF THEY HAD IT AS ADAM'S HEIRS, WHY DID NOT THEIR HEIRS ENJOY IT AFTER THEM BY RIGHT DESCENDING TO THEM? FOR THEY COULD NOT BE HEIRS TO ONE ANOTHER. WAS THE POWER THE SAME, AND FROM THE SAME ORIGINAL IN MOSES, JOSHUA AND THE JUDGES, AS IT WAS IN DAVID AND THE KINGS, AND WAS IT INHERITABLE IN ONE AND NOT IN THE OTHER? IF IT WAS NOT PATERNAL AUTHORITY, THEN GOD'S OWN PEOPLE WERE GOVERN'D BY THOSE THAT HAD NOT PATERNAL AUTHORITY, AND THOSE GOVERNOURS DID WELL ENOUGH WITHOUT IT: IF IT WERE PATERNAL AUTHORITY AND GOD CHOSE THE PERSONS THAT WERE TO EXERCISE IT, OUR A'S RULE FAILS, THAT WHENSOEVER GOD MAKES CHOICE OF ANY PERSON TO BE SUPREAM RULER (FOR I SUPPOSE THE NAME KING HAS NO SPELL IN IT, 'TIS NOT THE TITLE, BUT THE POWER MAKES THE DIFFERENCE) HE INTENDS. THAT THE ISSUE ALSO SHOULD HAVE THE BENEFIT OF IT, SINCE FROM THEIR COMING OUT OF EGYPT TO DAVID'S TIME, 400 YEARS, THE ISSUE WAS NEVER SO SUFFICIENTLY, COMPREHENDED IN THE PERSON OF THE FATHER, AS THAT ANY SON AFTER THE DEATH OF HIS FATHER, SUCCEEDED TO THE GOVERNMENT AMONGST ALL THOSE JUDGES THAT JUDGED ISRAEL. IF TO AVOID THIS, IT BE SAID, GOD ALWAYS CHOSE THE PERSON OF THE SUCCESSOR, AND SO TRANSFERRING THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY TO HIM, EXCLUDED HIS ISSUE FROM SUCCEEDING TO IT, THAT IS MANIFESTLY NOT SO IN THE STORY OF JEPHTHA, WHERE HE ARTICLED WITH THE PEOPLE, AND THEY MADE HIM JUDGE OVER THEM, AS IS PLAIN, JUDG. 11.

§ 164. 'TIS IN VAIN THEN TO SAY, THAT WHENSOEVER GOD CHOOSES ANY SPECIAL PERSON TO HAVE THE EXERCISE OF PATERNAL AUTHORITY (FOR IF THAT BE NOT TO BE KING, I DESIRE TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A KING AND ONE HAVING THE EXERCISE OF PATERNAL AUTHORITY,) HE INTENDS THE ISSUE ALSO SHOULD HAVE THE BENEFIT OF IT, SINCE WE FIND THE AUTHORITY, THE JUDGES HAD, ENDED WITH THEM, AND DESCENDED NOT TO THEIR ISSUE, AND IF THE JUDGES HAD NOT PATERNAL AUTHORITY, I FEAR IT WILL TROUBLE OUR A. OR ANY OF THE FRIENDS TO HIS PRINCIPLES, TO TELL WHO HAD THEN THE PATERNAL AUTHORITY, THAT IS, THE GOVERNMENT AND SUPREAM POWER AMONGST THE ISRAELITES, AND I SUSPECT THEY MUST CONFESS THAT THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD CONTINUED A PEOPLE SEVERAL HUNDREDS OF YEARS, WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE OR THOUGHT OF THIS PATERNAL AUTHORITY, OR ANY APPEARANCE OF MONARCHICAL GOVERNMENT AT ALL.

§ 165. TO BE SATISFIED OF THIS, HE NEED BUT READ THE STORY. OF THE LEVITE, AND THE WAR THEREUPON WITH THE BENJAMITES, IN THE 3 LAST CHAPT. OF JUD.: AND WHEN HE FINDS, THAT THE LEVITE APPEALS TO THE PEOPLE FOR JUSTICE; THAT IT WAS THE TRIBES AND THE CONGREGATION, THAT DEBATED, RESOLVED, AND DIRECTED ALL THAT WAS DONE ON THAT OCCASION, HE MUST CONCLUDE, EITHER THAT GOD WAS NOT CAREFUL TO PRESERVE THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY AMONGST HIS OWN CHOSEN PEOPLE; OR ELSE THAT THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY MAY BE PRESERVED, WHERE THERE IS NO MONARCHICAL GOVERNMENT; IF THE LATTER, THEN IT WILL FOLLOW THAT THOUGH FATHERLY AUTHORITY BE NEVER SO WELL PROVED, YET IT WILL NOT INFER A NECESSITY OF MONARCHICAL GOVERNMENT; IF THE FORMER, IT WILL SEEM VERY STRANGE AND IMPROBABLE THAT GOD SHOULD ORDAIN FATHERLY AUTHORITY TO BE SO SACRED AMONGST THE SONS OF MEN, THAT THERE COULD BE NO POWER OR GOVERNMENT WITHOUT IT, AND 'YET THAT AMONGST HIS OWN PEOPLE, EVEN WHILST HE IS PROVIDING A GOVERNMENT FOR THEM, AND THEREIN PRESCRIBES RULES TO THE SEVERAL STATES AND RELATIONS OF MEN, THIS GREAT AND FUNDAMENTAL ONE, THIS MOST MATERIAL AND NECESSARY OF ALL THE REST SHOULD BE CONCEALED, AND LYE NEGLECTED FOR 400 YEARS AFTER.

§ 166. BEFORE I LEAVE THIS, I MUST ASK HOW OUR A. KNOWS THAT WHENSOEVER GOD MAKES CHOICE OF ANY SPECIAL PERSON TO BE KING, HE INTENDS THAT THE ISSUE SHOULD HAVE THE BENEFIT THEREOF? DOES GOD BY THE LAW OF NATURE OR REVELATION SAY SO? BY THE_ SAME LAW ALSO HE MUST SAY, WHICH OF HIS ISSUE MUST ENJOY THE GROWN IN SUCCESSION, AND SO POINT OUT THE HEIR, OR ELSE LEAVE HIS ISSUE TO DIVIDE OR SCRAMBLE FOR THE GOVERNMENT: BOTH ALIKE ABSURD, AND SUCH AS WILL DESTROY THE BENEFIT OF SUCH GRANT TO THE ISSUE. WHEN ANY SUCH DECLARATION OF GOD'S INTENTION IS PRODUCED, IT WILL BE OUR DUTY TO BELIEVE GOD INTENDS IT SO, BUT TILL THAT BE DONE, OUR A. MUST SPEW US SOME BETTER WARRANT, BEFORE WE SHALL BE OBLIGED TO RECEIVE HIM AS THE AUTHENTICK REVEALER OF GOD'S INTENTIONS.

§ 167. THE ISSUE, SAYS OUR A. IS COMPREHENDED SUFFICIENTLY IN THE PERSON OF THE FATHER, ALTHOUGH THE FATHER ONLY WAS NAMED IN THE GRANT: AND YET GOD, WHEN HE GAVE THE LAND OF CANAAN TO ABRAHAM, GEN. 13. 15. THOUGHT FIT TO PUT HIS SEED INTO THE GRANT TOO. SO THE PRIESTHOOD WAS GIVEN TO AARON AND HIS SEED, AND THE CROWN GOD GAVE NOT ONLY TO DAVID, BUT HIS SEED ALSO: AND HOWEVER OUR A. ASSURES US THAT GOD INTENDS, THAT THE ISSUE SHOULD HAVE THE BENEFIT OF IT, WHEN HE CHOOSES ANY PERSON TO BE KING, YET WE SEE THAT THE KINGDOM WHICH HE GAVE TO SAUL, WITHOUT MENTIONING HIS SEED AFTER HIM, NEVER CAME TO ANY OF HIS ISSUE, AND WHY WHEN GOD CHOSE A PERSON TO BE KING, HE SHOULD INTEND THAT HIS ISSUE SHOULD HAVE THE BENEFIT OF IT, MORE THAN WHEN HE CHOSE ONE TO BE JUDGE IN ISRAEL, I WOULD FAIN KNOW A REASON; OR WHY DOES A GRANT OF FATHERLY AUTHORITY TO A KING MORE COMPREHEND THE ISSUE, THAN WHEN A LIKE GRANT IS MADE TO A JUDGE? IS PATERNAL AUTHORITY BY RIGHT TO DESCEND TO THE ISSUE, OF ONE AND NOT OF THE OTHER? THERE WILL NEED SOME REASON TO BE SHEWN OF THIS DIFFERENCE, MORE THAN THE NAME, WHEN THE THING GIVEN IS THE SAME FATHERLY AUTHORITY, AND THE MANNER OF GIVING IT, GOD'S CHOICE OF THE PERSON THE SAME TOO; FOR I SUPPOSE OUR A., WHEN HE SAYS, GOD RAISED UP JUDGES, WILL BY NO MEANS ALLOW, THEY WERE CHOSEN BY THE PEOPLE.

§ 168. BUT SINCE OUR A. HAS SO CONFIDENTLY ASSURED US OF THE CARE OF GOD TO PRESERVE THE FATHERHOOD, AND PRETENDS TO BUILD ALL, HE SAYS, UPON THE AUTHORITY OF THE SCRIPTURE, WE MAY WELL EXPECT THAT THE PEOPLE WHOSE LAW, CONSTITUTION AND HISTORY IS CHIEFLY CONTAINED IN THE SCRIPTURE, SHOULD FURNISH HIM WITH THE CLEAREST INSTANCES OF GOD'S CARE OF PRESERVING OF THE FATHERLY AUTHORITY, IN THAT PEOPLE WHO 'TIS AGREED HE HAD A MOST PECULIAR CARE OF. LET US SEE THEN WHAT STATE THIS PATERNAL AUTHORITY OR GOVERNMENT WAS IN AMONGST THE JEWS, FROM THEIR BEGINNING TO BE A PEOPLE. IT WAS OMITTED BY OUR A'S CONFESSION, FROM THEIR COMING INTO EGYPT, TILL THEIR RETURN OUT OF THAT BONDAGE, ABOVE 200 YEARS. FROM THENCE TILL GOD GAVE THE ISRAELITES A KING ABOUT 400 YEARS MORE, OUR A. GIVES BUT A VERY SLENDER ACCOUNT OF IT, NOR INDEED ALL THAT TIME ARE THERE THE LEAST FOOTSTEPS OF PATERNAL OR REGAL GOVERNMENT AMONGST THEM. BUT THEN SAYS OUR A. GOD REESTABLISHED THE ANCIENT AND PRIME RIGHT OF LINEAL SUCCESSION TO PATERNAL GOVERNMENT.

§ 169. WHAT A LINEAL SUCCESSION TO PATERNAL GOVERNMENT WAS THEN ESTABLISHED, WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN. I ONLY NOW CONSIDER HOW LONG THIS LASTED, AND THAT WAS TO THEIR CAPTIVITY ABOUT 500 YEARS: FROM THENCE TO THEIR DESTRUCTION BY THE ROMANS, ABOVE 650 YEARS AFTER, THE ANCIENT AND PRIME RIGHT OF LINEAL SUCCESSION TO PATERNAL GOVERNMENT WAS AGAIN LOST, AND THEY CONTINUED A PEOPLE IN THE PROMISED LAND WITHOUT IT. SO THAT OF 1150 YEARS THAT THEY WERE GOD'S PECULIAR PEOPLE, THEY HAD HEREDITARY KINGLY GOVERNMENT AMONGST THEM, NOT ONE THIRD OF THE TIME, AND OF THAT TIME THERE IS NOT THE LEAST FOOTSTEP OF ONE MOMENT OF PATERNAL GOVERNMENT, NOR THE RE-ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ANCIENT AND PRIME RIGHT OF LINEAL SUCCESSION TO IT, WHETHER WE SUPPOSE IT TO BE DERIVED, AS FROM ITS FOUNTAIN, FROM DAVID, SAUL, ABRAHAM, OR WHICH UPON OUR A'S PRINCIPLES IS THE ONLY TRUE, FROM ADAM.

--Mafaraxas (talk) 07:34, 5 January 2009 (EST)

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NEED PVXERS TO FORM A RAWRSPIKE GUILD ILL TEACH TO YOU RAWRSPIKE/LINEBACK

^Tab 07:55, 2 January 2009 (EST)

we could use r600 guild ;o Frosty po! 07:56, 2 January 2009 (EST)

using PROT ME UP SCOTTY, the strongest rawrspike guild in existence. already have like 5 strong rawrspikers ;o Tab 07:57, 2 January 2009 (EST)

wat b rawrspiek? Rickyvantof 08:09, 2 January 2009 (EST)

:> Frosty po! 08:12, 2 January 2009 (EST)

I prefer kupospike.-Crossfire XIV 23:07, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Youre so bad at meming Rawrawr Dinosaur 23:21, 2 January 2009 (EST)

I am interested to learn.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 23:14, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Me! ME! :D Ebolax 23:25, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Well i would, but seeing that i would be crap at gvg--ChristmasRelyk 23:26, 2 January 2009 (EST)

I would too, but seeing that i'm complete crap at GW... JebusMcMouse_Contests 00:14, 3 January 2009 (EST)

Ill lern people to gw (at least, a bit) if you dont mind getting shouted at loads and you actually listen =\ Rawrawr Dinosaur 00:22, 3 January 2009 (EST)

I love being scolded. I think it's my sadistic side.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 02:40, 3 January 2009 (EST)

You're in for a treat. Rawr has a wonderful sexy voice. Tycn 05:50, 3 January 2009 (EST)

after trying rawrspike last night, theres now a prerequiste that you can press your spike assist skill on 1 Tab 07:01, 3 January 2009 (EST)

I'm out :< - Misery Is Friendly 07:22, 3 January 2009 (EST)

I can has rawrspike? --Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 10:49, 3 January 2009 (EST)

if you can use your spike assist on 1, then yes Tab 10:50, 3 January 2009 (EST)

:> --Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 10:51, 3 January 2009 (EST)

no idea what your ign is btw Tab 10:56, 3 January 2009 (EST)

Ojamo Pvp War --Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 10:56, 3 January 2009 (EST)

I am also interested to join/learn. Ign: Healer Of Bane.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 00:05, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Damnit, I really need to get TS/Vent working... ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   00:07, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Linux user?PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 00:09, 4 January 2009 (EST)

No, fucking drivers got fucked. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   00:11, 4 January 2009 (EST)

ignore what im saying k? InfestedHydralisk 00:13, 4 January 2009 (EST)

My ign is: X Ebolax X Ebolax 12:26, 4 January 2009 (EST)

AMOR IS NOT FOR PVXERS FAGGOT — Skakid Rally- kupo! 13:22, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Yes It is! Ebolax 14:47, 4 January 2009 (EST)

That was directed towards Frosty ^_^ — Skakid Rally- kupo! 15:12, 4 January 2009 (EST)

i can has amor? Tab 16:11, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Yeah if you add me ign^^^ Ebolax 21:37, 4 January 2009 (EST)

What time you guys usually Gvg? -- wins. 21:42, 4 January 2009 (EST)

25gmt Rawrawr Dinosaur 21:42, 4 January 2009 (EST)

25 GMT?PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 21:44, 4 January 2009 (EST)

^ Rawrawr Dinosaur 21:45, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Lolz, I always thought it was written like 9.00pm +0 GMT, 25 GMT is alien to me.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 21:49, 4 January 2009 (EST)

its a joke pika. also, recruiting on pvx is hilarious. /wave@tab. -- Gringo TALK 03:02, 4 January 2009(EST)

If it's a joke, it probably failed because it isn't funny.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 22:04, 4 January 2009 (EST)

It is VERY funny. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   22:05, 4 January 2009 (EST)

well pikas reaction was at least. -- Gringo TALK 03:07, 4 January 2009(EST)

I thought it was a different form of representing time coz I was srs at that time.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 22:08, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Don't mind them. It's just a European way of expressing time, they have 27 hours in a day over there. Everyone has to learn stuff like this sometime. ¬ «Ðêjh» (talk) 00:10, 5 January 2009 (EST)

lol i read the section title as "NEED PVXERS TO FORM A RAWRSPIKE. GUILD (GoD) ILL TEACH TO YOU RAWRSPIKE/LINEBACK." lol JebusMcMouse_Contests 00:14, 5 January 2009 (EST)

That is both more amusing and more challenging :P ¬ «Ðêjh» (talk) 00:19, 5 January 2009 (EST)

tldr Tab 06:15, 5 January 2009 (EST)

- 07:43, 5 January 2009 (EST)

§ 20. I FEAR I HAVE TIRED MY READER'S PATIENCE, BY DWELLING LONGER ON THIS PASSAGE THAN THE WEIGHTINESS OF ANY ARGUMENT IN IT, SEEMS TO REQUIRE: BUT I HAVE UNAVOIDABLY BEEN ENGAGED IN IT BY OUR A—'S WAY OF WRITING, WHO HUDLING SEVERAL SUPPOSITIONS TOGETHER, AND THAT IN DOUBTFUL AND GENERAL TERMS MAKES SUCH A MEDLY AND CONFUSION, THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SHEW HIS MISTAKES, WITHOUT EXAMINING THE SEVERAL SENSES, WHEREIN HIS WORDS MAY BE TAKEN, AND WITHOUT SEEING HOW, IN ANY OF THESE VARIOUS MEANINGS, THEY WILL CONSIST TOGETHER, AND HAVE ANY TRUTH IN THEM; FOR IN THIS PRESENT PASSAGE BEFORE US, HOW CAN ANY ONE ARGUE AGAINST THIS POSITION OF HIS, THAT ADAM WAS A KING FROM HIS CREATION, UNLESS ONE EXAMINE, WHETHER THE WORDS, FROM HIS CREATION, BE TO BE TAKEN, AS THEY MAY, FOR THE TIME OF THE COMMENCEMENT OF HIS GOVERNMENT, AS THE FOREGOING WORDS IMPORT, AS SOON AS HE WAS CREATED HE WAS MONARCH, OR, FOR THE CAUSE OF IT, AS HE SAYS, P. 11. CREATION MADE MAN PRINCE OF HIS POSTERITY? --Mafaraxas (talk) 07:45, 5 January 2009 (EST)

OF BRUTUS' BLOOD, IN BRITTAINE BORNE,
KING ARTHUR I AM TO NAME;
THROUGH CHRISTENDOME AND HEATHYNESSE
WELL KNOWNE IS MY WORTHY FAME.

IN JESUS CHRIST I DOE BELEEVE;
I AM A CHRISTYAN BORE;
THE FATHER, SONE, AND HOLY GOST;
ONE GOD, I DOE ADORE.

IN THE FOUR HUNDRED NINETIETH YEERE,
OER BRITTAINE I DID RAYNE,
AFTER MY SAVIOR CHRIST HIS BYRTH,
WHAT TIME I DID MAINTAINE.

THE FELLOWSHIPP OF THE TABLE ROUND,
SOE FAMOUS IN THOSE DAYES;
WHEREATT A HUNDRED NOBLE KNIGHTS
AND THIRTY SAT ALWAYES:

WHO FOR THEIR DEEDS AND MARTIALL FEATES,
AS BOOKES DONE YETT RECORD,
AMONGST ALL OTHER NATIONS
WER FEARED THROUGH THE WORLD

AND IN THE CASTLE OF TYNTAGILL
KING UTHER MEE BEGATE,
OF AGYNA, A BEWTYOUS LADYE,
AND COME OF HIE ESTATE.

AND WHEN I WAS FIFTEEN YEERE OLD,
THEN WAS I CROWNED KINGE:
ALL BRITTAINE, THAT WAS ATT A UPRORE,
I DID TO QUIETT BRINGE;

AND DROVE THE SAXONS FROM THE REALME,
WHO HAS OPPREST THIS LAND;
ALL SCOTLAND THEN, THROUGHE MANLY FEATES,
I CONQUERED WITH MY HAND.

IRELAND, DENMARKE, NORWAYE,
THESE COUNTRYES WAN I ALL;
ISELAND, GOTHELAND, AND SWETHELAND;
AND MADE THEIR KINGS MY THRALL.

I CONQURED ALL GALLYA,
THAT NOW IS CALLED FRANCE;
AND SLEW THE HARDYE FROLL IN FEILD,
MY HONOR TO ADVANCE.

AND THE UGLY GYANTE DYNABUS,
SOE TERRIBLE TO VEWE,
THAT IN SAINT BARNARDS MOUNT DID LYE,
BY FORCE OF ARMES I SLEW.

AND LUCYUS, THE EMPEROUR OF ROME,
I BROUGHT TO A DEADLY WRACKE;
AND A THOUSAND MORE OF NOBLE KINGHTES
FOR FEARE DID TURNE THEIR BACKE.

FIVE KINGES OF PAYNIMS I DID KILL
AMIDST THAT BLOODY STRIFE;
BESIDES THE GRECIAN EMPEROUR,
WHO ALSOE LOST HIS LIFFE.

WHOSE CARCASSE I DID SEND TO ROME,
CLADD POORLYE ON A BEERE;
AND AFTERWARD I PAST MOUNT-JOYE
THE NEXT APPROACHING YEERE

THEN I CAME TO ROME, WHERE I WAS METT
RIGHT AS A CONQUEROUR,
AND BY ALL THE CARDINALLS SOLEMPNELYE
I WAS CROWNED AN EMPEROUR.

ONE WINTER THERE I MADE ABODE,
THEN WORD TO MEE WAS BROUGHT,
HOW MORDRED HAD OPPRESSD THE CROWNE,
WHAT TREASON HE HAD WROUGHT

ATT HOME IN BRITTAINE WITH MY QUEENE:
THERFORE I CAME WITH SPEEDE
TO BRITTAINE BACKE, WITH ALL MY POWER,
TO QUITT THAT TRAITEROUS DEEDE;

AND SOONE AT SANDWICHE I ARRIVDE,
WHERE MORDRED ME WITHSTOODE:
BUT YETT AT LAST I LANDED THERE,
WITH EFFUSION OF MUCH BLOOD.

FOR THERE MY NEPHEW SIR GAWAINE DYED,
BEING WOUNDED IN THAT SORE
THE WHICHE SIR LAUNCELOT IN THE FIGHT
HAD GIVEN HIM BEFORE.

THEN CHASED I MORDERED AWAY,
WHO FLEDD TO LONDON RIGHT,
FROM LONDON TO WINCHESTER, AND
TO CORNWALLE TOOKE HIS FLYGHT.

AND STILL I HIM PURSUED WITH SPEED,
TILL AT THE LAST WEE METT;
WHEREBY AN APPOINTED DAY OF FIGHT
WAS THERE AGREED AND SET:

WHERE WE DID FIGHT, OF MORTAL LIFE
ECHE OTHER TO DEPRIVE,
TILL OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND MEN
SCARCE ONE WAS LEFT ALIVE.

THERE ALL THE NOBLE CHIVALRYE
OF BRITTAINE TOOK THEIR END.
O SEE HOW FICKLE IS THEIR STATE
THAT DOE ON FATES DEPEND!

THERE ALL THE TRAITEROUS MEN WERE SLAINE,
NOT ONE ESCAPTE AWAY;
AND THERE DYED ALL MY VALLYANT KNIGHTES.
ALAS! THAT WOEFULL DAY!

TWO AND TWEENTY YEERE I WARE THE CROWNE
IN HONOR AND GREAT FAME
AND THUS BY DEATH WAS SUDDENLYE
DEPRIVED OF THE SAME.

Tab 08:13, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Wow that sure reminded me to study for my English literature exam tomorrow. Fuck you D: Rickyvantof 09:00, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Wow....PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 14:17, 5 January 2009 (EST)

im not following it, could u repeat it tab? InfestedHydralisk 14:54, 5 January 2009 (EST)

OF BRUTUS' BLOOD, IN BRITTAINE BORNE,
KING ARTHUR I AM TO NAME;
THROUGH CHRISTENDOME AND HEATHYNESSE
WELL KNOWNE IS MY WORTHY FAME.

IN JESUS CHRIST I DOE BELEEVE;
I AM A CHRISTYAN BORE;
THE FATHER, SONE, AND HOLY GOST;
ONE GOD, I DOE ADORE.

IN THE FOUR HUNDRED NINETIETH YEERE,
OER BRITTAINE I DID RAYNE,
AFTER MY SAVIOR CHRIST HIS BYRTH,
WHAT TIME I DID MAINTAINE.

THE FELLOWSHIPP OF THE TABLE ROUND,
SOE FAMOUS IN THOSE DAYES;
WHEREATT A HUNDRED NOBLE KNIGHTS
AND THIRTY SAT ALWAYES:

WHO FOR THEIR DEEDS AND MARTIALL FEATES,
AS BOOKES DONE YETT RECORD,
AMONGST ALL OTHER NATIONS
WER FEARED THROUGH THE WORLD

AND IN THE CASTLE OF TYNTAGILL
KING UTHER MEE BEGATE,
OF AGYNA, A BEWTYOUS LADYE,
AND COME OF HIE ESTATE.

AND WHEN I WAS FIFTEEN YEERE OLD,
THEN WAS I CROWNED KINGE:
ALL BRITTAINE, THAT WAS ATT A UPRORE,
I DID TO QUIETT BRINGE;

AND DROVE THE SAXONS FROM THE REALME,
WHO HAS OPPREST THIS LAND;
ALL SCOTLAND THEN, THROUGHE MANLY FEATES,
I CONQUERED WITH MY HAND.

IRELAND, DENMARKE, NORWAYE,
THESE COUNTRYES WAN I ALL;
ISELAND, GOTHELAND, AND SWETHELAND;
AND MADE THEIR KINGS MY THRALL.

I CONQURED ALL GALLYA,
THAT NOW IS CALLED FRANCE;
AND SLEW THE HARDYE FROLL IN FEILD,
MY HONOR TO ADVANCE.

AND THE UGLY GYANTE DYNABUS,
SOE TERRIBLE TO VEWE,
THAT IN SAINT BARNARDS MOUNT DID LYE,
BY FORCE OF ARMES I SLEW.

AND LUCYUS, THE EMPEROUR OF ROME,
I BROUGHT TO A DEADLY WRACKE;
AND A THOUSAND MORE OF NOBLE KINGHTES
FOR FEARE DID TURNE THEIR BACKE.

FIVE KINGES OF PAYNIMS I DID KILL
AMIDST THAT BLOODY STRIFE;
BESIDES THE GRECIAN EMPEROUR,
WHO ALSOE LOST HIS LIFFE.

WHOSE CARCASSE I DID SEND TO ROME,
CLADD POORLYE ON A BEERE;
AND AFTERWARD I PAST MOUNT-JOYE
THE NEXT APPROACHING YEERE

THEN I CAME TO ROME, WHERE I WAS METT
RIGHT AS A CONQUEROUR,
AND BY ALL THE CARDINALLS SOLEMPNELYE
I WAS CROWNED AN EMPEROUR.

ONE WINTER THERE I MADE ABODE,
THEN WORD TO MEE WAS BROUGHT,
HOW MORDRED HAD OPPRESSD THE CROWNE,
WHAT TREASON HE HAD WROUGHT

ATT HOME IN BRITTAINE WITH MY QUEENE:
THERFORE I CAME WITH SPEEDE
TO BRITTAINE BACKE, WITH ALL MY POWER,
TO QUITT THAT TRAITEROUS DEEDE;

AND SOONE AT SANDWICHE I ARRIVDE,
WHERE MORDRED ME WITHSTOODE:
BUT YETT AT LAST I LANDED THERE,
WITH EFFUSION OF MUCH BLOOD.

FOR THERE MY NEPHEW SIR GAWAINE DYED,
BEING WOUNDED IN THAT SORE
THE WHICHE SIR LAUNCELOT IN THE FIGHT
HAD GIVEN HIM BEFORE.

THEN CHASED I MORDERED AWAY,
WHO FLEDD TO LONDON RIGHT,
FROM LONDON TO WINCHESTER, AND
TO CORNWALLE TOOKE HIS FLYGHT.

AND STILL I HIM PURSUED WITH SPEED,
TILL AT THE LAST WEE METT;
WHEREBY AN APPOINTED DAY OF FIGHT
WAS THERE AGREED AND SET:

WHERE WE DID FIGHT, OF MORTAL LIFE
ECHE OTHER TO DEPRIVE,
TILL OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND MEN
SCARCE ONE WAS LEFT ALIVE.

THERE ALL THE NOBLE CHIVALRYE
OF BRITTAINE TOOK THEIR END.
O SEE HOW FICKLE IS THEIR STATE
THAT DOE ON FATES DEPEND!

THERE ALL THE TRAITEROUS MEN WERE SLAINE,
NOT ONE ESCAPTE AWAY;
AND THERE DYED ALL MY VALLYANT KNIGHTES.
ALAS! THAT WOEFULL DAY!

TWO AND TWEENTY YEERE I WARE THE CROWNE
IN HONOR AND GREAT FAME
AND THUS BY DEATH WAS SUDDENLYE
DEPRIVED OF THE SAME.

repeated as requested Tab 17:01, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Do it again

You Instantly awakened my imagination
Old fashioned infatuation
I can be anything that you want me to be
And you can have me in every position that you dreamed
I know you've got a wild streak
You're a freak
You're alone in your bed with graphic images in your head

Let me do what I want to do with you
Let me tie you down pick you up and
Flip you all around
Let me tell you how sexy you are
As I'm going down on you in the car
If feeling this good is a sin
Let's do it all over again.

Just when I thought this might get boring
Wake me up in the morning by pouring
Honey on my body and licking it off
You're taking me to concerts and you're taking off your top
I know you've got a wild streak
You're a freak
Then you're back in our room with the bride and the groom

This is it
This is great
This is what I always wanted
Where do we go from here?
That's the question of the year
I think you're fine
I think you're hot
This is what I always dreamed of
The one thing I forgot
Was to get to know you
--GoldenStar 17:00, 5 January 2009 (EST)

GOLDENSTAR MORE LIKE EUROSTAR LOLOLOL Tab 17:02, 5 January 2009 (EST)

</3 :(--GoldenStar 17:03, 5 January 2009 (EST)

D: Tab 17:04, 5 January 2009 (EST)

<3 for the linebreaks--GoldenStar 17:12, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Rawrspike nab

Hao2polly? —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 09:59, 6 January 2009 (EST)

"Or you can do what I do mostly and basically just pick your spike targets at random." - Polly on QQForums, paraphrased because my memory is bad and I can't be assed finding the link. - Misery Is Friendly 10:01, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Ok, I'm totally lying so I will quote him properly so I don't get angry Danes on my case: "you can chose to randomly spike things and hope they die, or have the experience to judge which spikes can kill which targets, and the timing to work around good monks.

You can also randomly send things back against splits, or have the experience to know what works against which splits and the timing to utilize your movement at the right times so that you end up an in advantageous map position (think chess)." - Misery Is Friendly 10:11, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Chess is serious fucking business compared to gw. 217.120.228.192 10:14, 6 January 2009 (EST)

SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY SPIKE IN 3 2 1 FRENZY Tab 10:26, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Rawrspike

tbh, i want to lrn also kk thnx, and is you hav char named "Plz Press T A B" or something with T A B in it? u might b in mah alliance--—Daɽkɘʃʂ ӍcÇɧaoʂmonǥɘɼ 14:36, 6 January 2009 (EST)

His IGN is Press Tab Plz and he's not in your alliance :< Rickyvantof 14:37, 6 January 2009 (EST)

U MAD? Tab 14:38, 6 January 2009 (EST)

theres now a prerequiste that you can press your spike assist skill on 1 Tab 07:01, 3 January 2009 (EST) 217.120.228.192 14:40, 6 January 2009 (EST)

/wave mr brandnew Tab 14:42, 6 January 2009 (EST)

If it's so easy why did we lose 9 out of 10? D: Rickyvantof 14:42, 6 January 2009 (EST)

osht. 217.120.228.192 14:43, 6 January 2009 (EST)

See the prerequiste I added after that. Tab 14:44, 6 January 2009 (EST)

@ ricky, stfu i asked tab not you --—Daɽkɘʃʂ ӍcÇɧaoʂmonǥɘɼ 15:18, 6 January 2009 (EST)

pawn to e4

o_O JebusMcPachirisu 15:38, 6 January 2009 (EST)

gg tab

spam my acc more? --—Daɽkɘʃʂ ӍcÇɧaoʂmonǥɘɼ 15:41, 6 January 2009 (EST)

sure Tab 15:42, 6 January 2009 (EST)

PWN E5

1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 Bg4 3. b3 Nd7 4. Bb2 e6 5. Bg2 Ngf6 6. O-O c6 7. d3 Bd6 8. Nbd2 O-O 9. h3 Bh5 10. e3 h6 11. Qe1 Qa5 12. a3 Bc7 13. Nh4 g5 14. Nhf3 e5 15. e4 Rfe8 16. Nh2 Qb6 17. Qc1 a5 18. Re1 Bd6 19. Ndf1 dxe4 20. dxe4 Bc5 21. Ne3 Rad8 22. Nhf1 g4 23. hxg4 Nxg4 24. f3 Nxe3 25. Nxe3 Be7 26. Kh1 Bg5 27. Re2 a4 28. b4 f5 29. exf5 e4 30. f4 Bxe2 31. fxg5 Ne5 32. g6 Bf3 33. Bc3 Qb5 34. Qf1 Qxf1+ 35. Rxf1 h5 36. Kg1 Kf8 37. Bh3 b5 38. Kf2 Kg7 39. g4 Kh6 40. Rg1 hxg4 41. Bxg4 Bxg4 42. Nxg4+ Nxg4+ 43. Rxg4 Rd5 44. f6 Rd1 45. g7 Black Resigned JebusMcPachirisu 15:45, 6 January 2009 (EST)

wat Tab 17:38, 6 January 2009 (EST)

idk either, but i can get u a taiwan guild tag for the rawrspike guild if u actually CREATE one and i am in it --—Daɽkɘʃʂ ӍcÇɧaoʂmonǥɘɼ 19:00, 6 January 2009 (EST)

WAIT I KNOW "Pawn to e5" thats a chess movement, white vs black, white one cause as u clearly see...white was winning and raped black [duh] --—Daɽkɘʃʂ ӍcÇɧaoʂmonǥɘɼ 20:34, 6 January 2009 (EST)

wow ur smart --Mafaraxas (talk) 21:52, 6 January 2009 (EST)

...why did black resign? (besides his last move being retarded)--Mafaraxas (talk) 22:54, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Because white can promote and force Mate or the loss of a Rook. Something like: 46. ... Rd7 47. g8=Q Rxg8 48. Rxg8. Then Black's basically one rook and a bunch of stuck pawns vs rook, bishop, and a fairly easily promotable pawn. - 05:03, 7 January 2009 (EST)

ups, i need to play chess more. i thought the situation was still salvageable from there. still, black's last move was retarded. --Mafaraxas (talk) 09:25, 7 January 2009 (EST)

^. Not sure what his plan was. - 09:27, 7 January 2009 (EST)

Question ive been wondering for a year now

Why tab?--ChristmasRelyk 21:57, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Rally-kupo! — Skakid Rally- kupo! 21:58, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Rally-kupo! PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 22:50, 6 January 2009 (EST)

btw wut is rally-kupo! Its very catchy PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 00:29, 7 January 2009 (EST)

Instead of being retarded and making everyone hate you for trying to be cool, lurk. - Misery Is Friendly 03:22, 7 January 2009 (EST)

"We had a 1000 damage spike and barely got over 250 at times..." - PvX spikes, doing it wrong. Frosty po! 06:48, 7 January 2009 (EST)

wut. --71.229 06:49, 7 January 2009 (EST)

wut. Frosty po! 06:54, 7 January 2009 (EST)

For future reference, on the count of 1 you are not supposed to start fapping. - Misery Is Friendly 07:23, 7 January 2009 (EST)

So why Tab? Misery needs to stop trolling by the way, someone ban him--ChristmasRelyk 11:01, 8 January 2009 (EST)

He is Tab because that is the name by which people refer to him. Why does there have to be a reason? I'm Misery because that is what people started calling me. People just started calling me names before I had a PvX account. - Misery Is Friendly 11:05, 8 January 2009 (EST)

You're wrong Mizzles. He is called Tab because his IGN is Press Tab Plz (or something similar). As in, when you target him, you press Tab to switch to another target. Quite witty. Rickyvantof 11:06, 8 January 2009 (EST)

^. Made a PvE monk with Tab in it, everyone started calling me Tab. Tab 11:08, 8 January 2009 (EST)

That's an interesting story Ibreaktoilets, please continue Frosty po! 11:10, 8 January 2009 (EST)

Then we did AB with Napalm, and laughed alot because his voice is terrible. Tab 11:12, 8 January 2009 (EST)

Napalm told us (me and Rawr) a story to try and make him look cool. The moment he said "this one time on 4chan" Rawr and I laughed at him very long. Rickyvantof 11:14, 8 January 2009 (EST)

It was funnier when you told the counterstory lool. Rawrawr Dinosaur 11:26, 8 January 2009 (EST)

About me and my mates raiding Sesame Street and punching Bigbird in the stomach? :D Rickyvantof 11:27, 8 January 2009 (EST)

Wasn't there this one time you left him in a channel for 50 minutes and he didn't stop talking? Frosty po! 11:28, 8 January 2009 (EST)

^ I was there then. Rawr was pveing with him, he talked to himself about what drops he'd got from farming for over a hour, without us saying anything. Tab 11:29, 8 January 2009 (EST)

I remember Rawr and you laughing at him D: Rickyvantof 11:34, 8 January 2009 (EST)

i thought you were named tab becuase of I Break Toilets is tab backwards --—Daɽkɘʃʂ ӍcÇɧaoʂmonǥɘɼ 14:34, 8 January 2009 (EST)

No, that's why people call me Rim, MIseRy. - Misery Is Friendly 14:37, 8 January 2009 (EST)

lmao Rawrawr Dinosaur 14:39, 8 January 2009 (EST)

Karate jesUS is why people say I suk at GW.....or it could be cuz I suck at GW. 18:46, 7 January 2009 14:40, 8 January 2009 (EST)

kupo!-Crossfire XIV 15:34, 9 January 2009 (EST)

tabbles

y u h8 me QQ JebusMcPachirisu 15:03, 12 January 2009 (EST)

We all do its not just tab Frosty po! 15:04, 12 January 2009 (EST)

T_T JebusMcPachirisu 15:04, 12 January 2009 (EST)

Here is a cute monkey to console you.

Tab 15:12, 12 January 2009 (EST)

I thank you, good sir. It is much cute. JebusMcPachirisu 15:42, 12 January 2009 (EST)

o tabbensmith (sorry if i spell it wrong)

but, HALP! —Daɽkɘʃʂ ӍcÇɧaoʂmonǥɘɼ ^{Help me plz!!!} 17:07, 13 January 2009 (EST)

wat Tab 17:12, 13 January 2009 (EST)

mah sig click the halp --—Daɽkɘʃʂ ӍcÇɧaoʂmonǥɘɼ ^{Help me plz!!!} 17:15, 13 January 2009 (EST)

dont help eleballers sorry Tab 17:19, 13 January 2009 (EST)

=fuk u

I Am Jebus

Last edit: 16:04, 13 Jan 2009 (EST)

Lacks the healing power of RC and Spellbreaker Mo/P takes care of hexes with Deny just fine. This has long recharge, RC doesnt. Removing hex/condi stacks at the same time is nice, but RC just handles conditions better and spellbreak handles hexes better.

Hello. I may be able to help you deal with your problems if you give me a clue as to what they are. Have a nice day. Tab 06:24, 14 January 2009 (EST)

gud 1s

Not really. - 06:39, 14 January 2009 (EST)

• On Build talk:R/Mo Cripshot(rating): Not good at all. Not enough damage. May work if you have a fire elle. Rangers usually 1v1 in PvP so this isnt that good. Abomb7894 was a good one Tab 06:40, 14 January 2009 (EST)

The most common quote on that page is that Cripshot doesn't do a fuckton of direct damage. That one doesn't stand out in any way. - 06:50, 14 January 2009 (EST)

It's epically stupid quotes, not epically stupid quotes that are all unique. Saying Cripshot is bad unless you have fire ele support and rangers are a 1v1 class is pretty stupid. I'll remove the terrible quotes once I've eaten. Tab 07:00, 14 January 2009 (EST)

They don't have to be unique, just epic. If a dozen people came on and said that cripshot is bad and then gave stupid suggestions on how to get more damage out of it they all wouldn't be epic. Saying you need fire ele support and that rangers are a 1v1 class isn't memorable or exceptionally stupid. - 07:08, 14 January 2009 (EST)

theres sheep on ur talkpage InfestedHydralisk 19:09, 17 January 2009 (EST)

Correct good sir. Tab 19:12, 17 January 2009 (EST)

--Mafaraxas (talk) 14:14, 21 January 2009 (EST)

+1, but I'd already done it :< Tab 14:21, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Strong use of paint. Rickyvantof 14:37, 21 January 2009 (EST)

how I did it, I pointed to what I was on about earlier Tab 14:41, 21 January 2009 (EST)

DENSITY IS LIKE MASS DIVIDED BY SURFACE AM I RIGHT GUYS? Rickyvantof 14:44, 21 January 2009 (EST)

moo Tab 14:45, 21 January 2009 (EST)

That looks right. when you said integral-ish i got all eager wanting to do integrals. Yours looks alot more like taking lim h→0 ... which i guess is calculus too. --Mafaraxas (talk) 23:27, 21 January 2009 (EST)

and ricky, zzz, l2density. that's why we used different symbols; i used sigma for mass/area, tab used rho for mass/volume. people usually use lambda for mass/length. might be different in europe. --Mafaraxas (talk) 23:31, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Wuts physics?--File:Relyk sig747.JPGRelyk_||_I hammers u! 23:57, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Meh, I tried it with integrals at first, splitting it into rings and summing them up etc, but I was too lazy to solve the integral I got. Tab 08:47, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Your moogles

Feel free to change the name of any you dont like: [18] - 08:42, 22 January 2009 (EST)

OBABY! Monty the Moogle time Tab 08:44, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Hai

can i lrn2spike assist @ 1?(third time asking QQ)PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 10:45, 22 January 2009 (EST)

if you want, im playing moogle tactics more than gw atm though Tab 10:46, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Which title in the series?PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 10:47, 22 January 2009 (EST)

adv 2 Tab 10:47, 22 January 2009 (EST)

And your teambuild?PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 10:49, 22 January 2009 (EST)

6 moogle knights Tab 10:52, 22 January 2009 (EST)

If only moogles had access to illusion.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 10:53, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Leave a message on my talkpage or something when you decide to lrn me to rawrspiek. =)PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 12:23, 22 January 2009 (EST)

chances are ill forget tbh Tab 12:23, 22 January 2009 (EST)

press 1 when the caller tells you to. now you know how to rawrspike, congrats. Rickyvantof 12:25, 22 January 2009 (EST)

IF ITS SO EASY THEN HOWCOME OUR SPIKES TOOK UNPROTTED MONKS TO 80% WITH YOU ON RIT MR VANTOF Tab 12:30, 22 January 2009 (EST)

dats wai i nid to lrn hao2 rwarspiek.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 12:35, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Because it was a PvX team, mainly. Rickyvantof 12:36, 22 January 2009 (EST)

normally i would argue the validity of a comment like that, but in this case there isnt much to argue :< Gringo 12:38, 22 January 2009 (EST)

upload a mouse painted yellow--Relyk_||_I hammers u! 11:29, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Brave sir Tab

Do your mog-knights have ultima powerz? If so might I suggest that you turn them all into gunnerz and shoot ultima shots across the fields to win matches.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 12:44, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Thats what I actually do, sadly I have only levelled one moogle so far. He is a strong Stopshot/Ultima Charge spamming moogle. Tab 12:46, 22 January 2009 (EST)

strong. very strong.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 12:49, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Stardust =).PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 12:50, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Illusionist shit costs too much MP tbh, Red Mage/Summoner with Doublecast+Blood Price+Maduin = pew pew pew pew pew Tab 12:52, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Bring the clan ability Channeling, train half-mp and they stardust every single turn.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 12:54, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Whats moogle? --Anonimous. D: 12:52, 22 January 2009 (EST)

HEY ANONIMOUS YOURE A FUCKING FAGGOT Tab 12:53, 22 January 2009 (EST)

meh, illusionists with half mp are OK. I prefer paladins with double sword and reflex. Although I always have a strong double cast Summoner. My favorite are the gunners.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 12:54, 22 January 2009 (EST)

SECONDED.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 12:54, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Geomancy Parivir is pwrfl, your 0 MP elemental attacks do similar damage to Ultimas. Tab 12:55, 22 January 2009 (EST)

I totally forgot about Parivirs! They rape.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 12:56, 22 January 2009 (EST)

If you have 6 illusionists, with the above-mentioned strategy, it's pretty much a OTK. Stardust is like map range ultima.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 12:57, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Lol laws. screen range attacks arent nearly as brave :<----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 12:58, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Kupo-po! Tab 13:00, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Screw bravery when ur strong.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 13:00, 22 January 2009 (EST)

omgf nob lrn ply gam Tab 13:01, 22 January 2009 (EST)

nou.Pika[[User_talk:Pika_Fan|Fan]File:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 13:02, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Lol anti-target all law wtfpwned. ----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 13:05, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Use black magic then. If you don't have the ga/ra spells by then urbad anyway. Or sagacity. PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 13:10, 22 January 2009 (EST)

moogles can be black mages! Tab 13:12, 22 January 2009 (EST)

ff sux Rickyvantof 13:13, 22 January 2009 (EST)

nou.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 13:13, 22 January 2009 (EST)

FUCK YOU!----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 13:15, 22 January 2009 (EST)

lern play dum nob Rickyvantof 13:15, 22 January 2009 (EST)

fial lass dum nobPikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 13:45, 22 January 2009 (EST)

<image of pichu>

Pika-Pi, but who makes these? ---Chaos- 06:08, 23 January 2009 (EST)

go away --Mafaraxas (talk) 09:38, 23 January 2009 (EST)

pichus dont say pika u dum nobr lrn play Rickyvantof 09:54, 23 January 2009 (EST)

Geomancy + Parivir fills me with great joy.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 22:09, 23 January 2009 (EST)

Magic frenzy tbh. ¬ «Ðêjh» (talk) 00:21, 24 January 2009 (EST)

omgf u mad or u bad? Tab 17:31, 26 January 2009 (EST)

I ask myself that question every day. ¬ «Ðêjh» (talk) 18:00, 26 January 2009 (EST)

just say both and u would never have to ask urself that question again InfestedHydralisk 18:10, 26 January 2009 (EST)

Half mp + Mp Channeling!!!!1!!1!!11!11!onePikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 07:35, 27 January 2009 (EST)

Not all of us cba to grind clan titles until we get that. --Mafaraxas (talk) 10:07, 27 January 2009 (EST)

It's not hard. Did it on my first try. Just skip to the MP channeling clan title quest.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 10:14, 27 January 2009 (EST)

moo Tab 10:22, 27 January 2009 (EST)

Moo, to. --ϲɽоω ɱϲɑɳǥɽƴɗɽɑɡоɳ 11:17, 27 January 2009 (EST)

c co Tab 11:29, 27 January 2009 (EST)

cba to sift through gamefaqs. I thought the rewards for clan title quests were random. --Mafaraxas (talk) 12:53, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Are we playing the same game? :xPikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 13:16, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Or you could just hack the game and give yourself what ever you wanted... oh wait.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 14:09, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 2. If the clan bonus reward for clan title quests isn't random, then I still don't know which one corresponds to Channeling. If they're random, i cba to grind them until i get Channeling. --Mafaraxas (talk) 16:24, 28 January 2009 (EST)

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wtf? Tab 09:58, 28 January 2009 (EST)

wtf? Rickyvantof 10:23, 28 January 2009 (EST)

wtf? 13:30, 28 January 2009

wtf? ---Chaos- 13:43, 28 January 2009 (EST)

wtf? Frosty po! 13:47, 28 January 2009 (EST)

wtf? -- Liger414 talk 13:55, 28 January 2009 (EST)

wtf? — nou Rally- kupo! 13:57, 28 January 2009 (EST)

wtf? ---Chaos- 14:04, 28 January 2009 (EST)

wtf? -- 14:05, 28 January 2009

wtf? Tab 14:07, 28 January 2009 (EST)

wtf? --Anonimous. D: 14:08, 28 January 2009 (EST)

wtf?-- Liger414 talk contributions 14:13, 28 January 2009 (EST)

wtf?PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 14:16, 28 January 2009 (EST)

wtf? -- Liger414 talk contributions 14:17, 28 January 2009 (EST)

wtf? --Anonimous. D: 14:20, 28 January 2009 (EST)

wtf? --—Daɽkɘʃʂ ӍcÇɧaoʂmonǥɘɼ ^{Help me plz!!!} 14:54, 28 January 2009 (EST)

In a related matter
File:Raccoon sex is the best.png
yay 16:13, 28 January 2009

awww :( -- 16:25, 28 January 2009

Imageshack it tbh. Tab 16:27, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Awww. why did Dont delete it? 16:39, 28 January 2009

Because he's a terrible admin. I'm assuming it was a badly drawn racoon having sex in an incredibly non-graphic way. Tab 16:41, 28 January 2009 (EST)

It was a portal-ish graphic looking guy with a black and white raccoon positioned in front of him. The most graphic thing was his abs. 16:44, 28 January 2009

thats pretty graphic --—Daɽkɘʃʂ ӍcÇɧaoʂmonǥɘɼ ^{Help me plz!!!} 17:05, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Long image names ftw
File:Man playing with his pet raccoon (please don't mistake for raccoon sex).png
$20 says Dont erases this one too. 17:09, 28 January 2009

$20 says he bans you too because he's a nigger. Oh, I'll probably get banned too. Tab 17:13, 28 January 2009 (EST)

For what? Calling him a nigger? 17:14, 28 January 2009

That was the whole point of his sentence — Skakid Rally- kupo! 17:17, 28 January 2009 (EST)

I still think it looks like a man gently petting his raccoon. Nothing wrong with that. 17:19, 28 January 2009

moar redlinks, huzzah! 17:57, 28 January 2009

fawk, i missed it again --—Daɽkɘʃʂ ӍcÇɧaoʂmonǥɘɼ ^{Help me plz!!!} 19:08, 28 January 2009 (EST)

post to external site then we dig through history to find the link when it gets sensured. ---Chaos- 06:52, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Post it on the forum tbh. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 07:08, 29 January 2009 (EST)

lol, the forum. - (talk) 07:10, 29 January 2009 (EST)

There's some golden stuff in that forum. Like pussy kitten. - 07:12, 29 January 2009 (EST)

[20]

Tab 12:34, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Lulz Spaggage talk 12:54, 29 January 2009 (EST)

that's some serious superstition. ---Chaos- 13:07, 29 January 2009 (EST)

tbh needs more rape --—Daɽkɘʃʂ ӍcÇɧaoʂmonǥɘɼ ^{Help me plz!!!} 14:24, 29 January 2009 (EST)

they arrested cute mcgoat D: Image:GodlyCompanion-cube.jpg 14:36, 29 January 2009 (EST)

D: Tab 10:59, 30 January 2009 (EST)

[21]]

— Skakid Rally- kupo! 15:55, 29 January 2009 (EST)

I was gonna say it needs more rape, but pic 10 took care of that. 15:57, 29 January 2009

i want those, now -- 16:01, 29 January 2009

pic 17 is like wasnt me! InfestedHydralisk 16:03, 29 January 2009 (EST)

obaby mcso, i was going to link you to those cute mcpandas once you came on :> Tab 16:08, 29 January 2009 (EST)

i want one --—Daɽkɘʃʂ ӍcÇɧaoʂmonǥɘɼ ^{Help me plz!!!} 17:28, 29 January 2009 (EST)

You can't have one. Their livers are delicious. 17:30, 29 January 2009

i didnt know you could eat an endangered species' organ --—Daɽkɘʃʂ ӍcÇɧaoʂmonǥɘɼ ^{Help me plz!!!} 18:17, 29 January 2009 (EST)

hes a wildman InfestedHydralisk 18:22, 29 January 2009 (EST)

SOMEBODY HAS BEEN MAKING GOOD USE OF THEIR TIME

Tab 15:15, 30 January 2009 (EST)

what InfestedHydralisk 15:22, 30 January 2009 (EST)

the InfestedHydralisk 15:22, 30 January 2009 (EST)

fuck InfestedHydralisk 15:22, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Impressive.......... Rickyvantof 20:50, 30 January 2009 (EST)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Urhixidur
go suck his cock pvxers, he bothered to learn a fabricated language other than klingon. --Mafaraxas (talk) 21:25, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Elvish from Lord of the Rings? --- Ressmonkey (talk) 21:26, 30 January 2009 (EST)

He's not human. -StarSeeker 06:40, 31 January 2009 (EST)

Screens

of piplup shaped DS stylus or it didn't happen--GoldenStar 10:19, 31 January 2009 (EST)

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=69547 ups. although they're massive faggots and apparently choose your stylus at random. --Mafaraxas (talk) 01:57, 3 February 2009 (EST)

(Block log); 16:02 . . Phenaxkian (Talk | contribs) (blocked "User:Cute McMonkey" with an expiry time of infinite: sock)

It is time we took action. — Skakid Rally- kupo! 15:03, 31 January 2009 (EST)

D: Image:GodlyCompanion-cube.jpg 15:05, 31 January 2009 (EST)

I foresee drama with a 60% assurance rate.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 15:07, 31 January 2009 (EST)

Agree. Tab 04:45, 2 February 2009 (EST)

What the fuck is this?

I leave, there's a recession, Britney gets a successful single, and theres a nigger in office? What fail. You guys couldnt run a shitty wiki about a dead game, let alone the world.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 16:15, 3 February 2009 (EST)

moomoo Tab 16:19, 3 February 2009 (EST)

word. apology accepted.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 17:07, 3 February 2009 (EST)

This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

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to — Skakid Rally- kupo! 18:23, 17 January 2009 (EST)

:o) --71.229 10:24, 6 February 2009 (EST)

/wave mr 71 Tab 10:24, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Rickyvantof 10:25, 6 February 2009 (EST)

poPikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 10:26, 6 February 2009 (EST)

/wave mr monkey Tab 10:26, 6 February 2009 (EST)

/wave Rickyvantof 10:27, 6 February 2009 (EST)

/wave mr pikachu Tab 10:28, 6 February 2009 (EST)

/wave <3 all10:29, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Tab is skilled in the arts of drawing. Rickyvantof 10:30, 6 February 2009 (EST)

such a strong woopervantof Tab 10:31, 6 February 2009 (EST)

It's a shame the original was taken off. How was that a copyvio anyway, it had my face D:

Also Rickyvantof 10:32, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Cute McShotgunsheep Tab 10:33, 6 February 2009 (EST)

10:35, 6 February 2009 (EST)

frogachu? Tab 10:37, 6 February 2009 (EST)

No...it's a crazy pikachu.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 10:39, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Pikachu's drawing skills cannot compete against Tab's gift in arts D: Rickyvantof 10:40, 6 February 2009 (EST)

- 10:41, 6 February 2009 (EST)

/wave mr sad carrot Tab 10:42, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Rickyvantof 10:42, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Rickyvantof 10:47, 6 February 2009 (EST)

A very cute (but shocked) mcmonkey. Tab 10:48, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Image:GodlyCompanion-cube.jpg 13:59, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Frosty po! 14:16, 6 February 2009 (EST)

is the only suitable response for such a good pic. Tab 14:19, 6 February 2009 (EST)

hey tab

cry more, srsly -Auron 03:40, 8 February 2009 (EST)

what he means is that we miss all the random things you have to say. Killer Hasy 22:20, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Are you in RA right now?

saw a pvp char named Push Tab Again. Figured it was you (I hope not, he wasn't very good). (→21:30, 12 February 2009 - )

Nup, that guy sucked pretty bad, ive seen him. tab doesnt ra, she does ta--Relyk 04:30, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Tab does PvE Rickyvantof 05:24, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Thats not funny, pve is srs bsns--relyk 02:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Frosty po! 03:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

po

I be finding more pokemans and I will put them on your userpage if you would so like it.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 14:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

ill just leave this here

--Oj▲mo 17:57, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

woah auron isnt deleting these, woot --Darklɘs McChaosmongɘr 19:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

No longer copyvio. crazycow 19:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

whut?! explain --Darklɘs McChaosmongɘr 19:15, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

They're linked from other websites, like on forums. Rickyvantof 19:19, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

orite --Darklɘs McChaosmongɘr 19:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

tabbymoo Frosty po! 23:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

fix me plx :< Tab 23:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

:< I can't :< Just wait untill Tech Team is on the case ;o Frosty po! 23:33, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Frosty po! 03:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Question

Why do people run monk primaries for LoD smiters if mesmer primaries only have 1 damage difference with SoH but stand a better chance vs interrupts? Is it because of the reduced healing from LoD?PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 12:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

less healing, less damage from all the skills, cant take a stance, nobody wants to have to make a pve mes and pve chars>pvp chars Tab 12:45, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

K tyvm.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 12:46, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

What about Cunning McSwift? D: Rickyvantof 12:47, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

cba to do gwen until someone makes me a non-shit and non-boring build Tab 12:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Ineptitude.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 12:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

We can still do charr campaign together D: Rickyvantof 12:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

cba to cap it and crow has all my money atm Tab 12:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Elite mes tomes are cheap and I have one.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 12:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I have three elite monk tomes. They're cheap also, quite easy to find for 5k each. ~ Tycn 12:51, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

And what has that got to do with ineptitude?PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 12:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Ineptitude is just as boring. PvE mesmer is pointless as it defeats the purpose of mesmer. ~ Tycn 12:57, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, I am quite sad because Tab will not talk to me in GW. ~ Tycn 12:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Only viable PvE Mesmer build is one that abuses Cry of Pain most or one that uses a pet. Rickyvantof 13:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Was eating D: my monks already got all the elites though :< Tab 13:01, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

+condi insigan's, imo. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 16:31, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Dear Tab

I hope you enjoy the piplup I put on your userpages.

Yours sincerely,

PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 13:09, 22 February 2009 (UTC) Bold text

so

you got your will through :> ---Chaos- 15:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

lol

Yeah... then he went on to enlighten me about the fact that Soul Reaping and Fire Magic are, in fact, NOT overpowered, and Palm Strike is in no way abusable. Sadly, I was laughing too hard at that point to take a screencap. --    Gah     QQ  ·  I did wut?!   21:54, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

so uh....how is this of any importance to me? Tab 21:54, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Because everyone on pvx is your best mate. Lord of all tyria 21:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Because everyone on pvx visits your page. --    Gah     QQ  ·  I did wut?!   22:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

"giving dark chaos an edit conflict"

gg you did DX --Darklɘs McChaosmongɘr 22:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

"This new edit window is fucking retarded"

You know you can go back to the old edit window by clicking "Wikitext source" or whatever it is, at the left end of the bar? ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 21:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I did. Doesn't stop that new window and whoever designed it being fucking retarded though. Tab 21:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I disabled that bullshit in preferences. It's so fucking retarded. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 03:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Uh.. Where there do I disable it? If it's under "editing" then I don't see it. ---Chaos- 12:22, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

it's the next to last option or so. Something about "Disable Rich Text". First thing I did too. - 12:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Looks normal. Thanks. ---Chaos- 12:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

fuck yes. Awesome. Godbox 13:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I want adds to be gone and my editing window to get shorter again. --Anonimous. D: 14:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

adblockadblockadblockadblock. I haven't seen these ad's yet. shorter edit window, hmm? ---Chaos- 14:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Edit wondow is still long and narrow. --Anonimous. D: 14:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Mine is short and wide :> see your preferences. ---Chaos- 14:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't tell you how to make the adds disappear and the window full sized again, it would reduce revenue. *cough* ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 16:41, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I used a fixed-width div on my userpage to stop it from forcing line breaks even if you dont have your personal css set up :> - 16:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I meant that there is some policy somewhere that says other builds don't get archives. :> Brandnew. 11:26, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

This. Brandnew. 11:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

policies are for noobers, we've archived plenty of other/testing builds before. policies are guidelines, not rules set in stone. Tab 11:31, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Then why would they be called policies eh?;o w/e, I didn't know it had seen a lot of play, so. Brandnew. 11:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

NOW I CAN BE THE GREATEST WARRIOR IN GUILD WARS

Tab 16:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

oh freakin baby 16:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

who wants to go onto their vent and pronounce aegis 'ayjis' instead of 'eejis'? I get the feeling it'd drive him insane. --Mafaraxas 19:31, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

SO MUCH NEW STUFF I DIDNT KNOW, AMAZING InfestedHydralisk 23:44, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

woah this guy seems like srs bsns --Darklɘs McChaosmongɘr 13:31, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Guild:Omg Who Put This Pig On My Cape, currently recruiting. Misery Says Moo 13:33, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

They wouldn't let me in because I used hammer bash on recharge hoping it would hit through lightning reflexes so I never had enough adrenaline to dev hammer. I got quite the talking to after that match :< - 13:40, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Kind of hard when your caller calls a full spike like every 2 seconds :/ Brandnew. 13:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Panic is just that good. Misery Says Moo 13:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

lol im hittin u wif mah power attack 14:34, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

...if the enemy monk is using ee-jis, and by the way, that is how you pronounce it, no matter what those people on ventrilo tell you...

uɐɟɐʞıd 14:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it is pronounced "ayjis". See, in English, that letter A sounds like "ay", get it? It's really quite simple. Grind a few more dictionary words and I'm sure you'll be able to get your English title up to the next rank. GG. 75.67.208.212 06:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

That IP just failed so hard on so many levels. Misery Says Moo 08:11, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't PvP and I know he failed just by listening to him. "Maybe one day you'll even beat me" -- I lol'd irl. -- lyssan 20:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Tabbels the very very very very very very very very very very very very kind!

Crowels is scanning his comp now ;o. --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 22:21, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

i will be making you a van morrison themed sig shortly crowels Tab 22:26, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I await the sig with much enthusiasm ;o. --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 23:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Build:Rt/P Spear of Remedy

So I see that you've removed one of my votes.. "Reason: meh, wouldnt say its that good Removed by: Tab." Really? That's the reason? Look, I've played essentially this build (I prefer Rez Sig for RA over Weapon of Warding) pretty much since the release of Nightfall. People argue and gripe about the supposed mechanics of it, but the fact is that out of the huge number of builds on this wiki that I've played over the years, this build has simply been the most consistently successful in Random Arenas. Consistency of winning is the key here, and even the monk builds I've played over the years haven't been as consistent. If you want to call me bad, I don't give a damn, but even the Great-rated multiple 5-rated builds have not the consistency that this does in the RA format.

Of course, this was prior to the drastic changes that it has undergone in the last two days, which removed it from CM and re-added RA. These greatly change its intended purpose, and in my eyes made it far, far weaker. With the modifications thus far, it is has changed into a healer with spear attacks. You're shifting the focus from a build that is more oriented towards letting its team outlast its opponents in several different ways to that of a support healer with a few spear attacks. I don't know that you care, but I do. The problem people had with the old build is that they kept trying to make it into a support healer with some spear attacks (out-of-game and sometimes in it what kind of idiot just spams the Vengeful/Weapon of Remedy when trying to keep someone alive when there's Mend Body and Soul? ugh, those are there primarily for damage), when that was never the real point. Now, that's what it has become with just a few skill changes... - Greven 22:36, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Lol, you really gave this much of a crap over a questionable RA build? --☭Guild*talk* 22:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

tl;dr, my removal basically invited you to revote with a slightly lower score. be glad i saved it from getting trashed. Tab 22:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Read the archive....yes, yes he does. 22:48, 3 March 2009

a build is a build, it does not matter what the category is InfestedHydralisk 23:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

what does that have to do with this? 23:44, 3 March 2009

Lol, you really gave this much of a crap over a questionable RA build? --☭Guild*talk* 22:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC) InfestedHydralisk 23:46, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, late response threw me. 23:47, 3 March 2009

KJ got his inspiration from my sig. :3 02:25, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Jebus got his inspiration from religion. God is good m8s. Biggles Strongfist™ Sysop 07:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Your religion got it's inspiriation from me. I'm serious fucking business. 192.87.100.66 09:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

In response to Greven: GW. Srs bsns. Rage PvX and go bake some muffins. 128.255.216.144 23:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I miss you (and your hot sister) Cedave. Where the fuck have you been? 23:43, 5 March 2009

That's what a goon would say, Cedave. Guild of Deals, I'm sorry that you can't apparently type anything ever, for this is not a particularly long or time-intensive chunk of writing. Tab, you've changed the build into something that is far worse than what it was. I don't see why I should be thankful of anything. I merely try to preserve some useful builds that I've seen to be far stronger than certain contributors here believe to be the case. Let's review a bit of history:

This build has had multiple rewrites; initially, it was well enough received when I submitted it anonymously, and several months later Zuranthium apparently modified it. It accumulated a huge number of votes and eventually moved into the Good category. I didn't take notice of it again until when Goldenstar removed something like 9 votes for the express purpose of hijacking the vote and trashing the build, some 6 months after its last change. Then, Skakid9090 modified it once again but nothing happened with that.

So finally, it was reverted pretty much to its original form (Weapon of Warding instead of Rez Sig) by Supa tim. Some people are apparently determined to undermine this site's voting process, and submit 1s because they can't stand the fact that other builds exist. I dared to rate it a 4, hell it's still the most consistent build for winning RA that I've played including the various mainstream monk builds.

This leads us to now. Tab, you modified the build again and completely changed its purpose. Maiming Spear is essentially useless here, as it for one thing eats 5 energy and for another... it's RA. Your teammates aren't going to kite 95% of the time. Wielder's Boon is not really suited for use with Weapon of Remedy, which means you'd be using it in combination with Resilient Weapon. This renders Weapon of Remedy fairly pointless.

Hell, you haven't even fully rewritten the article and people still vote it down.

I try, I do. I'm calm and generally don't initiate attacks, though I might respond to them. This process however is broken until people are willing to enforce it. Trying to tell people that Weapon of Remedy / Vengeful Weapon being spammed on a person under focused attack is not primarily meant to save that person but to kill the enemy just doesn't seem to get through, though. "It's a Rit Healer with a spear" and all that. - Greven 02:59, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

tl;dr Just stop Greven. The build has been trashed. Let it go. 03:04, 6 March 2009

Again, you are wrong. - Greven 03:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Seriosly, let it go. It's one build. Tab doesn't care obviously, he won't read even longer walls of text. --69.141.238.79 03:21, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Why? It's not the first "it's one build." - Greven 03:33, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Tabbles po. Biggles Strongfist™ Sysop 03:33, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Also it's 'one build' because it's a generally unfocused and not very good build. If it's trashed, it's trashed. Builds relegated to the 'other' section are generally not used anyways. This build existing merely for the sake of existing is wrong. You're falsely believing that it should be saved from trash, when in essence, it doesn't. Drop the walls of text. Leave Tab alone about the build. There's other build masters on the site, and they all agree that it's 1. Trash or 2. Not very impressive. I'm going to end this right here. Stop posting here. Now. Biggles Strongfist™ Sysop 03:38, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

BIGGLES RRRRRAAAAAGGGGGEEEEE. Life 03:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello Greven. I don't care in the slightest about this, and I'm not going to attempt to read anything you've written. Have a nice day. Tab 10:58, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

^-If it wasn't 7:00 in the morning that would be fucking hilarious.--ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 11:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh no I'm being threatened by sysops, I might lose my ability to go to this website and waste time trying to argue for the preservation of a build. Some threat. Tab changed this build to what it is now, which is bordering crap. If you don't care about it, then why did you change it so much, Tab? - Greven 18:13, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Being the childish and immature brat you are, you can't tell the difference between a request and a threat. We are requesting for you to stop. If you don't know what that means, it means to cease and desist posting on tab's talkpage. It is considered an act of harassment. Also, the build is pretty terrible, so please stfu about a bad build which nobody cares. It's not meta, and this is a site to reflect the meta. uɐɟɐʞıd 18:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Greven, you're making me want to vett the "Shut The Fuck Up" policy. Honestly, you've said 3 times in your tl;dr that you win more consistently with a shoddy restorit healer/spear hybrid than Mo/W's with completely OP defenses and ridiculous healing/prot abilities in an arena where PEOPLE RUN NOTHING BUT PROPHECIES SKILLS AND PLAY THEIR PVE ELES WITH 35 AL. Either you're bullshitting everyone here for the sake of looking like you fail at monking RA, or you actually do fail at monking RA. In the sake of not violating NPA, I'll leave it at lern2play. --Shazzydiddles 18:28, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

bad people itt Tab 18:39, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Did everyone not see me tell him to drop it? He did not drop it. See you in a week. Biggles Strongfist™ Sysop 19:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Grrr

it doesnt do the pic D:--Relyk 04:34, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Best. Picture. Ever. Biggles Strongfist™ Sysop 05:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Skip Beat much?uɐɟɐʞıd 06:28, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Tabbles, unban my GW account, I want to spew more racial expletives in RA with Rhys again. :< Biggles Strongfist™ Sysop 09:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I would, but I can't make a decision like that without it going through Crow first. And Crow is currently at school. Tab 09:50, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Skewl is 4 fewls. Biggles Strongfist™ Sysop 09:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I have to go to school in 25mins D: Tab 09:54, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I hope I get my FAFSA PIN number back soon or I'm screwed for spring classes. :> Biggles Strongfist™ Sysop 09:56, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Crow le fool? :< --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 16:15, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

moo? Tab 16:16, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

What

Was wrong with that vote? -- 16:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

You misspelt especially. Tab 16:52, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

lol but rly. -- 16:54, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Life Sheath is NOT great in arenas. Nice against PS sins, but that's about it, which you have slightly more time to react to removing cripple.uɐɟɐʞıd 17:27, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Not saying its great, gave it a 4-4. Conditions are pretty popular in RA and LS is nice for taking care of conditions quickly while also giving a bit of health back. -- 17:30, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

4-4 is pretty much great, but with shortcomings. Necros are very abundant in RA and 75% of them bring FF.uɐɟɐʞıd 17:39, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I rarely find FF necros, tbh. --- -- (contribs) (talk) 17:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

^ same -- 17:47, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Just because you don't play often enough doesn't mean that they don't exist in large groups. Also, even without FF necros you should not need to dedicate your elite to removing conditions. You lose a lot of red-bar power and powerful hex removals like WoH and PnH.uɐɟɐʞıd 17:58, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I play multiple hours everyday, and know enough to know that I rarely come across FF in RA. And if you can run a decent enough prot, 1 or 2 heals should be enough if your taking Gaurdian and everything you should be. -- 18:01, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Your "multiple hours" failed to let you notice that there have been a surge in eles and thus indirectly mesmers(bad ones, but mesmers nevertheless) ever since the buff to AoR.uɐɟɐʞıd 18:05, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Your point is? Did I not notice this? I voted the TA bsurge down because theres FF. I voted the RA one up because the lack of FF. It's pretty simple really. -- 23:18, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

My point is there is much more caster damage and pressure in the form of pure damage and hexes. If you have played RA recently, you would have clearly known this fact. However, you don't. Good day to you, I won't bother to reason with you since there isn't any way to convince you with the truth. P.S I never did say nor imply eles brought FF. At the very least, make an educated assumption. zzz I thought you were referring to luke's terrible FF ele. How very misleading.uɐɟɐʞıd 08:35, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Trust me, I've seen the influx of these things in RA. I've been running nukers in RA lately since the AoR buff myself too. And Luke made an FF ele? Why doesnt this surprise me? -- 12:06, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Cuz it's Luke I'm a member of MENSA Johnson. Big sysop 12:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Also, LS is anti-spike. uɐɟɐʞıd 13:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

moo tab smells. ~ Big sysop 00:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

It's misspelled tab--Relyk 02:48, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Relyk, you have pretty atrocious spelling to begin with. D: ~ Big sysop 04:27, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

it's either, actually Tab 11:56, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

lol at relyk making himself look retarded Rawrawr Dinosaur 13:11, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

You guys make me laugh :D--Relyk 23:57, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I

are sorrry for being a lamer. please accept these cte puppies as my token of apologies. 03:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

lol "euros"

14:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

How can you find such unfunny shit with such frightening regularity? Rawrawr Dinosaur 14:53, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

^ --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 15:24, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Moo

D: --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 22:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

tsn Tab 22:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

D tsk, cln. This is all Crowels' fault :< --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 22:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

d tivhaehcfstmqgwftgoc Tab 22:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

D po. Bai to, Crowels mcsleep. --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 22:57, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

c po! bai co, twstbhdndtbhivsahcfwiwhcnpgwatsn Tab 22:58, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

to, co skakid9090 23:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

so Tab

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the sad part is he wasnt trying to enrage the author D:--Relyk 23:54, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

:o) --71.229 09:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

:o) Tab 09:23, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

:o)--ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 15:06, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

:o) ~ Big sysop 15:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

:o) 18:42, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

:o) --Darklɘs McChaosmongɘr 20:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

:o) -- Star of Exile talk  20:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Tlg

Quack :> --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 21:55, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

''< Tab 22:20, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

QQ doesn't wear a cape do they? sup 100 gold @ guild creator.

wat Tab 11:48, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

letting people tagleech QQ for 10k Brandnew. 11:50, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

wat Tab 11:50, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

You are letting people tagleech QQ for 10k while QQ doesn't wear a cape, so you might as well go to the guild creator and create your own guild with the tag [QQ] for 100g. Brandnew. 11:52, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

wat Tab 11:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

QQ has a cape, just no trim ;o. real QQ>fake QQ. Not only do you get to tagleech, you get to claim to baddies in RA that you are crange, which will earn you a great amount of respect! Tab 11:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

- 12:09, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

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quack! ''> Tab 13:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

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^< ^< ^< ^< Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

you seem to forget that normal pvp tactics shields are soooo ugly compared to pvp command shields. Brandnew. 12:44, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

with a/w you can bluff being palm strike at the stand vs baddies! also, get a pve shield, looking good on obs is far more important than actually being good. Tab 12:45, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

It's true, definitely works for me ;o --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 20:22, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

i have to agree Hydra 20:52, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

especially when you're running me/mo fc woh infuse. --Mafaraxas 22:31, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Build:P/any_Powagon

About my vote removal. Someone edited the build by removing the note that the build it is designed to run with other paragons where atleast one plays Imbagon and it is in no way run alone (Imbagon will always be no1 in PvE no point in making a replacement). As for no point of running two paragons Finale of Restoration benefits from all shouts if thrown on the Imbagon it provides a pretty great protection in terms of healing and that is useful since he is the most vunerable player. E-man provided is decent maybe not as great as running a BiP, but its less vunerable also it has some damage and can join in spikes.--√iktor(contribs) 14:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, VIktor. Thought I'd give you a little insight into PvX and paragons. For general PvE, our site is incredibly biased against any build but the Imbagon. That's mainly due to the fact that pretty much every other paragon build is inferior to an Imbagon and most people don't run paragons for damage (and probably shouldn't). Also, most people here will point out that running another paragon even in addition to a paragon in a team is a wasted space.

Basically, people will say that the Powagon build is inferior to running a BiP for energy, a warrior for pressure (aiding in spikes), Imbagon for defense, and a monk or other healer for protection/healing. So, I'm sorry to say that the Powagon build will most likely not get vetted; however, if you're the build author just keep trying. You never know what you might come up with, so enjoy your time here. 15:16, 30 March 2009

I know, I've been here a while. However I believe you are wrong when it comes to the enjoyment part, I enjoy watching this flow of hate. For the people that haven't noticed this page is not ruled by democracy its ruled by the one mod or build master that can shout loudest, they could replace the voting system by a binary one where only mods may vote, approve and disapprove, since its all too often its either 1-1-0 or 5-5-5. If mods/BM find votes not similar to his own opinion he or she removes it (because people are not entitled to their opinion if it COULD be wrong since that would leave the doors open to trolling). In this particular case I guess I'm partly to blame, I should have put it in a complete team build, my laziness gets the better of me all too often. But as always mods/build masters are right, paragons suck and will always do, nothing can make them viable ever exception for the Imbagon of course (Not that I care that much it wont prevent me from playing this, while some people may be laughing at me for playing it I'll be laughing right back at them for doing so successfully).--√iktor(contribs) 16:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I was going to care and be reasonable. I won't now that you've done the stereotypical baddie rant. Have a nice day. Tab 16:32, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Basically what VIktor is trying to say is, Crow is good, Tab is good. --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 16:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

caragFrostytheAdmin 16:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Carafag :> --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 16:50, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

God I love this page... The irony it gets me every time. I have yet to see the day when a mod/BM actually cared. All I really ever wanted was for the ones who voted to give a reasonable explanation to their low votes other than you don't run more than one para because I think it's bad argument, I wanted a discussion why its bad or at least a reference to such discussion. I didn't request for any vote removals, I just wanted the votes reasoning to be better you could reinstate Guild of Deals vote and I think you should he actually bothered to have his say. Removing votes shouldn't be done before you reach a consensus in the discussion or if its beyond obvious that it is a troll. Everyone should be entitled to their vote even if it too low or too high as long as their reasoning supports it. But then again on the other hand its more fun this way where ppl don't give a ****.--√iktor(contribs) 17:01, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Basically, why would you take your powagon when you could have either a) an HB monk (if you don't have one already), b) an ele or cryer for some massive AoE, or c) a physical for big damage? -- Star of Exile talk  17:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Editing your own cussing is for pussies. Btw, your build sucks. I tried to be nice, but you're obviously a ignorant douche. Good day sir. 17:05, 30 March 2009

I guess I overreacted a bit, I have had quite a few of my builds unfavored in the past, sorry about that. As a last comment I would like to say that a reform of the voting system all together would be beneficial for this site, let mods and BMs be the only ones who are allowed to vote that way you don't have to remove any votes.--√iktor(contribs)

PvXwiki_talk:Real_Vetting -- Star of Exile talk  20:59, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, you're dumb. I'd post my usual response, but there's a limit to the amount of times I'm willing to explain things to butthurt baddies. Have a nice day. Tab 21:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Last comment wasn't build related I've already accepted it as unfavourable, it was ment to be more of an apology. Ok last bit about the vote reform was a bit off topic. However if it were that way I would not have posted any of this to begin with since I wouldn't have had my vote removed due to that I would not have been able to cast it in the first place and you wouldn't have had to read any of my nonsense. Hope you have a nice day too.--√iktor(contribs) 21:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Your vote reform suggestion was quite possibly the most fucking stupid suggestion for PvX I have ever heard, in all seriousness. Have a nice day. --☭Guild*talk* 21:34, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow, everyone but Tab is gonna get banned if the NPA doesn't stop. ~ Big sysop 01:59, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't know, I think a vetting system that removes Guild of Deals' right to vote can't be all bad. Misery Says Moo 14:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) tl; dr. Victor, you probably should realize, if u havent already that is, that PvX has four basic guidelines. If a build has been 5-5'd or 1-1'd by at least 2 BMs who arent troll voting, generally you should listen to them. Second, builds that BMs care about will most likely fall in the category they want them to go in. Third, most users will sit by and watch as the higher up admins and BMs laugh at them while shitting on all their builds. Most importantly, you should probably remember that BMs dont give a crap about anything you or the rest of us want, as most of them are trolls anyway. :3 So victor, accept it or gtfo. 22:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Please get your crap THEORYCRAFTING to GUILD WARS GURU this site is for storing META not random shit theorycrafts. --Anonimous. D: 23:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I know that and that there is a problem with commenting something when you haven't read it all. I said that accepted it and I did apologised for overreacting, I see no reason to keep discussing this.--√iktor(contribs) 08:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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Why the fuck was it ever vetted Great (later good) as a gank bar? --Shazzydiddles 23:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

...It was never rated Great or even Good. It hasn't ever been vetted. What are you huffing? --☭Guild*talk* 00:06, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Moeb Breeze. --Shazzydiddles 01:07, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Cause other metas were horrible at the time, the idea "seemed" good, and golden, rawr, and ska werent BMs yet and tab didnt care enough. 04:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Tabbles

I have a present for you.

Please read the site's policies. While the object of voting is to gather the opinion of the user base on how good a build is, that does not mean that opinions based on fallacy are going to be kept. Why did I keep ratings close to mine? Because that's the range of votes that is suitable for the build. Of course I'm not going to leave a 5-5-5 vote on it when it's nowhere near 5-5-5 good. In voting, the other BMs and I try to tolerate a certain range of scoring and reasoning, however we will remove votes based on false reasoning and scores that are considerably over- or under-rating the build's effectiveness.

I copypasta'd it from an archive and fixed it up nice and neat. I figured it might assist you in your duties. 128.255.195.88 08:02, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Seriously

Try and atleast explain to one newb on the site how to play the game, you're a fking bm--Relyk 09:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

vote on Build:Rt/Mo HA Mending

you should know better than to walloftext vote on any build, even if it's going to be well'd -Auron 02:56, 2 April 2009 (UTC) Bold text

dear tab

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ITquW_unkI moo --Mafaraxas 21:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I've struck gold

http://www.fwdfish.com/content/chimpanzee-playing-white-cubs

skakid9090 20:06, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

:>

Ohey

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Gud games r fun!--Goldenstar 20:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

sig test

Have I succeeded in making an even more obnoxious sig than Angelus'? Tab 13:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd definately say so, yes. Spaggage talk 13:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

while i don't care if you make an annoying sig to prove it can be done, you should at least sign with a proper sig (i.e. one that follows PvX:SIGN). ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 14:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

You...

...are terrible [24], please explain past your stupid actions - cant see past a jokey name? Athrun Feya [agro] 14:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Who the fuck are you? Tivg. --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 15:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've made or contributed to most of the meta PvE team builds over the last year and a half, not that anyone cares with the rediculous pvp bias on this site Athrun Feya [agro] 15:36, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Well GW was meant to be a PvP game, although that's failed but still, obviously there is going to be more focus on PvP. --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 15:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I dont mind the site having a greater focus towards PvP - especially considering the much quicker meta shift. I do have a problem with people being extremely biased, specifically PvPers on this site who, just because they can "win" PvE think they're great at it. This has been said before, but the idea isnt to "win" in PvE, its to do it as fast and effectively as possible. I'm fed up of being whoru'd by the circlejerks. Athrun Feya [agro] 15:58, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

whoru — μαφλεσ 16:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Cute Athrun Feya [agro] 16:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, there aren't really any PvPers on this site apart from like 2/3. PvP isn't just playing HA for 6 fame runs or r800 GvG, which is what most of the people on this site are doing. And tbh, if a group of actual PvPers took PvE seriously, they could probably clear it faster than the majority of "pro" PvE guilds/teams. --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 16:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The average group of PvPers could probably beat "pro" PvE guild, given the same time investment into builds and tactics (which would debatably not make them pure pvpers anymore...) because a lot of the "pro" PvE guilds are actually full of shitters (i suppose you dont fill out a 100 man guild any other way). However, this makes some believe that this is the case for all PvErs, which it isn't. A lot of "pro" PvE guilds just pick a build off wiki (perhaps edited slightly) and "win" an elite area with it, I agree that these people are terrible. However, someone somewhere has to have made those builds and tactics in the first place - that's the real art of pve. Athrun Feya [agro] 16:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

lol, i didnt even look at the build tbh. this is exactly why i removed the votes Have I succeeded in making an even more obnoxious sig than Angelus'? Tab 16:39, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

<3333333 17:25, 6 July 2009

Less dicking around tab. Pve is serious buisness for some of us, even if it's not challenging in the slightest in gw. My Soles ^{Are Bad} 17:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

lolpve. ···  17:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

^ -- 00:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

obnoxious sig mk2

^τα_β h^αv _οβ^ηο_χι^σμ_s s^ιg _ιο^ι o^_^o¸«` 13:41, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

lol is my sig obnoxious? i saw my name in one of your blinking sigs. --^Angelus  _Everton  19:45, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

getting less obnoxious, theres hope for you yet! ^τα_β h^αv _οβ^ηο_χι^σμ_s s^ιg _ιο^ι o^_^o¸«` 23:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

is it because you hate everton? --Angelus  _Everton  03:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

no, its because theyre obnoxious ^τα_β h^αv _οβ^ηο_χι^σμ_s s^ιg _ιο^ι o^_^o¸«` 10:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

which of you niggers is definition of spike

^τα_β h^αv _οβ^ηο_χι^σμ_s s^ιg _ιο^ι o^_^o¸«` 16:44, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Dearest Tabblemoos

I have not forgotten you, or our late night bohemian rhapsody sessions on vent. i have just become inactive as of late due to the fact of realizing that GW is dead and boring, and there are funner things to do, such as masturbate.With Love, Rhysslemoo <3 - GuildWarsSrsBsns 17:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

i dont play either, but you should still sing for me! ^τα_β h^αv _οβ^ηο_χι^σμ_s s^ιg _ιο^ι o^_^o¸«` 23:29, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Dear Tab

Come on MSN sometime.
Sincerely, —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 17:36, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

PS. po

P.P.S. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 14:01, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

moo

attn pvxers

has gw stopped sucking yet? unlikely, but you never know!

no, don't bother coming back. Brandnew 19:25, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

help

what sites sell textbooks cheaper than amazon

half.com (subsidiary of ebay i think). also, ebay. but you get alot of people there selling international versions of textbooks. there's also probably people at your university who would be selling their copies of the textbook back to the local bookstore for 5 pounds (or something else ridiculously cheap), and would probably be willing to sell it to you instead for a bit more (but still much less than retail/amazon). — μαφλεσ 18:29, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

i decided to be lazy and amazon a brand new set, its my mums money after all ^__^

On the first Full Moon of 2011 <3 --Frosty Mc Admin 17:28, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

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Cute McDuckling

--TahiriVeila 18:58, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

"< "< "< "< *< --Frosty 19:30, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Turret Ranger

Re: Build:R/any Marksman's Turret. Why did you remove the rating by Master Elrond? He was the only other person to rate the build yet who has actually tested it at all. Could you re-instate his rating please? Thank you for your time.

Tab removed the vote because Master Elrond is an "octuple nigger." I figured that was fairly obvious. ··· Danny Pew Pew 21:56, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

herro

— μαφλεσ 19:12, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

— μαφλεσ 07:31, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

that's one of the cutest things i've ever seen--TahiriVeila 06:19, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

You've never seen anything this cute

--TahiriVeila 04:42, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

msn moar fgt

^--TahiriVeila 20:47, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

tsc --Frosty 04:48, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Terran 05:23, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

IHnsc--TahiriVeila 05:45, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

TVnsc :< Terran 05:50, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

d, jsvc--TahiriVeila 07:04, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

i could only get out: deny, (j?) so very cute ;o Terran 07:10, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

and now i go sleep since its past 8 am! Terran 07:11, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Jake. --Chaos -- 08:49, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

http://www.zooborns.com/.a/6a010535647bf3970b0120a63c6929970c-800wi

dear pvx

http://www.youtube.com/user/hitmanbreakeroftheye#p/u/14/DNDkcdyJpec

this is brand new information!

saw this guy a while ago. did you watch the one where he sings Party In The USA by Miley? his voice........ O.o --Angelus 23:57, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Dude you found khang's youtube page? :< --TahiriVeila 01:45, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

because i love you

http://thedesigninspiration.com/articles/70-cutie-baby-animals-bring-your-a-good-mood/ --TahiriVeila 01:53, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

moo skakid9090 20:34, February 18, 2010 (UTC) --TahiriVeila 14:07, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

http://shechive.com/2010/03/09/panda-club-sign-me-up-6-photos/

http://shechive.com/2010/02/04/attempted-panda-escape-8-photos/

WARNING:Second link is dangerously cute. Misery 09:00, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

TAB!

Ohai. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 14:40, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

sup unexist. still black? Tab 16:11, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

nig --Crow 17:00, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

No I had a MJ makeover. Now i can die with honor all over zeh world too! —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 21:33, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

tsk
tsg
tsc
Frosty 15:25, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

tab so powerful. Misery 13:02, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Double Nigger

http://morph.cs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Transformer/

Use the nig effect on nigs to create a double nig. skakid9090 00:40, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

that is amazing. here is a transformation from 100% ape to 50%

C:\PvX>Abort, Retry, Panic? 13:59, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

tab the swift :< skakid9090

Prinplup

We know Prinplup is a cool pkmn, but can you PLEASE STOP with what you're doing --'

bad troll. — Maf so rational. 02:42, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

:>

—ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 02:45, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

panic is cute

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